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| Isn't Truth a humanoid Secret? They're showing the same Secret Eureka defeated in the past in the OP while they're showing Truth and that would explain why he hates Eureka. Also, I don't think Eureka meant that he wants Naru to help Ao destroy the Scub Coral. It felt more like she was asking Naru to stop him, thus saving him. |
All i'm interested in is figuring out wtf happened to this nirvash and where it came from  Also I wonder why there weren't any secrets in the original series if they are still on the same earth |
Momoko11 said: I would agree with the tanning thing, but in episode 11 when they show Elena younger she is still way darker than Eureka. http://animetide.blogspot.com/2012/07/eureka-seven-ao-episode-11.html?m=1 Just thinking. Sense her skin is darker. Maybe she is the kid of Moondoggie and Gidget? I never thought of that, that's a good possibility as she does look quite like Gidget but I think the story would be a lot more exciting if it was Dominic & Anemone's child :P |
| I didn't like the first opening and same goes for second. But finally we can see Renton in opening. He looks like a mad scientist... and the rest  |
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s2012k1993 said: Naru: Ao, I wanted to fly together with you, not embraced by you. Go Naru, fight for the feminist movement! Jokes aside, the episode was the culmination of epic side character development. Nakamura changes from the naive and death-fearing soldier to a master manipulator. The people of Okanawa redeem themselves by blindly throwing themselves at Nakamura to stop the shooting of Ao. Ivica never provokes others into retaliating against the Japanese, just slams his fists into the desk when he hears about the capture of Ao. The president, Blanc , remains nonchalant as he always is. The side characters make E7 Ao enjoyable for me. As for the main characters, Ao, Elena, Naru and Truth, they have gone beyond my comprehension. Naru has a dream of Ao sleeping inside a Scub Coral, while we are given explicit proof that Ao is Eureka's child. Naru claims to understand Truth, almost as if she transcended Truth's truth and Eureka's truth. Elena flips out. Truth is flabbergasted in seeing Eureka's Nirvash try to kill him. Ao is probably the most normal of the four. He is just plainly confused by the other three freaks. It's a mystery and like any mystery, we, the audience, is left confused. I think Gazelle despite not having much screen time this episode was also handled well. It added some depth to the character as he was willing to let go of Eureka with at least physically not much protest (from previous episodes Gazelle has shown that he's not discreet with his emotions so I think it's safe to assume if he seems at peace physically mentally is likewise). He realised that following his objective of seeing the truth with his own eyes was at the expense of Ao and possibly others in the future so he let Ao have his way. In other words his objective doesn't define his character rather his character is refined by it. In addition this episode was also consistent with Gazelle's perhaps subtle trait of being sensitive to the feelings of others. I was certain that it was Eureka not Ao in the scub coral as the figure seems to have been an adolescent sized body and seems feminine i.e. the eyelashes or choice of posture and it has turquoise hair (Ao didn't have any till he first piloted the Mark 1) . I think it's Eureka as it could possibly explain the connection between Naru and Eureka as it appears that Naru had a hand in creating Eureka. Naru I think is consistent with the opinion I had of her when she said earlier in the series that Ao was useless without her. I'm not saying that Ao is useless but that Naru character embodies some mature or perhaps motherly traits. For example when Ao left Okinawa she said something along lines of "this is all I can do for you." Furthermore in episode 14 I got the impression from the scene with the two on top of the hospital that Naru is the more settled and wise of the two. She was also consistent in that she's generally reserved even when crying. As for thinking that she knows what truth is, I see it as showing the conceited part of her character as given what she saw most people could up with decent a hypothesis as to what truth is. Though I think I understand where you're coming from she does appear to have reached "enlightenment" and her stoic countenance and monotone voice definitely helps. However I think she appears so thanks to the combination of being reserved and having access to valuable information. On side note what does everyone think of the religious symbolism (if you think it exists) with Naru like her change in clothing or her posture when calling the coral (was it?). I have a couple ideas about Elena but she really is a mystery. Though I like how they focused on the reactions of each of the characters and groups to the plan for Eureka's departure it made for me Ao's sacrifice more poignant. I'm not sure about Truth but I did enjoy to see him struggling for a change it makes him more palatable. |
terribadJul 20, 2012 4:27 AM
bastek66 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- New OP by Flow at last. Renton will be back Wow looks like Renton is grown up can't wait to see him Anyway it's already14 episode and I still don't really have a clue with what's going on with the story,and what's up with Naru she grew a horn or something and why the hell is she still with that guy !? |
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| After comparing the two OP's and ED's, I am really getting an impression that Naru's role was completely changed from lead's love interest into a villain(ous sister). Anyone else feel like that? Rayizrambo said: Honestly, they are making Naru out to be the bad guy with her actions. But this makes it all the more reason to think that shes actually a good guy because they might be trying draw you away from her being good for a future twist~ Ao should've went with her. Also, why do you think despite Ao's rebelliance toward Truth he would still allow Ao to join him. [If he joins Naru, then he's basically teaming up with Truth to.] I honestly can't imagine Naru and Ao joining up. Ao is protective of humans while Naru doesn't seem to give much shit about humans being slaughtered... and will no doubt increase the death count. Her opposition to Eureka also doesn't paint her into protagonist colors either. I am not saying her goal will necessarily be bad, but somehow I think her methods will be too radical for Ao to accept. |
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| Eureka said something about the risk of being pregnant in an environment with high trapar concentration, may sound stupid but what if it caused a gender change? To be honest, the older sister came out of nowhere although it seems possible that either Elena or Naru could be Ao's sister and it looks like the grandpa knows something about it. Naru is a bitch, Ao knows shit about what's going on and and she wants him to decide while he can't grasp the situation. triforcebih said: AdolChristin said: did we watch the same episode ?How do Truth and Naru have the typeZero now? Didn't Truth started destroying it while falling, and didn't it go back with Eureka in its half-destroyed form? and also lol at people who cant make out the difference between MK I and Zero It's a legitimate question, smartass. |
| so many thing comes in this episode! begin to love this anime!! :) |
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| Naru must die >.> Ao X Fleur !! |
| OMG THAT'S RENTON RIGHT? He looks amazing in the OP! Just what Naru, Truth and Elena are? And give me back the previous ED. |
KuriniJul 20, 2012 6:49 AM
| I don't think the secrets are the "natural defense mechanism" as the one so claims to be. The secret that they conveniently "captured" looked a lot like Truth's secret form Eureka destroyed years before the series began. So who's to say that Truth isn't controlling what the head is saying so that way he has an excuse for the nations to fight Generation Bleu and make them out to look like enemies. As Generation Bleu and Eureka are the only threats to Truth worth considering. As for Naru, i think she has disdain for Eureka because of something that we haven't been shown yet. In example, if Eureka wanted to leave this timeline and take Ao with her after dealing with everything. Naru could hold ill will towards Eureka for that. It's just a thought though.....There could be a number of reasons as to why. |
the_trainman said: s2012k1993 said: Naru has a dream of Ao sleeping inside a Scub Coral, while we are given explicit proof that Ao is Eureka's child. I think that was Eureka in the Scub Coral, that was her 'birth' scene from the original series, again I *think*. It is Eureka, since it was a female body. |
| Lol. I think its obvious BONES want us to hate Naru now. I mean, swiping at the hologram of Eureka is like punching a puppy in the mouth. PUPPY MURDERER NARU!?!?! Sorry, got a bit carried away there :P |
| At first I was thinking that Naru was supposed to be the love interest but seems now she might turn out to be Ao's sister. Tbh I dont want her to be the love interest anymore starting to dislike Naru a lot. Actually there hasn't been much romance in this like E7 did. I think that the broken down Nirvash was being piloted by Renton. Eureka did say Renton is out there fighting. So maybe this is the damage that has been done whilst he was fighting. Kinda makes you wonder what the hell he was fighting to cause that much damage. Didn't like the way Naru swiped Eureka off the screen. Perhaps Naru dislikes like Eureka because she was abandoned just like how Ao felt about Renton because he thought Renton abandoned Eureka. Awesome episode though still confusing. |
Ilocanos said: I dont think Renton is growing white hair... i want to say that is a flower. like Eureka's hairpin I actually thought the same... I mean it looks stands out and I don't think Bones would make a large portion of his hair soloely white / gray/ |
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Ilocanos said: I dont think Renton is growing white hair... i want to say that is a flower. like Eureka's hairpin What? So a grown man is wearing a flower pin now? If he was not sissy enough that will make him engulfed in flames followed by his stripper gloves. I think Renton will be like Adroc Thirstin was in the flash back where he said nothing and someone else did all the talking. Considering how much Ao despises him, I wouldn't think it would be a pleasant conversation. Naru is what I expected her to be.....a delusional female character with nothing going for her but tagging along the bad guy. I expect a tear scene, with some cliche love lines by Ao to change her back on the right side. |
| How come no one has mentioned the frame-by-frame recreation of the iconic scnene from E7 when Eureka is falling, and Renton (now Ao) reaches out for her from Nirvash? Not gonna lie, when I saw that.. kinda drooled |
Tekky99 said: How come no one has mentioned the frame-by-frame recreation of the iconic scnene from E7 when Eureka is falling, and Renton (now Ao) reaches out for her from Nirvash? Not gonna lie, when I saw that.. kinda drooled Haha that was an awesome scene. Gotta admit that scene from episode 26 in the original Eureka Seven is still great. |
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Darkdrone said: Ilocanos said: Naru is what I expected her to be.....a delusional female character with nothing going for her but tagging along the bad guy. I expect a tear scene, with some cliche love lines by Ao to change her back on the right side. I definitely agree. Its always those scenes man... always. I hope Renton actually talks and doesnt pull the Adroc. |
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| Pretty good episode, despite the continued barrage of mysteries. I absolutely loved seeing Renton in the OP. I can't wait until he's finally brought into the fold of the story. I highly doubt he will be used in a similar fashion as Adroc in E7, considering Renton seems to have a much, much more important role in this show than Adroc ever did in the previous one. I'm expecting that he will be participating extensively toward the end of the series. As for the episode itself, despite the mindfuck nature of it, I found it rather enjoyable. I'm just hoping they'll be able to tie all of these various threads together in a satisfying way for the conclusion of the series. Obviously, as someone previously pointed out, Eureka needs to have a happy ending with Renton, considering the extremely numerous obstacles they had to overcome in E7. If the entire tone and message of the ending to the previous series were to be thrown away in order to satisfy the conclusion of this one, I'd be considerably pissed and disappointed, and would immediately consider this non-canon. Fortunately, I don't see much chance of that happening. The characters of the current series remain quite interesting, despite my dislike of Truth, and my inconsistent reception towards Naru. She could be a good character, but her motives and the knowledge she contains concerning this world are left too vague and indistinct. I don't dislike her too much for her current bewildering state though, considering much of it seems to be caused from the scub coral's infection within her. All in all, I've quite enjoyed this episode and the series up to this point. My only hope is that they don't continue to build the mysterious aspects of their story too much without leaving enough room to actually answer them. |
Lelouch22Jul 21, 2012 5:13 AM
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| Totally calling it, Truth is Ao's sister. And Naru is Eureka's mother. |
AGuyNamedJason said: Totally calling it, Truth is Ao's sister. And Naru is Eureka's mother. WHAT A TWIST. In my mind - EVERYONE is RELATED to EVERYONE. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
AGuyNamedJason said: Totally calling it, Truth is Ao's sister. And Naru is Eureka's mother. +1 |
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Lelouch22 said: Pretty good episode, despite the continued barrage of mysteries. I absolutely loved seeing Renton in the OP. I can't wait until he's finally brought into the fold of the story. I highly doubt he will be used in a similar fashion as Adroc in E7, considering Renton seems to have a much, much more important role in this show than Adroc ever did in the previous one. I'm expecting that he will be participating extensively toward the end of the series. As for the episode itself, despite the mindfuck nature of it, I found it rather enjoyable. I'm just hoping they'll be able to tie all of these various threads together in a satisfying way for the conclusion of the series. Obviously, as someone previously pointed out, Eureka needs to have a happy ending with Renton, considering the extremely numerous obstacles they had to overcome in E7. If the entire tone and message of the ending to the previous series were to be thrown away in order to satisfy the conclusion of this one, I'd be considerably pissed and disappointed, and would immediately consider this non-canon. Fortunately, I don't see much chance of that happening. The characters of the current series remain quite interesting, despite my dislike of Truth, and my inconsistent reception towards Naru. She could be a good character, but her motives and the knowledge she contains concerning this world are left too vague and indistinct. I don't dislike her too much for her current bewildering state, considering much of it seems to be caused from the scub coral's infection within her. All in all, I've quite enjoyed this episode and the series up to this point. My only hope is that they don't continue to build the mysterious aspects of their story too much without leaving enough room to actually answer them. I definitely agree on the Renton / Adroc theory. I'm sure he'll be involved as well, just waiting on him to actually make his appearance within the show. Seeing him in the opening makes me think that he will actually be coming quite soon rather than the last episode itself. |
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| First half was definetely better Nice scene of grabbing Eureka like in original series Mecha from OP2 is similar to Spec V but it's not it http://i.minus.com/iwr5ULjmlVXgF.png Finally Elena has some serious issues towards Eureka, her attacking accidently Thruth was funny. |
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| That new OP is spectacular , it has the Eureka feel to it made me have a fangasim, now that you think of it Ive had fangasims every Friday thanks to this show. The Ed is also very well done. Its easy to say that this show isn't all romance now, seeing how Naru pretty much betrays Ao, after seeing him heart broken like that he has my sympathy. Hopefully he does something about it. Looks like Naru is Mrs. Know-it-all, how dare she swipe away Eureka like that I hope the Nirvash rejects her. First time the Coralians have been mentioned in this series. I doubt Naru sees the big picture. Shes probably ignorant to the fact that the Nirvash is a conscious being seeing how she reacts towards Eureka. And that she refers to it as an IFO even after going through that LSD influenced trip through time. Hahaha I love how helpless Truth is this episode, still hate him hope he burns in hell. Can't wait to see more Elena action. I get the feeling that shes from the same time period as Eureka (obvious). Looks like next episode isn't gonna be all that amazing now that Eureka is gone, though Im probably wrong 5/5 |
LibertyPrimeJul 20, 2012 10:43 AM
bastek66 said: First half was definetely better Nice scene of grabbing Eureka like in original series Mecha from OP2 is similar to Spec V but it's not it http://i.minus.com/iwr5ULjmlVXgF.png Finally Elena has some serious issues towards Eureka, her attacking accidently Thruth was funny. Wow thanks for all of these! These three were definitely one of the best parts of the episode. Thanks for the Spec V one too, cleared up alot. I think that form may be something Renton is working on or else it might be Mark I's Spec V? BTW, Eureka / Ao scene was pretty cool to include by Bones |
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bastek66 said: Thanks for those - helps to see what the Spec 5 looked like, considering I never saw the movie. First half was definetely better Nice scene of grabbing Eureka like in original series Mecha from OP2 is similar to Spec V but it's not it http://i.minus.com/iwr5ULjmlVXgF.png Finally Elena has some serious issues towards Eureka, her attacking accidently Thruth was funny. I still wonder what Elena's grudge against Eureka is.. and what Naru is, that she doesn't want to help the Coralians or Eureka. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| I love how it seems like everyone knows everything..and Ao is the only one who knows.. nothing. I dunno I just feel like they are trying to hard to keep the show dragging on and on and on with more questions then answers.. starting to get DBZ flashbacks. |
MoonFox said: I love how it seems like everyone knows everything..and Ao is the only one who knows.. nothing. I dunno I just feel like they are trying to hard to keep the show dragging on and on and on with more questions then answers.. starting to get DBZ flashbacks. DB series had a plot other than "Really big bad guy must die"? Da Fuq?! o.O? |
Silentraider52 said: Perhaps Naru is able to pilot the Nirvash because she is Ao's sister. All kids with brain affected by trapar bursts are able to pilot IFO, it was mentioned few weeks ago. She can't be his sister because she was living on that island with her family and her mother died on that accident that took Eureka away 10 years earlier. |
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| All Im gonna say is if this series answers all the questions we have before it ends, and it does it right, this will be the best series that Bones has ever created. Hands down. |
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Nirvash_spec_V said: This is my theory and who knows theres a possibilty it might be true Well first I think Rentons hair could be turquoise like eurekas because he said he would give up being human and he had that red light on his forehead. Maybe its a part coralian trait he got thats now showing. Second I think elena might be ao's sister because remeber she has some connections to eureka and she could have been born in (eurekas world/time) and so when she was having Ao she sated that children born where high trappars can.... then it cuts out but we know it leads to brainmutation stated in episode 10. It could be a coincidence but this is my speculation and this anime has great potential:P!!! Just because he said he'd give up being human, doesn't mean he has; he was just describing the lengths he'd go to being with Eureka. Again, it's likely that it's just a gray-streak from stress - I highly doubt he's become part-Coralian. It's just too early to say what Elena is - everything seems to fit, except for her skin-tone, and unless it's some weird genetic heritage from Coralian DNA, it shouldn't be possible. |
| I don't think Naru could be Ao's sister because she definitely is going to be the love interest of Ao. (Sorry Fleur x Ao... dont think this gonna work). It was also told that she lost her mother 10 years ago. Definitely think that Elena is Ao's sister because she shares alot of similarities with him (episode 11, trapar). Additionally, we do know that she has had contact with Eureka and the original E7 world from her flashbacks. |
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| Oh yeah, love new OP. Naru is on Truth side!? |
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