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If anything, these two series taught me that just because you have well-written female characters who are not sexualized and have huge agency in their own stories doesn't mean they will have a big female audience.

I recently saw this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2124723

What do you think about this statement? this thread proves my statement.
What's the reason behind this low female viewership?
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MAL is a sausagefest 75% males https://myanimelist.net/advertising
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Idk about well written or not sexualised female characters in chainsaw man, I didn't finish it but that's certainly the opposite impression than I got. Maybe by mainstream shounen standards but not compared to like, literally anything else.

edit: it's also not particularly low female viewership, as someone else pointed out, mal is 75% male user base.
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Jan 2, 2024 6:31 AM
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CSM and not sexualized women? Haha, joke of the year...
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The lack of common sense in this post makes me lose braincells
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Dunno why people are thinking that women tend to flock to female characters. It's not true. It probably came from this misconception, that representation is more important than good writing.
Banana Fish has a shoujo tag and Gojo has so many fangirls for a reason, you know.
Jan 2, 2024 6:56 AM
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Half of Denji's personality in csm anime is sexualising women
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Half of Denji's personality in csm anime is sexualising women
@MrBoomTop10Anime Kinda, He does eventually learn the importance of platonic intimacy over sexual gratification. He knows what consent means
Jan 2, 2024 7:05 AM
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chainsaw man is hella sexual dude. The female characters are very well written and just great characters, but I dropped the show when I first started because I felt uncomfortable. It was like bloodier, hornier, edgier, standard shonen (then I read the manga and now I love it because it makes the beginning good when you know where it's going)

Also I think men are
1. very generalized, but bigger weebs and there's more if them, ESPECIALLY on MAL
2. more willing to try every genre (or just much more obsessed with anime to the point they'll watch every anime in a season)


From what I've seen most female viewers of Frieren have enjoyed it
Jan 2, 2024 8:55 AM
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CSM and not sexualized women? Haha, joke of the year...

their "sexualizing" at least serves a purpose and actually moves the story in some way and not just dumb fanservice
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Sanjay63773 said:
If anything, these two series taught me that just because you have well-written female characters who are not sexualized and have huge agency in their own stories doesn't mean they will have a big female audience.

I recently saw this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2124723

What do you think about this statement? this thread proves my statement.
What's the reason behind this low female viewership?

Aww no shit sherlock

Maybe it's cuz most people (men and women) don't give a shit whether the MC is female, or whether tits and ass are shown or not, they just care about if they like the story and/or characters and will watch those they are interested in
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ktg said:
CSM and not sexualized women? Haha, joke of the year...

their "sexualizing" at least serves a purpose and actually moves the story in some way and not just dumb fanservice

Because that's how the MC was written, but the MC could have been written differently. This is actually a bad excuse.
But it actually doesn't matter. OP's take was that it is not sexualized in CSM. That's simply not true.
Jan 2, 2024 10:13 AM
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But Chainsaw Man sexualize their woman all the time.
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ktg said:
1Toxic2 said:

their "sexualizing" at least serves a purpose and actually moves the story in some way and not just dumb fanservice

Because that's how the MC was written, but the MC could have been written differently. This is actually a bad excuse.
But it actually doesn't matter. OP's take was that it is not sexualized in CSM. That's simply not true.

it could've but it didn't , because this is simply the kind of story where the mc is just a down bad teenager he's not some kid who's thinking about saving people , doing all other sort of "morally correct stuff" ig ? and that's what makes him memorable and relatable , but yeah his point of csm girls not being sexualized is just false lol , though it might not be bad with such stories . so yeah i just wanted to make that clear
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Frieren yes, CSM no, have you even watched it? It undeniably does sexualise some of its female characters.
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Sanjay63773 said:
If anything, these two series taught me that just because you have well-written female characters who are not sexualized and have huge agency in their own stories doesn't mean they will have a big female audience.

I recently saw this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2124723

What do you think about this statement? this thread proves my statement.
What's the reason behind this low female viewership

Sanjay Bhai tum dimaag se paidal waidal ho kya? Chainsaw Man aur Frieren ka apas mein kya lena dena. Kuch bhi thread bana dete ho.
Jan 2, 2024 10:52 AM

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You're telling me there's no hot springs chapter in Frieren? ):
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You're telling me there's no hot springs chapter in Frieren? ):
@Neterosan Actually Frieren could use a hot springs ep, poor Frieren is freezing her butt off in the snowy mountains
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ktg said:

Because that's how the MC was written, but the MC could have been written differently. This is actually a bad excuse.
But it actually doesn't matter. OP's take was that it is not sexualized in CSM. That's simply not true.

it could've but it didn't , because this is simply the kind of story where the mc is just a down bad teenager he's not some kid who's thinking about saving people , doing all other sort of "morally correct stuff" ig ? and that's what makes him memorable and relatable , but yeah his point of csm girls not being sexualized is just false lol , though it might not be bad with such stories . so yeah i just wanted to make that clear

If you can relate to him, then you have problems. Because that's the kind of simplicity that alienates him from normal viewers. It's like saying that you relate to the dog in InuHiro. Denji several times was portrayed as a dog and you relate to a dog, at least that's what you said there.
And tbh, I wouldn't call him memorable either, because - like I said - he is simple as an NPC like every second shounen MC without any real depth. This is another show where the supporting characters are more memorable than the main one.
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ktg said:

Because that's how the MC was written, but the MC could have been written differently. This is actually a bad excuse.
But it actually doesn't matter. OP's take was that it is not sexualized in CSM. That's simply not true.

it could've but it didn't , because this is simply the kind of story where the mc is just a down bad teenager he's not some kid who's thinking about saving people , doing all other sort of "morally correct stuff" ig ? and that's what makes him memorable and relatable , but yeah his point of csm girls not being sexualized is just false lol , though it might not be bad with such stories . so yeah i just wanted to make that clear

If you can relate to him, then you have problems. Because that's the kind of simplicity that alienates him from normal viewers. It's like saying that you relate to the dog in InuHiro. Denji several times was portrayed as a dog and you relate to a dog, at least that's what you said there.
And tbh, I wouldn't call him memorable either, because - like I said - he is simple as an NPC like every second shounen MC without any real depth. This is another show where the supporting characters are more memorable than the main one.
@ktg So Denji, who's been deprived of a childhood, never having the chance to gain any real life experiences, and is therefore extreamly naive, who's been treated so shittily his whole life to the point he thinks being treated like a dog is an act of kindness, but no, he lacks depth cuz he's also a tennager with hormones

Very nice and simplistic thought process you got there
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Sanjay63773 said:
If anything, these two series taught me that just because you have well-written female characters who are not sexualized and have huge agency in their own stories doesn't mean they will have a big female audience.

I recently saw this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2124723

What do you think about this statement? this thread proves my statement.
What's the reason behind this low female viewership?

If you think women exist in the anime community, you are mistaken
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Bolona07 said:
Sanjay63773 said:
If anything, these two series taught me that just because you have well-written female characters who are not sexualized and have huge agency in their own stories doesn't mean they will have a big female audience.

I recently saw this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2124723

What do you think about this statement? this thread proves my statement.
What's the reason behind this low female viewership?

If you think women exist in the anime community, you are mistaken

Women DO exist, they were invented by Reiji Miyajima
Jan 2, 2024 12:38 PM
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So, what's the question? Why females don't watch Frieren? 🤔
I mean... Why do you even want to separate viewers by gender? Most stupid thing ever.
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Idk about well written or not sexualised female characters in chainsaw man, I didn't finish it but that's certainly the opposite impression than I got. Maybe by mainstream shounen standards but not compared to like, literally anything else.

edit: it's also not particularly low female viewership, as someone else pointed out, mal is 75% male user base.

that’s true, makima - sexualised, power - sexualised, himeno - sexualised. Funnily enough it kinda gets worse in the manga icl
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@Neterosan Actually Frieren could use a hot springs ep, poor Frieren is freezing her butt off in the snowy mountains

thats akshually a beach 🤓
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@Neterosan Actually Frieren could use a hot springs ep, poor Frieren is freezing her butt off in the snowy mountains

thats akshually a beach 🤓
@keinboesewicht I know lol couldn't find a gif of more recent eps in actual mountains xD
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@keinboesewicht I know lol couldn't find a gif of more recent eps in actual mountains xD

well apart from the location the feeling is still accurate in this gif
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Jeevasnt said:
Bolona07 said:

If you think women exist in the anime community, you are mistaken

Women DO exist, they were invented by Reiji Miyajima

Really? Didn’t know that
Thought they only existed in genshin impact
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it could've but it didn't , because this is simply the kind of story where the mc is just a down bad teenager he's not some kid who's thinking about saving people , doing all other sort of "morally correct stuff" ig ? and that's what makes him memorable and relatable , but yeah his point of csm girls not being sexualized is just false lol , though it might not be bad with such stories . so yeah i just wanted to make that clear

If you can relate to him, then you have problems. Because that's the kind of simplicity that alienates him from normal viewers. It's like saying that you relate to the dog in InuHiro. Denji several times was portrayed as a dog and you relate to a dog, at least that's what you said there.
And tbh, I wouldn't call him memorable either, because - like I said - he is simple as an NPC like every second shounen MC without any real depth. This is another show where the supporting characters are more memorable than the main one.

listen here pal all I'm tryna say here is that denji's character writing stands out among the typical protagonist bullshit that most can't relate to .he's literally a just a normal teenage boy whos horny and doesn't really wanna do the "right thing" necessarily now when i say relate i mean most people i repeat *most* people relate to him than any typical shonen protagonist , of course denji's been psychologically destroyed and manipulated by the wrong people ,of course he would be so fucked in his head that he decides to do shit like ask makima to be her dog i mean she genuinely drove him insane .. am i saying i relate to him ? no? i haven't gone through what he's gone through of course lmao but you can see why and in which way i say i*relate* to him.. until well .. the manipulation and control that makima causes , and while it's true that some side characters are well received and loved for their writing ( only makima tbh ) denji is absolutely ome of the most unique shonen protagonists out there , you saying he has no depth is just actually a dumb statement to make .. idk what to tell ya you must've read csm blind cuz while denjis characteristics are simple ( and rare ) he has more ..MUch more depth than you think je does
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Idk about well written or not sexualised female characters in chainsaw man, I didn't finish it but that's certainly the opposite impression than I got. Maybe by mainstream shounen standards but not compared to like, literally anything else.

edit: it's also not particularly low female viewership, as someone else pointed out, mal is 75% male user base.
@Render_1

I mean, just look at the some of the cover art for CSM. It absolutely sexualises it's characters.
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literally the only thing I remember before I dropped csm was the sexualization of women lol
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Sanjay63773 said:
If anything, these two series taught me that just because you have well-written female characters who are not sexualized and have huge agency in their own stories doesn't mean they will have a big female audience.

I recently saw this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2124723

What do you think about this statement? this thread proves my statement.
What's the reason behind this low female viewership?

1. Mal does not reflect on the entirety of anime viewership.

2. Stop viewing manga/anime through western sensibility and ideologies. The Disney-strong-women pandering mindset doesn't work here.

3. Visit a local manga store, or look at what female anitubers are talking about. Or meet a female otaku friend. Maybe then you will understand what they actually enjoy.


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@MrBoomTop10Anime Kinda, He does eventually learn the importance of platonic intimacy over sexual gratification. He knows what consent means

"sexualising women" I don't think anyone was talking about intimacy and whatnot.
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Bruhh..
Female like cute girl way more than cool girl character.
Its the man that like cool badass woman.
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most of anime fans everywhere are dudes lol
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1Toxic2 said:

it could've but it didn't , because this is simply the kind of story where the mc is just a down bad teenager he's not some kid who's thinking about saving people , doing all other sort of "morally correct stuff" ig ? and that's what makes him memorable and relatable , but yeah his point of csm girls not being sexualized is just false lol , though it might not be bad with such stories . so yeah i just wanted to make that clear

If you can relate to him, then you have problems. Because that's the kind of simplicity that alienates him from normal viewers. It's like saying that you relate to the dog in InuHiro. Denji several times was portrayed as a dog and you relate to a dog, at least that's what you said there.
And tbh, I wouldn't call him memorable either, because - like I said - he is simple as an NPC like every second shounen MC without any real depth. This is another show where the supporting characters are more memorable than the main one.

listen here pal all I'm tryna say here is that denji's character writing stands out among the typical protagonist bullshit that most can't relate to .he's literally a just a normal teenage boy whos horny and doesn't really wanna do the "right thing" necessarily now when i say relate i mean most people i repeat *most* people relate to him than any typical shonen protagonist , of course denji's been psychologically destroyed and manipulated by the wrong people ,of course he would be so fucked in his head that he decides to do shit like ask makima to be her dog i mean she genuinely drove him insane .. am i saying i relate to him ? no? i haven't gone through what he's gone through of course lmao but you can see why and in which way i say i*relate* to him.. until well .. the manipulation and control that makima causes , and while it's true that some side characters are well received and loved for their writing ( only makima tbh ) denji is absolutely ome of the most unique shonen protagonists out there , you saying he has no depth is just actually a dumb statement to make .. idk what to tell ya you must've read csm blind cuz while denjis characteristics are simple ( and rare ) he has more ..MUch more depth than you think je does
@1Toxic2 Most shounen protagonists do not the right thing. The original shounen MC type is like Denji. Somewhat selfish, does what he wants etc. This new "I'm a selfless saint" type of MC in shounen is actually quite new.
Son Goku does not the the "right" thing, he just wants to be strong.
Naruto wants to be the Hokage.
Luffy wants to be the Pirate King. He even makes an argument that he does not want to be a hero, because hero shares food.
The selfless type is pretty new, like Itadori or Tanjiro. Denji follows the old type, so no, he is not unique.

Denji actually even closer to the boring, copied MCs. Denji, because of his upbringing, lacks personality, at least at this point. He does not really have goals or big dreams. He just exists. This is the same with the badly written shounen protagonists, but in that case, the author just failed to write a personality. So both characters lack personality, that's why no, Denji is not unique. I mean he is unique in the way that he was written to not have personality, but that just justifies the similarities.

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.MUch more depth than you think je does

Yes, sadly we are talking about the anime where it was not adapted yet. So we can only talk about what is adapted. And based on that, no, Denji is not unique.
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@ktg So Denji, who's been deprived of a childhood, never having the chance to gain any real life experiences, and is therefore extreamly naive, who's been treated so shittily his whole life to the point he thinks being treated like a dog is an act of kindness, but no, he lacks depth cuz he's also a tennager with hormones

Very nice and simplistic thought process you got there
@DigiCat Just because there's an explanation why he lacks personality that does not make him that different from the characters that lack personality because of the author incapability to add a plausible backstory, because at the end of the day, both characters lack personality, which makes them quite similar.
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@DigiCat Just because there's an explanation why he lacks personality that does not make him that different from the characters that lack personality because of the author incapability to add a plausible backstory, because at the end of the day, both characters lack personality, which makes them quite similar.
@ktg You have a very narrow definition of what personality is then i guess
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@ktg You have a very narrow definition of what personality is then i guess
@DigiCat Okay, I googled it for you. This is what google says: "the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character."
And this definition actually the same or similar of how I would define personality and how I analyzed Denji.
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Did you watch frieren?
look at the differences between manga and anime.

You have no idea how many weirdos wanked it to this scene.

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@DigiCat Okay, I googled it for you. This is what google says: "the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character."
And this definition actually the same or similar of how I would define personality and how I analyzed Denji.
@ktg Great, then please explain your process and what you came up with to describe Denji's personality
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Did you watch frieren?
look at the differences between manga and anime.

You have no idea how many weirdos wanked it to this scene.

@AnimeIs4Kidz My god how frustrated must one be to wank at that LFMAO

It's not even drawn to be remotely ecchi, it's a very very very tamed butt shot, i mean wanking at that would be the equivalent of wanking to a character standing with their back to the camera cuz their butt is on screen
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@AnimeIs4Kidz My god how frustrated must one be to wank at that LFMAO

It's not even drawn to be remotely ecchi, it's a very very very tamed butt shot, i mean wanking at that would be the equivalent of wanking to a character standing with their back to the camera cuz their butt is on screen
@DigiCat
it's a 100% a foot fetish scene you would find in doujins.

And you don't masturbate because you are "frustrated", you do it because you just wake up horny thanks to testosterone.
Are you 12?
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it's a 100% a foot fetish scene you would find in doujins.

And you don't masturbate because you are "frustrated", you do it because you just wake up horny thanks to testosterone.
Are you 12?
@AnimeIs4Kidz Oh you were reffering to the foot lol i mean in that case i'm pretty sure these weirdos wank any time bare feet are on screen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, yes being frustrated is one of the reasons someone might wank, just like waking up with an overload of hormones is another reason

And you seem to be the one who might not be old enough to talk about these things, cuz 1) people don't wank exclusively straight after waking up, and 2) masturbating is not exclusive to men
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@ktg Great, then please explain your process and what you came up with to describe Denji's personality
@DigiCat I did that, you ignored it. Either refute me or admit that I'm right. That's the 2 options you have.
Ok, you have a 3rd, you could act like a kid and start crying, but I would prefer if you could avoid that.
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@ktg Great, then please explain your process and what you came up with to describe Denji's personality

I would say that the best word to describe Denji is wild. This is why he gets along with Power so well. Denji is straight, honest and naive. He doesn't deceive others, he says what he thinks. He doesn't care about society norms since he was isolated from society. There was no one there to teach him.


He lacks fear. He is not brave, just lacks fear. He had to put his life in danger since early childhood and eventually it became a norm for him. Katana man doesn't understand why Denji is fighting when his life is always on the line and he gets an average life in return. But Denji doesn't see anything strange in it. Earlier he did the same only to barely survive.


Denji doesn't understand himself. Since he was struggling to survive, he hasn't gone through self-actualisation. He doesn't know what he wants. We see this when he touches Powers' boobs and realises:"That's not it. That's not what I wanted".Sure, in the beginning he was talking about getting on a date with a girl, but at the same time this wasn't something he was working for. It was an unachievable image of the ultimate success.


Denji lacks empathy. He doesn't care about people in general. Why would he? His whole life they treated him like trash. At best, someone would pay him for putting his life at risk. There always was only Denji and Pochita. No one else cared
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@DigiCat I did that, you ignored it. Either refute me or admit that I'm right. That's the 2 options you have.
Ok, you have a 3rd, you could act like a kid and start crying, but I would prefer if you could avoid that.
@ktg Hmm... act like a kid and start crying? But isn't "Either refute me or admit that I'm right" exactly something a kid who doesn't want to have a mature discussion would say?
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@ktg Great, then please explain your process and what you came up with to describe Denji's personality

I would say that the best word to describe Denji is wild. This is why he gets along with Power so well. Denji is straight, honest and naive. He doesn't deceive others, he says what he thinks. He doesn't care about society norms since he was isolated from society. There was no one there to teach him.


He lacks fear. He is not brave, just lacks fear. He had to put his life in danger since early childhood and eventually it became a norm for him. Katana man doesn't understand why Denji is fighting when his life is always on the line and he gets an average life in return. But Denji doesn't see anything strange in it. Earlier he did the same only to barely survive.


Denji doesn't understand himself. Since he was struggling to survive, he hasn't gone through self-actualisation. He doesn't know what he wants. We see this when he touches Powers' boobs and realises:"That's not it. That's not what I wanted".Sure, in the beginning he was talking about getting on a date with a girl, but at the same time this wasn't something he was working for. It was an unachievable image of the ultimate success.


Denji lacks empathy. He doesn't care about people in general. Why would he? His whole life they treated him like trash. At best, someone would pay him for putting his life at risk. There always was only Denji and Pochita. No one else cared
@WelderDark Wow that actually decribes Denji to a t, well done 👍 You deserve a cuddle from Pochita

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@ktg Hmm... act like a kid and start crying? But isn't "Either refute me or admit that I'm right" exactly something a kid who doesn't want to have a mature discussion would say?
@DigiCat So you are saying that asking for being mature and argue as an adult is actually immature? Definitely an interesting take.
Fyi, I ask for that because while I like arguing, most people tend to commit fallacies and they don't admit that they are wrong. For example, instead of refuting me, they commit a fallacy like start talking about what mature and what it isn't. :)
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@DigiCat So you are saying that asking for being mature and argue as an adult is actually immature? Definitely an interesting take.
Fyi, I ask for that because while I like arguing, most people tend to commit fallacies and they don't admit that they are wrong. For example, instead of refuting me, they commit a fallacy like start talking about what mature and what it isn't. :)
@ktg You claimed that you did describe Denji's personality after analyzing it, but all you did was claim he has none, that is not an analisys, so on that basis, yes i refute you, because you claimed you did something you didn't
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anime-prime - Mar 22, 2024

1062 by VICKY31 »»
Oct 9, 2:14 AM
It’s time to ditch the text file.
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