| How far do you like your "degenerate" content to go in anime? |
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| every time I see some one use that term I wonder if they realize that using it in that context originates from nazi propaganda... |
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| Tbh I consider myself to be pretty open regarding of contents in fiction. Some that I can't stomach probably things like eroguro and the likes. I don't like polyamory also. |
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| If by that you mean how much do I care for sexual content, I don't really like it much usually, but sometimes it makes sense. I don't think there's a specific "line" I've drawn; if anything for me the criterion is "how gratuitous does this feel"? For example, in Cross Ange (sexual assault) and even Yosuga no Sora (incest, or technically not just incest but also other things) the sexual content is used as a plot point that's very relevant to the story and thus it makes sense, so I'm fine with this, while Valkyrie Drive made me nope out because it was just gratuitous boobies if I recall correctly. Anyhow, I don't call it "degenerate", either. |
GlennMagusHarveyJan 3, 2020 2:31 AM
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| Scat fetish, perhaps? Just because I can't see being as interested in it when there so many different topics under the sun and so many avenues you can take your show down. Ultimately though, I suppose I don't really have one. I never understand arguments either that conflate a show's depiction of an act or event with an endorsement of it. By the same logic, every show with murder endorses murder. But that seems to be a built-in exception to the doublethink. I don't watch a lot of gay content (yaoi, yuri?) but not because of either some strong moral or ideological objection to homosexuality in real life or its depiction in art, or any instinctive physical repulsion to it. There's just a lot more types of stories I'm more interested in, and as simple or basic as that sounds, it's the truth. You could show someone raping the corpse of a mouse with a pair of electrified tweezers though for all I care, as long as it has some purpose in the story. |
WatchTillTandavaJan 3, 2020 12:24 AM
| There is no line, the more weird/disturbing something is, the more my curiosity is piqued. I used to actively search for films/TV shows/whatnot like this a few years back. Actually, I haven't watched any yaoi series as of yet, though that's just because I'm not really interested... |
| I don't draw any lines, it's fiction. Let the creators entertain me with all sorts of stuff. But the toothbrush scene in nisemonogatari was a bit disturbing for me when I first watched it. |
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GakutoDeathGlare said: Actually, I haven't watched any yaoi series as of yet, though that's just because I'm not really interested... I watched this one two months before I joined MAL. |
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WatchTillTandava said: Scat fetish is for when one's waifu is really shit.Scat fetish, perhaps? |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| It's all fiction so nothing is too degenerate. |
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| loli and shota, they have cute designs but other than that its a no-no--in terms of tags of course, as actual characters it depends but only if they don't have too much fanservice. although there aren't as many shotas as there are loli. |
uninventiveJan 3, 2020 3:52 AM
| misato > asuka > rei |
| Yeah, defo when the hot girl gets off to being raped by some fat bastard. That's some of the worst content this medium has to offer... |
Yeah, defo when the hot girl gets off to being raped by some fat bastard. That's some of the worst content this medium has to offer... oh yeah i forgot about that, i always thought it was to self-insert into the ugly bastard but idk, maybe some girls like that |
| misato > asuka > rei |
deg said: i want vanilla sexual content more so i cannot relate @-Seiya- why do you not quote properly the user so that they can be notified when you quote them? lol i usually see you do this partial quoting stuff like this? (((character limit)))) |
| misato > asuka > rei |
shirakawa_megumi said: FlowersInTheRain said: OT: I actually don’t like degenerate stuff in anime. 90s cartoons in the west had none of it. Studio Ghibli had none of it. It really isn’t needed. You don't "need" it, but it's like rollercoaster. You don't need it, but some people like to go on rollercoaster. Some people prefer smooth ride on flat road. Everybody has their own tastes. FlowersInTheRain said: As for the line in degenerate anime; I’d say rape is the line. Also loli Ecchi because it’s just too weird for me to stomach. Everyone hate lolis! Why you hate lolis but not hate shota? This isn't equality which Kazuma fight for! Usually they also hate sexualized Shotas when they say that they hate sexualized Lolis. And I don't like it either as well and is the only Line I am willing to draw the line. Other things I am not a fan of are glorified Sexual assault, netorare and incest. However, such things can still have a reason to be there in a story. What if it is about a victim of a pedofile for example. But then the question becomes, how can you depict them without glorifying them? Ofcourse there is also comedy where the perv gets smacked on the face as well, but some ppl don't get the joke and think that the pervy act is the joke instead of him getting his cumupins. It all depends on framing in the end. But for the rest, I say GO ALL OUT! Am I the only one who brought up Netorare here? |
-Seiya- said: Yeah, defo when the hot girl gets off to being raped by some fat bastard. That's some of the worst content this medium has to offer... oh yeah i forgot about that, i always thought it was to self-insert into the ugly bastard but idk, maybe some girls like that Well there is rape fantasy, but that is just a couple having sex while acting like it is rape..... |
| that hentai genre where they get fingered and rape in the tube. especially because its a serious problem in Asia to the point where there's whole ass female-only trains bc gross perverts cant keep their stinky hands to themselves. it makes me sick. also romanticised rape and abuse in yaoi. |
| Probably only eroguro and rape, but maybe not even eroguro. |
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| Having a line is degenerate fake weebs |
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Maneki-Mew said: How is it even incest, if they aren't related, not even pseudo. You only have a piece of paper that tells you "no". I don't if you meant to quote me, but I agree. Also the great country Nippon don't criminalize real incest even, what a deal! Maneki-Mew said: shirakawa_megumi said: Okay, sure. You say "victim of a pedophile", so you consider "loli" to be someone under 12? I didn't expect that, just was wondering. About your definition... Well I can't call it definition. Would it mean that 15 yo in story where she is in love with her teacher would classify as loli, but if she was having sex with her classmate, then not loli...? You can say you don't like age gap, sure, but determining which character is loli/shota based on her/his relationships is stupid. By your definition Holo would be loli as she is looking 14-16-ish and story involves 20 year old male, that's correct? No, also if a character with childlike behavior and appearance is sexualized by the anime. Then use the term "inappropiate relationships for their age". I'm open at relationships everyone over 16, if they act like that, with someone who is older than them. For all I care, do your do. But I'm disgusted at an adult with a character that looks like a kid and / or acts like that. If the anime wants you to be disgusted, good, but these portray it like in a very positive light. Uhm she looks like 18-begin20s to me? Well what's inappropriate is highly debatable, but sure. My point is, if you say that 15 year old is loli, then she will always be, doesn't matter if she is portrayed as sexual being with someone her age of older. "In her human form, Holo appears as a 15-year-old girl with long orange/brown hair and red eyes, although she still retains her wolf ears and tail." If we talk about looks, without using "1000 year old dragon" or in this case "quite old wolf" excuse, what makes you think this is 20 year old  But this is 13-14 year old, if they the same size? This makes no sense.  Just accept your favorite character is in fact a loli by your own definition. この犯罪者だ！ロリコン女！ |
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Maneki-Mew said: shirakawa_megumi said: I always wonder, when people say that, what's your definition of loli? Also do you like shota then, because you didn't mention it. Of course I don't like Shouta. Did you really expect that now? The term is just not used that often. I mean characters that are actual kids and some under 16 with a partner much older than them, characters that look like they are 10 and their age is an excuse (there was a terrible Boys Love anime, where the 16yo boy looked and acted like he's 12) and characters that act way younger than their actual age. Shicchi said: Tbh I consider myself to be pretty open regarding of contents in fiction. Some that I can't stomach probably things like eroguro and the likes. I don't like polyamory also. ??? I googled that term. Guess I don't need to cook for lunch now haha Ouchh I'm sorry you googled them x_x |
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shirakawa_megumi said: Maneki-Mew said: How is it even incest, if they aren't related, not even pseudo. You only have a piece of paper that tells you "no". I don't if you meant to quote me, but I agree. Also the great country Nippon don't criminalize real incest even, what a deal! Maneki-Mew said: No, also if a character with childlike behavior and appearance is sexualized by the anime. Then use the term "inappropiate relationships for their age". I'm open at relationships everyone over 16, if they act like that, with someone who is older than them. For all I care, do your do. But I'm disgusted at an adult with a character that looks like a kid and / or acts like that. If the anime wants you to be disgusted, good, but these portray it like in a very positive light. Uhm she looks like 18-begin20s to me? Well what's inappropriate is highly debatable, but sure. My point is, if you say that 15 year old is loli, then she will always be, doesn't matter if she is portrayed as sexual being with someone her age of older. "In her human form, Holo appears as a 15-year-old girl with long orange/brown hair and red eyes, although she still retains her wolf ears and tail." If we talk about looks, without using "1000 year old dragon" or in this case "quite old wolf" excuse, what makes you think this is 20 year old But this is 13-14 year old, if they the same size? This makes no sense. Just accept your favorite character is in fact a loli by your own definition. この犯罪者だ！ロリコン女！ You know that more adultish faces look different than those from kids? I'm also 1.55 tall and I'm 27. She has a total normal height? MAL says she's 1.60. For Japan this is even pretty average. Shicchi said: Maneki-Mew said: Of course I don't like Shouta. Did you really expect that now? The term is just not used that often. I mean characters that are actual kids and some under 16 with a partner much older than them, characters that look like they are 10 and their age is an excuse (there was a terrible Boys Love anime, where the 16yo boy looked and acted like he's 12) and characters that act way younger than their actual age. ??? I googled that term. Guess I don't need to cook for lunch now haha Ouchh I'm sorry you googled them x_x Nah it's okay, that was a joke. I'm used to a lot, still this is disgusting haha. |
Maneki-Mew said: shirakawa_megumi said: I don't if you meant to quote me, but I agree. Also the great country Nippon don't criminalize real incest even, what a deal! Well what's inappropriate is highly debatable, but sure. My point is, if you say that 15 year old is loli, then she will always be, doesn't matter if she is portrayed as sexual being with someone her age of older. "In her human form, Holo appears as a 15-year-old girl with long orange/brown hair and red eyes, although she still retains her wolf ears and tail." If we talk about looks, without using "1000 year old dragon" or in this case "quite old wolf" excuse, what makes you think this is 20 year old But this is 13-14 year old, if they the same size? This makes no sense. Just accept your favorite character is in fact a loli by your own definition. この犯罪者だ！ロリコン女！ You know that more adultish faces look different than those from kids? I'm also 1.55 tall and I'm 27. She has a total normal height? MAL says she's 1.60. For Japan this is even pretty average. Please explain to me, how in the world you can differentiate between anime faced, when they all flat, lack features and are very unrealistically drawn? I mean I can understand your thinking about their behavior and character, but please, anime isn't drawn that detailed you can tell age by faces. If you really, really can find these characteristics of 20 year old, but not 15 year old in her face, then I'm gonna congratulate you, because it's something to be proud of, that you can tell that from drawing like that.  Sure she looks like she's already legally allowed to drink and smoke in Japan! 155 cm do you Mean Holo or Megumin? Because Megumin is also around that height. And I know that's normal height. I had classmate in highschool which was sized exactly like that and was also flat like them. Nothing changed even after graduation, still short, still flat, still very Megumin sized. However Holo is wolf from Europe and Megumin is wizard from fantasy world, Japanese height standards don't apply. |
shirakawa_megumiJan 3, 2020 6:17 AM
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FlowersInTheRain said: shirakawa_megumi said: You don't "need" it, but it's like rollercoaster. You don't need it, but some people like to go on rollercoaster. Some people prefer smooth ride on flat road. Everybody has their own tastes. Everyone hate lolis! Why you hate lolis but not hate shota? This isn't equality which Kazuma fight for! What is shota? Characters characters Shota is male equivalent to loli. However for some reason some extremist would call any girl below 18 "loli", but they won't do the same for shota, so it's like boy from primary/elementary school?  I don't watch shota really because not my thing, but for example something like him, from Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon https://myanimelist.net/character/136735/Shouta_Magatsuchi It's type of person which priests like the most, small altar boys. Or this whole anime https://myanimelist.net/anime/36817/Sunohara-sou_no_Kanrinin-san You know, big tittied oneesans grope all over prepubescent boys. Which is not good, because he is not capable of impregnating them, so biology says big no-no to it. |
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| Sorry, I don't know what degeneracy is. Every time the word comes up, I'm too busy "reading" ugly bastard netorare rimjob scat vore. |
Freshell said: This is definitely why Trump-sama wants to end the world.ugly bastard |
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| Hmm. There's stuff that definitely creeps me out but I'll usually tolerate it if the story is good. Mini skirts on little kids creeps me out, and it's pretty prevalent through most anime. Madoka Magica is probably the best example of that. They aren't overt with it with creepy camera shots or anything suggestive from the characters but it's there. Playing the Danganronpa games and some of the female deaths have creepy sexual undertones. Particularly one in the third game where she's tortured in a way where she gradually loses all her clothes and then dies in a suggestive pose and it's like "What the fuck!? This is a really sad moment with a character that I gave a shit about and you're now making it pervy for no reason." I've seen worse stuff in some hentai but at least it's meant to be there so it's not like they're shoe-horning in creepy stuff into a normal story. |
| how bout some show with 12 episodes of good baby rape? is there an audience for that? |
shirakawa_megumi said: Shota is male equivalent to loli. However for some reason some extremist would call any girl below 18 "loli", but they won't do the same for shota, so it's like boy from primary/elementary school? I don't watch shota really because not my thing, but for example something like him, from Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon https://myanimelist.net/character/136735/Shouta_Magatsuchi It's type of person which priests like the most, small altar boys. Or this whole anime https://myanimelist.net/anime/36817/Sunohara-sou_no_Kanrinin-san You know, big tittied oneesans grope all over prepubescent boys. Which is not good, because he is not capable of impregnating them, so biology says big no-no to it. I see. Well here is my take - a lot of anime characters appear older than they are (no surprise). So if the loli or shota looks old enough (including face) then I am fine with it (going by the U.K. legal age of consent which is 16). For example - my new Waifu, Nanael looks about 17 to me but I didn’t actually see her age on any wiki I looked at or even on my Waifu list website. I have seen hentai of prepubescent boys with grown women and to me it is crossing the line. That said, I speak for myself. If anything that I feel crosses the line doesn’t for others then have at it. And if it helps people who may actually become pedophiles in real life get their victimless fix then all the better. Not saying that everyone who likes loli / shota is a potential pedophile but you guys can’t really get mad when people who don’t understand your interest in this sort of thing make that comparison. |
shirakawa_megumi said: Maneki-Mew said: You know that more adultish faces look different than those from kids? I'm also 1.55 tall and I'm 27. She has a total normal height? MAL says she's 1.60. For Japan this is even pretty average. Please explain to me, how in the world you can differentiate between anime faced, when they all flat, lack features and are very unrealistically drawn? I mean I can understand your thinking about their behavior and character, but please, anime isn't drawn that detailed you can tell age by faces. If you really, really can find these characteristics of 20 year old, but not 15 year old in her face, then I'm gonna congratulate you, because it's something to be proud of, that you can tell that from drawing like that. Sure she looks like she's already legally allowed to drink and smoke in Japan! 155 cm do you Mean Holo or Megumin? Because Megumin is also around that height. And I know that's normal height. I had classmate in highschool which was sized exactly like that and was also flat like them. Nothing changed even after graduation, still short, still flat, still very Megumin sized. However Holo is wolf from Europe and Megumin is wizard from fantasy world, Japanese height standards don't apply. I meant myself? I stated it clearly. I'm also 1.55 tall Because kids faces are drawn rounder etc., there is no way you couldn't see that. |
| Other than the obvious gross insta-nope stuff like scat, vomit, eroguro or similar then idk, it depends on the context In general I think "degenerate" stuff should still somehow make sense if and when it does happen. If it's just forced in for the hell of it then it's unlikely to be satisfying either way |
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| Probably whenever theres sexualization of kids' bodies, this is actually sickening and its weird to to think that some people watch it. I usually avoid shows like eromanga like a plague. Im glad at least that shows like these get hated and criticized by most people and end up with low scores cause that kind of stuff give me hope |
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GakutoDeathGlare said: There is no line, the more weird/disturbing something is, the more my curiosity is piqued. I used to actively search for films/TV shows/whatnot like this a few years back. Actually, I haven't watched any yaoi series as of yet, though that's just because I'm not really interested... Not sure about newer stuff, but there are some older Yaoi with some really interesting stories, I'd recommend the 90s Ai no Kusabi OVA for starters. Also, to actually respond to the thread, I'm not really one to shy away from lewd content, the only things that bother me is rape=love sort of stuff and eroguro stuff. |
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FlowersInTheRain said: kandi_gloss said: every time I see some one use that term I wonder if they realize that using it in that context originates from nazi propaganda... And what are your thoughts when someone says “nigga”? The thing is that "nigga" is used as a friendly term in certain subcultures, degenerate is almost always used as a negative or self hatred term. Also, "nigga" is a word made up by the subculture that uses it (any of them would tell you it's a different word than the racist insult, it being a tongue in cheek corruption of it not withstanding) where as degenerate originated with nazi propaganda and is still used by neo-nazi and "reactionary" groups to this day. Also, you seem to be assuming that I was upset for some reason where I was simply stating that I wonder if people know the origin of the term when they use it. Also, I was going to avoid bringing this up, but the more I think of it the more I feel like it should be, it's also been inserted into internet culture by those groups themselves to get younger people accepting of it and the ideals that surround, it is then used as a gateway term to easily suck young people in to their ideology. No, I am not being paranoid, this has actually been uncovered by groups that study this sort of stuff, I'm too lazy to look it up though. |
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