| I'm so fed up with people who try to bring reality into a work of fiction, for the love of God it is fiction and we should not cross the boundaries. How hard can it be? Well, for many people it is too hard. If you find it too hard to decipher that line then don't watch the show. At the end of the day, this is a work of fiction where the author can depict any topic he wants. The author is trying to highlight certain themes through the protagonist. Not everything that the protagonist does needs to be righteous. Certain themes can make the MC bad for example Eren Yeager's and Lelouch's ideology of ends justify the means. Fiction is supposed to give an insight into a what-if situation. So, if you try to bring reality into it, it just won't work because they are separate. It is as if you are trying to make two protons touch each other. It won't work. So please I beg of you find that line and respect it. P.S. I'm not saying I don't want criticism. I think criticism is needed for anything to thrive. It just as long the criticism sticks to only the story and not bringing it to real life. P.S. I, also, understand that media can have an effect on a person brain, if they are young. That is why it is rated TV-14 not rated E for everyone. |
| Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. |
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| It really just boils down to how people react differently to anime, if someone can’t distinguish fiction from reality and gets offended watching this series they should just drop it instead of complaining each week in the forums because it just spreads toxicity and no one wants that. At least that’s how I feel about this situation, but at the end of the day I don’t really care what others have to say about an anime I just don’t see the point in continuing a show you clearly dislike. |
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sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. Fiction exists as a way to do things that are either a) impossible b) improbable c) illegal in real life. So that we can have fun doing things without facing consequences for doing them. |
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sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. True but we can't really bring up the fiction = reality argument without seeing major hypocrisy in the anime fandom (goes for gaming as well and manga/vns/lns etc). For instance, you like Bakugo, if he was a real life person, he would be fucking cancelled day 1 and lose his job as a hero or w/e for being a piece of shit human being that bullied kids like Deku to the brink of suicide. You probably wouldn't even like him as a person. Kid is fucking nasty. But instead, he has a major fanbase because of his other charismatic characteristics. This shit would never fly in the modern world. Just look at people losing careers for shit they say to others or message leaks, which aren't even close to the level of hardcore bullying. It's fucking fiction. We read it if we enjoy it and if we think it's shit, we don't. Fucking simple really. But saying that people who do enjoy a certain fictional book or creation are real life criminals or sociopaths? It's just fucking retarded. @skysurf is a great example of how retards can be. Calling everyone and their mother a pedophile and saying a series like MT is pedophile fantasy when it isn't even encouraged nor the focus of the series. The equivalent of calling Boku no Hero a fucking Bully's fantasy anime and it encourages bullying little kids in school. See how stupid this sounds? This is what this forum has to deal with on a consistent basis. |
skysurf said: _Lyborick_ said: a work of fiction where the author can depict any topic he wants Sure, and likewise, people are free to criticize that pedophile fantasy as a trash work of fiction. I'm gonna put naked lolis in my profile spoiler button eventually.~ rdturbo said: everyone is trash for continuing to watch this trash I haven't even started yet. Too lazy. Got on my radar because of threads like this! |
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sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. Okay so according to your logic if we kill people in videogames does that mean we enjoy killing people irl? skysurf said: _Lyborick_ said: a work of fiction where the author can depict any topic he wants Sure, and likewise, people are free to criticize that pedophile fantasy as a trash work of fiction. So do you prefer mc's that are op and generic than actual realistic mc's? IpreferEcchi said: sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. Fiction exists as a way to do things that are either a) impossible b) improbable c) illegal in real life. So that we can have fun doing things without facing consequences for doing them. Also this. |
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hoopla123 said: sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. True but we can't really bring up the fiction = reality argument without seeing major hypocrisy in the anime fandom (goes for gaming as well and manga/vns/lns etc). For instance, you like Bakugo, if he was a real life person, he would be fucking cancelled day 1 and lose his job as a hero or w/e for being a piece of shit human being that bullied kids like Deku to the brink of suicide. You probably wouldn't even like him as a person. Kid is fucking nasty. But instead, he has a major fanbase because of his other charismatic characteristics. This shit would never fly in the modern world. Just look at people losing careers for shit they say to others or message leaks, which aren't even close to the level of hardcore bullying. It's fucking fiction. We read it if we enjoy it and if we think it's shit, we don't. Fucking simple really. But saying that people who do enjoy a certain fictional book or creation are real life criminals or sociopaths? It's just fucking retarded. @skysurf is a great example of how retards can be. Calling everyone and their mother a pedophile and saying a series like MT is pedophile fantasy when it isn't even encouraged nor the focus of the series. The equivalent of calling Boku no Hero a fucking Bully's fantasy anime and it encourages bullying little kids in school. See how stupid this sounds? This is what this forum has to deal with on a consistent basis. I'm not saying violent video games will make you kill people, I was more thinking like when you create a work of fiction you want that to have an impact on someones reality, like making them laugh or cry. And about bakugo that was some pretty mild bullying for a middle schooler lol. |
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sasukerr14 said: hoopla123 said: True but we can't really bring up the fiction = reality argument without seeing major hypocrisy in the anime fandom (goes for gaming as well and manga/vns/lns etc). For instance, you like Bakugo, if he was a real life person, he would be fucking cancelled day 1 and lose his job as a hero or w/e for being a piece of shit human being that bullied kids like Deku to the brink of suicide. You probably wouldn't even like him as a person. Kid is fucking nasty. But instead, he has a major fanbase because of his other charismatic characteristics. This shit would never fly in the modern world. Just look at people losing careers for shit they say to others or message leaks, which aren't even close to the level of hardcore bullying. It's fucking fiction. We read it if we enjoy it and if we think it's shit, we don't. Fucking simple really. But saying that people who do enjoy a certain fictional book or creation are real life criminals or sociopaths? It's just fucking retarded. @skysurf is a great example of how retards can be. Calling everyone and their mother a pedophile and saying a series like MT is pedophile fantasy when it isn't even encouraged nor the focus of the series. The equivalent of calling Boku no Hero a fucking Bully's fantasy anime and it encourages bullying little kids in school. See how stupid this sounds? This is what this forum has to deal with on a consistent basis. I'm not saying violent video games will make you kill people, I was more thinking like when you create a work of fiction you want that to have an impact on someones reality, like making them laugh or cry. And about bakugo that was some pretty mild bullying for a middle schooler lol. Eh if you are pushing the guy into the suicide route by poking at his weak points through brutal strength and just mean shit (like he knows Deku wants to be a hero real bad but shits on him when Deku doesn't even have a quirk, essentially shitting on the weakest of the weak), I wouldn't call that mild bullying tbh. But anyways, I'm not here to argue about that. I get what you mean about fiction regarding laughing and crying etc. But it's not what the OP is talking about. |
hoopla123 said: sasukerr14 said: I'm not saying violent video games will make you kill people, I was more thinking like when you create a work of fiction you want that to have an impact on someones reality, like making them laugh or cry. And about bakugo that was some pretty mild bullying for a middle schooler lol. Eh if you are pushing the guy into the suicide route by poking at his weak points through brutal strength and just mean shit (like he knows Deku wants to be a hero real bad but shits on him when Deku doesn't even have a quirk, essentially shitting on the weakest of the weak), I wouldn't call that mild bullying tbh. But anyways, I'm not here to argue about that. I get what you mean about fiction regarding laughing and crying etc. But it's not what the OP is talking about. Maybe I just went to a crappy middle school then lol. And yeah I only skimmed the original post but I thought they were saying that fiction shouldn't affect reality or shouldn't be considered on the standards of reality. |
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BigNut666 said: sam5234 said: Whats the deal with this guy? He looks like he's out for blood. I think everyone's out for blood at this point. Skysurf just stands out the most as the most condescending one. I mean, he always has to mention Pedophilia in all his comments, which has been discussed like a bazillion times lol. And the way he talks like "I feel sorry for you," or something down the lines of "I can't believe the fans enjoy pedophilia." He even blocked his list and disabled the comments.I think he's a troll. |
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skysurf said: _Lyborick_ said: a work of fiction where the author can depict any topic he wants Sure, and likewise, people are free to criticize that pedophile fantasy as a trash work of fiction. If you think the pedophilia part makes you not enjoy the series. By all means, you can criticize it and hate it all you want. My point was to call out on the bull shit about combining reality and fiction. Though pedophilia at times gets to me, it never detracts from my enjoyment of the series, since I for one do not look up to the MC as a role model, and it's a work of fiction. I am always open to criticism of any show. P.S. If you hate the show leave a bad review of it and be done with it. Why are you trying to suffer by partaking in conversation like this? |
snowykevin said: It really just boils down to how people react differently to anime, if someone can’t distinguish fiction from reality and gets offended watching this series they should just drop it instead of complaining each week in the forums because it just spreads toxicity and no one wants that. At least that’s how I feel about this situation, but at the end of the day I don’t really care what others have to say about an anime I just don’t see the point in continuing a show you clearly dislike. I really enjoy the show and i will definitely continue watching it because of its high production value. I just fkin hate the unnecessary sexual stuff treated as humorous jokes. Should i drop the show just because of that? |
IpreferEcchi said: sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. Fiction exists as a way to do things that are either a) impossible b) improbable c) illegal in real life. So that we can have fun doing things without facing consequences for doing them. That's not entirely true though. For instance, you can have a romance anime simply about two people falling in love. It's both probable and legal. You seem to be referring specifically to animes that serves mainly as escapism and/or wish fulfillment. Like isekais and especially Mushoku Tensei. |
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| Some of you have a really hard time grasping that people are simply uncomfortable watching pedo shit. There really is nothing else to this. I've seen the 6 eps and I'll prob finish it but every time the weird-ass mc does his nasty pedo shit I'm gonna cringe. It feels like the author wanted to make a very "real" show, but didn't know where to stop. MC goes from a scumbag to a hero trope back and forth, and while the two traits can coexist, that requires writing better than this. It's like the MC intentionally reminds us that he's 40 and then proceeds to grope a child. It's nasty - and I'm sorry to break it down to some of ya'll, but that's not entirely subjective. |
newluminous said: snowykevin said: It really just boils down to how people react differently to anime, if someone can’t distinguish fiction from reality and gets offended watching this series they should just drop it instead of complaining each week in the forums because it just spreads toxicity and no one wants that. At least that’s how I feel about this situation, but at the end of the day I don’t really care what others have to say about an anime I just don’t see the point in continuing a show you clearly dislike. I really enjoy the show and i will definitely continue watching it because of its high production value. I just fkin hate the unnecessary sexual stuff treated as humorous jokes. Should i drop the show just because of that? I was talking about those that don’t enjoy the show but continue watching and constantly say “if you enjoy this you’re a pedophile” because those kinds of statements don’t evoke discussion |
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skysurf said: Not if your only complaint is "the character does things that they shouldn't do if it were real life"._Lyborick_ said: a work of fiction where the author can depict any topic he wants Sure, and likewise, people are free to criticize that pedophile fantasy as a trash work of fiction. |
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Avicebrons said: That's not entirely true though. For instance, you can have a romance anime simply about two people falling in love. It's both probable and legal. You seem to be referring specifically to animes that serves mainly as escapism and/or wish fulfillment. Like isekais and especially Mushoku Tensei. No. All entertainment exists because it's the only way we can guarantee ourselves something nice. You can't depend on people in real life to always be there. Romance anime is escapism. |
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rdturbo said: white_ink said: Some of you have a really hard time grasping that people are simply uncomfortable watching pedo shit. There really is nothing else to this. I've seen the 6 eps and I'll prob finish it but every time the weird-ass mc does his nasty pedo shit I'm gonna cringe. It feels like the author wanted to make a very "real" show, but didn't know where to stop. MC goes from a scumbag to a hero trope back and forth, and while the two traits can coexist, that requires writing better than this. It's like the MC intentionally reminds us that he's 40 and then proceeds to grope a child. It's nasty - and I'm sorry to break it down to some of ya'll, but that's not entirely subjective. Oh I get it, what I dont get is why people who find this show to be glorifying pedophilia and sexual assault still keep on watching as well as labelling whoever watches this show to be a pedo as well. 1. Double standards. 2. You need to experience creative work to be able to criticize it (probably the minority) Edit: Personally I don't think that it's glorifying anything, it's just lacking in taste with the presentation. I do like the show enough to keep watching, I would have dropped it a while ago otherwise, to be clear. |
IpreferEcchi said: Avicebrons said: That's not entirely true though. For instance, you can have a romance anime simply about two people falling in love. It's both probable and legal. You seem to be referring specifically to animes that serves mainly as escapism and/or wish fulfillment. Like isekais and especially Mushoku Tensei. No. All entertainment exists because it's the only way we can guarantee ourselves something nice. You can't depend on people in real life to always be there. Romance anime is escapism. Not necessarily no. All I can agree on is that it's entertainment. We simply consume it in order to entertain ourselves. It being a form of escapism is purely subjective. For some it may be, for others not. People who are happily in love can still watch and enjoy a standard romance anime. I also do love how you conveniently ignored how my example contradicted all 3 points you said fiction was. |
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Avicebrons said: Not necessarily no. All I can agree on is that it's entertainment. We simply consume it in order to entertain ourselves. It being a form of escapism is purely subjective. For some it may be, for others not. People who are happily in love can still watch and enjoy a standard romance anime. I also do love how you conveniently ignored how my example contradicted all 3 points you said fiction was. Your example doesn't contradict a single thing and even if you are happily in love, fiction will always provide a better experience because it is literally a tailored perfect ideal. It is escapism. All fiction. |
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IpreferEcchi said: Avicebrons said: Not necessarily no. All I can agree on is that it's entertainment. We simply consume it in order to entertain ourselves. It being a form of escapism is purely subjective. For some it may be, for others not. People who are happily in love can still watch and enjoy a standard romance anime. I also do love how you conveniently ignored how my example contradicted all 3 points you said fiction was. Your example doesn't contradict a single thing and even if you are happily in love, fiction will always provide a better experience because it is literally a tailored perfect ideal. It is escapism. All fiction. And please point out which of the three cases you brought up it didn't contradict? |
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| I also wonder why some people can't "decipher" a pedophile in fiction? I mean, we have a 34 yo guy narrating while his reincarnated child body gropes and undresses a little girl for a purpose of sexual pleasure. And people rather cut their thumbs than to call this action what it actually is - pedophilia. It's like reality and truth hurts these people so much, they better imagine non-existant rules and laws that makes Rudy not guilty of his crimes; some call it "kid toying around" even. I think people don't want to admit that the MC is a pedophile, out of shame or it may hurt their ego or something, or they prefer delusions even if its fiction. And yet these people will lecture you about how MC is a flawed human = good writing and shit. Such hypocrites. My point is, if you like a fiction where MC is a degenerate pedophile, so be it! To me, that already leaves a huge stain on the story and would rate it 6/10 at best, but you do you! Nonetheless, stop telling people (and making threads) that MC is fine, and pedophilia didn't happen, or ignore rape and pedophilia because it's fiction. That just makes you seem like biased fanboy who indeed can't decipher reality from fiction; or, at best, makes you sound like you can't deal with criticism. |
hoopla123 said: sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. True but we can't really bring up the fiction = reality argument without seeing major hypocrisy in the anime fandom (goes for gaming as well and manga/vns/lns etc). For instance, you like Bakugo, if he was a real life person, he would be fucking cancelled day 1 and lose his job as a hero or w/e for being a piece of shit human being that bullied kids like Deku to the brink of suicide. You probably wouldn't even like him as a person. Kid is fucking nasty. But instead, he has a major fanbase because of his other charismatic characteristics. This shit would never fly in the modern world. Just look at people losing careers for shit they say to others or message leaks, which aren't even close to the level of hardcore bullying. It's fucking fiction. We read it if we enjoy it and if we think it's shit, we don't. Fucking simple really. But saying that people who do enjoy a certain fictional book or creation are real life criminals or sociopaths? It's just fucking retarded. @skysurf is a great example of how retards can be. Calling everyone and their mother a pedophile and saying a series like MT is pedophile fantasy when it isn't even encouraged nor the focus of the series. The equivalent of calling Boku no Hero a fucking Bully's fantasy anime and it encourages bullying little kids in school. See how stupid this sounds? This is what this forum has to deal with on a consistent basis. THIS! Also THIS! for using best girl as avatar. Back on topic, what I don't get is how could people who hates it continue watching... I myself won't be able to do it, I nearly puked when watching AoT S3, so being a normal person, I dropped the show, moved on and find something tolerable to watch. I also didn't make a ruckus on AoT forum nor I shit on AoT fanbase, I simply let them enjoy their ride... |
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Avicebrons said: IpreferEcchi said: Your example doesn't contradict a single thing and even if you are happily in love, fiction will always provide a better experience because it is literally a tailored perfect ideal. It is escapism. All fiction. And please point out which of the three cases you brought up it didn't contradict? Romance anime is impossible because like I said, it is a tailored perfect ideal. Real life doesn't have everything you want. Romance anime is improbable because even if you don't care how the relationship ends up and just want a relationship, relationships are hard to come by. Romance anime is illegal if there is an age difference and one is below legal age. |
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rdturbo said: because we are pedos for watching the show and they are not pedos for watching the same show Ah yeah, I also stumbled upon mofos tweeting about Mushoku this pedo that pedo then tweeting about Redo being good show and brave for tackling the sensitive theme |
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IpreferEcchi said: Romance anime is impossible because like I said, it is a tailored perfect ideal. Real life doesn't have everything you want. Romance anime is improbable because even if you don't care how the relationship ends up and just want a relationship, relationships are hard to come by. Romance anime is illegal if there is an age difference and one is below legal age. That was a really bad way to disprove it. IpreferEcchi said: Romance anime is impossible because like I said, it is a tailored perfect ideal. Real life doesn't have everything you want. Nor does romance animes. A romance anime can definitely play out in a way that is extremely probable in real life. It definitely isn't tailor made to a specific person. So in fact, you can get more enjoyment from your real life romance than one you consume for entertainment. IpreferEcchi said: Romance anime is improbable because even if you don't care how the relationship ends up and just want a relationship, relationships are hard to come by. How is it improbable. Relationships are extremely common in real life. Which is why I said it could be escapism for some. If that specific person maybe has a hard time to come by a relationship. But don't paint it like that's true for everyone. Highschool romance is very probable to happen, and it's also usually what romance animes depict. IpreferEcchi said: Romance anime is illegal if there is an age difference and one is below legal age. Keyword being if. If we have a standard romance anime, the two are of age in a grounded scenario. Which is quite common for romance anime. Then it contradicts all three points you brought up, including this one. The scenario you brought up is not common at all. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: That just makes you seem like biased fanboy who indeed can't decipher reality from fiction; or, at best, makes you sound like you can't deal with criticism. Agree with this statement, just accept the mc fo what it is, or better, just accept MT for what it is, there is nothing wrong to create a story like this as a mere fiction, infact i like such absurd and odd stories in the japanese media, they are something you do not find often, and is the reason why i love this media after 20 years, because they do not follow a moral and do not are necessary politically correct, even the bad guy can be a hero and a story can have a bad ending. This is something refreshing far from the daily reality. Some will praise it, expecially long term novel fans, some don't, some will continue watching, some will drop it, your choice, but never attach and insult each other for personal opinions unless you like to troll and flame indeed, but this is another matter. |
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hassan-san said: i thought you dropped this series a while ago looking at your unholy amount of complaint about this show Either a masochist or people with "I have to finish what I started even if it kills me" syndrome. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: My point is, if you like a fiction where MC is a degenerate pedophile, so be it! To me, that already leaves a huge stain on the story and would rate it 6/10 at best, but you do you! Nonetheless, stop telling people (and making threads) that MC is fine, and pedophilia didn't happen, or ignore rape and pedophilia because it's fiction. That just makes you seem like biased fanboy who indeed can't decipher reality from fiction; or, at best, makes you sound like you can't deal with criticism. 1. Is Rudi a pedophille? To some extent yeah, not gonna sugarcoat the fact. 2. Because of point 1, is he flawed as a character? Yeah, definitely. 3. Do I hate pedophille? Ofc, had it happened irl, I would be the first to ring the police. 4. Because of point 2, does it affects the quality of the story? NO LOLOLOL. We're gonna lose a lot of our top 100 anime in that case, some of them have MC or main antagonist of pure evil, mass murderers, genocide mastermind, corrupt bastards, mind controlling assholes, psychopath or you name it. If anything, flawed characters opened road for better character development and better character development usually lead to better storytelling. |
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