Manga 'Shiro Seijo to Kuro Bokushi' Gets TV Anime

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LMAO. So you actually replied. In any case, I'm back here again because I finished this anime and was reminded of this argument.

I honestly forgot what your arguments against this show is about. Something stupid if I recall. Something something how this show is gonna cause the downfall of the anime industry and anime as a whole which is just absolutely stupid.

This anime aired and finished and did anime die? Lol, it didn't. Which just goes to show how fucking stupid your arguments were back then. And the only counter arguments you could bring up is "Lol, prove it" or some such when it was your job and not mine to prove how this anime was gonna kill the anime industry. Well, in the end, time basically proved your arguments wrong. The anime industry is still chugging along despite more shows like this being produced.

So yeah, I just came back here to tell you how wrong you are. Hopefully you've changed and realized raging against a particular genre or show isn't helpful and if you still don't like anime like this, there's one simple solution to all that: GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE.

I did point out that there was nothing for me to learn, what with me having been right all along. As I asked before, though, what was I supposed to have learned, in your eyes?



I'll remind you that I never actually had complaining about romcoms as any part of my argument, I simply began with that as an accepted and obvious fact. I told you this almost a month ago. You keep trying to pose this as a question of whether romcoms are any good or not, because that is, I imagine, simpler for you to think about, but that isn't what this conversation has ever focused on.



Go on then, go through my points, pick, say, 3 or 4, and show me how they can be cut down into what you just said. Or hell, even 1 would do, though I still doubt you'll even try.

(For the record, in reference to your next line, this is what calling a bluff actually looks like.)



First, you clearly don't know what a bluff is. A bluff is to pretend you possess some advantage over an opponent that you in truth do not, and with this threat get what you want. Such a tactic relies on said advantage never actually being visible in the open, which would immediately reveal said advantage is false. However, the critical difference here is that I have already, numerous times, proven my position's validity. There is no bluff to call on my part, there is only my existing, wholly valid argument. If you wanted to actually "call my bluff," you could, oh-I-don't-know, actually try refuting any single thing I've said, like I instructed you to a dozen times already.

Second, you've tried this "common sense" line before, so I'll just point you to how I refuted that then, above.



Prove this claim.



Wow, a new claim from you. I never thought I'd see the day. Prove it also, then.



Yeah, yeah, same again, still an invalid argument for reasons already given. You've tried the "many people will agree with me" route before as well, I refuted it then too.

No, you haven't learned anything. You keep claiming that there's some grand problem with the anime industry but all you've done is complain about romcoms. And no, you have not explained why. All you've done is say things that can be summarized as "I don't like this anime and it shouldn't be produced" which is just utter nonsense. You can claim to go into detail all you want about how you've explained it but anyone with common sense will call your bluff. No, romcoms and anime like them do not threaten the anime industry. If anything, heeding you is more likely to negatively impact the anime industry than the romcom genre ever will.
I'll keep bringing it up because you seem to think it's some massive problem that needs to be fixed when pretty much everyone else will just tell you what I've been telling you all this time: Don't like romcoms? GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE.

How scathing. Look, you're not going to convince me to stop correcting you like this. Strange as it may seem to you, your taunts fail to terrify me.

And again, you're welcome to stop talking yourself. Of course, we can all tell you just want the last word as a consolation prize.



What was I supposed to have learnt? I have been explaining why I'm right and you're wrong, in case you forgot. That's not a situation that leaves me with anywhere to grow.



I think that makes about 6, if I counted correctly. 6 times you've said this, and 6 times you've failed to demonstrate that after I instruct you to do so.

Like, really, what is your game here? Do you think after 25, 50, 100, I'll suddenly turn around and agree with you?



Well that's just an outright lie. You can scroll up and see me go into quite significant detail about precisely why and how this impacts the industry as a whole.



Already covered, you know the drill.

For someone who complained a while ago about how this has filled up this comment section, you seem to like being here. As for your arguments, did you even learn anything? You haven't proven any of the problems you claim exist. All you did was complain about how x anime shouldn't be produced and that's it. So again, if you don't like the anime in question, GO WATCH SOMETHING ELSE.

Demonstrate they do not exist, then. Note I have already shown how they do, so good luck with that.



And as I mentioned earlier, that isn't the issue, hence that is not the solution. How can you still not get this?



That's another fallacy. You need to first establish what constitutes common sense, then show that my position does not match.



And you figure that out how? This is a back and forth, one cannot speak at length without the other participating. You're welcome to stop your ranting, if this conversation bothers you so.



I already covered this above.

Again and again, you keep bringing up so called problems that doesn't exist. As I mentioned earlier, JUST WATCH SOMETHING ELSE if you don't like what you're watching. For someone acting so smart and elitist, you have little to no common sense. You made a comment how our arguments have filled up with this thread, well that's more on you than on me. Anyone else would've just shut up and just moved on to another anime. Yet here you are complaining about things that don't need complaining.

So noting that I have already proved you wrong is in your eyes an excuse, and citing it suggests the exact opposite? That's not even close to any form of logic. You've essentially tried to argue "I'm right because you're right." That's idiotic.



There are well over a dozen messages in this thread between us, in each of which I have pointed out how your reasoning is incorrect. If you want to claim that all of these are themselves incorrect, you need to show that, exactly as you're suggesting I should.

Simply insisting over and over again that I have not proven you wrong is not an argument. That is denial.



We have already established that what you consider "elitist" is simply disagreeing with you, and that's a circular argument.



We have already established the problem is a misallocation of resources.

(And here's a hint for you: this and the above are exactly what I'm talking about when I note I've already proven my point, and they're exactly what you need to go after to show I'm allegedly wrong.)



Well you clearly just contradicted yourself, but also see the point above, you fail to understand what the issue we're even talking about is.



I already covered this above.



I already covered this above.

LOL, no. You haven't proved me wrong and the fact that you're using that excuse just goes to show that. YOU'RE the one who has to prove me wrong here. And you haven't done that once. All you have done is just spout your elitist nonsense. At the end of the day, your inability to just watch something else is the only problem here. There is no grand problem with the anime industry. Maybe issues like overworking and lack of good pay, but when it comes to the stuff they produce, it's all dependent on the person watching. If the people like it, they like it. If they don't, THEY MOVE ON AND WATCH SOMETHING ELSE. Again and again, there is no problem here other than your inability to just move on to watch something else. Oh, and heads up, I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure even good anime needs money. There is no difference between making anime and making good anime. They're both dependent on money. I doubt you'll understand that though since simple concepts seem to fly through your head.

If they were making sense, how is it that I've been able to refute all of them? And if you're going to claim I somehow didn't, do explain how I was wrong.



The Fallacy of Incredulity. If there's something you fail to understand you're allowed to ask for clarification, you know.



Have you considered that it may not be that I can't comprehend your catchphrase, but that it simply fails to address the issue at hand? Can you prove that it is relevant, that I'm at fault?



We're not discussing making anime. We're discussing making good anime. Has that not been clear to you?



I've already dealt with a similar "why don't you do X then" statement earlier. As I said then, I could, for all you know I have, but that still won't solve the issue nor stop me from discussing it here.

Also forgot to add. In a reply you made to the other guy, you mention money is irrelevant. Wtf are you smoking? Of course money is fucking relevant. I dare you to try and make an anime without money. Sure, it's important to be creative. But creativity alone isn't going to feed your animators. As I mentioned in a previous reply, how about you make your own anime if you think you're so talented instead of bitching about non existent problems here on MAL?

Nah, I will repeat my previous comments since they're the ones making sense here unlike you. And I have read your points, it just doesn't make any sense to me. All of it just sounds like elitist blabber. As for that mantra, it's a simple but effective mantra, one that I don't mind repeating over and over and one you don't seem to comprehend. So again:
Don't like the anime? GO. WATCH. SOMETHING. ELSE.

I have already discussed this in my last comment. I'm explaining what is a better artistic decision, not a financial one. Money is irrelevant to the conversation.



And this comes from where? It doesn't even make sense as an idea. Talentless bums are those who gave up on artistic integrity, not those advocating for it. Your statement here doesn't make a lick of sense.



Yes, the goal of most anime is to make money. The issue is that that is a bad thing. Making money is not what the creation of fiction is suited nor originally intended for. I've already laid this out to you.



You have already claimed this, and I have already asked you to show how. You have not done so, so your claim doesn't work.



This is just a repeat of your last comment. As I already said, defining elitist simply as my actions, then claiming I'm an elitist as an insult is a recursive and thus illegitimate statement. Continually claiming this, even when your error is laid out so plainly, only demonstrates your inability to argue your point. In fact I don't think your last few comments have even said anything about the original issue we were discussing, you've gone on a tangent about trying and failing to insult me.



I'm not even going to bother explaining the issue here since it's obvious you're just saying that like some mantra without even reading my points.

You do know that every comment you post proves everything I'm saying, right? Nah, you're too stubborn to see that.
Also, the fact that you continue to claim that you're not pretentious/elitist and ask me to prove why you're pretentious/elitist while stating pretentious/elitist BS like "Not liking the anime" is not "the problem." The continued production of drivel is" just shows how much up your ass your head is in. No wonder that comment above was telling me that everyone on this site that has come across you has mostly viewed you as a pretentious/elitist asshat.
Again, there is no problem here but your inability to GO. WATCH. SOMETHING. ELSE.

animation costs money that's just objective reality i want more detective animes, horror animes,as well as more folklore animes myself but i understand that the reality is that the industry will always be focused on profit regardless of what i think soi do the adult thing and vote for better shows with my money also "artistic integrity" was a word created by talentless bums the goal of anime is to make money your feeling are irrelavant

It's incredibly hard to tell if you're talking to me thanks to your formatting, but I assume you are.

You are making the same mistake the other user did, which is assuming that whatever is financially best for the producers is the best decision to make. I, however, am discussing what is the best artistic decision. Not in the interests of them making a profit, but in the interests of them making good shows. Creating shitty romcoms makes the studios money, absolutely, but that isn't the goal of the creative arts. And thinking it is, as you and the other seem to, only demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge in the field.

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I have already instructed you to demonstrate how any of this is the case. Why am I wrong, why am I pretentious? Simply saying you think I'm wrong over and over is not an effective counterargument.



Given that, as established, all you're doing is denying what I've told you without any further discussion, what you're essentially saying is simply "anyone who disagrees with me is an elitist." I think it's pretty obvious what's wrong with that statement.



"Not liking the anime" is not "the problem." The continued production of drivel is. Therefore, your "solution" doesn't solve anything, as I already proved about four comments ago.[/quoti hate to break it to you but anime production com
panies will not change due to social media complaining they will only change with cold hard cashvoting with your wallet is actually more productive also why should they not produce things because a vocal minority find it bad i'm sorry but they are not going to change a multi trillion yen business practice because of social media whiners please actually learn how business,markets and the real
world works

I have already instructed you to demonstrate how any of this is the case. Why am I wrong, why am I pretentious? Simply saying you think I'm wrong over and over is not an effective counterargument.



Given that, as established, all you're doing is denying what I've told you without any further discussion, what you're essentially saying is simply "anyone who disagrees with me is an elitist." I think it's pretty obvious what's wrong with that statement.



"Not liking the anime" is not "the problem." The continued production of drivel is. Therefore, your "solution" doesn't solve anything, as I already proved about four comments ago.

No, you haven't answered anything because everything you've said so far has been downright wrong starting from the very beginning. Claiming that romcoms shouldn't be produced in the first place was downright and inherently STUPID that everything you've said afterwards just sounds like pretentious drivel which it is. And that is what makes you, and everything you've been saying so far, elitist.
And yes, everything I've said does fix the problem. It's what any sane person does. Don't like the anime, go find something else to watch. It's a simple solution to a simple problem but for some reason you can't understand that. There is no other problem here except for you being unable to understand that. So again, GO. WATCH. SOMETHING. ELSE.

Regarding your complaints against Yor, again, the anime hasn't even adapted 30 chapters of the manga. Chill out with wanting Yor front and center. She'll get her time to shine. And as for her being useful, for me, she's already being useful by being some sort of a mother figure for Anya. What else do you want?
And wtf is that with your misogyny comment? First the guy above complaining about homophobia and all that shit, now misogyny? How? Because Yor isn't acting the way you want the mangaka is now automatically some misogynist?