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Aug 23, 2024 7:10 AM
#1
Here's the thing: I watched an anime "No-Rin" sometime back and in it, a minor character said something which changed my views forever. It said that boys have 2 definite tendencies. In their childhood, they are attracted to Cute girls due to the motherly vibe from them. In their adolescence, they focus on the Sexy type due to the puberty and other factors. (We all know) Lastly, when we grow older, we are again attracted to Cute girls due to the Fatherly instinct becoming to surface upon us. How do you think of this? Do you agree? Which stage are you in?(Age doesn't matter) Me? I guess I like the cute ones more compared to sexy type, but will be more than happy with latter too. Btw I don't promote the anime. Though the start was good with actually good mid with an alright plot, ending was miserable. |
Aug 23, 2024 7:17 AM
#2
Not sure about childhood, but in puberty I got attracted to sexy milfs, now I'm attracted to cute & sexy & older & younger. |
No, this isn't my signature. |
Aug 23, 2024 7:34 AM
#4
im a man in my 40s and i still like milfs aka sexy women |
Aug 23, 2024 7:42 AM
#5
My 2 cents. Cute vs sexy is not an age thing, you have the capacity to like both at any age (after you start puberty, before that presumably you don't understand the concept of "sexy"). As evidence for this claim I ask you to think about how you may have felt about a potential teenage crush. This might not be a universal experience, but at least in the rare instances that I've had a crush on someone, it was not really sexual, its more like a pure infatuation. But of course simultaneously, there may be other girls that you find attractive in a sexual way, but the crush is different somehow. Now one thing I don't know is whether both feelings can come from the same person, I have heard that apparently its very rare, and that its just one of those unrealistic expectations we've built up that one person can be everything at once (your smoking mistress, a good mother, loving and caring housewife etc. ) but I guess it doesn't really matter for this point. All that being said, I think generally speaking cute beats sexy, because you form more of an attachment to cute things. That being said, most characters have a little bit of both in them and there are other factors at play as well such as personality and what happens in the story so its hard to really say. |
Aug 23, 2024 7:58 AM
#6
If i had to choose i will always go with sexy girls over cute girls but i prefer to have both in one. |
Aug 23, 2024 8:17 AM
#7
Cute or sexy? Definitely sexy. I think it reflects a men's desires much better. |
Hot Blood saves lives. |
Aug 23, 2024 10:02 AM
#8
I’ve always gravitated towards “adorkable” characters. Case in point: I not only prefer the IRL appearance of Ririsa Amano to her cosplay image, but also with glasses over without |
OhayotakuAug 23, 2024 12:15 PM
Aug 23, 2024 10:10 AM
#9
wait till you discover what erocute is. it will change your life. |
The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
Aug 23, 2024 10:44 AM
#10
Vamp_Lord said: Cute Girls or Sexy Girls? (Anime intended for now) I would say things always comes down to personal preference. Though, generally speaking I personally tend to gravitate towards Women and not girls. Doesn't matter if they are cute or sexy. As a common example, when I see some female Anime teenage brat being sexualized briefly and unintentionally showing off her panties in a very provocative pose, it doesn't necessarily get a person like me excited. Sure it might look sexy and I realize it's sole purpose is eye candy mostly intended for instant gratification, but coming across even sexy in Anime is not enough to personally provoke carnal urges in me. Sure it may just be me simply because I am in my late 40s but even when I was younger going as far back as my early 20s, even back then sexy Anime girls really didn't appeal to me that way either. Which then I could look back to my real life adolescent years where the simple sight of incidentally even briefly seeing my 1st Girlfriends bright snow white panties would get me so excited I could hardly take it. Looking back to that time period, I don't really know if I thought of it as sexy or cute. Where most of the excitement really just came from being able to glace a peak at something I wasn't suppose to see. Although generally when it came to physical attraction in even in my teens I just simply just thought of my first girlfriend as just beautiful where there were times she would come across as extremely cute to me and other times come across as extremely sexy. Where even today I look towards my Spouse and share the same type of sentiment towards her in real life too. |
Aug 23, 2024 11:00 AM
#11
Cute Girls or Sexy Girls?" I'll go for both |
Aug 23, 2024 11:18 AM
#12
I just want a sexy milf with big ass and boobs big enough to breastfeed me while she giving me a handjob and i am touching his other boobs with my hand? Goodbye. |
Aug 23, 2024 11:39 AM
#13
Aug 23, 2024 12:06 PM
#14
Reply to Roktim583A
Cute Girls or Sexy Girls?"
I'll go for both
I'll go for both
Same here, plus a girl can be both cute and sexy. |
Aug 23, 2024 12:25 PM
#15
It's an impossible choice. All have their merits. |
Aug 23, 2024 12:45 PM
#16
Cute girls can be sexy though. These two things dont contradict eachother. |
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Aug 23, 2024 2:55 PM
#17
Anime's cute characters are usually quite horrible. |
Kimochi Warui |
Aug 23, 2024 3:19 PM
#19
Both. The two are not mutually exclusive, you know. LOL |
Aug 23, 2024 4:11 PM
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Aug 23, 2024 7:16 PM
#21
Aug 23, 2024 9:04 PM
#22
I Like sexy ass kicking women, with gown up physique and confident voice.. |
Aug 23, 2024 9:16 PM
#23
Reply to Anjuro
My 2 cents. Cute vs sexy is not an age thing, you have the capacity to like both at any age (after you start puberty, before that presumably you don't understand the concept of "sexy"). As evidence for this claim I ask you to think about how you may have felt about a potential teenage crush. This might not be a universal experience, but at least in the rare instances that I've had a crush on someone, it was not really sexual, its more like a pure infatuation. But of course simultaneously, there may be other girls that you find attractive in a sexual way, but the crush is different somehow.
Now one thing I don't know is whether both feelings can come from the same person, I have heard that apparently its very rare, and that its just one of those unrealistic expectations we've built up that one person can be everything at once (your smoking mistress, a good mother, loving and caring housewife etc. ) but I guess it doesn't really matter for this point.
All that being said, I think generally speaking cute beats sexy, because you form more of an attachment to cute things. That being said, most characters have a little bit of both in them and there are other factors at play as well such as personality and what happens in the story so its hard to really say.
Now one thing I don't know is whether both feelings can come from the same person, I have heard that apparently its very rare, and that its just one of those unrealistic expectations we've built up that one person can be everything at once (your smoking mistress, a good mother, loving and caring housewife etc. ) but I guess it doesn't really matter for this point.
All that being said, I think generally speaking cute beats sexy, because you form more of an attachment to cute things. That being said, most characters have a little bit of both in them and there are other factors at play as well such as personality and what happens in the story so its hard to really say.
@Anjuro This is really well stated and I agree. It's interesting to think about the difference between those feelings and it's definitely possible to get both from the same person because I've felt that way before but I couldn't tell you why. I think being able to see those different aspects in a person makes them more suitable as a partner, though. On the main topic, my preference is cute for sure, but cute can be sexy with the right situation/clothing/etc. |
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Aug 23, 2024 9:49 PM
#24
Reply to SawronZXZ
@Anjuro This is really well stated and I agree. It's interesting to think about the difference between those feelings and it's definitely possible to get both from the same person because I've felt that way before but I couldn't tell you why. I think being able to see those different aspects in a person makes them more suitable as a partner, though.
On the main topic, my preference is cute for sure, but cute can be sexy with the right situation/clothing/etc.
On the main topic, my preference is cute for sure, but cute can be sexy with the right situation/clothing/etc.
@SawronZXZ It is certainly interesting. It's kinda hard to quantify because how you view that person is in constant flux. A crush is fundamentally a feeling that cannot be maintained as you enter a relationship with someone, because on some level it feeds off the expectations of what that person is like in your mind and not what they are actually like. So I think as you get to know them better your feelings towards them coalesce to either romantic or sexual attraction (or perhaps they vanish entirely as you realize the person was not who you thought they were). I think perhaps there is a sort of hierarchy here where romantic attraction can be translated to sexual attraction but not the other way around (I am kinda using romantic feelings as a stand in for "cute", I know its not exactly the same thing, but I think its kind of in the same zip code so to speak). But I do think there must be some conflict between cute and sexy. Like for example, I feel like a person that is sexual to you demands respect, in some way you have acknowledged them, whereas viewing them as cute is a more noncommittal form of attraction, in a way you may not be taking them so seriously. As an imperfect analogy, I kinda view it as the difference between how you treat your child/pet vs your lover, I suppose in that case the lover is an equal whereas the child/pet is someone lower in the hierarchy so to speak, but I do think that fundamentally you cannot view a cute person the same as a sexy person. |
Aug 24, 2024 6:03 AM
#25
Reply to Anjuro
@SawronZXZ It is certainly interesting. It's kinda hard to quantify because how you view that person is in constant flux. A crush is fundamentally a feeling that cannot be maintained as you enter a relationship with someone, because on some level it feeds off the expectations of what that person is like in your mind and not what they are actually like. So I think as you get to know them better your feelings towards them coalesce to either romantic or sexual attraction (or perhaps they vanish entirely as you realize the person was not who you thought they were). I think perhaps there is a sort of hierarchy here where romantic attraction can be translated to sexual attraction but not the other way around (I am kinda using romantic feelings as a stand in for "cute", I know its not exactly the same thing, but I think its kind of in the same zip code so to speak).
But I do think there must be some conflict between cute and sexy. Like for example, I feel like a person that is sexual to you demands respect, in some way you have acknowledged them, whereas viewing them as cute is a more noncommittal form of attraction, in a way you may not be taking them so seriously. As an imperfect analogy, I kinda view it as the difference between how you treat your child/pet vs your lover, I suppose in that case the lover is an equal whereas the child/pet is someone lower in the hierarchy so to speak, but I do think that fundamentally you cannot view a cute person the same as a sexy person.
But I do think there must be some conflict between cute and sexy. Like for example, I feel like a person that is sexual to you demands respect, in some way you have acknowledged them, whereas viewing them as cute is a more noncommittal form of attraction, in a way you may not be taking them so seriously. As an imperfect analogy, I kinda view it as the difference between how you treat your child/pet vs your lover, I suppose in that case the lover is an equal whereas the child/pet is someone lower in the hierarchy so to speak, but I do think that fundamentally you cannot view a cute person the same as a sexy person.
@Anjuro uhh, my friend.... This post was intended as an anime centered one, so to speak. But I actually agree, tho. Of course, as my stance, I think that Cuteness is something that arises from the feeling of a need to protect someone, which is totally different from its Sexual counterpart, which promotes unleashing your inner carnal desires over someone else. They may have the same feeling, but most commonly it isn't and thus a commonly accepted practice is to suppress that desire within yourself and wait until it extinguishes. Its debatable whether this practice is correct or not, however. (and not downright wrong) We know that both can overlap in theory, but as I think that is not the case. At a single point in time, you cannot think of someone as both; u always choose one. (almost like those instantaneous and average things in physics lol) As for long term, u decide for yourself how you view that person. And if you think its a 50-50, cuteness wins since you don't want to feel complicated and have doubts within yourself, and since thoughts of the second emotion are basically condemned by the society, you go with the first option. ---Anomalies Always Exist--- It can also be interpreted as Cuteness is something which can be linked to a purer form of Love. Of course, ugly turns are something that can surface anywhere, but the base form is undoubtably pure. Thats how I view them, at the very least. |
Aug 24, 2024 6:26 AM
#26
Choices are for children Adults take all why settle for less !! SHOOT FOR THE STARS!!! ALL HAIL ANIME but for real it also depends if there cute but annoying who cares how they look inner characters more important i know what you mean but to me eye candy is eye candy i have cared less and less about these things but in the END TAKE IT ALL BE THE KING IN THE CASTLE |
Aug 24, 2024 6:26 AM
#27
For those who think that characters can be both cute and sexy at same time, I personally disagree. Its because imo just exposing your skin doesn't mean its sexy like in : BBCode sucked, so its post #21 for ready reference. Here I would categorize all pics in the cute category. traed said: Cute girls can be sexy though. These two things don't contradict each other. Of course its true, I just wanted to know everyone's preference, 'in general'. Like sometimes you think and make the image of a character as cute or sexy. For example you watch an anime and think of that character as cute or sexy, but in between you think of them as "heyy, that's [cute/sexy], I guess they're going in this direction nowww". And at the end of the show, u have a strong opinion of them, based on some scenes at the back of your mind. Or something along those lines. Sheol01 said: Both. The two are not mutually exclusive, you know. LOL Btw, don't choose both, if possible, since most of us feel that way. I also feel that big boobs=sexy and small ones=cute (debatable obviously), so my views are most probably biased. Idk and idc. |
Vamp_LordAug 24, 2024 6:34 AM
Aug 24, 2024 7:42 AM
#28
Reply to Anjuro
@SawronZXZ It is certainly interesting. It's kinda hard to quantify because how you view that person is in constant flux. A crush is fundamentally a feeling that cannot be maintained as you enter a relationship with someone, because on some level it feeds off the expectations of what that person is like in your mind and not what they are actually like. So I think as you get to know them better your feelings towards them coalesce to either romantic or sexual attraction (or perhaps they vanish entirely as you realize the person was not who you thought they were). I think perhaps there is a sort of hierarchy here where romantic attraction can be translated to sexual attraction but not the other way around (I am kinda using romantic feelings as a stand in for "cute", I know its not exactly the same thing, but I think its kind of in the same zip code so to speak).
But I do think there must be some conflict between cute and sexy. Like for example, I feel like a person that is sexual to you demands respect, in some way you have acknowledged them, whereas viewing them as cute is a more noncommittal form of attraction, in a way you may not be taking them so seriously. As an imperfect analogy, I kinda view it as the difference between how you treat your child/pet vs your lover, I suppose in that case the lover is an equal whereas the child/pet is someone lower in the hierarchy so to speak, but I do think that fundamentally you cannot view a cute person the same as a sexy person.
But I do think there must be some conflict between cute and sexy. Like for example, I feel like a person that is sexual to you demands respect, in some way you have acknowledged them, whereas viewing them as cute is a more noncommittal form of attraction, in a way you may not be taking them so seriously. As an imperfect analogy, I kinda view it as the difference between how you treat your child/pet vs your lover, I suppose in that case the lover is an equal whereas the child/pet is someone lower in the hierarchy so to speak, but I do think that fundamentally you cannot view a cute person the same as a sexy person.
@Anjuro I don't necessarily agree with you here. In my experience if I'm genuinely interested beyond what someone looks like even as a crush the feelings increase after getting to know them. There is something to be said for the "honeymoon phase" of relationships, sure but that doesn't necessarily mean your feelings will transform into one or the other. I would argue it's actually more common to start as a physical attraction and then in the course of getting to know someone romantic feelings start to develop, but I believe these feed into and enhance each other rather than competing (assuming you keep developing the connection with that person in a positive way and the people are compatible). I know you use romantic in place of cute here, but cute can mean different things and I don't think a romantic attraction should be equated to something that tends to be more physically centered (the idea of "cute or "sexy"). As for your second point, there is at least a difference between the two, but I don't agree either that cute is more noncomittal (sexual interest can be just as noncomittal, if the person is not interested in anything besides that). I think of them as different but equal forms of attraction (aesthetic vs sexual). It's easily possible to trend in either direction based on clothing, for example. Black lace lingerie vs a nightgown, or bikini armor vs a fancy dress. These slightly change your perception of a person to trend in a certain direction. So I would ask this: take a character you think is "sexy," and put them in a traditionally "cute" outfit. Do you lower them in the hierarchy of your mind? If anything I think it just deepens the appreciation that I have for them. |
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Aug 24, 2024 8:28 AM
#29
Vamp_Lord said: Of course its true, I just wanted to know everyone's preference, 'in general'. Like sometimes you think and make the image of a character as cute or sexy. For example you watch an anime and think of that character as cute or sexy, but in between you think of them as "heyy, that's [cute/sexy], I guess they're going in this direction nowww". And at the end of the show, u have a strong opinion of them, based on some scenes at the back of your mind. Or something along those lines. But there is also looks vs behavior which can mix too Cute / sexy looks + cute / sexy behavior. Kind of hard to choose one over the others. It's not like some moe character has more or less depth than an erodere. These kinds of characters compliment eachother when together providing contrast but if not together they can be their own contrast mixing traits. I think a bit of both is good. |
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Aug 24, 2024 8:32 AM
#30
Reply to Vamp_Lord
@Anjuro uhh, my friend.... This post was intended as an anime centered one, so to speak.
But I actually agree, tho. Of course, as my stance, I think that Cuteness is something that arises from the feeling of a need to protect someone, which is totally different from its Sexual counterpart, which promotes unleashing your inner carnal desires over someone else. They may have the same feeling, but most commonly it isn't and thus a commonly accepted practice is to suppress that desire within yourself and wait until it extinguishes. Its debatable whether this practice is correct or not, however. (and not downright wrong)
We know that both can overlap in theory, but as I think that is not the case. At a single point in time, you cannot think of someone as both; u always choose one. (almost like those instantaneous and average things in physics lol) As for long term, u decide for yourself how you view that person. And if you think its a 50-50, cuteness wins since you don't want to feel complicated and have doubts within yourself, and since thoughts of the second emotion are basically condemned by the society, you go with the first option. ---Anomalies Always Exist---
It can also be interpreted as Cuteness is something which can be linked to a purer form of Love. Of course, ugly turns are something that can surface anywhere, but the base form is undoubtably pure.
Thats how I view them, at the very least.
But I actually agree, tho. Of course, as my stance, I think that Cuteness is something that arises from the feeling of a need to protect someone, which is totally different from its Sexual counterpart, which promotes unleashing your inner carnal desires over someone else. They may have the same feeling, but most commonly it isn't and thus a commonly accepted practice is to suppress that desire within yourself and wait until it extinguishes. Its debatable whether this practice is correct or not, however. (and not downright wrong)
We know that both can overlap in theory, but as I think that is not the case. At a single point in time, you cannot think of someone as both; u always choose one. (almost like those instantaneous and average things in physics lol) As for long term, u decide for yourself how you view that person. And if you think its a 50-50, cuteness wins since you don't want to feel complicated and have doubts within yourself, and since thoughts of the second emotion are basically condemned by the society, you go with the first option. ---Anomalies Always Exist---
It can also be interpreted as Cuteness is something which can be linked to a purer form of Love. Of course, ugly turns are something that can surface anywhere, but the base form is undoubtably pure.
Thats how I view them, at the very least.
@Vamp_Lord I wouldn't go so far as to say cuteness is a purer form of love even. There is a difference between "unleashing your inner carnal desire over someone else" or with someone else. Sexual attraction or interest is not inherently "impure" unless you only desire to use them for your own self-gratification in my opinion, and while this is generally only a side effect of the "sexy" side, you can certainly selfishly desire cuteness in an impure way as well. Even following the "cuteness comes from wanting to protect" line of argument, people who keep their children sheltered from the world are a good example of this. I have to disagree that you cannot hold both in your perception at once; as personally I've had plenty of moments with people in the past where the two overlap. Whether that means I'm an outlier or just good at seeing multiple perspectives I couldn't say, but I would encourage anyone to try to see both at once (though generally this will mean trying to see the cute side of sexy rather than the other way around). All of that said, I don't even know if I would say you're right about suppressing the desire. Obviously it depends on how strong it is (we don't go around assaulting people, generally), but consider approaching someone who you are attracted to. Setting aside how terrifying it is, plenty of people do this and it is commonly accepted practice as well. I don't consider this to be a suppresion of desire but rather a socially acceptable behavior driven by it. While it's true that if this behavior doesn't result in the satisfying of the desire it's usually set aside, this is different from supression. Vamp_Lord said: As for long term, u decide for yourself how you view that person. And if you think its a 50-50, cuteness wins since you don't want to feel complicated and have doubts within yourself, and since thoughts of the second emotion are basically condemned by the society, you go with the first option. This would massively depend on the kind of relationship you have with the person, the circumstances and the surrounding culture. At least in the west polyamorous and open relationships have become more common, so it's more likely that people will explore those options. There are circumstances in which people will have an emotional aversion to the idea of a sexual attraction of certain kinds, yes, and so you would be more likely to consciously choose to supress those feelings and behave in such a way. However, that doesn't mean those feelings no longer exist, they're just suppressed. Doesn't the whole idea of 50/50 in the first place concede that you can feel both at once? traed said: Kind of hard to choose one over the others. It's not like some moe character has more or less depth than an erodere. These kinds of characters compliment eachother when together providing contrast but if not together they can be their own contrast mixing traits. I think a bit of both is good. Exactly. This is the the whole point of "gap moe" in the first place. |
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Aug 24, 2024 10:07 AM
#31
Aug 24, 2024 11:34 AM
#32
Aug 24, 2024 1:38 PM
#33
Well damn Man, make it hard for me. It really depends on personality. She could be the sexiest design you could imagine, but if she is a tsundere forget it! I have a slight bias towards cute. Damn, I flip a coin! OK, sexy wins if its not too over done. Something like Jahy's adult form might be my ideal. |
Aug 24, 2024 1:43 PM
#34
Well damn Man, make it hard for me. It really depends on personality. She could be the sexiest design you could imagine, but if she is a tsundere forget it! I have a slight bias towards cute. Damn, I flip a coin! OK, sexy wins if its not too over done. Something like Jahy's adult form might be my ideal. |
Aug 24, 2024 7:01 PM
#35
Says 2 tendencies but mentions three. It's sus that you say it changed your views "forever". It sounds like horseshit to me. |
Aug 24, 2024 10:08 PM
#36
Reply to SuperAdventure
Says 2 tendencies but mentions three. It's sus that you say it changed your views "forever". It sounds like horseshit to me.
@SuperAdventure well maybe I exaggerated a bit hehe. Don't go word by word :) But its true that I think that most of the time now that I watch anime. So "forever" is like a frequency measure here. |
Aug 24, 2024 10:11 PM
#37
Reply to SawronZXZ
@Anjuro I don't necessarily agree with you here. In my experience if I'm genuinely interested beyond what someone looks like even as a crush the feelings increase after getting to know them. There is something to be said for the "honeymoon phase" of relationships, sure but that doesn't necessarily mean your feelings will transform into one or the other. I would argue it's actually more common to start as a physical attraction and then in the course of getting to know someone romantic feelings start to develop, but I believe these feed into and enhance each other rather than competing (assuming you keep developing the connection with that person in a positive way and the people are compatible). I know you use romantic in place of cute here, but cute can mean different things and I don't think a romantic attraction should be equated to something that tends to be more physically centered (the idea of "cute or "sexy").
As for your second point, there is at least a difference between the two, but I don't agree either that cute is more noncomittal (sexual interest can be just as noncomittal, if the person is not interested in anything besides that). I think of them as different but equal forms of attraction (aesthetic vs sexual). It's easily possible to trend in either direction based on clothing, for example. Black lace lingerie vs a nightgown, or bikini armor vs a fancy dress. These slightly change your perception of a person to trend in a certain direction. So I would ask this: take a character you think is "sexy," and put them in a traditionally "cute" outfit. Do you lower them in the hierarchy of your mind? If anything I think it just deepens the appreciation that I have for them.
As for your second point, there is at least a difference between the two, but I don't agree either that cute is more noncomittal (sexual interest can be just as noncomittal, if the person is not interested in anything besides that). I think of them as different but equal forms of attraction (aesthetic vs sexual). It's easily possible to trend in either direction based on clothing, for example. Black lace lingerie vs a nightgown, or bikini armor vs a fancy dress. These slightly change your perception of a person to trend in a certain direction. So I would ask this: take a character you think is "sexy," and put them in a traditionally "cute" outfit. Do you lower them in the hierarchy of your mind? If anything I think it just deepens the appreciation that I have for them.
@SawronZXZ Well I am coming at this from a point of view of relative ignorance, I just find it very hard to conceptualize feeling both at the same time because I feel like there is some conflict between the 2. If we are talking more about romantic vs sexual attraction, ignoring cuteness for the time being, I think you are right that a common way it happens is first you have the sexual attraction and then you get the romance down the line. To be honest, I simply don't know what the truth is, but it is often joked about that "the day you get married is the last day you'll have sex in your life", which is a whole other can of worms but in my mind I have kinda of gotten the impression that there is an antagonistic relationship between sexual attraction and long term bonding. For example, I often hear that spontaneity and excitement is important to maintain a successful sex life, and that does almost seem like the opposite of long term bonding, a state where after a while you know your partner better than they know themselves and things are quite predictable. It must be stressed, this discussion is above my paygrade lol, I don't know what I'm talking about, this is some vibe based pseudoscience and guesswork. Getting back to the cuteness vs sexual attraction point, I think maybe non-commital is not really the right word here. I couldn't really come up with the word I wanted, maybe "casual" is closer to what I was looking for. Like basically what I'm saying is in some way when a person comes along that ticks all the right boxes for you sexually you cannot help but take them seriously, but a cute person is kinda just someone that is nice to look at. Btw, I am trying to isolate the personal bonding aspect from that statement, I'm not going so far as to say its physically impossible to take a cute person seriously or that if the sexy person tells you they are an antivaxxer flat earther that your opinion of them won't diminish, in my opinion that's besides the point. The way I am thinking about it, you have a biological desire to find a mate, that is why on some level finding someone who you view as sexually attractive is a big deal, whereas there's not really a biological protocol when it comes to cute people, generally speaking cute things are defined by juvenile characteristics, so there is an inherent association between cuteness and immaturity. So I have to disagree with you on the point that the two attractions are equal, however, I think you are also confusing the point by referring to cute attraction as aesthetic attraction, because I actually agree that aesthetic attraction is equal to sexual attraction at least on a surface level (probably it depends a lot on the persons priorities which is going to be prioritized). I think you raise an interesting point with the clothing. The part I am sort of mulling over here is whether there is a difference between inherent sexiness/cuteness vs artificial ones e.g. due to make-up, clothes etc. I'm inclined to believe that there is, and that by and large, only the inherent aspects matter for your ultimate perception of that person. If I take a character that I consider sexy and put them in a cute outfit, like say one of those super baggy clothes, I don't think that changes my perception of them (although I think I would have no trouble saying they look cute), conversely I find it hard to imagine a cute character becoming sexy based on something extraneous like clothes and makeup, call me crazy, but I'm not even sure they become sexier as a result, maybe its a case by case thing but hearkening back to what I said about there being a cute<sexy hierarchy where sexy things can be cute but not the other way around, I think once you deem that someone is not sexually attractive, its very hard to overturn that verdict. But I think this thought experiment does clearly show that the two feelings can coexist at the very least. This is sort of starting to smell like a fidelity issue, i.e. the concepts are more complex than just "cute" and "sexy" and so when you start thinking about them deeply you sometimes come to contradictory conclusions, exactly because the model of understanding them is too simplistic. |
Aug 28, 2024 3:21 PM
#38
Reply to Anjuro
@SawronZXZ Well I am coming at this from a point of view of relative ignorance, I just find it very hard to conceptualize feeling both at the same time because I feel like there is some conflict between the 2. If we are talking more about romantic vs sexual attraction, ignoring cuteness for the time being, I think you are right that a common way it happens is first you have the sexual attraction and then you get the romance down the line. To be honest, I simply don't know what the truth is, but it is often joked about that "the day you get married is the last day you'll have sex in your life", which is a whole other can of worms but in my mind I have kinda of gotten the impression that there is an antagonistic relationship between sexual attraction and long term bonding. For example, I often hear that spontaneity and excitement is important to maintain a successful sex life, and that does almost seem like the opposite of long term bonding, a state where after a while you know your partner better than they know themselves and things are quite predictable. It must be stressed, this discussion is above my paygrade lol, I don't know what I'm talking about, this is some vibe based pseudoscience and guesswork.
Getting back to the cuteness vs sexual attraction point, I think maybe non-commital is not really the right word here. I couldn't really come up with the word I wanted, maybe "casual" is closer to what I was looking for. Like basically what I'm saying is in some way when a person comes along that ticks all the right boxes for you sexually you cannot help but take them seriously, but a cute person is kinda just someone that is nice to look at. Btw, I am trying to isolate the personal bonding aspect from that statement, I'm not going so far as to say its physically impossible to take a cute person seriously or that if the sexy person tells you they are an antivaxxer flat earther that your opinion of them won't diminish, in my opinion that's besides the point. The way I am thinking about it, you have a biological desire to find a mate, that is why on some level finding someone who you view as sexually attractive is a big deal, whereas there's not really a biological protocol when it comes to cute people, generally speaking cute things are defined by juvenile characteristics, so there is an inherent association between cuteness and immaturity.
So I have to disagree with you on the point that the two attractions are equal, however, I think you are also confusing the point by referring to cute attraction as aesthetic attraction, because I actually agree that aesthetic attraction is equal to sexual attraction at least on a surface level (probably it depends a lot on the persons priorities which is going to be prioritized).
I think you raise an interesting point with the clothing. The part I am sort of mulling over here is whether there is a difference between inherent sexiness/cuteness vs artificial ones e.g. due to make-up, clothes etc. I'm inclined to believe that there is, and that by and large, only the inherent aspects matter for your ultimate perception of that person. If I take a character that I consider sexy and put them in a cute outfit, like say one of those super baggy clothes, I don't think that changes my perception of them (although I think I would have no trouble saying they look cute), conversely I find it hard to imagine a cute character becoming sexy based on something extraneous like clothes and makeup, call me crazy, but I'm not even sure they become sexier as a result, maybe its a case by case thing but hearkening back to what I said about there being a cute<sexy hierarchy where sexy things can be cute but not the other way around, I think once you deem that someone is not sexually attractive, its very hard to overturn that verdict. But I think this thought experiment does clearly show that the two feelings can coexist at the very least. This is sort of starting to smell like a fidelity issue, i.e. the concepts are more complex than just "cute" and "sexy" and so when you start thinking about them deeply you sometimes come to contradictory conclusions, exactly because the model of understanding them is too simplistic.
Getting back to the cuteness vs sexual attraction point, I think maybe non-commital is not really the right word here. I couldn't really come up with the word I wanted, maybe "casual" is closer to what I was looking for. Like basically what I'm saying is in some way when a person comes along that ticks all the right boxes for you sexually you cannot help but take them seriously, but a cute person is kinda just someone that is nice to look at. Btw, I am trying to isolate the personal bonding aspect from that statement, I'm not going so far as to say its physically impossible to take a cute person seriously or that if the sexy person tells you they are an antivaxxer flat earther that your opinion of them won't diminish, in my opinion that's besides the point. The way I am thinking about it, you have a biological desire to find a mate, that is why on some level finding someone who you view as sexually attractive is a big deal, whereas there's not really a biological protocol when it comes to cute people, generally speaking cute things are defined by juvenile characteristics, so there is an inherent association between cuteness and immaturity.
So I have to disagree with you on the point that the two attractions are equal, however, I think you are also confusing the point by referring to cute attraction as aesthetic attraction, because I actually agree that aesthetic attraction is equal to sexual attraction at least on a surface level (probably it depends a lot on the persons priorities which is going to be prioritized).
I think you raise an interesting point with the clothing. The part I am sort of mulling over here is whether there is a difference between inherent sexiness/cuteness vs artificial ones e.g. due to make-up, clothes etc. I'm inclined to believe that there is, and that by and large, only the inherent aspects matter for your ultimate perception of that person. If I take a character that I consider sexy and put them in a cute outfit, like say one of those super baggy clothes, I don't think that changes my perception of them (although I think I would have no trouble saying they look cute), conversely I find it hard to imagine a cute character becoming sexy based on something extraneous like clothes and makeup, call me crazy, but I'm not even sure they become sexier as a result, maybe its a case by case thing but hearkening back to what I said about there being a cute<sexy hierarchy where sexy things can be cute but not the other way around, I think once you deem that someone is not sexually attractive, its very hard to overturn that verdict. But I think this thought experiment does clearly show that the two feelings can coexist at the very least. This is sort of starting to smell like a fidelity issue, i.e. the concepts are more complex than just "cute" and "sexy" and so when you start thinking about them deeply you sometimes come to contradictory conclusions, exactly because the model of understanding them is too simplistic.
@Anjuro I get where you're coming from. I don't know if they're necessarily in conflict but the two can certainly have some dissonance with each other depending on how you look at it. I couldn't say what the truth is exactly either but from my experience at least, having had a few serious long-term relationships, was that it depends on the person. I wouldn't take that statement at face value. For me understanding someone on a deeper level, because we were compatible, made me more attracted to them, not less. Sponteneity and excitement is important, but rather than being about bonding and attraction, my impression is that it's more likely about routine or stress (the biggest probably being having kids). So rather than an issue of predictablility it's an issue of mundanity. If you start seeing someone every day you'll be excited at first but eventually get used to it. The same can be said for anything else. What you're talking about sounds more like what I mentioned as the end of the "honeymoon phase" where you start to see the person for who they are instead of with rose-colored glasses. It also makes sense that from a biological perspective, having multiple partners is preferable to just one, so you'll naturally be more attracted to the new and different. Anjuro said: The way I am thinking about it, you have a biological desire to find a mate, that is why on some level finding someone who you view as sexually attractive is a big deal, whereas there's not really a biological protocol when it comes to cute people I agree with you here. From purely a non-commital standpoint (or "casual" if you prefer) I would say you'd generally look for those that are sexually attractive to you. The question is, how far beyond "casual" have we as a species evolved? We are primates and as such look to bond as well, so how much of the "casual"-ness actually disguised desire to bond? In this sense at least I think, if "cute" means the desire to bond nurture and protect, then we also look for mates who arouse this desire as it satisfies our desire to pair-bond. Granted there are different kinds of bonds, but there are also different kinds of cute. I think this is where we encounter the fidelity issue you mentioned. [As an aside, there is also a (albeit probably lesser, I'm not a behavioral scientist) biological imperative for cute things in the form of stress relief and comfort. People often have the urge to cuddle cute things; cuddling as a practice is generally comforting and reduces stress. That said, it can be both sexual and non-sexual.] Edit: Thinking about it more, it seems likely that we are more attracted to "sexy" when our priority is reproduction/mating and possibly more attracted to "cute" if our priority is long-term bonding or a relationship with deeper meaning (potentially related to the label of so-called "girlfriend/boyfriend material" under which more exhaustive qualities are considered as well). However, like all preferences (conscious or not) and the rest of the discussion, it seems this probably also varies quite a bit based on the person. If you say aesthetic attraction is equal to sexual attraction, then how do you categorize cuteness? Is it a separate category (that you called cute attraction)? Is it a branch of another? For the clothing discussion, I would say it's a case by case basis. Some cute characters will stay cute no matter what they're wearing, while some sexy characters stay sexy. Anjuro said: I'm inclined to believe that there is, and that by and large, only the inherent aspects matter for your ultimate perception of that person. I agree with this to the extent that it's difficult to change your perception once an impression (or decision) is made. I also think it's much more likely easier to change your perception or allow for the addition of thinking of a sexy character as cute rather than the other way around, as we generally write off those to whom we aren't attracted initially. That said, as I mentioned before the idea of "gap moe" can be used as a great example of the opposite (a character you viewed as cute has an unexpectedly sexy side and so on). |
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