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Apr 23, 2020 6:29 AM
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(This is a question for the people who have read further into the web comic) I like the anime so far but Baam is kind of a little bitch right now and that gets annoying. Im sure he gets stronger power wise but does he develop a harder personality as the series progresses?
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Apr 23, 2020 6:40 AM
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Yes, he will grow up both in power and as a character. And he'll have more than his handful of badass moments. But isn't it the case of pretty much all shounen protagonists?

I don't have enough memories of Bleach to make a comparison between Baam and Ichigo, but I think they are too much different characters to be compared anyway.
Apr 23, 2020 6:46 AM
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Bam will get stronger but still have a naive personality in this whole season.

But he will eventually stop being a naive person as the story progress.
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Apr 23, 2020 6:52 AM
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Yes but not this season. Season 1 doesnt really even focus on Bam and probably spends more time with the side characters.
Apr 23, 2020 6:54 AM
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It probably gonna be slow from start like Deku from MHA that take a lot of development and story progress.

If you're looking for strong badass chara from start, this isn't it.
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Apr 23, 2020 6:56 AM
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Well Bam will go through significance change throughout the series. I'm proud of Bam my boi, he has come a long way and the recent chapters really shows how much he've grown since the start.
Apr 23, 2020 6:57 AM
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It probably gonna be slow from start like Deku from MHA that take a lot of development and story progress.

If you're looking for strong badass chara from start, this isn't it.

deku was already standing up to his bully in episode 6
so it wasnt that slow

if bam is going to take a whole season then i might be too late
Apr 23, 2020 7:02 AM
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ayaan692 said:
xkazutox said:
It probably gonna be slow from start like Deku from MHA that take a lot of development and story progress.

If you're looking for strong badass chara from start, this isn't it.

deku was already standing up to his bully in episode 6
so it wasnt that slow

if bam is going to take a whole season then i might be too late


I was thinking of the MC personality and behavior. Then Tsuna from Hitman Reborn would fit Bam description if Deku doesn't.
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xkazutox said:
It probably gonna be slow from start like Deku from MHA that take a lot of development and story progress.

If you're looking for strong badass chara from start, this isn't it.


Deku had personality at the beginning of the series though. He wasnt strong right off the bat but we had a good sense of what he is going to become from episode1. Deku developed more than Bam in 1 episode compared to TOGs 4.
For TOG however, were 1/3 of the way through the first season and Bam is still useless, weak (the show litterly points this out) and he still cries for Rachel every other monologue.
Even if Bam does get better later on it doesnt take away the fact that Bam has been a shit character for 4 episodes straight and will likely continue to be that that way.
Apr 23, 2020 7:15 AM
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Short Answer: Yes

Long Answer: Hell yes he does but it feels way better since it takes time and when he actually transforms into one its truly amazing. Im sure you have heard it alot but ToG is a slow but exciting ride you just have to learn to ride with it.
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Bam will get stronger but still have a naive personality in this whole season.

But he will eventually stop being a naive person as the story progress.


Yeah. Totally agree with you. He's pretty naive, in the tower we can actually consider Baam as a new born baby. Clueless and innocent.

I just love him. I just love how the evil and darkness of the tower failed to corrupt his pure heart.
Apr 23, 2020 7:22 AM
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Deku was shy and modest but he was a being that had actual social experience, living in a actual world with interactions with other people. He was not an blank sheet personnality-wise who's known only one person and one point of view and nothing else.

This is a MC who litterally lacks personnality because he had none of the experiences that help build one. (I'm not spoiling anything there it's been said : he's known Rachel and nothing else as he appears to have no previous recollection).
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ecliptyk said:
xkazutox said:
It probably gonna be slow from start like Deku from MHA that take a lot of development and story progress.

If you're looking for strong badass chara from start, this isn't it.


Deku had personality at the beginning of the series though. He wasnt strong right off the bat but we had a good sense of what he is going to become from episode1. Deku developed more than Bam in 1 episode compared to TOGs 4.
For TOG however, were 1/3 of the way through the first season and Bam is still useless, weak (the show litterly points this out) and he still cries for Rachel every other monologue.
Even if Bam does get better later on it doesnt take away the fact that Bam has been a shit character for 4 episodes straight and will likely continue to be that that way.


Deku and Bam are incomparable.

One is a poor character that hasn't developed like 75 episodes and one's a blank slate right now whose development will feel satisfactory.
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ecliptyk said:


Deku had personality at the beginning of the series though. He wasnt strong right off the bat but we had a good sense of what he is going to become from episode1. Deku developed more than Bam in 1 episode compared to TOGs 4.
For TOG however, were 1/3 of the way through the first season and Bam is still useless, weak (the show litterly points this out) and he still cries for Rachel every other monologue.
Even if Bam does get better later on it doesnt take away the fact that Bam has been a shit character for 4 episodes straight and will likely continue to be that that way.


Deku and Bam are incomparable.

One is a poor character that hasn't developed like 75 episodes and one's a blank slate right now whose development will feel satisfactory.


You can compare there developement at the beginning of there respective series. Like I said, in the 1 or 2 eps of the show Deku grew way more as a character than Bam has in 4eps. Bam is simply unlikeable. Theres nothing about his charactor that makes anyone want to like him. Hes so flat and downright pathetic for an MC. Amazing how every other charactor in the series is WAY more interesting and developed than Bam. Reminder were 1/3 of the way through the season.
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ecliptyk said:

You can compare there developement at the beginning of there respective series. Like I said, in the 1 or 2 eps of the show Deku grew way more as a character than Bam has in 4eps. .


Oh well. I guess you didn't even read the reply so here it goes again :

Deku was shy and modest but he was a being that had actual social experience, living in a actual world with interactions with other people. He was not an blank sheet personnality-wise who's known only one person and one point of view and nothing else.

This is a MC who litterally lacks personnality because he had none of the experiences that help build one. (I'm not spoiling anything there it's been said : he's known Rachel and nothing else as he appears to have no previous recollection).



And your posts all show that you fail to understand that very idea : Bam is the social equivalent of a new born baby.
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Koelette said:
ecliptyk said:

You can compare there developement at the beginning of there respective series. Like I said, in the 1 or 2 eps of the show Deku grew way more as a character than Bam has in 4eps. .


Oh well. I guess you didn't even read the reply so here it goes again :

Deku was shy and modest but he was a being that had actual social experience, living in a actual world with interactions with other people. He was not an blank sheet personnality-wise who's known only one person and one point of view and nothing else.

This is a MC who litterally lacks personnality because he had none of the experiences that help build one. (I'm not spoiling anything there it's been said : he's known Rachel and nothing else as he appears to have no previous recollection).



And your posts all show that you fail to understand that very idea : Bam is the social equivalent of a new born baby.


Yes, thank you for litterly re affirming my point about how shit Bam has been. True he has had no interactions with others which affects his personality a lot in a negative way. Even in the way he grew up, he could still undergo better developement thus far in the series and have a more likeable personality.
He isnt a complete blank sheet tho considering he still has some sort of motive or reason for fighting. But it runs into a problem when thats the only aspect of his character.
Even if you think his character is justified for being the way it is, it still sucks ass to watch. Its unenjoyable.
This is similar to Shinji in Eva where, sure, his character undergoes a lot of stress so its normal to cry but it doesnt change the fact that the character is very unlikeable because of it.
Apr 23, 2020 8:40 AM
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I see zero problem in you disliking the character, I was just discussing the parallel with Deku.

And yeah about your dislike of the MC I totally see your point !
Apr 23, 2020 9:13 AM
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Yeah he does change, but since this is the first season, you’ll probably see him like this for awhile.

As you heard, TOG has a slow start but as the story progresses Bam will have a great character development.

So just hold on for now, but I can see where your annoyance is coming from lol.
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ecliptyk said:
Koelette said:


Oh well. I guess you didn't even read the reply so here it goes again :

Deku was shy and modest but he was a being that had actual social experience, living in a actual world with interactions with other people. He was not an blank sheet personnality-wise who's known only one person and one point of view and nothing else.

This is a MC who litterally lacks personnality because he had none of the experiences that help build one. (I'm not spoiling anything there it's been said : he's known Rachel and nothing else as he appears to have no previous recollection).



And your posts all show that you fail to understand that very idea : Bam is the social equivalent of a new born baby.


Yes, thank you for litterly re affirming my point about how shit Bam has been. True he has had no interactions with others which affects his personality a lot in a negative way. Even in the way he grew up, he could still undergo better developement thus far in the series and have a more likeable personality.
He isnt a complete blank sheet tho considering he still has some sort of motive or reason for fighting. But it runs into a problem when thats the only aspect of his character.
Even if you think his character is justified for being the way it is, it still sucks ass to watch. Its unenjoyable.
This is similar to Shinji in Eva where, sure, his character undergoes a lot of stress so its normal to cry but it doesnt change the fact that the character is very unlikeable because of it.
this seasons not even really meant to focus on Bam in all honesty, this seasons more like a setup or a prelude as they'd say to the rest of the series that will help Bam develop in the long run
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Do I call him Bam or Yoru?
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Do I call him Bam or Yoru?


Both Bam (Korean) and Yoru (Japanese) mean the same: night. I don't know why they changed the name to Japanese as they kept it as Bam in the English and Spanish Webtoons versions, but there really isn't much difference.

* Edited because I accidentally quoted twice.
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Yes, he grows throughout the series, in fact his introduction for season 3 threw me off because his way of thinking and his character changed so much. It's somewhat slow but it rewarding to see him grow this way, because you feel like you have been on the journey with him. In fact there was a very recent scene in season 3, where he confronts his past self (season 1) and it even made me emotional xD, lol, but I am a crybaby so... He is a badass in season 2 but overall as a character he grows in phases.
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"Badass"? Technically he gets OP, yes. But don't expect any character developement.


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Do I call him Bam or Yoru?
Yes.
You all need to watch Nami.

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ayaan692 said:
xkazutox said:
It probably gonna be slow from start like Deku from MHA that take a lot of development and story progress.

If you're looking for strong badass chara from start, this isn't it.

deku was already standing up to his bully in episode 6
so it wasnt that slow

if bam is going to take a whole season then i might be too late

I think you're not looking at the big picture. My Hero Academia first arc (4 episodes) took like almost a year to happen.
Tower of God ep1-4 happened literally in a few hours. It's more OoC if a character somehow shows massive change in the span of a few hour. Anyways, baam will obviously have more interaction with the others as the show progress and so do we see his character progression.
By start of season 2, if it will ever be adapted, baam is already entirely different from s1 baam.
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deku was already standing up to his bully in episode 6
so it wasnt that slow

if bam is going to take a whole season then i might be too late

I think you're not looking at the big picture. My Hero Academia first arc (4 episodes) took like almost a year to happen.
Tower of God ep1-4 happened literally in a few hours. It's more OoC if a character somehow shows massive change in the span of a few hour. Anyways, baam will obviously have more interaction with the others as the show progress and so do we see his character progression.
By start of season 2, if it will ever be adapted, baam is already entirely different from s1 baam.

lol so what?
are we supposed to wait a year that he spends in the tower to get some development? this isnt an 52 episode anime you know?
we as audience will obviously judge it in episodes
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ayaan692 said:
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I think you're not looking at the big picture. My Hero Academia first arc (4 episodes) took like almost a year to happen.
Tower of God ep1-4 happened literally in a few hours. It's more OoC if a character somehow shows massive change in the span of a few hour. Anyways, baam will obviously have more interaction with the others as the show progress and so do we see his character progression.
By start of season 2, if it will ever be adapted, baam is already entirely different from s1 baam.

lol so what?
are we supposed to wait a year that he spends in the tower to get some development? this isnt an 52 episode anime you know?
we as audience will obviously judge it in episodes
i don't know if you've got a brain or what. But of course if you want to see change, then something has to happen. It won't happen just because you want it to.
And i don't think you have the intellectual capacity needed to understand that.
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ZenithXAbyss said:
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lol so what?
are we supposed to wait a year that he spends in the tower to get some development? this isnt an 52 episode anime you know?
we as audience will obviously judge it in episodes
i don't know if you've got a brain or what. But of course if you want to see change, then something has to happen. It won't happen just because you want it to.
And i don't think you have the intellectual capacity needed to understand that.

personal attacks huh? seems like i hit a nerve
read the full conversation again and you will see how idiotic your reply was
i was answering to the guy who said dekus development was slow
we as an audience will obvioulsy gauge his improvement in episodes rather than the in universe time and then judge if it was slow or not

the dress rosa arc in one piece took 1-2 days in anime time
but 2 years for us
and they got a lot of development in these "2 days"
so according to you they got developed really fast didnt they?

thats shows you how dumb it is to measure development in "anime time"

also i dont know know how much you know about human anatomy but actually all humans do have a brain
the problem arises when people are unable to use it properly
which seems to be the issue in your case
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ayaan692 said:
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i don't know if you've got a brain or what. But of course if you want to see change, then something has to happen. It won't happen just because you want it to.
And i don't think you have the intellectual capacity needed to understand that.

personal attacks huh? seems like i hit a nerve
read the full conversation again and you will see how idiotic your reply was
i was answering to the guy who said dekus development was slow
we as an audience will obvioulsy gauge his improvement in episodes rather than the in universe time and then judge if it was slow or not

the dress rosa arc in one piece took 1-2 days in anime time
but 2 years for us
and they got a lot of development in these "2 days"
so according to you they got developed really fast didnt they?

thats shows you how dumb it is to measure development in "anime time"
i'm starting to think you're just plain stupid at this point. You just can't comprehend for shit. And regarding your OP argument, 2 days which still equates to 104 episodes. Please do tell me how much they are developing in every episode in detail, i'll concede if you can tell me. It's not like it's my argument anyway. 2 days is still much much longer than a few hours in any case. CONTEXT is the keyword. You can't just expect development out of the blue.
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ZenithXAbyss said:
ayaan692 said:

personal attacks huh? seems like i hit a nerve
read the full conversation again and you will see how idiotic your reply was
i was answering to the guy who said dekus development was slow
we as an audience will obvioulsy gauge his improvement in episodes rather than the in universe time and then judge if it was slow or not

the dress rosa arc in one piece took 1-2 days in anime time
but 2 years for us
and they got a lot of development in these "2 days"
so according to you they got developed really fast didnt they?

thats shows you how dumb it is to measure development in "anime time"
i'm starting to think you're just plain stupid at this point. You just can't comprehend for shit. And regarding your OP argument, 2 days which still equates to 104 episodes. Please do tell me how much they are developing in every episode in detail, i'll concede if you can tell me. It's not like it's my argument anyway. 2 days is still much much longer than a few hours in any case. CONTEXT is the keyword. You can't just expect development out of the blue.

ouch you didnt even understood the argument about the op comment
they didnt take 1-2 days to develop that was literally how long the whole arc was
technically they were getting developed every freaking hour
point is measuring characters development in anime time is soo damm stupid

2. what do you mean out of the blue? 4 episodes is a lot of time
eren. tanjiro, deku, emma, light, lelouch izumi shinichi, Satoru needed less than that
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actually agree with the video but compared to bam he is still a lot better
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ayaan692 said:
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i'm starting to think you're just plain stupid at this point. You just can't comprehend for shit. And regarding your OP argument, 2 days which still equates to 104 episodes. Please do tell me how much they are developing in every episode in detail, i'll concede if you can tell me. It's not like it's my argument anyway. 2 days is still much much longer than a few hours in any case. CONTEXT is the keyword. You can't just expect development out of the blue.

ouch you didnt even understood the argument about the op comment
they didnt take 1-2 days to develop that was literally how long the whole arc was
technically they were getting developed every freaking hour
point is measuring characters development in anime time is soo damm stupid

2. what do you mean out of the blue? 4 episodes is a lot of time
eren. tanjiro, deku, emma, light, lelouch izumi shinichi, Satoru needed less than that
yep, i have already confirmed that you have shit reading comprehension with your reply. This is literally going nowhere.
Have a good day, sir.
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ZenithXAbyss said:
ayaan692 said:

ouch you didnt even understood the argument about the op comment
they didnt take 1-2 days to develop that was literally how long the whole arc was
technically they were getting developed every freaking hour
point is measuring characters development in anime time is soo damm stupid

2. what do you mean out of the blue? 4 episodes is a lot of time
eren. tanjiro, deku, emma, light, lelouch izumi shinichi, Satoru needed less than that
yep, i have already confirmed that you have shit reading comprehension with your reply. This is literally going nowhere.
Have a good day, sir.

lol i guess you ran out of excuses
"Please do tell me how much they are developing in every episode in detail"
its funny how you suddenly wanted to measure in episodes again and not anime time because its was more convenient for you lol

have a good day
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Not the best anime ever but there are much worst things than it rated higher so id say no.

Also bam has no character development!
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Not the best anime ever but there are much worst things than it rated higher so id say no.

Also bam has no character development!


what the heck is wrong with you? i find you everywhere on TOG, i said that you can just drop it but no, wtf? and how do you know baam got no character development? did you read the webtoon? dude you're just a trash that can't handle the truth, so you trash on anime that other ppl like, you want attention that much from others because you know how worthless you really are, i've seen some haters but they just dropped the anime, but you? no, the more you talk the more and more worthless your opinion becames, you're ruining other ppl enjoyment is that what you want? then i must say you lost that one since everyone already know you're just an attention whore.
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Don't feed the troll. He has a YouTube channel and tries to anger people to do videos about it, ignore him.
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ecliptyk said:
For TOG however, were 1/3 of the way through the first season and Bam is still useless, weak (the show litterly points this out) and he still cries for Rachel every other monologue.
Even if Bam does get better later on it doesnt take away the fact that Bam has been a shit character for 4 episodes straight and will likely continue to be that that way.


That's because the first season is basically just the prologue of a series that will most likely rival One Piece in its length once it is finished. Also, I agree that Bam is a weak character in the beginning, but that doesn't equal him being a badly written character. I think people mistake the two of them a lot.

It's simple, a lot of mangaka and webtoon authors seem to enjoy writing stories where the main character starts off with a weak character and gets enough character development to become badass. Sure, there's the popular trope of making the character weak in powers. But the trope of a weak and in some cases even wimpy character developing into a strong and likeable character (again character wise, not strength wise) only really appeared in the last 9-10 years.

At least the first manga with an MC like that that comes to my mind is Tokyo Ghoul. Though there, the character development is way more drastic than in ToG. I'd say Boku no Hero Academia takes a similar approach to Tower of God though it's still different. As I'm only halfway through the webtoon, I don't know how much Bam develops until where the webtoon currently is. But he is definitely a lot different from the way Bam is during season 1.

So if you aren't patient and don't like the appeal of a weak naive character developing into a strong character who knows what he wants, that's fine. I still think the series has a ton of other appeal, because it has a ton of depth. I wouldn't say Bam is anywhere close to being my favourite character. There a ton of good characters and incredible world building that make up for it. Though again, the world building doesn't really begin to shine until season 2 in the webtoon which will most likely be in season 2 in the anime if there will be one.
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ayaan692 said:

lol so what?
are we supposed to wait a year that he spends in the tower to get some development? this isnt an 52 episode anime you know?
we as audience will obviously judge it in episodes


This is an anime adapting an ongoing webtoon with nearly 500 chapters which probably isn't even halfway over. It's not as if they're going to rewrite the character of the MC just because the first season of the anime is only 13 episodes short. If there's going to be multiple seasons, there will be a lot of them. The length of the source material is what matters and not the length of the season. It would be an entirely different matter if the source material was short.
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He will get a small power up in few episodes.

After that it be more fun to read/watch.

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Both Bam (Korean) and Yoru (Japanese) mean the same: night. I don't know why they changed the name to Japanese as they kept it as Bam in the English and Spanish Webtoons versions, but there really isn't much difference.

* Edited because I accidentally quoted twice.

Because of a certain analogy at the end of this season.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I had to get to the season finale again, it's been years since I've read that.
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You must realize he doesn't have any memories and spent his whole life in some dark cave. He doesn't know anything. Is naive. no one taught him how to actually fight.
The most amazing thing about Tower of God is actually seeing Bam grow and change. They already mentioned at the start of anime that he is a "monster" and doing crazy things normal people wouldn't have courage to do.

The whole epic story is basically watching how Bam grows into the role that others want him to fulfill.

real spoilers ahead, read on your own danger!!!
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The stupidity of some of the people commenting on this thread is unbelievable. They want a character to suddenly hit a switch and change in the span of a few episodes, which covers a few days.

They think changing suddenly like an on/off switch is character development.
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The stupidity of some of the people commenting on this thread is unbelievable. They want a character to suddenly hit a switch and change in the span of a few episodes, which covers a few days.

They think changing suddenly like an on/off switch is character development.


+ lol i laugh at their posts
Thats why they aren't the Author of one of the most popular fictional World[s]
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yes, he does become a badass in the future. not in the typical way like most anime where all of a sudden the mc is ridiculously op to the point where literally nobody at all stands a chance, but in a progressive/growth rate, which is probably the best way imo. it's lame when mc's just become way too op at the flick of a switch. but bam for sure becomes a force to be reckoned with.


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I think bam in the futur will becomes like kaneki Ken from tokyo ghoul because kaneki in the begining was kind,naive, weak exactly like bam but after he been tortured by a psycho ghoul jason he completly change he become the oposed of himself and join a dangerous criminal group aogiri to protect his friend exactly like bam when joining fug. So i say bam is the kaneki of Tog
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Yup he is more badass in the second season.

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I feel like none of these comments even read the webtoon?

OP, literally the first episode of season 2 will be him being strong enough to fight every single regular from the first season without even moving.
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Yes he is gonna become a much better character. I know the reply comes a bit late but I just wanted to say that the author made him a little bitch on purpose. Take Eren Jaeger for example: Most people find him super annoying and don't like how he was written but the mangaka made him this way so that he can develop which he can does extraordinary well. Same goes with Baam.
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Itโ€™s time to ditch the text file.
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