| So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes.  https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ |
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MadanielFL said: So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ Imagine saying the same about House of the Dragon Didn't that get a fuck ton of revenue? |
CreepHazard said: I'm not saying that CSM isn't making a lot of money. MadanielFL said: So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ Imagine saying the same about House of the Dragon Didn't that get a fuck ton of revenue? But that I just find ironic how people say streaming is what matters, when most anime fans are pirate themselves and haven't given a single cent back to the people who made the anime |
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MadanielFL said: CreepHazard said: I'm not saying that CSM isn't making a lot of money. Imagine saying the same about House of the Dragon Didn't that get a fuck ton of revenue? But that I just find ironic how people say streaming is what matters, when most anime fans are pirate themselves and haven't given a single cent back to the people who made the anime all the money happens while the show is aring only in japan so we can't do anything |
MadanielFL said: I mean, to be fair, it's not like the streaming platforms give anything back to the people who made the anime either. It's actually very difficult to get any money to them, since the real creators are just mere employees, and the people who have any ability to make money from the anime after it's aired don't need the money as much.CreepHazard said: I'm not saying that CSM isn't making a lot of money. Imagine saying the same about House of the Dragon Didn't that get a fuck ton of revenue? But that I just find ironic how people say streaming is what matters, when most anime fans are pirate themselves and haven't given a single cent back to the people who made the anime |
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Pillsbury_Uchiha said: That's not true. MadanielFL said: I'm not saying that CSM isn't making a lot of money. But that I just find ironic how people say streaming is what matters, when most anime fans are pirate themselves and haven't given a single cent back to the people who made the anime all the money happens while the show is aring only in japan so we can't do anything Crunchyroll works with royalty based licenses, so the more people who watch the show there, the more money the studio makes. zombie_pegasus said: There's a difference between supporting the show and supporting the animators who made the show. I mean, to be fair, it's not like the streaming platforms give anything back to the people who made the anime either. It's actually very difficult to get any money to them, since the real creators are just mere employees, and the people who have any ability to make money from the anime after it's aired don't need the money as much. Most animators are freelancers, meaning they don't work for any studio, they just get contracted for a specific show then they move on. However, the director, animation producer, series compositor all work for Mappa, and so they receive part of your subscription money. Not to mention if you really wanna see a sequel, then you would want to support studio Mappa since there is no production committee for this show. |
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CreepHazard said: MadanielFL said: So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ Imagine saying the same about House of the Dragon Didn't that get a fuck ton of revenue? House of the dragon aired on tv worldwide too tho, ad spots and etc. the problem with anime is it seldom airs on tv or on mainstream streaming services, and the blu ray to my knowledge has only been released in select countries vs the global release of HOTD |
| People who pirate media aren't part of the market anyway so the companies don't really lose anything. These folks won't really pay money to paid subscription service even if all forms of piracy are completely removed from existence so anime isn't really losing money from these people either. |
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King_KK said: Yeah but then the stereotype of "blood sucking pirates" is true isn't it?People who pirate media aren't part of the market anyway so the companies don't really lose anything. These folks won't really pay money to paid subscription service even if all forms of piracy are completely removed from existence so anime isn't really losing money from these people either. They only consume, never give anything back. If CSM ever gets a sequel, it's because of all the people who were watching the show legally and paying for it. Anime pirates have to rely on the people who pay for anime, so they themselves can have anime to watch. If everyone was to be a pirate, then who knows how many shows would have been cancelled. Also you can't just say "I was never gonna pay for it anyway" and then pirate something. Animators aren't doing community service for free here, they deserve to get paid. And you not supporting the industry isn't helping at all. |
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Gawdly said: They literally work with royalty based licenses, so the more people who watch the show there, the more money it makes.MadanielFL said: Yeah but then the stereotype of "blood sucking pirates" is true isn't it? They only consume, never give anything back. If CSM ever gets a sequel, it's because of all the people who were watching the show legally and paying for it. Anime pirates have to rely on the people who pay for anime, so they themselves can have anime to watch. If everyone was to be a pirate, then who knows how many shows would have been cancelled. Also you can't just say "I was never gonna pay for it anyway" and then pirate something. Animators aren't doing community service for free here, they deserve to get paid. And you not supporting the industry isn't helping at all. And us watching it on fucking crunchyroll doesn’t do shit either I see anime pirates using this claim that Crunchyroll doesn't give anything back to the industry a lot. But not once has anyone back this claim up with evidence. |
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MadanielFL said: first of all it looks like this is only from America and secondly were the fuck is stranger things? The most watched show of 2022. I dont believe this infoSo apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ |
Gawdly said: Oh see, you couldn't prove it either. MadanielFL said: They literally work with royalty based licenses, so the more people who watch the show there, the more money it makes. I see anime pirates using this claim that Crunchyroll doesn't give anything back to the industry a lot. But not once has anyone back this claim up with evidence. The reason most people pirate is because crunchyroll is garbage. Everything is region locked, there are barely any dubs and the catalog for anime is small. They put 20 ads in a single episode or you pay the overpriced monthly price and from what I have seen online. Even that only gives the actual creators only a few cents. I can’t find the source because I read those articles a while go but really we just need a better service for the west to watch anime and that will stop a lot of pirating. The only real way for an anime fan like me would be to buy dvds but that shit is too expensive. If there was a subscription for animixplay or zoro.to I would gladely pay. EVERY SINGLE TIME, they use the exact same claim: "Crunchyroll only gives back cents" Yet NEVER has anyone actually proven this. For instance the Chief Content Officer of Crunchyroll in Japan gave an interview explaining how they like to give more back to the indsutry by using the royalty licensing method, instead of the "flat fee" method. Or when the president of Wit Studio and Production I.G. said in an interview that Crunchyroll and other overseas companies were the reason why their revenues have gone up. I could also talk about the time when the CEO of Viz Media said that the price for anime licenses have only gone up over the years, meaning it's even more expensive to license anime now. But you expect me to believe that Crunchyroll is somehow undercutting anime producers, by paying them MERE CENTS?????? |
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MadanielFL said: King_KK said: Yeah but then the stereotype of "blood sucking pirates" is true isn't it?People who pirate media aren't part of the market anyway so the companies don't really lose anything. These folks won't really pay money to paid subscription service even if all forms of piracy are completely removed from existence so anime isn't really losing money from these people either. They only consume, never give anything back. If CSM ever gets a sequel, it's because of all the people who were watching the show legally and paying for it. Anime pirates have to rely on the people who pay for anime, so they themselves can have anime to watch. If everyone was to be a pirate, then who knows how many shows would have been cancelled. Also you can't just say "I was never gonna pay for it anyway" and then pirate something. Animators aren't doing community service for free here, they deserve to get paid. And you not supporting the industry isn't helping at all. I watch anime legally. I was talking in general terms. Pirates don't contribute anything to the industry and you can't really change that fact. Your comments on MAL won't make any difference. There will always be people who pirate media. My point was that it's better to ignore the pirates because they are not part of the market anyway. |
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Badguy_oncel said: You can read the full report herefirst of all it looks like this is only from America and secondly were the fuck is stranger things? The most watched show of 2022. I dont believe this info And I don't think it's just the USA, but if that's the case, then the numbers are even worse considering how much bigger piracy is outside of the USA. |
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King_KK said: Yes I understand what you are saying. MadanielFL said: Yeah but then the stereotype of "blood sucking pirates" is true isn't it? They only consume, never give anything back. If CSM ever gets a sequel, it's because of all the people who were watching the show legally and paying for it. Anime pirates have to rely on the people who pay for anime, so they themselves can have anime to watch. If everyone was to be a pirate, then who knows how many shows would have been cancelled. Also you can't just say "I was never gonna pay for it anyway" and then pirate something. Animators aren't doing community service for free here, they deserve to get paid. And you not supporting the industry isn't helping at all. I watch anime legally. I was talking in general terms. Pirates don't contribute anything to the industry and you can't really change that fact. You comments on MAL won't make any difference. There will always be people who pirate media. My point was that it's better to ignore the pirates because they are not part of the market anyway. But I'm saying that piracy can't be justified by simply saying "I was never gonna pay for it anway" I think the only good justification for anime piracy would be region locking, when you quite literally don't even have the option to watch legally. But considering that CSM was streaming on multiple platforms besides Crunchyroll, which includes Netlfix and even Hulu. I doubt the majority of people were pirating because they didn't have the option to watch legally. |
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Badguy_oncel said: MadanielFL said: first of all it looks like this is only from America and secondly were the fuck is stranger things? The most watched show of 2022. I dont believe this infoSo apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ second most and very few people pirate netflix shows since pretty much everyone and their grandma's got netflix nowadays. though, i don't fully believe this info either. |
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MadanielFL said: King_KK said: Yes I understand what you are saying. I watch anime legally. I was talking in general terms. Pirates don't contribute anything to the industry and you can't really change that fact. You comments on MAL won't make any difference. There will always be people who pirate media. My point was that it's better to ignore the pirates because they are not part of the market anyway. But I'm saying that piracy can't be justified by simply saying "I was never gonna pay for it anway" I think the only good justification for anime piracy would be region locking, when you quite literally don't even have the option to watch legally. But considering that CSM was streaming on multiple platforms besides Crunchyroll, which includes Netlfix and even Hulu. I doubt the majority of people were pirating because they didn't have the option to watch legally. I don't think their can ever be any justification for piracy. You are literally stealing media from the creators by pirating it. What's true however is that people who aren't willing to pay for media will continue stealing it and their is nothing that anybody can do about it. It's better to ignore such people and focus on people who are willing to pay for media. That's the real anime market. The pirates are just freeloaders and nothing else. |
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Badguy_oncel said: Overall anime piracy is much bigger than normal tv shows piracy. MadanielFL said: I mean it's hard to believe more people were pirating fuckimg shield hero than stranger thingsYou can read the full report here And I don't think it's just the USA, but if that's the case, then the numbers are even worse considering how much bigger piracy is outside of the USA. So I wouldn't be that surprised |
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MadanielFL said: So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ why i pirate? no availability in my language, so fansub, Crunchyroll "works" but their website isn't even translated, and overall amount of all platforms i should pay just to be able to watch all airing series is big enough that i wouldn't be able to buy food for whole month |
kahty11 said: Depending where you live, you can watch Chainsaw Man legally for free on bilibiliMadanielFL said: So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ why i pirate? no availability in my language, so fansub, Crunchyroll "works" but their website isn't even translated, and overall amount of all platforms i should pay just to be able to watch all airing series is big enough that i wouldn't be able to buy food for whole month |
MadanielFLFeb 9, 2023 10:42 PM
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MadanielFL said: CreepHazard said: I'm not saying that CSM isn't making a lot of money. Imagine saying the same about House of the Dragon Didn't that get a fuck ton of revenue? But that I just find ironic how people say streaming is what matters, when most anime fans are pirate themselves and haven't given a single cent back to the people who made the anime could've worded it better ig |
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| Is this Crunchyroll white knight clown actually trying to make a strawman agrument? *reads* Oh god, the Crunchyroll lover is actually trying to make a case that pirates are to blame lmfao. So what does people pirating a show have to do with sales of a dying, overpriced medium Bluray product produced after the show airs?  |
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MadanielFL said: Hmmm, i wonder why do i feel in my heart that it's trying to say to my brain that i shouldn't really believe this info cause internet is internet which basically could be hoax cause hoax can be anywhere at any given time yum yum, ugh now i want to eat a dairy milk now to assess my milk chocolate brand to form a ranking wise cause i was still debating irl which is the best between Hershey's and dairy milk.So apparently Chainsaw Man was the second most pirated show of 2022, and this is all tv shows, not just anime. This is kinda ironic considering how many people said that streaming would be the biggest revenue for CSM and that blu-rays didn't matter as much. But considering how big piracy is in the anime community outside of Japan, I don't have that many hopes. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/most-pirated-film-tv-titles-see-uneven-impact-from-streaming-1235514863/ I think hershey's is the best cause it's an og, classic, and it always turned into a part of birthday gift for me since i was at elementary. Ok i'm sorry for all of that useless information ima go bye bye now cya :D |
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RobertsahDHDA said: Did I ever say piracy was to blame for the poor blu-ray sales? Is this Crunchyroll white knight clown actually trying to make a strawman agrument? *reads* Oh god, the Crunchyroll lover is actually trying to make a case that pirates are to blame lmfao. So what does people pirating a show have to do with sales of a dying, overpriced medium Bluray product produced after the show airs? If anything the clown here is you who can't READ |
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Yelltah said: There are multiple ways to watch the show legally besides Crunchyrollthat's cool and all but I'm not going to support the Crunchy |
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seriouslyjokinn said: I would painfully accept that I watch animes through piracy. No denying. But, it's not because it costs money, but because the frickin anime isn't available in this country. I reside in India and i would like to say that crunchyroll in India doesn't offer a SHIT. There are literally no animes at all. Sure there are Hindi dubs of some animes, but think about it: you have Vinland Saga season 2 here but not season 1. Same with Demon Slayer, Jojo and with other multiple animes. CSM wasn't even airing in India which was really sad to me. Hulu isn't available here and animes on Netflix and Amazon prime in India are limited. Sure, JJK 0 movie was there in Amazon Prime and I watched it there, but there was no fuckin Season 1. Disney have ONLY 4 ANIMES in Indian region. I watched Summertime Render, Dr Stone and other random animes but that was IT. Crunchyroll subscription in India is only 79 rupees per month which is really cheap here, but the animes I wanted to watch here wasn't available. I seriously was ready to buy the subscription just because to watch CSM. But guess what, it wasn't even airing in my region. I would gladly buy the crunchyroll subscription if they put all the animes in our country at least. That's what I want to say... The reason why the catalog of Crunchyroll in India has always been so limited, is because Crunchyroll has always been a “worldwide except Asia” service, so this is nothing new. And that’s because there are already multiple other companies in Asia that license anime, so most of the time they have exclusivity over streaming shows in that region. So for example, even if Crunchyroll has the license for CSM in the USA and Europe, they can’t stream it in Asia because the show is already licensed there by another company. I know that in the case of CSM, Ani-one streams it in South Asia (I think it’s even free on YouTube) And so does Netflix. While Bilibili streams CSM in Southeast Asia. |
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zombie_pegasus said: MadanielFL said: I mean, to be fair, it's not like the streaming platforms give anything back to the people who made the anime either. It's actually very difficult to get any money to them, since the real creators are just mere employees, and the people who have any ability to make money from the anime after it's aired don't need the money as much.I'm not saying that CSM isn't making a lot of money. But that I just find ironic how people say streaming is what matters, when most anime fans are pirate themselves and haven't given a single cent back to the people who made the anime Paying for a streaming service supports the industry as a whole. And watching an anime you’ve legally paid for through either blue rays or a streaming service supports the series (Ex: the streaming service can see “x” amount of people watched “x” show). Watching it pirated does nothing and you’re essentially harming the series by being a non-fan in the eyes of the companies who make the show, so now they think the audience is much smaller than it really is. $8 a month isn’t much to ask to support the shows you like. Not sure if you were trying to justify your own piracy or just the concept but either way I disagree wholeheartedly. Pirates are the parasites of the anime community |
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