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Jan 17, 2012 4:07 PM

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So instead of having 24 minutes of two characters slobbering over each other, falling into/accidentally grabbing breasts, and running into one another in various states of undress but ultimately getting fucking nowhere in their relationship we can have actual plot progression?

Because there's no such thing as romance without the above...? If you trust the guy to present a great show you ought to trust him to handle romantic relationships well, if he had wanted to go that route.

It's okay that he doesn't, and I've already said that I'm not too broken up over this news, but the way people are immediately and unequivocally equating romance = fanservice rubs me the wrong way (there's nothing like what you describe in, say, Hourou Musuko or Clannad or something, damnit).

If he avoids excessive fanservice in these shows it won't be because he excluded romance... it'll simply be because he didn't want to make them fanservicey.


There is such things, yes, but most shows with 'romance' these days consist of such. Even if the romance was done well, I would still rather be without it, because you don't need romance in these shows, and I didn't expect that there would be any in rinne or moetsu, either. Why would any of the two shows need romance? Rinne would do great as a show about friends bonding, and moestu would do great by showing off the chemistry of the entire pirate crew instead of detracting from that by dedicating time to just two people.

Clannad was different as it was almost purely a love story, and there wasn't anything along the lines of, say, "oh i may be attracted to you for no reason other than the fact that we promised each other something when we were 4 but i'll just avoid the issue while our relationship gets nowhere also i'm a loli vampire demon and we need to defeat the bad guys while the camera takes 20 shots of my underwear and the evil tentacle monster molests me." It wasn't an action show-it was a romance show and it knew that. However, 08th MS Team was an example where romance actually fit in a more action-y show, since it made a point about how there is no 'bad guy' in a war, and that the two sides are actually more similar than they'd like to believe. Instead of romance just for the sake of romance (and viewers), it was romance for the sake of a point that was trying to be proved. I just don't think that moetsu or rinne could be improved by pushing a love story in since they are neither about romance or could make a point through romance when, without it, it can already be done.
Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM

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Yeah, save romance for the romance anime. Mouretsu Pirates is awesome so far :3

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Ekvi said:
Yeah, save romance for the romance anime. Mouretsu Pirates is awesome so far :3

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Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM

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Yeah Even if Pirates doesn't have Romance I'll most likely still watch it because from what I hear it has good reviews.
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I wasn't really expecting romance from either of these shows, but still I was kinda hoping for it...
I'm still watching both either way.
Jan 17, 2012 5:01 PM

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"WAAAH WAAAH I WANT MY ANIME CHARACTERS TO BLUSH AND STUFF AND NEVER ADMIT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER FOR 26 EPISODES WAAAH!!!"

6 pages MAL? Seriously?
Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM

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OH FOR FUCKS SAKE
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS WOULD DROP A FUCKING SHOW JUST BECAUSE NO ROMANCE
THAT'S BEYOND RETARDED
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Mormegil said:
"WAAAH WAAAH I WANT MY ANIME CHARACTERS TO BLUSH AND STUFF AND NEVER ADMIT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER FOR 26 EPISODES WAAAH!!!"

6 pages MAL? Seriously?


LOve is a slow process the end of love is fast all long term love is is a stave of of the fast process
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Jan 17, 2012 5:40 PM

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Good.

I know it won't stop the shippers. But I fucking hate how anime fans seem to have the retarded notion that every close relationship has romance involved somehow. Some of them even carry it over into real life which results in naive and unhealthy perceptions of interpersonal relationships. They have this retarded black and white view that any sort of affection is romantic or sexual in nature, and that platonic love doesn't exist.

And so you get people who pander to this retarded shit because the shippers eat it up, and it ends up ruining otherwise good shows.
Jan 17, 2012 6:01 PM

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And I wonder why people make fun of anime fans. This stuff right here is comic gold. Keep it up MAL.
I'll be watching Moretsu Pirates and probably enjoying it.
Jan 17, 2012 6:05 PM

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ^(>.<)^
Jan 17, 2012 6:18 PM

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Well guess what just got dropped by PoisonMoon
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Jan 17, 2012 7:12 PM

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not cool, not cool at all... i'll still watch it though. :O

Jan 17, 2012 8:04 PM
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Romance is only good when done right. If done slightly wrong, it's horrible.

Exactly. I love good romance, but I've seen manga/anime writers fail (spectacularly) at male-female-romance a few times too often (even when they're good at other things). Nowadays, when an anime obviously focuses on romance, I check it very thoroughly before watching it because of that.

So even though we're robbed of the chance for good romance, I'm glad that I don't have to be afraid of outdated romance cliches being rubbed in my face (I didn't read the manga - I've just grown wary).

And if it actually allows them to turn up the yuri vibes a bit, I'm completely sold on that ^^ Until now, I was only thinking about Madoka x Lan anyway :-P
Jan 17, 2012 9:04 PM

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I don't have a problem with this. It probably wouldn't been poorly done or forced anyways and just ended up ruining what could've been a great show.

And besides, there's enough romance or romantic potential in other shows. Change is nice.
Jan 17, 2012 10:14 PM

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TenkaseiRyo said:
Ekvi said:
Yeah, save romance for the romance anime. Mouretsu Pirates is awesome so far :3

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Nah, won't bother :D

Besides, not every single thing has to be just like the source material...

Jan 18, 2012 2:29 AM

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I'm actually glad to hear it. In my belief, no romance is cool because of the reason stated above:
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wakka9ca said:
Romance is only good when done right. If done slightly wrong, it's horrible.

Exactly. I love good romance, but I've seen manga/anime writers fail (spectacularly) at male-female-romance a few times too often (even when they're good at other things). Nowadays, when an anime obviously focuses on romance, I check it very thoroughly before watching it because of that.
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Jan 18, 2012 2:47 AM

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Thank god. Romance is freakin everywhere, especially where it doesn't belong. To anyone complaining about this decision, how about you go watch any other series in the world, because it'll probably have some crappy half-asses romance in it. Tru storie.


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Jan 18, 2012 3:53 AM

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Good thing, makes me look forward more to Mouretsu Pirates and tells me that I won't watch Rinne no Lagrange.
I probably regret this post by now.
Jan 18, 2012 7:26 PM

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Stuartxtr7 said:
Plot > Romance. Still going to watch it.
LOL @ the people dropping both shows.
MAL's community is retarded.


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Jan 18, 2012 11:16 PM

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I had no intention of watching Mouretsu Pirates anyway but Rinne no Lagrange was on my list. I like romance in my anime but I guess, as others said, it might as well not be added if it won't be done well. I'll look to Ano Natsu de Matteru for my romance fix then and stick with Lagrange for my...My-Hime-ish mecha anime (or so it sounds from the summary) fix.

Jan 19, 2012 10:07 AM

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Stuartxtr7 said:
MAL's community is retarded.

I find it funny that people will say this when about half the responses, maybe more, have been happy about the news.
Jan 19, 2012 12:13 PM

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Redfoxoffire said:
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MAL's community is retarded.

I find it funny that people will say this when about half the responses, maybe more, have been happy about the news.


I disagree from what I seen there is more of those... I will drop it OR it makes no sense OR does yuri count?

I'm simply happy to see some new anime from creator of Stellvia or Shingu - which also don't have to much of romance (ok Stellvia doesn't)
Jan 20, 2012 4:52 AM

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This thread, well, the news only have little to explain precisely, because a director making an unexpected change in the plot or storyline gets an instant reaction from 2ch... so this news needs to be clarified.
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Jan 21, 2012 1:24 PM
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Well, guess I'll be watching these shows now. Great news :D
Jan 21, 2012 2:16 PM
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allflying said:
what is with you guys crying over non-romance elements? Do you really that lonely so the lack of romance in an anime could give you a bad medicine?

Get over it.


You can express your opinion without offending everyone. Unless you're 10 years old, in which case I would understand the incapability.

But the lack of romance can't be so bad, unless it's somewhat important for the story and character development. In which case, the decisions the characters make and their actions wouldn't make much sense.

(Still, I'm baffled that some people can't express their reaction to this without offending those who have an opposing view. You don't have to be a jackass to express yourself. Learn how to communicate and discss properly, then come back. Otherwise, you're not fit to be on an organized community.)

Granted, they seem to be taking liberty when it comes to the source material, so who knows.
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Metaler said:

(Still, I'm baffled that some people can't express their reaction to this without offending those who have an opposing view. You don't have to be a jackass to express yourself. Learn how to communicate and discss properly, then come back. Otherwise, you're not fit to be on an organized community.)

This is the internet, people don't know how to express their opinion without throwing insults.
Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM

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From what I have read, the romantic elements in Moretsu Pirates are between two of the more minor characters, but not Marika or Chiaki. (both members of the yacht club, so yes, a bit of shojo-ai, at least, if not yuri.) Though Marika's initial reaction when Chiaki transferred into class makes one wonder... (She blushed and thought, "She's cute!")
Jan 29, 2012 10:46 PM

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My dreams of cute yuri pirates have been crushed into oblivion.

That saddest part is that I had a dream the other night that I came onto this site and Moretsu Pirates had been officially listed as a 'shoujo-ai'.

... Actually it's pretty pathetic that I had a dream like that. BUT STILL.

IT HAS BEEN CRUSHED. D=
Jan 29, 2012 11:16 PM

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Still not going to stop the yuri fans from pairing people up. =P
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No yuri, that's always a plus. I'm still not gonna touch the show though unless its somehow hot-bloodedly awesome. It might actually be more than another, often, pointless show where the main purpose is to showcase a bunch of cute girls for the fanboys to drool over. I still probably wouldn't touch it.

Also, this director never really does romance. The only romance I've seen was in "Stellvia" and it wasn't exactly major; it had just about the right amount to satisfy my taste considering the genre. The other is "Nadesico" but that romance was far from developed. The romance there was more for humor and to appease the harem fans.
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Feb 4, 2012 9:25 PM

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i don't think everyone should jump to conclusions just yet. ;)

i meaning X-ing out the romance in moretsu, (for yuri fans) means no 'no-face' guys will make any appearance in the show what so ever...I absolutely hate when they add random characters in stories for romance elements. it is so annoying and terrible story writing.

BUT as he stated the 'unexpected' will happen, meaning something is going to throw us all off in the end. I think he really wanted to take a different approach and develop these characters naturally rather than forced pairings. i.e how the characters feelings would develop naturally as it would for people in real life with friends,etc....

this is just my 2cents. but all in all we can't really say much for these shows, that haven't even FINISHED airing.
Feb 5, 2012 4:17 PM

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Romanace is lousy in many anime's - whether or not romance is the initial genre.
Plus, highly zealous viewers who passionately shipping pairing won't have too much ammunition.
Good luck to him for doing something different! ; )

Feb 5, 2012 4:32 PM

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I didn't really expect much romance in either of those series to begin with, so this is no surprise. I mean, maybe a little one-sided yuri from Lan to Madoka, but that's about it.
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Bleh. There didn't have to be any "cheesy romance" tacked on, but...couldn't there be -something-? I think stories should have everything included; action, comedy, and romance. Without one or two of those, it's boring to me. I mean...what would life be without a love story in it? Or...without jokes? Or...MASS MURDER?

Just saying...

Also: Why would you tell people that? Even if there is no directly romantic things happen, people will still ship things. But saying that sort of...discourages it. So, why?
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this sucks.
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Bleh. There didn't have to be any "cheesy romance" tacked on, but...couldn't there be -something-? I think stories should have everything included; action, comedy, and romance. Without one or two of those, it's boring to me. I mean...what would life be without a love story in it? Or...without jokes? Or...MASS MURDER?

Just saying...

Also: Why would you tell people that? Even if there is no directly romantic things happen, people will still ship things. But saying that sort of...discourages it. So, why?


I'd like to have a break from romance, I see that in every single anime these days. Some friendship and sisterhood is a refresher.


Feb 19, 2012 6:18 AM

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Well no surprise, the main character is a girl after all.
Mar 4, 2012 12:30 PM

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Booooooooooooo!
Mar 5, 2012 8:10 PM

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I honestly don't mind Rinne no Lagrange going the shoujo ai way, but this news does make me wonder what kind of romance it would have had otherwise...
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Having watched Rinne up until the latest episode before sutmbling upon this i can say this show is better for it's lack of romance.
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Yarodomo said:
I love how people here think the romance in this topic is "Yuri", seriously, if it was the Yuri romance he eliminated, don't you think there'd be a darn riot? otakus would go rampage on the producers's arses.


Someone's not seen the sales of your average yuri anime...
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Mar 13, 2012 6:06 PM

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Holy shit that might actually make me watch it.
If it's not going to be some stupid retarded moe, weabo anime about romancuing the wifu.
Mar 13, 2012 6:16 PM

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no time for romance on the battlefield
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Director Sato Tatsuo tweeted that he has excluded all the romance elements from Moretsu Pirates and Rinne no Lagrange. He said it's an experimental approach to compose the scripts focusing on the friendships without romance, but he believes something unexpected will be created in such an old-fashioned way.

Source: Sato Tatsuo's tweet


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Mar 26, 2012 2:08 AM
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Not much of a problem or a loss to me, though yuri romance between Chiaki and Marika would have been a plus ^^;;
Apr 4, 2012 2:47 AM

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That yuri teaser in the beginning of the last RnL episode was funny. XD Seems that movie production club is open to shipping those two.
Apr 8, 2012 6:43 PM

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This is great. Having romance all the time is cliche and boring and stupid. And the idiots you see on forums are always so stupidly annoying.
Apr 9, 2012 10:43 AM

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Well, I'm actually glad romance not present in either of these 2 series. A good break from the usual genre and I enjoyed part 1 of Rinne no Lagrange so far.
Apr 29, 2012 6:56 AM

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Seemed like this needed a bump after the last episode of Mouretsu Pirates lol

My own two cents is while every show does not need romance its also human nature and rather odd to have none at all in either of these series as these characters are all single people at the age when emotions and romance run rampant. Its like dumping one primary color out of your painting palette. Sure you can do it but all your doing is cutting out a significant key element of human nature. It doesn't have to be the main focus of the show at all but for it to be completely absent is just unrealistic.


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figured this might need some background for people not following it...

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