| Animation in this show is simply different. It reminds me of when I first started watching anime in its style and flow. Tbh, its fantastic, I reckon anyone hating it thinks anime is about peak preformance cgi and has limited understanding of visual art, context and story telling.. |
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| Just finished episode 3 and they animated someone writing kanji. The people animating this have some mad skills. Anyone who cant recognise that probably shouldnt be watching anime and shitting on it. Get back to your pregnant jokers and superman raped in prison please. |
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| Scenes with a lot of action have some weird animation, but it's not a big deal for me. I enjoy the characters and plot more than the action |
| Nino is the objectively superior one, don't @ me |
| Looks like 25 people need to schedule an appointment with their optometrist. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| The animation isn’t the greatest but watchable until the shapes become squarish. I don’t like it but it’s probably an artistic choice. The original source is a novel so I try to look at it as such and not as an anime. |
| Yup. Not an artistic problem, tho. Just the Budget, I think. They try working around it. |
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| Whoever can't tell this anime is suffering from budget cuts has not been watching anime very long. |
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Seph91 said: Literally any show from the 90s looks better than Hikari no ou lmao.People saying the animation for this is bad must be so blessed to live in the modern days of anime. |
| 「Self Aware Cringy Weeb」 |
| No: 40.4% - 72 Do people have problem with eyesight? Or are you guys simply ignorant? Admitting the animation is bad isn't the same as calling the show bad, or shitting on it. This show is IMO one of the best shows this season. The plot is very intriguing and the ART is decent. (maybe people don't know difference between art and animation?) AND YET animation since episode 1 has been bad/awful. It's comical to claim this is "artistic" choice. There are more than few signs that point at problems within studio, be it budget or staff-related problems. Scenes are being re-used CONSTANTLY, they use still frames, black screens, illustrations - all to animate as little as possible. You don't seem to be amateur with 50 or less anime watched, so what's the issue with admitting the obvious??? - the animation is POOR at best, but I'd still call it bad/awful in parts. It isn't repulsive enough for me to drop it, because I find the plot interesting enough, but saying this is "normal/not bad" is just plain ignorant IMO. |
| The amount of cope in this thread is concerning. Animation is not even the biggest problem this show has, it's the constant infodumping and messy direction. |
| Some artistic choices are too controversial. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: and to be rather honest, none of these are inherently bad. as long as you have someone competent at the helm they can obviously be used as tools to tell an effective story. just from what i've seen many parts could have used the same methods retooled to not be as a mess as it currently is. and the crazy thing on top of that is that many of the people working on this show have been part of the industry since the 80's/90's . Scenes are being re-used CONSTANTLY, they use still frames, black screens, illustrations - all to animate as little as possible. |
| N.etorare T.echnical R.esearcher |
| They made big mistakes ... I think in episode 2. With showing still pictures with a totally different art style. (Too beautiful.) Which - imo - destoys the atmosphere. So this was obviously not for artistic reasons but because of budged or production issues. (While in Vilnand Saga S2 I also have seen people complaining about certain stuff. Where I though that was for a reason and they used that style on purpose.) Got a bit better later. The black screen with Kanji (with the names) - is okay. Less annoying. Obviously stuff is re-used (the front of the mansion when switching towards there and the camera moves towards the mansion). But unless it really is weird ... I can watch this. Certain stuff I think in episode 3 was a bit weird ... boy and the daughter of the rich guy talking but the screen showing something different where at some parts it even felt asif the lips + voice were out of sync. There certainly are good ways and bad ways ... to try to save budget and animate less. And they moved away from the extremely bad ones in episode 2. |
| It wasn't that bad in the first 2 episodes but it's been getting considerably worse. It's a shame cause the story is pretty interesting |
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| Yes, and at the same time, no. I have a theory. Personally, I think what actually happens is that Hikari no Ou is a renowned work in Japan, as I've seen a few people on the internet talking about it being a classic. I don't know much about the work's reputation, so that part is guesswork. And, for the adaptation of such, the director Junji Nishimura chose to maintain an anime style that is very faithful to the atmospheric color palette, to the desolate art, tribal of the villages and, at the same time, colonial of the cities and, in addition, that bring fluidity to most scenes. For this adaptation to work, there needed to be faithfulness to the art descriptions and good visual adaptation, since the story of Hikari no Ou depends a lot on its descriptions (like almost every Novel) for Worldbuilding. Furthermore, Mamoru Oshii himself is involved in the project, although not as a director, and the identity of the works he is always involved with are full of fluidity, maturity, without caricature, etc. Junji Nishimura is a veteran director, as he has directed works from a long time ago such as Ranma 1/2. I think he has enough knowledge to know how to manage a production, even more so with a big name like Oshii, one of the most recognized directors in the industry, involved too. Therefore, I don't think that the animation of Hikari no Ou has such artistic problems that people are pointing out like the use of static scenes (very beautiful by the way), the various distortions of figures during the action scenes and other shots with only low movement. I think they are the director's artistic choices. It's an example similar to the animation of Naruto vs. Pain, which went viral on the internet for the distorted faces and bodies and made many fall on top of the studio, but which, in reality, were not examples of bad animation or production. They were fluid scenes, but with different artistic choices that generated estrangement. The point is, so far, I haven't been able to see as much intra-plot purpose in these choices. Static scenes, for example, are not used with any specific criteria that contribute to the work. This is different from the case of Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin, where the anime's color palette is full of darks, blacks, whites and grays to metaphorize the society of the time and, in emblematic moments of achievement or growth, colorful static frames and very identitary take over the screen with the epic narration in the background. In Rainbow, there is a contrast between the poor reality of an unequal society wounded by war, in a social scourge, and the freedom, the friendship between the seven and the hope that each of them finds to seize a new chance to pursue their dreams. In Hikari no Ou, so far, I haven't seen any motive behind the pictures. The same goes for the exchange of views, as I don't see much need in putting black screens with the name of the character that will appear. However, as I said, Junji Nishimura is an experienced director. And besides, there are more people experienced with him in production. In contrast, when I look at the Signal.MD studio, I don't see much confidence or traces of quality. The best work that this studio had to offer us in terms of production was Cider no You ni Kotoba ga Wakiagaru, which, I dare say, only did so well visually because it was a film and because it had another very good director - Ishiguro Kyouhei, director from Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso and Occultic;Nine - involved in the project. Indeed, the studio's most notable TV works are of such questionable quality as Platinum End. If you watched Platinum End, you may remember a death scene in which the production literally took the Manga page, in black and white, and used it in the anime as a still image for almost 30 seconds, just moving the zoom, or else the frames crooked and the poor use of CGI. Putting this data together and concluding my thoughts, I believe that what happened is that Junji wanted to make an ambitious project that did justice to Novel, he knew how to do it but, due to studio limitations, he had to compensate the production with several choices eccentric artistic ideas and maneuvers that mask some production problems. Sacrificing fluidity in some scenes in favor of beautiful static scenes is one of those maneuvers, and this explains the lack of criteria for the application. Sacrificing static beauty and making the frames crooked while acquiring fluidity is another strategy. A lot of directors do that, and it wouldn't be new. In Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 2nd Season, the White Fox studio was much more weakened by the stampede of animators that had left since the first season. As a result, many of the most ambitious and fluid drama scenes that Masaharu Watanabe was able to do in the first season could not be repeated. However, being a competent director, he switched from using these cuts to static scenes of facial expressions in which the characters are interspersed all the time. That catharsis scene of Subaru with Echidna is an example. Shinbou Akiyuki, one of my favorite directors, did this several times in the Monogatari Series, from what I've heard, but he did it by giving the work an even more unique style by applying Light Novel texts. Well, that's my interpretation of what might have happened with Hikari no Ou, although it's strange to me that directors of this size don't have great contacts with animators who could, perhaps, save the project. |
MaranderFeb 18, 2023 4:57 AM
Sigmar-Unberogen said: No: 40.4% - 72 Do people have problem with eyesight? Or are you guys simply ignorant? Admitting the animation is bad isn't the same as calling the show bad, or shitting on it. This show is IMO one of the best shows this season. The plot is very intriguing and the ART is decent. (maybe people don't know difference between art and animation?) AND YET animation since episode 1 has been bad/awful. It's comical to claim this is "artistic" choice. There are more than few signs that point at problems within studio, be it budget or staff-related problems. Scenes are being re-used CONSTANTLY, they use still frames, black screens, illustrations - all to animate as little as possible. You don't seem to be amateur with 50 or less anime watched, so what's the issue with admitting the obvious??? - the animation is POOR at best, but I'd still call it bad/awful in parts. It isn't repulsive enough for me to drop it, because I find the plot interesting enough, but saying this is "normal/not bad" is just plain ignorant IMO. You hit the nail on the head with that parenthetical, I genuinely think people are conflating "art" with "animation" here. Animation is generally incorrectly used as a catch-all term for how a show looks overall by a lot of viewers. Otherwise, I don't know how anyone can look at any of the action sequences and think the animation has been fine. The fight with the dragon and the train a couple episodes ago was terrible and looked janky as hell throughout. |
| Casuals do yea. People who actually know ball don’t |
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| I dont think we watching the same show. Your concept of good and bad is so left field of my concept of what is good. I Look at the action sequences and I think its fine. Get back under your rock hater of all things good. Lemurians said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: No: 40.4% - 72 Do people have problem with eyesight? Or are you guys simply ignorant? Admitting the animation is bad isn't the same as calling the show bad, or shitting on it. This show is IMO one of the best shows this season. The plot is very intriguing and the ART is decent. (maybe people don't know difference between art and animation?) AND YET animation since episode 1 has been bad/awful. It's comical to claim this is "artistic" choice. There are more than few signs that point at problems within studio, be it budget or staff-related problems. Scenes are being re-used CONSTANTLY, they use still frames, black screens, illustrations - all to animate as little as possible. You don't seem to be amateur with 50 or less anime watched, so what's the issue with admitting the obvious??? - the animation is POOR at best, but I'd still call it bad/awful in parts. It isn't repulsive enough for me to drop it, because I find the plot interesting enough, but saying this is "normal/not bad" is just plain ignorant IMO. You hit the nail on the head with that parenthetical, I genuinely think people are conflating "art" with "animation" here. Animation is generally incorrectly used as a catch-all term for how a show looks overall by a lot of viewers. Otherwise, I don't know how anyone can look at any of the action sequences and think the animation has been fine. The fight with the dragon and the train a couple episodes ago was terrible and looked janky as hell throughout. |
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| While the animation quality is receiving some flack, I’m more curious why this show currently has a 6.73 rating? I’ve watched a lot of of good and bad anime in my lifetime and I certainly wouldn’t put this show anywhere remotely close to below 7. Are people down rating this anime so much just because it has a few scenes that have some less than stellar animation? I mean, I’ve seen anime that have worse animation than this and they get higher ratings. Or does the complexities of this story also play a factor in its score? I’d be curious to know… |
| people saw those static shots and they didn't understand a thing, instead of just looking at the pic and admire it they immediately thought "wow, static shot = bad animation and bad animation = bad show", it's the usual case of sheep behavior. The action scenes don't look that good I agree but people only understand black and white today. In the end what it matters is enjoying it or not, I enjoy it so it's fine by me |
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| People literally say Chainsaw Man has bad animation. I just don't think people know what they are talking about. This show is clearly limited, but people are so used to things being perfectly on model nowadays that if it isn't their brain gets confused. Anything different from the normal is bad to people now. Which sucks, but it is what it is. Some people just don't really understand animation. They just go oh that looks off, but honestly anime has always gotten flak for its limited animation. It just sucks to see normal fans doing this stuff more often now. Doing what people who hate anime do. Dislike it because it is different rather than try and understand why it is different. |
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CaptLolicon said: Whoever can't tell this anime is suffering from budget cuts has not been watching anime very long. you cant really make such a statement by saying that and expect anyone who has been watching anime that long to take you seriously. Your comment is rubbish |
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