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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- For once a serious episode with no comedy or retarded situations. As a drama, though, I think it failed. I think having the episode centered on Hikaru is probably why it failed for me, as I've always liked Madoka much more. As a side note, I thought Madoka looked pretty cool in that jacket. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: I think having the episode centered on Hikaru is probably why it failed for me This. Why was a plot device playing the role of female lead, with Madoka on the sidelines and seemingly not that bothered? The tone of this episode, as well as the direction, was... jarring. It went from a feel good rom-com to deadly serious, with poor attempts at being stylish - random words appearing and an image montage. It didn't feel like a KOR episode, at all, and was probably the worst episode in the entire series. Also, I noticed that Kyosuke in particular looked older/taller in this episode. It's probably safe to say him being 17/18 in the manga and 15/16 in the anime is to blame. I hope the next episode is better, and focuses on Madoka... |
| This episode was somewhat different from rest of the show. I'd say it was more mature or serious. Sent with Mal Updater |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| Lol Hikaru deserved it, I mean did she did force him to love her. The truth is nothing really did happen |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| This episode was pretty scary, quite a lot of drama from out of nowhere, I thought it would turn to a bad end. Some scenes remembered me Evangelion ... |
 “Read as little as possible of critical or aesthetic works. They are either products of a close-minded spirit, petrified and devoid of meaning in their lifeless hardening, or clever verbal games [...]. Works of art are of an infinite solitude; nothing is worse than criticism for approaching them. Only love can grasp them, keep them, be just toward them. Always give precedence to your own feeling against these analyses, these reviews, these introductions. [...] You must let every impression, every seed of feeling, ripen within you, in the dark, in the inexpressible, in the unconscious, those regions closed to understanding. Wait with humility and patience for the hour of the birth of a new clarity. Art demands of its faithful followers as much as of its creators.” — RAINER-MARIA Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet (letter dated April 23, 1903). |
| holy shit what the fuck was with this ep it was as if a less intellectual oshii mamoru directed it i thought that hikaru would finally have learned about kyousuke's powers (and madoka in turn) but NO NO ONE QUESTIONED SQUAT nice attempt at doing the trippy shit lain and boogiepop successfully accomplished later on, but oshii coulda done it right if he directed it #kthxbye #frfr |
| Hikaru's is one of those character that her entire existence in the anime is to create an hindrance toward the advancement of Kyosuke/Madoka romantic development. The love triangle doesn't work because she never have the chance in the first place. |
| Why did Kyosuke take an entire drum kit to the beach, and throw it all in the sand? Was that really necessary? |
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| What's up with this episode? It feels like a rollercoaster and not a fun one. First they randomly form a band because of Hikari, then old characters return only for it to get super fucking serious. He stays over and I don't know if he actually did sleep with that girl or not, they are indicating it but he claims nothing happened. Moreover Hikari's mental state gets a 180 degree turn every episode just like this one but on an extremel level Then Kasuga teleports with an entire drumset and no one questions the drum set being on the beach???? What??? Just felt really weird and I don't get why they opted to do it like this. |
| I think he did. There is a thing in japan where sex with condoms isn’t really having sex or something weird like that. Even if they didn’t, he still messed around with her. that’s cheating no matter which way you put it. I think it’s about demonstrating his flaws. Where he cheats and lies about, and hikaru accepts the lie because it’s easier than reality. If I’m not mistaken the music competition is being held on the beach. Just on a stage. and what not. |
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Username23489023 said: But it's not even mentioned afterwards once, like what was the point of this episode? I think he did. There is a thing in japan where sex with condoms isn’t really having sex or something weird like that. Even if they didn’t, he still messed around with her. that’s cheating no matter which way you put it. I think it’s about demonstrating his flaws. Where he cheats and lies about, and hikaru accepts the lie because it’s easier than reality. If I’m not mistaken the music competition is being held on the beach. Just on a stage. and what not. Was their thought process like "Alright we gotta make him flawed so let's have him fool around with a girl, make the episode super dramatic" only to not mention it again after the episode. I'm annoyed lol This episode just feels so random and out of place, only showcasting all the flaws this show has in a single episode. Nonetheless I still enjoyed the show in itself, watching the movie sequels right now. |
Salva252 said: But it's not even mentioned afterwards once, like what was the point of this episode? Was their thought process like "Alright we gotta make him flawed so let's have him fool around with a girl, make the episode super dramatic" only to not mention it again after the episode. I'm annoyed lol This episode just feels so random and out of place, only showcasting all the flaws this show has in a single episode. Nonetheless I still enjoyed the show in itself, watching the movie sequels right now. Well if I got caught cheating, I wouldn’t bring it up ever again. Madoka wont bring it up because she was slutting around before meeting him. Honestly, he could have totally destroyed her for shaming him just by bringing that up. But, you know, stay classy. Hikaru wont bring it up because she’s living in lala land. |
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Username23489023 said: Yeah true, also one of my gripes with this show was how fast Madoka turned around from female delinquent student to not wanting to talk to Kasuga to a nice girl that likes him. Salva252 said: But it's not even mentioned afterwards once, like what was the point of this episode? Was their thought process like "Alright we gotta make him flawed so let's have him fool around with a girl, make the episode super dramatic" only to not mention it again after the episode. I'm annoyed lol This episode just feels so random and out of place, only showcasting all the flaws this show has in a single episode. Nonetheless I still enjoyed the show in itself, watching the movie sequels right now. Well if I got caught cheating, I wouldn’t bring it up ever again. Madoka wont bring it up because she was slutting around before meeting him. Honestly, he could have totally destroyed her for shaming him just by bringing that up. But, you know, stay classy. Hikaru wont bring it up because she’s living in lala land. But a user already mentioned in the manga it happends more naturally so I guess I'll have to read that to get the full experience. |
Salva252 said: Yeah true, also one of my gripes with this show was how fast Madoka turned around from female delinquent student to not wanting to talk to Kasuga to a nice girl that likes him. But a user already mentioned in the manga it happends more naturally so I guess I'll have to read that to get the full experience. They should have had an episode about when she realized he’s her chance to get back into society, and she debates her future. Then decides the path with him in her life would be the most fulfilling for her. Would be hard to do though, her not being the main character, and us not knowing her thoughts. Especially with her tsundere character not allowing her to share her feelings with others. One of those difficult things to learn through context, especially when anime has such a young audience who do not have the life experiences to realize whats happening and just accept them at face value. |
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Username23489023 said: Well she was a huge central focus in the show and the love interest of the MC, they should have given her an episode like you described. Especially when we know the show has a lot of episodic episodes with random plots that don't push the story forward. They should have just swaped one of those out and put one like you described in.Salva252 said: Yeah true, also one of my gripes with this show was how fast Madoka turned around from female delinquent student to not wanting to talk to Kasuga to a nice girl that likes him. But a user already mentioned in the manga it happends more naturally so I guess I'll have to read that to get the full experience. They should have had an episode about when she realized he’s her chance to get back into society, and she debates her future. Then decides the path with him in her life would be the most fulfilling for her. Would be hard to do though, her not being the main character, and us not knowing her thoughts. Especially with her tsundere character not allowing her to share her feelings with others. One of those difficult things to learn through context, especially when anime has such a young audience who do not have the life experiences to realize whats happening and just accept them at face value. Apparently the manga deals with this more naturally so there is that. Moreover the characters are older from the beginning so they are more mature, so It would probably be more easy for the writer to write something that helps her be turned around since the show has a mature feel. |
| @Salva252 You might be disappointed. What was done: essentially the idea that the furyô/yankee attitude was a mere façade because of what was/is going on with her family. (I simplify a bit) The thing is that Madoka not being a "bad girl" was a change submitted by the editor who was handling the mangaka at that time, not an idea of the author himself. (though he ended up thanking his editor a lot since Ayukawa became this extremely popular female character that was one of the strongest "appeals" of the series and later its anime) As for the anime, it wasn't structured like a story, mor elike the diary of those youngs: it's more or less taking place in real time (that's why they altered birth dates) for the initial broadcast and allows itself to pick chapters taking place during any school year told in the manga while adding all those cinema elements. That's probably the reason why they didn't even bother using an early episode entirely focused on the "switch". (though, I think I remember that there was a "turning-point" episode after wich she became really friendly) @Salva252 Sorry, I can't answer in details like this because I read it a long time ago, and I sadly missed the "uncensored"/better translation that was printed a few years ago in limited stocks -_- in France (and now of course rarely sold, and only for far too much money). I do remember understanding that the way most school "comrades" saw her was mostly a result of her behaviour (lack of relationships inside the school for example) and rumours more than based on facts. Sorry for not being able to help more. I wrote that the manga stretched out Kyôsuke's game with the girls too much but if you get the chance to read it, you can still try. ^^ There are a bunch of good stand alone stories left inside (though, some of them have been animated into OAVs i you're interested ;) ), more characters (notably, Kyôsuke's ESPer cousine). On the other hand, you shouldn't expect Akemi Takada's nicely round designs. |
Rei_IIIOct 29, 2017 12:05 PM
Rei366 said: @Salva252 You might be disappointed. What was done: essentially the idea that the furyô/yankee attitude was a mere façade because of what was/is going on with her family. (I simplify a bit) The thing is that Madoka not being a "bad girl" was a change submitted by the editor who was handling the mangaka at that time, not an idea of the author himself. (though he ended up thanking his editor a lot since Ayukawa became this extremely popular female character that was one of the strongest "appeals" of the series and later its anime) As for the anime, it wasn't structured like a story, mor elike the diary of those youngs: it's more or less taking place in real time (that's why they altered birth dates) for the initial broadcast and allows itself to pick chapters taking place during any school year told in the manga while adding all those cinema elements. That's probably the reason why they didn't even bother using an early episode entirely focused on the "switch". (though, I think I remember that there was a "turning-point" episode after wich she became really friendly) Alright thanks for the info. Since it was a facade did she actually do slutty shit like is implied when Kasuga wasn't around, like while she was in her mid yankee attitude? Or was that also an asumption people had of her that wasn't true? And I'm actually really glad Ayukawa did turn out the way she did being a actually nice girl that wasn't really a delinquent. Just the way it was handled felt a bit underwhelming for me, but thank god for that editor I guess. |
| Agreed about this being one of the best episodes in terms of tone. I wish there more like it. |
| It was a really different episode fr fr |
| What the hell was this episode? Might would've worked as standalone, but damn, considering what happened so far it was hard to get into it, even taking into account that this is a series that didn't give a single fuck about continuity. Because let's be real, there were more troublesome misunderstandings where Hikaru didn't bat an eye lol. Well, if not anything else, it was a nice change of pace. And as someone mentioned above, it's still in style with this series that's going for different approaches once in a while. Like the Godzilla parody for example, that said and like mentioned above, it didn't work for me. Not hating the episode, I'm just kinda perplexed right now. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| @FMmatron It's not only about Hikaru, right ? You won't be invited to someone's domicile in Japan (it's not only due to a lack of space, it's "mentality"). It might be less prominent of an attitude today than it was in the 80s but it's still present: the students in my japanese evening classes interested in the linguistic travel were even warned last year about the difficulty it creates for such events (requiring very specific "opened" families). I'm not even talking about peoples from opposed sex. So, a ♂ staying for the night at a ♀ was far from negligible. I understand that it can seem false or be disorienting when you are accustomed to animated fantasy Japan though. Yes, it 's an original episode, like the TOP GUN parody. It's interesting to see Kyôsuke so "ignored" and reacting to it. And for him and Yukari to end up as"the forgotten ones" who lost to music/passion in the minds of Ayukawa peoples. ^^ Another important stylistic choice is the departure from the usual point of view: you get from Kyösuke only what you see, an interesting move. The clip-like aesthetic at the end was great. Plenty of things to discuss here but it would require a new viewing for me and peoples interested to take part in such low occupations xD Note: it seems to get "bad press" here but it was very welcomed in Japan (not sure if it got some nomination) and France bavk then. |
Rei_IIIApr 6, 2020 5:28 AM
| Yeah, this one was a very solid departure from everything we had before, and in some way, it managed to be entertaining and quite interesting to watch. Also, bringing back Yukari to the show was a win, I love that character. Now, on the other side, I don't think it fails in any aspect other than maybe being too melodramatic with the whole Yukari situation when we all know it could easily have been solved by Kyosuke being straight to Hikaru, and more Yukari screentime for both her and Kyosuke to explain themselves. Although thinking about it, maybe Kyosuke was fantasizing about losing Hikaru's interest so he could be with other people (*cough* Madoka), and maybe that's why Kyosuke was acting tough and Kazuya was shocked by his thoughts (since this would imply that Kasuga is willing to do anything just to get away from Hikaru), but I don't think the episode is clear enough to tell us that, so it shall remain as a theory (a film theory if I may say so). Overall it was a very good and remarkable episode in its own way. 8/10 |
| This episode was controversial, it tries to take the anime to a new pace with a more serious vibe. While he fails in trying to show Kyousuke mature both physically and mentally, I thought the anime would finally end Kyousuke's relationship with Hikaru and move forward with a greater focus on Madoka, but at the same time he tries to change something in the story he ( the anime) goes back, and I get the impression that what I just watched for 24 minutes was a pure waste of time. |
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| Kyosuke you dumbass. You think you can just stay the night over at an older woman's house alone and expect no consequences?! This episode was so... strange. I can't find words to say other than it was avant garde. It's nothing like contemporary KOR episodes. I thought since this thread has 33 posts (which is more than the final episode's) I thought there is going to be a major story development like Kyosuke confessing to either one of the main girls or his powers getting discovered by them. Instead I'm met with controversy with multiple posts or responses by the same users. Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining. I'm just saying this whole thing surrounding episode 43 was a big surprise for me. Only 5 episodes left. These better be good. |
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| I thought it also failed as a comedy. Turns out the show is much worse when it also tries to force a freaking drama. |
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| Did not expect to stumble upon a GODLIKE episode in a show which has been for many many episodes just a nostalgic simple pleasure for me EVERYTHING WAS ON PERCOCET ENHANCED POINT WATCHING THIS ON DRUGS ON ACCIDENT WAS AN AMAZING IDEA I GET WHY MFS IN THE 90S WERE OBSESSED W THIS SHOW !!! I GET IT NOW !!! |
| DORAMA 100% Wowwww what a very mature episode. |
| This is way too dramatic than the usual KOR episodes. The misunderstanding is too drawn out. This is where anybody who dislikes Hikaru can get really annoyed as Hikaru displays her weaknesses / annoying traits. She signed up for the band without seeking Kasuga's consent. She did not even listen to Kasuga's explanation and run away petulantly. Anyway, I like the animation in this particular episode. It's elevated. Too bad Kasuga just saw her in towel. No funny scene. Next episode, another body switch. Kazuya switched so he won't experience going to the dentist. But Kasuga in Kazuya's body might see Madoka naked. lol but it might be misleading as usual eta: The text cards remind me of Evangelion and Bakemonogatari before it was a thing. |
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