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Kougeru said: It was honestly 9/10 until the final episode. The finale was really lackluster and nonsensical. Almost felt like a cop-out, really. Basically felt like they didn't know how to end it so they just made everyone friends by magic. I wouldn't mind going back in time and actually working to change things for the better but instead it was just.. memories of Takopi. Is that how it was the manga or was this because of the 6 episode limit? Either way, overall it was great. They did amazing for just 6 episodes. Visually and auditorily it was 10/10 too. yes, the manga is just 2 vol so it's not long. |
| “You are not alone, Ash. I am with you. My soul is with you.” - Eiji Okumura. |
Sasuke149 said: some notes: first of all wasn’t the camera the murder weapon?? how the well did azuma give it back to takopii? second, i see teenage marina still has a scar at the end, so everything is still sh*t, except the girls have each other. three, azuma not being a part of the two girls’ life in the future is interesting. a curious choice by the author. I think it is hinted that Azuma is now avoiding Shizuka. maybe something inside him is telling him that this girl is no good.. and being with her would bring him a lot of misfortune. and from anime it looks he wasn't especially friendly with Marina, too (except Takopi in Marina's form). so, I see no reason why would he now be part of the group, moreover he could be in different highschool as those two. |
| “You are not alone, Ash. I am with you. My soul is with you.” - Eiji Okumura. |
| wait what @@ uhmm seriously what episodes 1-5 were bangers this is wtf |
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| I was wondering how they were going to wrap everything up after all that has happened in one last episode, and this was.. the last thing I expected. It is a really good ending, I just really wish they had more time to develop their relationships and HOW they managed to get along, instead of just vaguely hinting at how they bonded over the "memories" of having Takopi in their care. Making Shizuka and Marina get along was the goal from the beginning, and it just gets solved off-screen. It's a bit of a disappointing ending, but still a satisfying conclusion nonetheless, as well as a beautiful message. |
utennAug 2, 3:11 PM
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| Right now im satisfied with the ending definetly an anime of the year imo!! Every episode was literally perfect and this changed my perspective a lot from what i thought from it first this anime needs way more recognition |
Reply to CLModerno
gosh, I REALLY liked this anime until episode 5, in fact, it was a 10, but I was unsure how they would end it, and here we are, easily one of the WORST endings I've ever seen in an overall good anime, honestly, dogshit
| I agree, the creator(s) really botched the ending of this, by the end of E5 the plot was so tangled up it needed 2-3 episodes to untangle in a satisfying way which could have resulted in a 9 or 10 rating for me.....but the untangling was completely rushed in 1 episode using some good old "therefore and then therefore and then therefore and then" story telling. |
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Reply to phantomfandom
The ending is quite deus ex machina. Not all problems are solved, but all the serious problems (like murder) are gone.
I feel like this is more suitable for theatrical release of around 2-hours something rather than a TV series so that people can watch the whole thing in just one time, but at least it has only 6 episodes. Still, I assume I'll be much more satisfied if it's movie instead.
I feel like this is more suitable for theatrical release of around 2-hours something rather than a TV series so that people can watch the whole thing in just one time, but at least it has only 6 episodes. Still, I assume I'll be much more satisfied if it's movie instead.
| @phantomfandom Takopi is literally a deus with a machina. He was the fallen angel who rebeled against god, and later he dies for his and the MC sins |
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๐๐๐๐๐ ๐บ๐๐ฝ ๐ป๐๐๐๐พ ๐๐บ๐๐ผ๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐~ ๐๐๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐๐? ๐๐๐๐๐บ๐๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐๐๐ ๐พ๐๐๐พ๐ผ๐๐บ๐๐๐๐๐, ๐๐๐๐๐? ๐จ๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐บ 9/10 ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐๐พ~ |
| “๐จ๐ฟ ๐ ๐๐ฟ๐พ ๐๐พ๐๐พ ๐๐๐พ๐ฝ๐๐ผ๐๐บ๐ป๐ ๐พ, ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฝ ๐ผ๐พ๐บ๐๐พ ๐๐ ๐ป๐พ ๐ ๐๐ฟ๐พ ๐บ๐๐ฝ ๐ป๐พ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ฟ๐ ๐บ๐๐๐.” – ๐ค๐ ๐พ๐บ๐๐๐ ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐พ๐๐พ๐ ๐ |
| The performance really enhanced the experience. Stellar performance by Ueda Reina! The ending still feels as abrupt as it did in the manga when Takopii drops a bombshell "I actually have a superpower". |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
Reply to Denkenisme
Who are the malicious people who caused the rating of Takopi no Genzai to drop?
Yesterday, I saw it had reached a 9.0 rating.
Now it has gone down instead.
Yesterday, I saw it had reached a 9.0 rating.
Now it has gone down instead.
| @Denkenisme Yeah, if people are not braindead to rate this 10 they must be malicious |
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@JoeChip
At the very least, with the story and message it delivers, this anime deserves a higher rating and a place among the top 10 highest-rated anime on MyAnimeList.
Are you trying to prevent that from happening, rather than supporting it?
At the very least, with the story and message it delivers, this anime deserves a higher rating and a place among the top 10 highest-rated anime on MyAnimeList.
Are you trying to prevent that from happening, rather than supporting it?
| @Denkenisme Coping mixed with some fascist propaganda I liked it |
| The bullshit disclaimer which continued past the first episode really baited me into believing this would be a proper tragic story, but once again, Japanese authors mostly have no balls to go all the way into despair territory and keep pulling this "happy ending despite everything else" crap. All in all, I'm glad its rating is deservedly dropping. |
Reply to AkiraLeir
The bullshit disclaimer which continued past the first episode really baited me into believing this would be a proper tragic story, but once again, Japanese authors mostly have no balls to go all the way into despair territory and keep pulling this "happy ending despite everything else" crap. All in all, I'm glad its rating is deservedly dropping.
AkiraLeir said: Japanese authors mostly have no balls to go all the way into despair territory Try some Korean animation then https://myanimelist.net/anime/12035/Dwaeji-ui_Wang |
Reply to Mmamaajjasnz
Nowadays it's so easy to get high rating, just put dark trauma slop and sad vibes themes and people will love it even when the writing isn't that good. I understand that this type of anime is kinda rare nowadays but i couldn't understand how people tends to overhyped.
Mmamaajjasnz said: but i couldn't understand how people tends to overhyped. It's not really hard to understand really, majority of this anime's fans are teenagers and it's well known that most teens love dark and edgy stuff that pretends to be deep. Same as power fantasies, it's no great surprise that most fans of Solo Leveling are teens as well. The anime is not that bad to deserve 1 as you have rated it though. |
JoeChipAug 2, 11:13 PM
| I mean... sure, I agree with the overall message. Some problems in life are simply out of your control so you just have to deal with it. Just find someone/something to lean on rather than bullying/murdering someone else. With that said, I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it before yelling "just a prank bro". Like, seriously? You couldn't think of a way to fix the relationship other than by literal magic? Wishing on the dragon balls? Are you fucking kidding me? |
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I mean... sure, I agree with the overall message. Some problems in life are simply out of your control so you just have to deal with it. Just find someone/something to lean on rather than bullying/murdering someone else.
With that said, I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it before yelling "just a prank bro". Like, seriously? You couldn't think of a way to fix the relationship other than by literal magic? Wishing on the dragon balls? Are you fucking kidding me?
With that said, I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it before yelling "just a prank bro". Like, seriously? You couldn't think of a way to fix the relationship other than by literal magic? Wishing on the dragon balls? Are you fucking kidding me?
| @JustMonaka Hey, you rated Babylon 8, which has a much worse ending and story problems than this , so it's a bit hypocritical of you to say "I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it" |
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@JustMonaka
Hey, you rated Babylon 8, which has a much worse ending and story problems than this , so it's a bit hypocritical of you to say "I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it"
Hey, you rated Babylon 8, which has a much worse ending and story problems than this , so it's a bit hypocritical of you to say "I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it"
| @JoeChip Babylon at least was an open ending. I'll take no answer over bullshit answer any day of the week. Also, going into my list just to find something to attack me with. Classic MAL is classic. |
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@JoeChip Babylon at least was an open ending. I'll take no answer over bullshit answer any day of the week.
Also, going into my list just to find something to attack me with. Classic MAL is classic.
Also, going into my list just to find something to attack me with. Classic MAL is classic.
| @JustMonaka Aww looks like someone is triggered after getting hit with the truth lol |
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| @JoeChip "Hurr durr I'll bring up a stupid example to offend you because I'm utterly incapable of defending my anime" Take your win, brother. We're done here. |
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Reply to JustMonaka
@JoeChip "Hurr durr I'll bring up a stupid example to offend you because I'm utterly incapable of defending my anime"
Take your win, brother. We're done here.
Take your win, brother. We're done here.
| @JustMonaka You are so full of yoursellf you actually think I like this anime, Nah, I am simply allergic to hypocrisy. |
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@mshfqtny ๐๐๐บ๐ ๐๐พ๐บ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐บ๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐ ๐บ๐
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๐๐๐๐๐ ๐บ๐๐ฝ ๐ป๐๐๐๐พ ๐๐บ๐๐ผ๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐~
๐๐๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐๐? ๐๐๐๐๐บ๐๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐๐๐ ๐พ๐๐๐พ๐ผ๐๐บ๐๐๐๐๐, ๐๐๐๐๐?
๐จ๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐บ 9/10 ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐๐พ~
๐๐๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐๐? ๐๐๐๐๐บ๐๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐๐๐ ๐พ๐๐๐พ๐ผ๐๐บ๐๐๐๐๐, ๐๐๐๐๐?
๐จ๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐บ 9/10 ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐๐พ~
| @aurora_yuuki aurora_yuuki said: i was on bus going to chittagong ๐๐๐บ๐ ๐๐พ๐บ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐บ๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐ ๐บ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐บ๐๐ฝ ๐ป๐๐๐๐พ ๐๐บ๐๐ผ๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐~ aurora_yuuki said: before starting it, my prejudice was that, it would be one of those shows that are excessively dark just for the sake of it. Well it is but with so good execution that it doesn't matter anymore.๐๐๐ ๐๐บ๐ ๐๐? ๐๐๐๐๐บ๐๐๐พ๐ฝ ๐๐๐๐ ๐พ๐๐๐พ๐ผ๐๐บ๐๐๐๐๐, ๐๐๐๐๐? I'll give it a 9/10 as well. |
| I cried a few times and just reading through the thread at responses reminding me what i saw making me tear up again repeatedly-pi (โ หฬฃฬฃฬฅโหฬฃฬฃฬฅ โ) โเซฎ แ โโแ โโแ What a bittersweet end. People saying it was a happy end weren't paying attention. Shizuka's mom is still mostly absent, her dad is living with his other family. I noticed Marina has that scar on her face so again in the final timeline it played out like the original where she becomes traumatized and her mom continues to abuse her for years. This means it is still possible it will come to a point her mom attacks her again and she will kill her in self defense. Though at least this time with Shizuka as a friend now she might not kill herself after and because Azuma did not cling to Shizuka or Marina they are not rivals in this final timeline. Chappy is alive, but only for now since dogs tend to not live that long. At first I felt things resolved too easily like it could have been more natural changes that at least somewhat fit what could happen under normal circumstances but considering nothing Takopii did in the end could have been done before everything leading up to the end was part of the process. A few things I am a bit unclear on with the anime or at least viewing with subs. Did Takopii after Shizuka attacked him just wander back home somehow and forgot or is he basically immortal if killed by ordinary means and respawns like a game character? Also Shizuka said she wanted to check the stomachs of the staff at the animal shelter "too". But the news article we were showed said that the girls were kidnapped and later were found safe. Is there just some bad translation or is it just the way Shizuka phrased herself or was something changed in the anime from the manga? I also am a bit unclear what happened in the end. Was the voice Shizuka, Marina, and Azuma heard a disembodied Takopii actually talking to them or was it simply from them having memories of these alternate timelines echoing in their heads? I could see it working either way but then his final goodbye wouldn't entirely have made as much sense so it maybe was a bit of both. All in all this was great maybe a masterpiece. Most that I think is a flaw seems to fall apart when I think longer and harder on it catching things I missed and maybe I'd understand more clearly after checking the manga too. His ship was destroyed when he had came back from using the clock tower presumably because he came back to a time while in the ship but because his memory was wiped it played out different where it was lost. In the OP of the show they show his ship being shot down by a fighter jet. His memory was mostly gone except a few things. He did not know sacrificing himself was even an option until his memory of that came back. It was the only option because it previously was unknown to him and the ship being gone and him banished from Happy Planet he couldn't use the clock tower which also would have risked his memory being erased on arrival by his mother again. Though if he did remember all along having these powers he didnt know what to do for sure until his memories came back and he experienced all he did. Everything that happened was necessary to happen. Takopii being innocent, not understand humans or suffering or having his memories how things went it only could have went that way outside of random chance differences. Different series have different models of time travel and timeline. You likely are picturing a branching timeline or one that gets entirely replaced. Picture time as a ribbon traveling a linear line. Now make a loop in the ribbon. Now make several more loops on top of each other. Time did not unwind like a cassette tape you rewound then taped over, those loops dont go away, those were the time travel and part of the flow of time and everything is overlapping but not entirely overwritten. So Marina doesn't have to be a high schooler to remember Takopii because that older version of her is in her past when the first loop was made connecting high school her to elementary school her and all the other events that we saw take place took place, though I assume Takopii only let them remember the happy memories to not bring several timelines of trauma onto them. Order of time flow follows Takopii's view of it. Shizuka and Marina were not originally friends, that was a misunderstanding of Takopii, so there was no making up with the happy ribbon. Plus these happy gadgets do not always work as intended as we saw with the wings not able to carry the weight of even a kid. They were made by happians not humans in mind so it may not even work on a human even if there was anything for them to make up because humans are full of sadness and hatred and fear that happians often never get to experience. So seemed to me it wouldn't work even if Takopii tried to use it plus he was afraid that Shizuka would attempt to hang herself with it again. Ckea said: Oh lol, I didn't even see the post credit scene until you pointed it out. I like how there's still some tension between Marina and Shizuka, depite them being friends now. In fact, I find it impressive that they are able to be friends, even tho their moms are at odds with each other. (Maybe Marina got her scar in this new timeline from her mom as punishment for being friends with the daughter of the woman who stole her husband) As for Azuma, I guess it makes sense for him to be out of the picture, since him getting together with either of the two kinda started things to go wrong in the first timeline. So perhaps this was for the better. (Also yeah, now that you mention it, it is weird how Azuma still had the camera. Maybe he simply didn't mention it to the cops when he informed them about what happened? ๐ค) I think Marina got the scar for the same reason she originally did. It is even in the same spot. Thus why I am concerned she may wind up in same situation she originally did killing her mom in self defense because Takopii didn't cause that. LeWatcher said: Shizuka can't help Marina, and Marina can't help Shizuka. But they can not make anything worse for the other. And so, they simply find solace in each other. Marina did some terrible shit, and so did Shizuka. But they're like 9 year old. You can't blame them; it's the adults in their lives that completely fucked them up. They are children,, they don't know any better because they weren't taught any better. Even so, that doesn't mean they can't grow and change as people. There is no villain or hero in this story. There are only human beings...and Takopi; the alien who helped bring two victims together. Not solving each other's problems isn't inherently not helping, they are emotional support just being there for each other, understanding each other, sharing each other's pain. Shizuka is 10, it is shown in one of news articles mentioning a girl from Hokkaido gone missing along with the two from Tokyo suggesting they may be connected. I am not sure on the others if 9 or 10 but since not explicitly stated they likely are all 10. 10 is old enough to understand consequences of actions at least relatively short term, and have a degree of emotional control. You dont normally see 10 year old's have meltdowns like 3 year olds. I know when I was 10 I already had morals figured out long ago and my parents suck like theirs do, maybe not perfect but I'm not that different from when I was a kid. So it doesn't mean they have no control over their actions and no responsibility at all, of course this doesn't mean full blame, I don't even blame adults 100% so I absolutely wouldnt do that with 10. I think anyone regretful or incapable can be worth to be forgiven or limited in ability and be partially blame lifted. It doesn't matter if someone is an adult they also can be effected and people have this false idea that people just grow out of every flaw once they hit a certain age when that isnt really the case. It is fair to say an adult would be more intelligent in crystalized memory than a 10 year old in most cases but not more empathetic they sometimes can be less empathetic and kids have higher liquid intelligence than adults meaning they learn fast from experience. So Id just say they are different on average in how they process information. Masshiroi said: I think it is hinted that Azuma is now avoiding Shizuka. maybe something inside him is telling him that this girl is no good.. and being with her would bring him a lot of misfortune. and from anime it looks he wasn't especially friendly with Marina, too (except Takopi in Marina's form). so, I see no reason why would he now be part of the group, moreover he could be in different highschool as those two. I don't think he is avoiding her. Rather he wound up closer with his brother and with other friends so he did not have the motivation to approach a bullied girl that would be more than he can handle. He was hesitant to approach her in the first place. AkiraLeir said: The bullshit disclaimer which continued past the first episode really baited me into believing this would be a proper tragic story, but once again, Japanese authors mostly have no balls to go all the way into despair territory and keep pulling this "happy ending despite everything else" crap. All in all, I'm glad its rating is deservedly dropping. It isn't happy though. Marina still went through trauma of her mother cutting her face up, you see the scar in the end. From that you can see that she also likely will wind up again attacked by her mother, then kill her in self defense. She only might not kill herself after this round but she will still be further traumatized. JustMonaka said: I mean... sure, I agree with the overall message. Some problems in life are simply out of your control so you just have to deal with it. Just find someone/something to lean on rather than bullying/murdering someone else. With that said, I have never seen a story that presented so much nuance to a sensitive and difficult topic, and then spits all over it before yelling "just a prank bro". Like, seriously? You couldn't think of a way to fix the relationship other than by literal magic? Wishing on the dragon balls? Are you fucking kidding me? I felt that at first but that was just a narrative tool for them coming together with shared experiences, interests and talking things out which was lead by Takopii. I do feel there could have been more than just one moment bringing them together in this for case of Shizuka and Marina but considering the memories of different timelines lived in them they basically already understood each other more and went through similar experiences in different timelines. Original timeline Shizuka attempted suicide and Marina did successfully commit suicide after killing her mom in self defense because even though their relationship she was abused she was all she had who cared about her even if in the wrong kind of way. Shizuka lost Chappy, and Marina lost her chance with Azuma. Wouldn't memories of that Marina better understand Shizuka once she got memories of Marina in the timeline Shizuka successfully killed herself? We did not see her reactions to it but it is safe to assume she would have at least felt a bit guilty and regretful. From original timeline we did see Marina was kinder and not bullying anyone so even with a failed suicide of Shizuka attempt maybe it softened her up but a successful suicide would have hit her harder. Wouldn't the memories of Shizuka from the timeline she lost her mind over losing Chappy and coldly hurt and manipulated others around her better understand why Marina would act out bullying her? The other time lines were not entirely erased so nothing was truly undone. Everything that happened mattered and lead to the end. I think it is just one of those things that some people are having trouble figuring out because time travel complicates things being different in different stories in how it works and there is a lot of time to think about everything before it sinks in more on why it was written how it was written because the author kept a lot up to the reader to figure out with clues given and some guess work instead of spelling everything out. I feel it is slightly short of what could have been just straight shown though since some things require assumptions based on common patterns to be made. |
traedAug 3, 3:54 AM
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