Ishuzoku Reviewers Episode 3 Discussion

That being said, the weird transphobic remarks (dudes becoming women just to sneak into the lady's bathhouses, or to trick a man into having sex with them) and the homophobic remarks (everyone seems to be weirdly bothered by Crim being interested in men), kinda shoots the show in the foot imo. Like, for a show that seems to be very pro-sex and very pro-sex worker, these off handed elements just seem to clash with that.

There's also the off-handed comment about how a dude having sex with a woman who turns into a dude isn't necessarily gay, because what matters is how she identifies on the inside, rather than how she may present on the outside, which comes across as blatantly pro-trans.

Esquirtit said:
What "transphobic remarks"? How do you completely ignore the context of what's actually presented here? This would definitely be the fantasy of the average male when asked what to do if given a potion to transform into a female. In fact, it's what happened and why they disallowed users to go outside. And if we're being honest, people would use to get laid without a doubt. That's just being realistic and relatable.

"Weirdly bothered", of course. The average heterosexual male would never find it weird that their guy friend wants to get fucked by a guy. Next time a friend of mine who I believed to be heterosexual suddenly says he would be okay with a guy fucking him, I won't freak out because that's homophobic apparently.

Clearly Stunk and Zel are as heterosexual as you can get. They're not written to cater to your sensibilities and don't need to be. Let the heterosexuals have fun. Crim being bisexual isn't enough?

Or this is just a comedy ecchi with an episode about magical genderswapping. I feel like this is just saying she was born a woman and only changed sex through magic for one night, so it's not gay.

Deknijff said:
For a society that seems so sexually liberated they sure are acting afraid that our adorable little futa Crim is bi

Mienus said:
The episodes are definitely getting hotter as they go along, but like the first episode, the comedy just felt overall pretty weak. It's definitely a show that's going to be carried by its ecchi content, but at the same time I don't know how they make it more vulgar than this unless they collaborate with studio Seven.

That being said, the weird transphobic remarks (dudes becoming women just to sneak into the lady's bathhouses, or to trick a man into having sex with them) and the homophobic remarks (everyone seems to be weirdly bothered by Crim being interested in men), kinda shoots the show in the foot imo. Like, for a show that seems to be very pro-sex and very pro-sex worker, these off handed elements just seem to clash with that.

It's like the creators push the boundaries of what is socially acceptable to be in anime before it becomes hentai, but feels very narrow-minded in its scope. The characters in the show become women to get the "female experience", but yet they still choose to bang only women (and one futa), rather than explore the collideascope of sexual deviances. They even go as far as to low key break the fourth-wall and talk about how "they wouldn't want to see that" when it comes to a dude having sex as a lady who transformed into a dude.

This is even further clouded by the fact that the characters are at the very least open to the idea of gender swapping (albeit, strictly for sexual pleasure, rather than any genuine feelings of being trans), and are okay with the idea of male sex-workers (in-boys), but at the same time are weirded out when Crim might want to have sex with a man instead of a woman. There's also the off-handed comment about how a dude having sex with a woman who turns into a dude isn't necessarily gay, because what matters is how she identifies on the inside, rather than how she may present on the outside, which comes across as blatantly pro-trans. This just makes the show seem very clouded and conflicted, or at the very least ignorant of a couple things.

redwhitenblue said:
GTFO with the -phobic, -ism, -ist bullshit. The people here aren't buying what you're peddling. Go push your agenda elsewhere.

James-LastOmnic said:
This show is actually 10/10 unironically

The true Coomer masterpiece.

Mienus said:


It's neither realistic nor relatable. There really aren't any actual trans people in the show, but nonetheless this is the closest representation they have in the show. I think it would be less bothersome if there was any real conception of people transitioning from one gender to the other for reasons that aren't strictly sexual, but those don't come up - this leaves the implication that people would only really want to do such a thing for sexual reasons.

Mienus said:


Yes, it is homophobic lmao. Why would you ever freak out about a friend being gay? Imo, if you freak out about that, you're just a pussy and a shitty friend.

Mienus said:
Quite personally, I think that if someone is going to be reviewing something, anything, be it movies, music, anime, or even sex, I think it makes sense for such people to have a broad palate and an open mind. Imo, it would be much more interesting for a show about exploring and reviewing sex to cover as broad of a base as possible. We already have characters who are interested in elderly women, who I don't think really speak to either of our "sensibilities", so then why not go the extra mile and include men too?

Mienus said:


It seems like it would be a rather strange and on-the-nose comment to make about transgenderism coming from an ostensibly dumbed down ecchi show. Like, just because there is fanservice doesn't mean that there aren't any underlying thoughts, ideas, or implications that the audience isn't meant to pick up on. The show is already pretty damn pro-sex worker, which is no doubt a contentious political issue, so I don't think it's really all out of the realm of possibility that there's more that's going on than just sex.

Deknijff said:
For a society that seems so sexually liberated they sure are acting afraid that our adorable little futa Crim is bi

Esquirtit said:
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TsukuyomiREKT said:
This show is wild and I absolutely love it.



People like it because it's hilarious. Not that hard to understand.

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MarlyTT said:


Stop taking the bait.

Fl0ri4n said:
The problem is that its not hilarious. Its a trashy hentai without the sex scenes. Its literally not more than that

Esquirtit said:
Everything has to be ''representation'' or making some ''statement''. Fam, it's a shop that sells magical genderswap potions for people who are feeling horny, and it only lasts 1 day. But whatever, interpret it however you want. It'll just make me and others laugh because it's just a raunchy comedy, how is pointing out common male fantasies ''transphobic''. If anything, you deriving this meaning out of it is the real transphobia lol.

Show: ''Males would do naughty things if allowed to use genderswap potions freely''
You: "THAT'S TRANSPHOBIC"

That would mean someone I thought I knew suddenly comes out and says he's bisexual, why the fuck wouldn't that be a moment of surprise and confusion? You're honestly a sensitive little pussy.

And I completely disagree, don't need to this anime exploring gender identity and non-heterosexuality thoroughly. You would just get people like you still cry for even more representation or nitpick and accuse it of whatever phobia. It would completely suck, the whole anime would be way different and lose its appeal for many who just want a good ecchi comedy. I think it's obvious this show is heterosexual for the most part, just a little bit of futa.

We're talking about a prostitute born as a woman taking this genderswap potion and fuck a guy. A prostitute, not some woman dealing with gender identity issues. None of it has to do with transgenderism. It's all about sexual intercourse and sexuality.

Deknijff said:
For a society that seems so sexually liberated they sure are acting afraid that our adorable little futa Crim is bi

Esquirtit said:


I considered whether he was baiting or not, but I don't think he was, at least not completely.



Then stay away Mr. TrashTaste. This show is obviously is not aimed at low level thinkers such as yourself. Only the highest order can truly appreciate it.

Mienus said:
Yes, because the only reason any dude would EVER want a genderswap potion is to be a pervert. The only reason a dude would EVER want to be a woman is to creep on other women. You see the implication here? That trans women are only identifying as such to sneak into bathhouses and to trick other men? You don't even need to exclude the entire joke, just have an off-handed comment by one of the characters saying that might not be the only reason and as far as I'm concerned that would demonstrate that the show has some level of tact and nuance to it that wouldn't at all detract from the raunchy comedy.

Mienus said:
Because it's not really a big deal, nor is it that confusing. Whenever found out that someone I knew was gay or bisexual or whatever, at most my reaction was "oh, okay" and then I moved on with my daily life.

Mienus said:


Yes, because the only reason any dude would EVER want a genderswap potion is to be a pervert. The only reason a dude would EVER want to be a woman is to creep on other women. You see the implication here? That trans women are only identifying as such to sneak into bathhouses and to trick other men? You don't even need to exclude the entire joke, just have an off-handed comment by one of the characters saying that might not be the only reason and as far as I'm concerned that would demonstrate that the show has some level of tact and nuance to it that wouldn't at all detract from the raunchy comedy.

Mienus said:

Because it's not really a big deal, nor is it that confusing. Whenever found out that someone I knew was gay or bisexual or whatever, at most my reaction was "oh, okay" and then I moved on with my daily life.

Mienus said:

I never said it need to be some in-depth exploration on the level of something like Wandering Son. I think that would detract from the overall experience. But that doesn't mean there can't be little moments sprinkled throughout.

Take like a different concept for example: Let's assume that our main characters are interacting with a woman who isn't a sex worker and, instead of being weird perverts, they just treat her as they would anyone else. This would essentially signal that our main characters are capable of differentiating between how to treat sex workers that you are paying and otherwise ordinary women. It wouldn't be distracting at all, but still promote the idea that people are capable of enjoying sex but not be degenerate pigs - which is a sentiment that I would hope you and I can both agree with.

Mienus said:

Regardless, the sentiment is still there: That having sex with who has the body of a man but identifies as a woman is not the same as having sex with a man. And it's something that's present regardless of whether or not it's a prostitute or a trans person.

Bob-o-Dominador said:
Maybe it's just anime being kinda of cringe (nothing new) but yeah, that was very dumb, like: c'mon guys, one of yours changed sex to be filled by goo at every hole but mysionary kinda gay sex is too much? XD

Bob-o-Dominador said:
Unfortunately many people will see this scene and think that it reflects the reality of trans people. But on the other hand, many will see in it how toxic the mentality of traditional straight men is. This fits more in the mindset of the person watching, so I wouldn't blame the anime for that.

especially since maybe they do something interesting with Crim’s sexuality.

Anyway, if i were you i wouldn't even waste time arguing with these people, they are a lot of liberals who don't know anything about liberalism or conservatives dying to lynch some supposed SJW, you will never change their mind but they also will only talk to you in ways that make you seems bad, so why even try?

Esquirtit said:
Again I seriously don't see where this trans talk comes from, highly doubt this was the intention. It's just magic genderswapping bruh, for pervs.

Esquirtit said:
Still, trans people were never even mentioned. It was about users of this potion in general. They even implied the MC's would so something like this, so it's really stupid to accuse it of transphobia imo.

Fl0ri4n said:
The problem is that its not hilarious. Its a trashy hentai without the sex scenes. Its literally not more than that