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Apr 20, 2021 9:43 AM
#1
The ending didn't bother me that much. Just want to know why people hate it so much , I might have missed something or is it just overhated and not that bad at all. Edit : Thank you for responding. After reading the opinions of many people I kinda get the hang of it. I kinda binged read the final arc with some Aot OST on , so I was into it and really didn't think much about it then . I was never fond of the sending memories thing. Also that the main reason he was so pissed at the titan was because his mother was eaten and now we see , it was Eren that made it happen. The ending changed the whole character of Eren. Yes there are plot holes. So in the end , It wasn't something everyone hoped and it's not a very good ending . But personally still I don't hate it . if you consider the whole manga , it is still very good in my opinion because some chapters simply can't change the experience you have had. Well it's my opinion here and I respect yours because not everybody feels the same. |
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Apr 20, 2021 10:06 AM
#2
I found the ending to be somewhat underwhelming and inconsistent in certain respects. It feels like it was shoehorned in for thematic purposes and doesn't really give a story of this scale any real satisfying closure. It feels like something you'd expect from a 24 episode anime. I would still give the ending a generous 7/10 but that's a significant step down from AoT's caliber, which I've considered to be 9+ up until this point. |
Apr 20, 2021 11:45 AM
#4
The ending is overhated to the point where people are giving 1s to every season and the manga as a whole. Plus all the hard-core yaegerists are mad that it didn't end the way they wanted. Now me personally there where a lot of things I did not like about it especially the Ymir being in love crap. But there were some good things too. The ending was underwhelming for the most part I would say for me it's 50/50. |
Apr 20, 2021 1:26 PM
#5
Eren's development was retconned for the shonen 'i must protect my nakama' protagonist personality And it has nothing to do with Chadren pog. I'd be very upset if suicidal Reiner and compassionate Gabi were just facades to deceive their allies or the readers or whatever. All of these new versions of the characters were so much more interesting than their older versions Not really interested in Mikasa x Eren so that being the focus was underwhelming. Not an Historia x Eren person either, but I think Historia *platonically* having Eren's child would've been a better route. it actually gives meaning to his question to her/Zeke Armin and friends thanking Eren for doing what they didn't want him to do in the first place was weird. Surely the warriors wouldn't have been so thankful if their families were part of the 80% The 80% thing itself is dumb and is a part of the retcon Tatakaw Eren killing his mom is so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so frustrating I don't get why present Eren didn't just do a 100% Rumbling in the past using the Founding's ability to interfere with the past that way no one he loves would've had to die I was a timeloop fan, even more so because of the appearance of AU Mikasa and Armin in the shards memories. Now it would seem like they were just an easter egg, which is disappointing. I think timeloop also would've made more sense in regards to Aaron Yoghurt. Honestly as it is now we don't get what actually was Mikasa's dream, and the fact that it's all up to interpretation is shit. I don't get what Eren's dream in episode one was either anymore I don't get what was the point of Eren "freeing" Ymir and her crying in ch 122 if it was Mikasa who was meant to do it. If Ymir was still loyal to Fritz then why didn't she obey royal blooded Zeke's command? I don't get the '2000 years from now/ago' message. If the Founder experiences past and future all at once, it would mean that Ymir didn't really wait 2000 years. I don't get why Ymir didn't just modify her brain biology using the Founding's power to cure her Stockholm Syndrome Tatakaw! |
LeftoverToastApr 21, 2021 12:08 PM
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Apr 20, 2021 1:39 PM
#6
Gabi lived, that's reason enough to hate it haha |
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Apr 20, 2021 1:42 PM
#7
A love story worst than twilight, and a cringe simp for mc. |
Apr 20, 2021 3:46 PM
#8
To myself and others it seemed like the author of the story was determined to make Eren hated at the very end. He succeeded at that, but Eren's genocidal actions should have been enough. Not this weird attempt to make Eren as pathetic as possible at the last second. Scapegoating Ymir as an inexplicable god didn't help either. She is now literally a Deux Ex Machina plot device that did whatever she wanted and the reader can't question it because she's a being beyond our understanding, or something. There's a multitude of unanswered questions, and several new questions which spawned from fresh revelations in 139. The worm which was a huge problem in ch. 138 in particular. Just gone now. Oh well. I also didn't care for Armin thanking Eren for mass murdering for his sake. Nor how the Alliance acted on the boat. |
Apr 20, 2021 4:00 PM
#9
The ending wasn't bad, it's just overhated because of how it turned out. I don't really know what kind of ending people were expecting, considering the fact that Eren just committed genocide and wiped out 80% of the population. It doesn't seem realistic to me that a "happy ending" in which Eren's crimes are ignored and he lives would just happen. I just think people aren't happy with Eren pulling a Lelouch and having such a similar ending. |
Apr 20, 2021 4:00 PM
#10
Eren S1-3: I hate titans and Marleys they killed my mom. And I like Mikasa as a friend Eren S4: I fking hate Mikasa Eren ending: I killed my mom so that Marley kid doesn't die. I love Mikasa and I want Mikasa to love me more. Armin S1-3: Brain size mega go brr Armin later: Eren is killing the world, so let's talk, talking solves everything. Ymir: I love the stupid king who enslaved me, so I'm making titans all this time, and I'm gonna suddenly disappear with the worm when the reader knows everything. The world is 80% gone, what are we gonna do? TATAKAI! Eren did this cuz he wants world peace, but peace sucks, TATAKAI! |
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Apr 20, 2021 4:24 PM
#11
I guess because it goes against some themes of the story |
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Apr 20, 2021 4:34 PM
#12
Jabpi said: I thought the whole "Gabi best girl" bit during Final Season was a massive troll when I reached ch 138. Just imagine telling anime-onlies that Gabi redeems herself later on and then it ends with her dying as a pure titan.Gabi lived, that's reason enough to hate it haha |
Apr 20, 2021 5:31 PM
#13
You are trying to make something cool but people realize you are copy someone on the internet, and the thing you did were also dumb asf It's basically like that |
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Apr 20, 2021 7:03 PM
#14
People are giving the manga and previous anime seasons 1/10. So yeah, way too over hated. |
Apr 20, 2021 7:17 PM
#15
personally, i lost faith in the show when they put the time travel shit into it. Before this, it became an anime with warlike themes that, although it is a fairly basic one, if I did it right, the titans became an element of the story instead of being the story, and this was very good, the rumble was I could say that it was like the ultimate weapon of the Eldians and if the end had been with the Eldians winning, it would be a very well done ending, because humanity, innocent people died, but the Eldians could live in peace but at a horrible cost and That would be marked in history, it would be poetic in some way. But after the ymir thing and time travel everything went to hell, and the end you have to overanalyze it to the maximum to give a fucking sense to everything and even so it is mediocre. |
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Apr 20, 2021 9:04 PM
#16
Because it takes away all of Eren's character development. Big no-no. |
Apr 20, 2021 9:10 PM
#17
because people don't want retcons, character assassinations, plot holes, cheesy dialogue and a stupid shift of direction to a love story in the last 3 chapters with a Stockholm syndrome. I didn't watch Pixis/erwin convo about revolution, uprising politics, declaration of war, shiganshina battles, basement reveal, paths chapters or erens POV just to witness the most pathetic plot point with a love theme that decides the fate of humanity where the Demi god has to witness "true love" from the most one dimensional character in the story to overcome her love for her abuser (retcon to 122, yams didn't plan this garbage back then) and lift the curse with 100 unanswered questions worst ending in fiction ever and the fact that people analyze this more than the end of Evangelion just to justify the bad writing shows us how garbage it is |
yaegerist-15Apr 20, 2021 9:13 PM
Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
Apr 20, 2021 11:57 PM
#18
- Retcons the entire story - Does a 180 in everyone's personalities - Terrible dialogue - Leaves a lot of plots without proper conclusion - Tries to do some stupid last minute plotwist and fails miserably - Opens a million plotholes and contradictions - Panders to the worst section of any fanbase - Art is awful. Kid Eren in one of the first pages looks like a freaking alien. - It's hot garbage 1/10 is too much for this crap, I will give it a 0 if I could. |
Apr 21, 2021 1:14 AM
#20
It was unsatisfactory. Realizing 80% died just have a dumb girl get over her toxic love. And almost got nothing. remaining half of the world will go back to war. And now the Titan powers are removed when they can not be used for tyranny and left non-advance Paradis vulnerable to any nation that are greedy for their resources if the word got out. |
Apr 21, 2021 1:38 AM
#22
MinorTatu said: basically all things I found bad, thanks for saying my thoughts kind man.Eren's development was retconned for the shonen 'i must protect my nakama' protagonist personality And it has nothing to do with Chadren pog. I'd be very upset if suicidal Reiner and compassionate Gabi were just facades to deceive their allies or the readers or whatever. All of these new versions of the characters were so much more interesting than their older versions Not really interested in Mikasa x Eren so that being the focus was underwhelming. Not an Historia x Eren person either, but I think Historia *platonically* having Eren's child would've been a better route. it actually gives meaning to his question to her/Zeke Armin and friends thanking Eren for doing what they didn't want him to do in the first place was weird. Surely the warriors wouldn't have been so thankful if their families were part of the 80% The 80% thing itself is dumb and is a part of the retcon Tatakaw Eren killing his mom is so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so frustrating I don't get why present Eren didn't just do a 100% Rumbling in the past using the Founding's ability to interfere with the past that way no one he loves would've had to die I was a timeloop fan, either more so because of the appearance of AU Mikasa and Armin in the shards memories. Now it would seem like they were just an easter egg, which is disappointing. I think timeloop also would've made more sense in regards to Aaron Yoghurt. Honestly as it is now we don't get what actually was Mikasa's dream, and the fact that it's all up to interpretation is shit. I don't get what Eren's dream in episode one was either anymore I don't get what was the point of Eren "freeing" Ymir iand her crying in ch 122 if it was Mikasa who was meant to do it. If Ymir was still loyal to Fritz then why didn't she obey royal blooded Zeke's command? I don't get the '2000 years from now/ago' message if the Founder experiences past and future all at once. It would mean that Ymir didn't really wait 2000 years. I don't get why Ymir didn't just modify her brain biology using the Founding's power to cure her Stockholm Syndrome Tatakaw! |
Apr 21, 2021 3:07 AM
#23
Bayek said: I found the ending to be somewhat underwhelming and inconsistent in certain respects. It feels like it was shoehorned in for thematic purposes and doesn't really give a story of this scale any real satisfying closure. It feels like something you'd expect from a 24 episode anime. I would still give the ending a generous 7/10 but that's a significant step down from AoT's caliber, which I've considered to be 9+ up until this point. it just felt paced weird it felt like it was missing a chapter or something it just cuts to eren and armin talking and its just so weird I personally think chapter 138 should've been the last chapter |
Apr 21, 2021 3:16 AM
#24
Leoradiuju2004 said: personally, i lost faith in the show when they put the time travel shit into it. Before this, it became an anime with warlike themes that, although it is a fairly basic one, if I did it right, the titans became an element of the story instead of being the story, and this was very good, the rumble was I could say that it was like the ultimate weapon of the Eldians and if the end had been with the Eldians winning, it would be a very well done ending, because humanity, innocent people died, but the Eldians could live in peace but at a horrible cost and That would be marked in history, it would be poetic in some way. But after the ymir thing and time travel everything went to hell, and the end you have to overanalyze it to the maximum to give a fucking sense to everything and even so it is mediocre. yes yes yes. the time travel is bullshit that why i dropped it too after that |
Apr 21, 2021 3:44 AM
#25
Leoradiuju2004 said: it was never time travel, it was sending memories to the future/past, chapter 120-123 was the best part of AoT, just like 130/131personally, i lost faith in the show when they put the time travel shit into it. Before this, it became an anime with warlike themes that, although it is a fairly basic one, if I did it right, the titans became an element of the story instead of being the story, and this was very good, the rumble was I could say that it was like the ultimate weapon of the Eldians and if the end had been with the Eldians winning, it would be a very well done ending, because humanity, innocent people died, but the Eldians could live in peace but at a horrible cost and That would be marked in history, it would be poetic in some way. But after the ymir thing and time travel everything went to hell, and the end you have to overanalyze it to the maximum to give a fucking sense to everything and even so it is mediocre. |
Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
Apr 21, 2021 3:50 AM
#26
Lazy writing showing that Isayama was sick and tired of the manga. The ending was inconsistent and also retconned main points that have been made earlier in the series. I was not really emotionally invested anymore in the manga for a long time, nevertheless, I had hoped for a decent ending that didn't come which is really sad after so many years. It was very much alike to the 8th season of GoT. |
Apr 21, 2021 3:52 AM
#27
i dont know man ask ymir, ymir knows |
Apr 21, 2021 3:53 AM
#28
Shajedul_abir said: The ending didn't bother me that much. Just want to know why people hate it so much , I might have missed something or is it just overhated and not that bad at all. I absolutely have no idea. It's definitely overhated. Oh, probably because most people hate to read between the lines |
Dany2100Apr 21, 2021 4:01 AM
Apr 21, 2021 3:55 AM
#29
Xsadersadd said: MinorTatu said: basically all things I found bad, thanks for saying my thoughts kind man.Eren's development was retconned for the shonen 'i must protect my nakama' protagonist personality And it has nothing to do with Chadren pog. I'd be very upset if suicidal Reiner and compassionate Gabi were just facades to deceive their allies or the readers or whatever. All of these new versions of the characters were so much more interesting than their older versions Not really interested in Mikasa x Eren so that being the focus was underwhelming. Not an Historia x Eren person either, but I think Historia *platonically* having Eren's child would've been a better route. it actually gives meaning to his question to her/Zeke Armin and friends thanking Eren for doing what they didn't want him to do in the first place was weird. Surely the warriors wouldn't have been so thankful if their families were part of the 80% The 80% thing itself is dumb and is a part of the retcon Tatakaw Eren killing his mom is so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so frustrating I don't get why present Eren didn't just do a 100% Rumbling in the past using the Founding's ability to interfere with the past that way no one he loves would've had to die I was a timeloop fan, either more so because of the appearance of AU Mikasa and Armin in the shards memories. Now it would seem like they were just an easter egg, which is disappointing. I think timeloop also would've made more sense in regards to Aaron Yoghurt. Honestly as it is now we don't get what actually was Mikasa's dream, and the fact that it's all up to interpretation is shit. I don't get what Eren's dream in episode one was either anymore I don't get what was the point of Eren "freeing" Ymir iand her crying in ch 122 if it was Mikasa who was meant to do it. If Ymir was still loyal to Fritz then why didn't she obey royal blooded Zeke's command? I don't get the '2000 years from now/ago' message if the Founder experiences past and future all at once. It would mean that Ymir didn't really wait 2000 years. I don't get why Ymir didn't just modify her brain biology using the Founding's power to cure her Stockholm Syndrome Tatakaw! Another timeloop fan :-) I am not so much of a timeloop fan and more of a buddhist way of thinking fan that was also taken up by Battlestar Galactica - all of this has happened before and will happen again. Add this to a "Dark Tower" kind of ending with Roland in the tower seeing that he had been there several times and it would have been a wonderful mean ending that could have been peppered with a bit of hope (like in "Dark Tower" but also in "BSG") but alas it was not meant to happen. |
Apr 21, 2021 4:05 AM
#30
The only proper criticisms I have seen, of which I share a few, is stuff like the pacing being rushed and certain revelations feeling underdeveloped, there are also people pointing out plot conveniences, but that's nothing new and has been around since the beginning. There are some who are seething because their "Floch/Eren chad EH ship muh freedom genocide everyone else" fantasy didn't work out. I do think this ending could have been a lot better and more memorable with a different direction, but what we got is just okay. Hopefully some of the added pages for the volume release can help remedy some of the pacing problems. |
Apr 21, 2021 4:09 AM
#31
Jabungus said: The only proper criticisms I have seen, of which I share a few, is stuff like the pacing being rushed and certain revelations feeling underdeveloped, there are also people pointing out plot conveniences, but that's nothing new and has been around since the beginning. There are some who are seething because their "Floch/Eren chad EH ship muh freedom genocide everyone else" fantasy didn't work out. I do think this ending could have been a lot better and more memorable with a different direction, but what we got is just okay. Hopefully some of the added pages for the volume release can help remedy some of the pacing problems. Yep, I agree. I think that even just 1 more chapter would have been better and would have fixed the pacing problem, but talking about the ending, characters and other stuff I'm mostly fine with it |
Apr 21, 2021 4:30 AM
#32
Because it’s garbage? Like people can try defending this manga with all themes and symbolism by over analyzing badly written dialogue, such as “Thank you for being ...” line, but the fact remains that it’s full of retcon and contradictions still remains. Using fate/destiny as an excuse for a plot in order to avoid being called out for plot holes, is anything but Marvel glorified shit. No doubt that Isayama changed his ending after watching Gotg |
Apr 21, 2021 4:46 AM
#33
You can just go and read the problems people have been highlighting bruh lol |
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Apr 21, 2021 5:29 AM
#34
Maybe read the chapter 139 discussion thread? All the arguments about the ending and all its problems have been done to death. |
Apr 21, 2021 6:10 AM
#35
i for one liked the ending |
Apr 21, 2021 8:37 AM
#36
i for one liked the ending Me too, the chapter at the beginning gives a bad impression but after you re-read it and you are tying up the dots it is a pretty round ending. Obviously with its ups and downs. |
Apr 21, 2021 10:01 AM
#37
Apr 21, 2021 10:13 AM
#38
There are plenty of videos on youtube that perfectly exemplify why many hate this ending. I honestly can't understand why anyone can actually enjoy it unless you are a binge reader. |
Apr 21, 2021 10:23 AM
#39
There are plenty of videos on youtube that perfectly exemplify why many hate this ending. I honestly can't understand why anyone can actually enjoy it unless you are a binge reader. Well, many Spanish-speaking readers and youtubers ignore the shit at the end just because they love the manga and "the trip" that was to read it, they are basically blinded by their fanaticism and so far only one youtuber said all the errors at the end. so yes, there are people who liked the ending because they liked manga in general and they are blinded |
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Apr 21, 2021 10:27 AM
#40
Jhndrxx said: The ending wasn't bad, it's just overhated because of how it turned out. I don't really know what kind of ending people were expecting, considering the fact that Eren just committed genocide and wiped out 80% of the population. It doesn't seem realistic to me that a "happy ending" in which Eren's crimes are ignored and he lives would just happen. I just think people aren't happy with Eren pulling a Lelouch and having such a similar ending. I never expected Eren to win but I didn’t want his character ruined and retconed |
Apr 21, 2021 10:32 AM
#41
ezz365 said: I reread it multiple times and it still sucks. Like most of the rumbling arc tbh. Using your head cannon to make sense of it just shows how poorly written by Isayama it is.i for one liked the ending Me too, the chapter at the beginning gives a bad impression but after you re-read it and you are tying up the dots it is a pretty round ending. Obviously with its ups and downs. It’s missing at least 1 full volume to flesh out the route that Isayama went with and make it an acceptable ending; 2 chapters in the 120s to make the alliance more believable, and 2 chapters in the 130s to make character motivations more detailed. It just feels like Isayama got bored and fixated to end on 139 and gave us a summary of the ending he had in mind. And wow the dialogue, Twilight levels of bad. |
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Apr 21, 2021 11:13 AM
#42
ezz365 said: I reread it multiple times and it still sucks. Like most of the rumbling arc tbh. Using your head cannon to make sense of it just shows how poorly written by Isayama it is.i for one liked the ending Me too, the chapter at the beginning gives a bad impression but after you re-read it and you are tying up the dots it is a pretty round ending. Obviously with its ups and downs. It’s missing at least 1 full volume to flesh out the route that Isayama went with and make it an acceptable ending; 2 chapters in the 120s to make the alliance more believable, and 2 chapters in the 130s to make character motivations more detailed. It just feels like Isayama got bored and fixated to end on 139 and gave us a summary of the ending he had in mind. And wow the dialogue, Twilight levels of bad. I disagree, you're saying it sucks. It's not the best, but it doesn't suck either. If I agree with what you say about missing pages, but I did not use my head cannon at any time, everything is spun perfectly if you see it together. For example Eren's "I don't know" line that they criticize so much is reflected in chapter 131, where he says that he wanted to make the rumble because he was disappointed in the outside world. The ship EreMika was not built but it did give hints, for example in chapter 121 when Eren stares in the memories when he puts the scarf on it. It is not the best, but in no anime do they give us a really good development with the ships The dialogue of Armin and the avengers seems to me the worst of the chapter from afar, I dont defend it but throwing down a whole series for some dialogues seems unfair. The problem here is that this manga was never perfect and although it was above the average of the shonen it always had its problems and in the end it did not lower its level, it only lowered its expectations. |
ezz365Apr 21, 2021 11:47 AM
Apr 21, 2021 2:18 PM
#44
Apr 21, 2021 2:50 PM
#45
Bayek said: Yeah I agree except I'd say 5 or 6 out of 10I found the ending to be somewhat underwhelming and inconsistent in certain respects. It feels like it was shoehorned in for thematic purposes and doesn't really give a story of this scale any real satisfying closure. It feels like something you'd expect from a 24 episode anime. I would still give the ending a generous 7/10 but that's a significant step down from AoT's caliber, which I've considered to be 9+ up until this point. |
Apr 21, 2021 5:28 PM
#46
I think Totally Not Mark's review of the chapter summed it up nicely. Overall the chapter wasn't bad and it doesn't ruin the series. However, it feels like there is no breathing room in the Eren/Armin conversation. We get the reveal that Dina sparing Bertholdt was Eren's doing, Ymir's true motivation, and Eren's moment of vulnerability all within a few pages. I think if there were 2-3 more chapters in the series it would have alleviated the majority of people's gripes. |
Apr 21, 2021 7:24 PM
#47
Because Isayama can't write shit, seriously the best way I can describe AoT is that it got too ambitious for its own good, what was wrong with it being just a mediocre but fun action romp like in the beginning? But Isayama was planning for something much bigger yet his writing isn't good enough to make it work and the final arc is just a highlight of how incompetent he can be. |
Apr 21, 2021 9:06 PM
#48
Jhndrxx said: true but lelouch didnt simp unlike what eren did on mikasa thats what most people think that destroyed his character that was build up for so long and who really ymir is lacked explanation on isayama's part and its absolutely bs to think that ymir was actually inlove with the king but this ending who everyone was expecting a 9/10 or 10/10 took a drop and in my opinion a 6 or 7The ending wasn't bad, it's just overhated because of how it turned out. I don't really know what kind of ending people were expecting, considering the fact that Eren just committed genocide and wiped out 80% of the population. It doesn't seem realistic to me that a "happy ending" in which Eren's crimes are ignored and he lives would just happen. I just think people aren't happy with Eren pulling a Lelouch and having such a similar ending. |
Apr 22, 2021 2:09 AM
#49
MeguuRE said: Jhndrxx said: true but lelouch didnt simp unlike what eren did on mikasa thats what most people think that destroyed his character that was build up for so long and who really ymir is lacked explanation on isayama's part and its absolutely bs to think that ymir was actually inlove with the king but this ending who everyone was expecting a 9/10 or 10/10 took a drop and in my opinion a 6 or 7The ending wasn't bad, it's just overhated because of how it turned out. I don't really know what kind of ending people were expecting, considering the fact that Eren just committed genocide and wiped out 80% of the population. It doesn't seem realistic to me that a "happy ending" in which Eren's crimes are ignored and he lives would just happen. I just think people aren't happy with Eren pulling a Lelouch and having such a similar ending. 1. People are not mad Eren died 2. The ending just doesnt fit 3. Its written horrificly bad |
Apr 22, 2021 3:59 AM
#50
Because Eren killed his mother for no reason, other to create paradox? Because Eren is simping just before his death and begging to be spared? Because Eren, that always wanted to move forward until all of his enemies are destroyed, had a sudden change of heart? Because NO ONE gave a crap that 80% of world is destroyed? Because Rumbling Arc didn't change anything (literally - if Eren destryed just the fleet and Marley's shore, outcome would still be the same) Because Arming thanks Eren for becoming mass murderer? Because Annie suddenly pity Eren? There's a lot. And also, because apparently, this stor about hatred, racism, genocide and war, was actuall a TrAgIc lOvE StoRy, even though Eren ignored Mikasa for 130 chapters. |
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