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| This anime moved 3 steps forwards but also moved 4 steps back, and one of those 4 steps back was a justifies enough reason for anyone to completely drop this anime if they wish to, and yes it has done this before already, because even tho you can't accept somethings, when you just ignore common sense your anime is doomed to look stupid, also it still struggles with it's core issues even tho it managed to fix some or try something else, and i'm sad to say that you can't fix a anime as a whole because after 6,5 useless episodes you started to care a bit, so even tho seeing it be better is good, it's not enough to make it go above a 4 or 5/10 as of right now First 3 positives: 1. It showed kyouya struggle for the first time ever, and this was lacking so much for a plot based around a new life and fixing issues 2. Even tho we kinda knew already, but showing how Mr Perfect aka kyouya managed to "destroy" other people's future because he wanted to make his on future better was such a amazing take, tho sadly they didn't properly manage it make it truly impactful imo 3. Showed how depending on someone else limits other people, he literally destroyed the platinum trio because he forced them to rely on him Now the issues: 1. A guy just skipped 12 years into the future and still manages to properly do things, he can work, he can deal with his daily issues, and this was honestly the dumbest thing i ever seen, NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING is able to skip his whole university and his studies on the matter+his new social interactions and still manage to properly do everything, except if you're kyoua, because how the anime always like to imply, he's perfect and everyone likes to depend on him 2. Which comes issue 2, even in the future people still are depending on kyouya to solve everything even whe he's nothing special, which is even worse, because, if he's Mr Perfect how the anime implied, he should've 100% gotten a big job, but this anime loves logic holes for some reason 3. His relationship with shinoaki is as bad as a harem romcom, they literally only had 2 screentime moments themed around their relation, being him praising her and making her happy, and the kiss, and boom that's enough to justify a marriage (of course we skipped time, stuff likely happened) but that's the issue, if you don't show to the audience, it will look stupid no matter what, you can't just expect people to accept a poorly developed relationship to the point of it turning into a marriage, unless of course you're the regular generic to-love ru enjoyer (and being honest even to-love ru does a better job at romance than this anime, while still being mediocre) 4. The anime kinda didn't care at all about the characters outside of the main 4, it just showed them, and that's it, they just exist, we barely know enough about them, only that they're there because they're plot engines, and that's a issue because, if you don't wanna care about a character, you shouldn't be making said character appear "constantly" because you're implying that the character should be meaningful, while at the same time giving it no development so it feels meaningless So yes even tho im happy this anime managed to properly be something outside of the empty shell of a generic romcom visual novel game, with a generic perfect protagonist, a generic "harem" and a generic supporting male character it was going for all those episodes ago, it still is a mediocre-bad anime at best, with kawasegawa being the better developed character and even tho she's on the poster of the anime she gets constantly treated as a side character anyways, which is also dumb So yeah, this anime can have the best end of the decade, it will still be a awful anime because it doesn't know how to properly handle itself and removed essential content of the source material (aka most of their character and relationship development), and everyone who thinks otherwise is solely ignoring factual evidence and rating categories, in benefit of a simplistic analyses and personal preference, yes i'm talking to all the people who are almost managing to push this into Rating 8, which is just hilarious |
Potato_AwardsSep 4, 2021 5:18 PM
Potato_Awards said: This anime moved 3 steps forwards but also moved 4 steps back, and one of those 4 steps back was a justifies enough reason for anyone to completely drop this anime if they wish to, and yes it has done this before already, because even tho you can't accept somethings, when you just ignore common sense your anime is doomed to look stupid, also it still struggles with it's core issues even tho it managed to fix some or try something else, and i'm sad to say that you can't fix a anime as a whole because after 6,5 useless episodes you started to care a bit, so even tho seeing it be better is good, it's not enough to make it go above a 4 or 5/10 as of right now First 3 positives: 1. It showed kyouya struggle for the first time ever, and this was lacking so much for a plot based around a new life and fixing issues 2. Even tho we kinda knew already, but showing how Mr Perfect aka kyouya managed to "destroy" other people's future because he wanted to make his on future better was such a amazing take, tho sadly they didn't properly manage it make it truly impactful imo 3. Showed how depending on someone else limits other people, he literally destroyed the platinum trio because he forced them to rely on him Now the issues: 1. A guy just skipped 12 years into the future and still manages to properly do things, he can work, he can deal with his daily issues, and this was honestly the dumbest thing i ever seen, NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING is able to skip his whole university and his studies on the matter+his new social interactions and still manage to properly do everything, except if you're kyoua, because how the anime always like to imply, he's perfect and everyone likes to depend on him 2. Which comes issue 2, even in the future people still are depending on kyouya to solve everything even whe he's nothing special, which is even worse, because, if he's Mr Perfect how the anime implied, he should've 100% gotten a big job, but this anime loves logic holes for some reason 3. His relationship with shinoaki is as bad as a harem romcom, they literally only had 2 screentime moments themed around their relation, being him praising her and making her happy, and the kiss, and boom that's enough to justify a marriage (of course we skipped time, stuff likely happened) but that's the issue, if you don't show to the audience, it will look stupid no matter what, you can't just expect people to accept a poorly developed relationship to the point of it turning into a marriage, unless of course you're the regular generic to-love ru enjoyer (and being honest even to-love ru does a better job at romance than this anime, while still being mediocre) 4. The anime kinda didn't care at all about the characters outside of the main 4, it just showed them, and that's it, they just exist, we barely know enough about them, only that they're there because they're plot engines, and that's a issue because, if you don't wanna care about a character, you shouldn't be making said character appear "constantly" because you're implying that the character should be meaningful, while at the same time giving it no development so it feels meaningless So yes even tho im happy this anime managed to properly be something outside of the empty shell of a generic romcom visual novel game, with a generic perfect protagonist, a generic "harem" and a generic supporting male character it was going for all those episodes ago, it still is a mediocre-bad anime at best, with kawasegawa being the better developed character and even tho she's on the poster of the anime she gets constantly treated as a side character anyways, which is also dumb So yeah, this anime can have the best end of the decade, it will still be a awful anime because it doesn't know how to properly handle itself and removed essential content of the source material (aka most of their character and relationship development), and everyone who thinks otherwise is solely ignoring factual evidence and rating categories, in benefit of a simplistic analyses and personal preference, yes i'm talking to all the people who are almost managing to push this into Rating 8, which is just hilarious Well said my man 👏👏👏 |
Natsude_tanakaSep 4, 2021 6:06 PM
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| A strong episode, rich in emotions & revelations, but also containing a certain morale : for his own sake & happiness, Kyoya eventually destroyed those he aspired to be/look like, those he considered as models & genius Actually, it might even be deeper than just shattering their future careers, as it seems like they vanished from his life (his only remaining contacts are Shinoaki since she became his wife, and Kawasegawa who kept a similar role from the present he came from, and seems to have followed the same path from the past). I wouldn't say he did the wrong choices, not at all. To be fair I didn't expect another timeline to be created from the past the embraced. But looking at the results, if I were to put myself in Kyoya's position, I would also be devastated by such outcome. Eventually, I'm wondering how the anime will go. Another return to the past ? Hum, not sure I would want it. Continuing in this timeline ? I don't really want it either. *sigh* Can't predict anything now, only make theorie at this stage. |
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| Alright, looks like they are still extending that one route of future Kyouya got, after the previous hurtful event. Silly him to think that the future was 'my dream that comes true', until he knew the fact about his figure being had such a wrecked future, all of them. Kawasegawa, i believe, she was just following wherever Kyouya goes. Because she just put faith so much into that dude hands, with his 'wand of magic'. Okay. You got that? Its not enough? Wait until he heard about Aki's and her draw, Nanako and her last stream, and no Tsurayuki this time. Its ofc a one and another implication of what he's done before. Its just too late for him to realizing the fact. Guess what Kyouya doin in the end? Aki's boob for the last. Sorry wasn't enough to solve everything, but well, a one and another regrets were the only natural things human could say after hearing all of the bad news. Right? Either Kyouya accepted all that shit happens, and live on that future, or the god loli decides to grant Kyouya into taking another leap, i am ready for everything. Lets see.... |
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| 1. Goes back into the past 2. Spends time with future successful people 3. Gives them advice 4. OMG I've changed the future and now I have a cute wife and a daughter boohoo Really? Am I suppose to feel sorry for Kyouya? I will give them credit where they deserve credit; I liked the scene where ShinoAki tells Kyouya why she stopped drawing and how that was tied into the artist from earlier in the episode. I'm also hoping they give a satisfying reasoning as to why Nanako's career didn't take off. I guess I'll find out next episode. |
| In the words of the esteemed Geralt of Rivia: "Fuck." Pandora's box has been opened :/ even though this was an insane episode, I really didn't want to watch it, because I knew how painful it would be for such great characters |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
DKDiabloLicht said: Potato_Awards said: This anime moved 3 steps forwards but also moved 4 steps back, and one of those 4 steps back was a justifies enough reason for anyone to completely drop this anime if they wish to, and yes it has done this before already, because even tho you can't accept somethings, when you just ignore common sense your anime is doomed to look stupid, also it still struggles with it's core issues even tho it managed to fix some or try something else, and i'm sad to say that you can't fix a anime as a whole because after 6,5 useless episodes you started to care a bit, so even tho seeing it be better is good, it's not enough to make it go above a 4 or 5/10 as of right now First 3 positives: 1. It showed kyouya struggle for the first time ever, and this was lacking so much for a plot based around a new life and fixing issues 2. Even tho we kinda knew already, but showing how Mr Perfect aka kyouya managed to "destroy" other people's future because he wanted to make his on future better was such a amazing take, tho sadly they didn't properly manage it make it truly impactful imo 3. Showed how depending on someone else limits other people, he literally destroyed the platinum trio because he forced them to rely on him Now the issues: 1. A guy just skipped 12 years into the future and still manages to properly do things, he can work, he can deal with his daily issues, and this was honestly the dumbest thing i ever seen, NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING is able to skip his whole university and his studies on the matter+his new social interactions and still manage to properly do everything, except if you're kyoua, because how the anime always like to imply, he's perfect and everyone likes to depend on him 2. Which comes issue 2, even in the future people still are depending on kyouya to solve everything even whe he's nothing special, which is even worse, because, if he's Mr Perfect how the anime implied, he should've 100% gotten a big job, but this anime loves logic holes for some reason 3. His relationship with shinoaki is as bad as a harem romcom, they literally only had 2 screentime moments themed around their relation, being him praising her and making her happy, and the kiss, and boom that's enough to justify a marriage (of course we skipped time, stuff likely happened) but that's the issue, if you don't show to the audience, it will look stupid no matter what, you can't just expect people to accept a poorly developed relationship to the point of it turning into a marriage, unless of course you're the regular generic to-love ru enjoyer (and being honest even to-love ru does a better job at romance than this anime, while still being mediocre) 4. The anime kinda didn't care at all about the characters outside of the main 4, it just showed them, and that's it, they just exist, we barely know enough about them, only that they're there because they're plot engines, and that's a issue because, if you don't wanna care about a character, you shouldn't be making said character appear "constantly" because you're implying that the character should be meaningful, while at the same time giving it no development so it feels meaningless So yes even tho im happy this anime managed to properly be something outside of the empty shell of a generic romcom visual novel game, with a generic perfect protagonist, a generic "harem" and a generic supporting male character it was going for all those episodes ago, it still is a mediocre-bad anime at best, with kawasegawa being the better developed character and even tho she's on the poster of the anime she gets constantly treated as a side character anyways, which is also dumb So yeah, this anime can have the best end of the decade, it will still be a awful anime because it doesn't know how to properly handle itself and removed essential content of the source material (aka most of their character and relationship development), and everyone who thinks otherwise is solely ignoring factual evidence and rating categories, in benefit of a simplistic analyses and personal preference, yes i'm talking to all the people who are almost managing to push this into Rating 8, which is just hilarious I definitely agree with several of these things, but the time skipped completely so I don't agree at all about not "justifying" the relationship. They had kissed and she liked him, and it's been a decade or whatever, he most likely would have ended up dating one or the other and it could have easily led to marriage. But of course,. It won't matter because we know he's going to give it up to go back. Pal you didn't get the issue, the problem isn't what they did between those 12 years the problem is the lack of exposed development to justify that happening, because as i said, you can't expect the audience to accept a marriage that was solely built around a random kiss, if at least they had a bit more romantic development, they don't even need to be a couple b4 tho it would've made it better, but literally it was established around a single kiss, and that, for the audience. looks stupid, because they don't know what happened around these years to understand their feeling as a couple, it's literally a emotionless moment, no one will get happy that they are married and have a kid, because the anime didn't make anyone care about the potential of that happening That's the issue i'm portraying there |
Potato_AwardsSep 4, 2021 7:49 PM
DKDiabloLicht said: Potato_Awards said: Pal you didn't get the issue, the problem isn't what they did between those 12 years the problem is the lack of exposed development to justify that happening, because as i said, you can't expect the audience to accept a marriage that was solely built around a random kiss, if at least they had a bit more romantic development doesn't even need to be dating tho it would make it better, but literally it was exposed around a single kiss, and that for the audience will look stupid, because they don't know what happened around these years to understand their feeling as a couple, it's literally a emotionless moment, no one will get happy that they are married and have a kid, because the anime didn't make anyone care about the potential of that happening That's the issue i'm portraying there Well it's still make believe because it's not going to stick(that timeline) so that is irrelevant. And they worked together for years after school, had already kissed so it's not difficult to see that the relationship could have easily developed into more. You ever around a girl when you are in college all the time that likes you and you've kissed and it didn't lead to at least sex or more? Because I know that at least never happened to me. Plus he's super Chad, everyone looks up to him and he's able to do anything and everything so I'm sure she kept pursuing him. But I guess we'll see. It's difficult for anyone that understands romance properly to imagine someone turning into a married couple because of a singular kiss with one-sided feelings and nothing else after that or before that a poor writing situation, you're literally just relying on the logic of "makes sense because the anime showed the ending of it" and that's not how it works, something isn't acceptable just because it's thrown in the screen pal, everything has proper development Literally your logic for that happening comes from generic teen movies where kissing at school means everything and kyouya being the MC which gives him the pass of getting the girl, and yes that can make sense from a simplified point of view, but it doesn't make it believable for the audience nor creates enough feelings towards said fact Literally the only feeling conveyed about their relationship this episode is how of a toxic husband kyouya is, for ruining his wife's carreer by limiting her and not being able to support her when she started drifing away from it, which is even worse, because kyouya was always built as a "i'll support as much as i can" character, but the anime implied he was just ok with she giving up during those 12 years, which means the anime doesn't even know how time travel properly works if they drifted his character traits and are implying there's 2 versions of him without establishing he turned different |
Potato_AwardsSep 4, 2021 8:06 PM
DKDiabloLicht said: Potato_Awards said: Pal you didn't get the issue, the problem isn't what they did between those 12 years the problem is the lack of exposed development to justify that happening, because as i said, you can't expect the audience to accept a marriage that was solely built around a random kiss, if at least they had a bit more romantic development doesn't even need to be dating tho it would make it better, but literally it was exposed around a single kiss, and that for the audience will look stupid, because they don't know what happened around these years to understand their feeling as a couple, it's literally a emotionless moment, no one will get happy that they are married and have a kid, because the anime didn't make anyone care about the potential of that happening That's the issue i'm portraying there Well it's still make believe because it's not going to stick(that timeline) so that is irrelevant. And they worked together for years after school, had already kissed so it's not difficult to see that the relationship could have easily developed into more. You ever around a girl when you are in college all the time that likes you and you've kissed and it didn't lead to at least sex or more? Because I know that at least never happened to me. Plus he's super Chad, everyone looks up to him and he's able to do anything and everything so I'm sure she kept pursuing him. I could see people caring or being frustrated IF that was the finalized ending of their relationship and what you said would have more merit, at least to me, but it's just a vision into what could be before he inevitably goes back somehow. But I guess we'll see. If that was the case, what happened to nanako? Didnt she was in the race to get kyouya? I mean literally said that he dont have any romantic feeling for aki and nanako so i dont think its because kyouya loves aki and thats why they are married but more to him pitying her lol the problem with this is no context were shown and we were straight brought in to the future just like that also what happened to keiko? |
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gspbeetle said: Potato_Awards said: It's difficult for anyone that understands romance properly to imagine someone turning into a married couple because of a singular kiss with one-sided feelings and nothing else after that or before that a poor writing situation, you're literally just relying on the logic of "makes sense because the anime showed the ending of it" and that's not how it works, something isn't acceptable just because it's thrown in the screen pal, everything has proper development Literally your logic for that happening comes from generic teen movies where kissing at school means everything and kyouya being the MC which gives him the pass of getting the girl, and yes that can make sense from a simplified point of view, but it doesn't make it believable for the audience nor creates enough feelings towards said fact Literally the only feeling conveyed about their relationship this episode is how of a toxic husband kyouya is, for ruining his wife's carreer by limiting her and not being able to support her when she started drifing away from it, which is even worse, because kyouya was always built as a "i'll support as much as i can" character, but the anime implied he was just ok with she giving up during those 12 years, which means the anime doesn't even know how time travel properly works if they drifted his character traits and are implying there's 2 versions of him without establishing he turned different You said the anime skip alot from the source material (well, it is a 12 ep instead of 25ep), just interested to know does the LN get into that depth for the relationship with Shinoaki? It’s not a gigantic development or anything “OMG BEST ROMANCE EVER” but it’s enough development to properly understand the girls feelings on relation to kyouya and overall gives more development time so it doesn’t feel rushed like it did in the anime, because they literally had like, 2 romantic moments with each girls on the anime with a logic like “yeah that’s enough love development, time to marry” (excluding kawasegawa because the anime hates her as a main character for some reason( |
| Well, i think we'll get explanation about 11 YEARS BLANK or at least Kyouya tell what the hell happened to him to someone else... but yet, |
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| Man , this ep was good. It hit like yeah. Its not u u going and changing something will make things good. I mean , as of most anime of time travel. Going back to the past and all. I do like them. But as much as i hate it. I want them to fix it in this time line now. I dont want him to go back. Thats feels like a cheat route. I want him to fix want he can , without going back in time several time. Also , just curious. Is this going to end this season or will we get another season ?? |
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| I don't care about anything. I just want Kawasegawa to win. |
| looks like whatever the timeline, the MC could not get a proper satisfying situation that he prefers to his preferences huh... 3/5. iNovak said: I need confirmation. Takahashi Rie is the blonde girl's voice actress, right? yes, you're correct! also that VA is who i SIMP! along with Akarin(kitoakarin)! LOLZ! |
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| Fucking pain, this episode made me tear up especially at the end there, the talk with Shinoaki. At the very least, even though Kawasegawa has a lower position, I think she seems more happier than the previous timeline. Shinoaki seems pretty content and happy as well, but this is not gonna sit well with Kyouya knowing he ruined the future of the people he idolized and became friends with. Maki is adorable though. It's gonna be sad when Kyoya ends up going back into the past again and Maki fades away into oblivion. Pain. Really looking forward to the next episode! Also was a pleasant surprise to hear Rieri here. |
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| damn that was sad but, shinoaki supremacy!!! waking up to a beautiful wife and cute daughter must be a dream of every man in this world huh also rieri voice 😍 |
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| Maki is so precious, but it must be scary to wake up and have a daughter that you don’t even know. It was sad seeing that everyone had given up on their dreams. Can’t wait for next episode to see what he will do next. |
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| Great episode! I guess Kyouya is going to go back in time and rectify the mistakes he made. I hope that we still get to see Kyouya and Shinoaki get married though :3 |
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| Well, in place of Kyouya, I'd be pretty devastated too to forget every ecchi detail with Shinoaki. Jokes aside, yeah, I get it, this anime is about artists and creators but could our dear protagonist stop acting like Shinoaki's days are grey and her life is some sad, ruined mess? Seems like she chose a different route but she is still happy and fulfilled. |
| Hmm the situation is rather ambiguous if we don't consider selfishness. Let's see how Kyouya tries to fix it... if he can. |
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| A lot happened in this episode, but one thing that most people will agree on is that Maki is really adorable! =3 Aside from that, we do get a better understanding of what's happening now that we've jumped into 2018,which is 11 years later. Kyouya now has a stable job and one where he does well at, as we see him working his charisma skills to help another artist (solid VA choice in Rie Takahashi) to bounce back from a big slump of form. However, his success in this timeline has come at the cost of the platinum generation itself. Shino herself gave up drawing after losing her spark with the gaming circle they had, Nanako has decided to give up singing and Tsurayuki never got into writing at all. Although Kawesegawa does have a job in the same company as Kyouya, her position isn't as high up as the one she had in his original timeline in 2016. I can't blame him for feeling guilty for denying the dreams of the platinum generation while he achieved his, so if he can go back a try once again to get a better result, then I see him doing that in a heartbeat. It might be bitter for Shino fans here since he did marry her and they have an adorable daughter, but I do see him abandoning this timeline sooner or later. Overall, this episode was pretty good. It does have minor flaws, but it's not a deal breaker for me at all. |
| Quick Kyouya, scream "COME BAAAACK" so you can come back to the past again! *coughERASEDcough* |
jmckenna15 said: She went from one of the brighest animators of her generation to a stay-at-home mom who lost her passion for drawing because of what he did. How could he not be depressed by that? If that was my wife, I'd be devastated if I was the cause of that, even if she has an outwardly happy disposition. I believe that life doesn't have just a single optimal way from start to finish and it shouldn't be predetermined. Why is it accepted that the first reality was the literally best that could happen ever? Being one of the "brightest animators" in 2016 doesn't automatically mean that she won't burn out a year later like Minori Ayaka. It's just convenient to think that in a fictional story everything will continue forever in the way how it's currently going. |
| I have read during last days that this series has not received good reception, specially in Japan. Maybe the reflection is the so-known expression that in the end we can't have it all. I enjoyed how this episode but we still need to wait how things will go from this point. Kyouya's suffering after seeing how things ended in a complete different way that he was expected. I found b**sh**t to argue that he simply stole his friends work to his benefit. However, the message that if you prevent your friends to make mistakes will turn them "weak" is legit and interesting. Despite the bad blood I personally think this series is at least interesting. |
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