Toaru Majutsu no Index III Episode 26 Discussion

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Nurguburu said:

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Are you saying it should be higher or lower?

Higher. 7.00-7.50 at least.

Really? Because that would be in direct contrast to about 90% of the people in this forum who seem to have basically hated it. Who are the people who would be giving it such high ratings? Even most (if not all) of the general overall reviews on the main page give it low scores.

Apr 6, 2019 9:34 PM

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Elisile said:
@Tiau I actually edited my post right before yours popped up, and in the edit I said that there is probably no real reason for Acqua to need Touma's arm anymore. But you likely wouldn't have seen that, since I made the edit right as your post came in.

I'm not sure if you saw the stuff I added on about comparing this to Railgun and such? I'm just not sure how much of my post you were able to see before writing your reply, since I added some stuff after.

And yes, knowing that Carissa gets her sorry ass locked up actually does help me a LOT in terms of consistency and accountability. So I'm glad for that. She doesnt' just get away with being a violent coup leader.

Well I guess I can address what you said about Railgun now, now what you said is somewhat true in that its more personal in the sense that you have a smaller cast(for now that is). Railgun has the additional problem where the filler the anime adds actually adds conflicting characteristics. Depending on how Railgun 3 is handled, if its accurate you will notice it if Nagai has his way with it like prior seasons you probably won't notice.

But the way characters like Kongou is handled is ridiculous, I mean she actually is a key example of a issue you're referring to, because in s1 of Railgun and s2 of Railgun shes basically two different characters entirely, nevermind the part where she actually isn't even supposed to be there yet.

Kuroko also is completely flanderized, beyond belief there, imo Kuroko's Index arc in s2 handles her character better than Railgun did.

Then theres Silent Party which kinda does conflict with the overall timeline, since I can tell you right now Mikoto doesn't actually start relying on her friends like that thing implies it does, mostly because it never happened in the actual manga

Apr 6, 2019 9:37 PM

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Tiau said:

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@Tiau I actually edited my post right before yours popped up, and in the edit I said that there is probably no real reason for Acqua to need Touma's arm anymore. But you likely wouldn't have seen that, since I made the edit right as your post came in.

I'm not sure if you saw the stuff I added on about comparing this to Railgun and such? I'm just not sure how much of my post you were able to see before writing your reply, since I added some stuff after.

And yes, knowing that Carissa gets her sorry ass locked up actually does help me a LOT in terms of consistency and accountability. So I'm glad for that. She doesnt' just get away with being a violent coup leader.

Well I guess I can address what you said about Railgun now, now what you said is somewhat true in that its more personal in the sense that you have a smaller cast(for now that is). Railgun has the additional problem where the filler the anime adds actually adds conflicting characteristics. Depending on how Railgun 3 is handled, if its accurate you will notice it if Nagai has his way with it like prior seasons you probably won't notice.

But the way characters like Kongou is handled is ridiculous, I mean she actually is a key example of a issue you're referring to, because in s1 of Railgun and s2 of Railgun shes basically two different characters entirely, nevermind the part where she actually isn't even supposed to be there yet.

Kuroko also is completely flanderized, beyond belief there, imo Kuroko's Index arc in s2 handles her character better than Railgun did.

Then theres Silent Party which kinda does conflict with the overall timeline, since I can tell you right now Mikoto doesn't actually start relying on her friends like that thing implies it does, mostly because it never happened in the actual manga

Fair enough, fair enough. See, this is where your knowledge of the subject far surpasses my own.

Apr 6, 2019 9:49 PM

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Elisile said:

Nurguburu said:

Higher. 7.00-7.50 at least.

Really? Because that would be in direct contrast to about 90% of the people in this forum who seem to have basically hated it. Who are the people who would be giving it such high ratings? Even most (if not all) of the general overall reviews on the main page give it low scores.

direct contrast? Darling in the FranXX is hated with the general overall reviews on the main page and yet the score is 7.55. It's the same with Slime (with a fucking score of 8.26!) Even trash shows like Domestic na Kanojo has a score >7. This season is unfairly treated.

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Apr 6, 2019 9:50 PM

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Elisile said:

Tiau said:

Well I guess I can address what you said about Railgun now, now what you said is somewhat true in that its more personal in the sense that you have a smaller cast(for now that is). Railgun has the additional problem where the filler the anime adds actually adds conflicting characteristics. Depending on how Railgun 3 is handled, if its accurate you will notice it if Nagai has his way with it like prior seasons you probably won't notice.

But the way characters like Kongou is handled is ridiculous, I mean she actually is a key example of a issue you're referring to, because in s1 of Railgun and s2 of Railgun shes basically two different characters entirely, nevermind the part where she actually isn't even supposed to be there yet.

Kuroko also is completely flanderized, beyond belief there, imo Kuroko's Index arc in s2 handles her character better than Railgun did.

Then theres Silent Party which kinda does conflict with the overall timeline, since I can tell you right now Mikoto doesn't actually start relying on her friends like that thing implies it does, mostly because it never happened in the actual manga

Fair enough, fair enough. See, this is where your knowledge of the subject far surpasses my own.

I just find it really interesting, since you might be one of the few people who feel this way about Acqua, even before Index 3 the guy was insanely popular. And Index 3 didn't do anything but boost peoples opinion of him as well, just really interesting you feel the way you do about him.

But I personally thought his character was good, and I personally do think it translated well enough for people to like him for the honest man he is.

Apr 6, 2019 9:59 PM

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This season was shit, even the previous seasons weren't that good but this one was extraordinarily shit. Disappointment of the year. Most things didn't make sense, the directing of the fights sucked and the pacing sucked.

What the hell did Accelerator even do? Got wings and then just flew off into the distance with us not even seeing what he did. Mikasa barely did anything this season and that other level 0 guy I have no interest in.

I hope JC Staff doesn't butcher One Punch Man like they did to Index. Also I hope we don't get a sequel, I want a reboot. I've read the first few novels of Index and it's awesome but unfortunately reading LN isn't my thing. I read some English novels and I prefer holding a physical book in my hand.

3/10

Apr 6, 2019 10:10 PM

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Mikasa barely did anything this season and that other level 0 guy I have no interest in.

Ditto. But others on here, especially Tiau, have helped to clear up that Hamazura actually DOES have relevance, it's just maybe not been fully shown yet (aka it will come later) or the anime did a poor job of adapting it from the novels.

As for Mikoto, I'm assuming that the novels simply didn't have her doing much, so the anime did the best it could with the source material. But trust me, as an anime- only viewer (for now), I felt extremely let down by Mikoto's apparent lack of importance here. I hate how they hyped up her going to Russia, only to almost never show her and have Touma turn her away literally the only few seconds we actually got to see them together. I thought we'd at least see a hug or something lol. But I understand that the circumstances didn't exactly warrant that.

Oh, and I guess that the anime cut out the part where Mikoto actually stopped the nuclear missile. Yeah, that might have been kind of important....

Apr 6, 2019 10:14 PM

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@Tiau Oh trust me, you've helped me to understand Acqua a little better. But your explanations are not part of the anime itself. So that's why I'm not letting the show off the hook. I think it did a good job of showing Acqua's development AFTER he had already randomly decided to stop pursuing, and actually help, Touma. My complaint is that his actual reason for having his motivation towards Touma change was not explored very well. Your explanations are decent, but the anime itself can't rely on outside people having to explain it.

Apr 6, 2019 10:46 PM

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Elisile said:
@Tiau Oh trust me, you've helped me to understand Acqua a little better. But your explanations are not part of the anime itself. So that's why I'm not letting the show off the hook. I think it did a good job of showing Acqua's development AFTER he had already randomly decided to stop pursuing, and actually help, Touma. My complaint is that his actual reason for having his motivation towards Touma change was not explored very well. Your explanations are decent, but the anime itself can't rely on outside people having to explain it.

I actually only told you about stuff that was in the anime though, I definitely left out details that weren't in the anime other than well, the minor spoiler I posted last page, I just really wanted to get across that even just relying on anime material Acqua wasn't really butchered here.

And as for Misaka, honestly her being cut down on might actually help people understand her feelings better when NT comes around, lets just say her being neglected here(even including the scenes the anime cut which is pretty low scale in the grand scheme of things) and always being a step behind is intended as apart of her character arc.

Apr 6, 2019 11:04 PM

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Tiau said:

And as for Misaka, honestly her being cut down on might actually help people understand her feelings better when NT comes around, lets just say her being neglected here(even including the scenes the anime cut which is pretty low scale in the grand scheme of things) and always being a step behind is intended as apart of her character arc.

This must be a consequence of me first having my grounding basis in Railgun & Railgun S, before really even knowing about Index. So my worldview was rooted in the idea of Mikoto being the star, the main character, the center of attention, literally the heart and soul of this entire franchise. Then I find out about and watch Index, and I just assume that Touma is the cheerleader for the magic side, Mikoto is the cheerleader for the science side, and this whole show is about how their respective characters and sides intertwine. But especially in this third season, it has become more evident, especially with the help of some on this forum more knowledgeable than I, that this actually isn't the case and Mikoto is really more of a supporting character in Index. So I'm still having to adjust to that reality.

Apr 6, 2019 11:45 PM

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Nurguburu said:
6.93. That's why MAL scores are a joke.

yeah , it needs to get lower lol

Apr 6, 2019 11:47 PM

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Elisile said:

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And as for Misaka, honestly her being cut down on might actually help people understand her feelings better when NT comes around, lets just say her being neglected here(even including the scenes the anime cut which is pretty low scale in the grand scheme of things) and always being a step behind is intended as apart of her character arc.

This must be a consequence of me first having my grounding basis in Railgun & Railgun S, before really even knowing about Index. So my worldview was rooted in the idea of Mikoto being the star, the main character, the center of attention, literally the heart and soul of this entire franchise. Then I find out about and watch Index, and I just assume that Touma is the cheerleader for the magic side, Mikoto is the cheerleader for the science side, and this whole show is about how their respective characters and sides intertwine. But especially in this third season, it has become more evident, especially with the help of some on this forum more knowledgeable than I, that this actually isn't the case and Mikoto is really more of a supporting character in Index. So I'm still having to adjust to that reality.

read railgun manga if you love misaka , and there's even railgun ss novels ( i think there's 4 now )
and maybe read the index LN i see you trying to understand the anime even though it's shit ( so i think you love the series ? ) , why not give the LN a try ?

Apr 6, 2019 11:50 PM

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Just as a reminder, I haven't finished the season but BELOW 7.0?!

This is just terrible. Well, I'm still gonna watch it regardless.

I am more anticipating the 3rd Season of Railgun as I've always preferred that adaptation over Index. Too bad Index ended up with a worse team because according everybody, Index is supposed to be way more fascinating than Railgun. This is just upsetting. ^_^

Apr 6, 2019 11:53 PM

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Just as a reminder, I haven't finished the season but BELOW 7.0?!

This is just terrible. Well, I'm still gonna watch it regardless.

I am more anticipating the 3rd Season of Railgun as I've always preferred that adaptation over Index. Too bad Index ended up with a worse team because according everybody, Index is supposed to be way more fascinating than Railgun. This is just upsetting. ^_^

yeah , it's just sad that the main series gets this treatment while the side stories get a better treatment , even accel anime looks better than index 3 .

Apr 7, 2019 12:02 AM

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

Elisile said:

This must be a consequence of me first having my grounding basis in Railgun & Railgun S, before really even knowing about Index. So my worldview was rooted in the idea of Mikoto being the star, the main character, the center of attention, literally the heart and soul of this entire franchise. Then I find out about and watch Index, and I just assume that Touma is the cheerleader for the magic side, Mikoto is the cheerleader for the science side, and this whole show is about how their respective characters and sides intertwine. But especially in this third season, it has become more evident, especially with the help of some on this forum more knowledgeable than I, that this actually isn't the case and Mikoto is really more of a supporting character in Index. So I'm still having to adjust to that reality.

read railgun manga if you love misaka , and there's even railgun ss novels ( i think there's 4 now )
and maybe read the index LN i see you trying to understand the anime even though it's shit ( so i think you love the series ? ) , why not give the LN a try ?

I was more just trying to explain to Tiau why my perceptions of Index might have been skewed, that's all. And trust me, I've been wanting to read the novels. But I know that there are a LOT of them, and they're at least $10+ per novel. So that's going to require a decent monetary investment on my part. It's not free (or cheap with a Crunchyroll subscription) like the anime. And since this isn't my only hobby or monetary obligation, those novels could add up and drain the wallet pretty quick. So yes, I do want to read them. But finding the time and money (again, considering I have other things in my life) is the main issue. Plus, I was hoping that Index III might actually quench my thirst for the continuing storyline. Aaaaand we all know how that turned out lmao XD

Apr 7, 2019 2:16 AM

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Ok, this is probably one of the worst shows I seen, close to Tokyo Ghoul :re 2nd Season. Usually I never give shows under a 4, but this has to be my first one. Here's my reasons why this shows is bad:

-Index was greatly ignored despite being the titular character of the series (First two seasons had the same issue, but comedic moments between her and Touma make it up. This season had none whatsoever hence the greatly).
-Uiharu's fate is unknown (She was attacked by Kakine Teitoku and was in the crossfire of Accelrator's blast during his fight. In the LN, she did survive, but the anime didn't show that and was left her fate ambiguous).
-No backstory of the groups and are only known to LN readers.
-No explanation on how Acqua survived his defeat against Touma and friends.
-Episode 13 has poor animation and reusing scenes on certain parts.
-Episodes 4-6 and 15-17 felt like filler and could have been shoved for the Accelerator spin-off as those specifically centered around him.
-The scene where Etzali saved Xochitl was cut.
-Every arc story villain defeated ends up either dying from a future antagonist or ends up being an ally for the future arcs.
-A lot of the episodes cut the opening and ending for more story dialogue, leading to poor pacing.
-Misaka's arrival to Russia serves no purpose to the plot and doesn't do anything on the last few episodes, cutting the endings for no reason at all.
-It was cool for Shiage Hamazura to be one of the main characters, but I don't think he actually did anything to help the other protagonists in the story.
-Accelerator was somehow caught after gaining angel wings.
-Final episode doesn't show Index biting Touma at the end (This may sound silly, but I find this tradition as that's how the first 2 seasons ended once the arcs is over).
-Aleister Crowley is still being teased with no interaction between him and Touma.

4/10 This could have been a 5 because of the opening and ending songs from Maon Kurosaki and Yuka Iguchi. But I can't as the poor directing keeps cutting them out for pointless plot. J.C. Staff used to good back in the day as the first two seasons were still enjoyable. What the hell happened?

I will edit this post if I remember anything else.

lol my comment Barnald's removed is still there quoted by
Tiau. That's why MAL mods like you are a joke.

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Apr 7, 2019 3:06 AM

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Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

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>Everything I said was in the anime.

First of all barely 20% of what you said was there, my good sir, who tries to save this abomination.

And second, it means nothing if the anime has that info but communicates it in an absolute incoherent way for 26 episodes.

Tell me how is it that people DONT GET SHIT from the anime but suddenly they get it after reading a few sentences posted in the forums?

And they arent head on haters, lest say ,like in Fate threads. They really wonder what was the point of 90% of those characters and their actions.

Losing tension or failing in spectacular animation is one thing, but failing at even attempting to make other understand, no, FOLLOW, what is going on for 26 episodes is just crazy..or the work of a third rate hack.

Apr 7, 2019 7:05 AM

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>Everything I said was in the anime.

First of all barely 20% of what you said was there, my good sir, who tries to save this abomination.

And second, it means nothing if the anime has that info but communicates it in an absolute incoherent way for 26 episodes.

Tell me how is it that people DONT GET SHIT from the anime but suddenly they get it after reading a few sentences posted in the forums?

And they arent head on haters, lest say ,like in Fate threads. They really wonder what was the point of 90% of those characters and their actions.

Losing tension or failing in spectacular animation is one thing, but failing at even attempting to make other understand, no, FOLLOW, what is going on for 26 episodes is just crazy..or the work of a third rate hack.

Please, you can be upset what about whatever it is you want, but literally everything I said
>Acqua and pope not wanting to kill Touma(he literally spared and gave him a chance)
>Acqua and pope focusing on the hand instead of Touma himself because that was the entire excuse in season 2 and beginning of season 3
>Acqua having a past with Villian who he left to protect on the outside
>Acqua returning to protect Villian
>Acqua feeling like the weak shouldn’t be involved(literally the entire process of his fight with Kanzaki is them arguing this)
>Acqua becoming more used to fighting alongside people he found weak throughout the arc

All of this was in the anime, I however did not include other aspects about Acqua the anime did not cover.
Like I said, you can be mad if you want but at least be rational about it

Apr 7, 2019 7:19 AM

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SolidZone said:
Ok, this is probably one of the worst shows I seen, close to Tokyo Ghoul :re 2nd Season. Usually I never give shows under a 4, but this has to be my first one. Here's my reasons why this shows is bad:

-Index was greatly ignored despite being the titular character of the series (First two seasons had the same issue, but comedic moments between her and Touma make it up. This season had none whatsoever hence the greatly).
-Uiharu's fate is unknown (She was attacked by Kakine Teitoku and was in the crossfire of Accelrator's blast during his fight. In the LN, she did survive, but the anime didn't show that and was left her fate ambiguous).
-No backstory of the groups and are only known to LN readers.
-No explanation on how Acqua survived his defeat against Touma and friends.
-Episode 13 has poor animation and reusing scenes on certain parts.
-Episodes 4-6 and 15-17 felt like filler and could have been shoved for the Accelerator spin-off as those specifically centered around him.
-The scene where Etzali saved Xochitl was cut.
-Every arc story villain defeated ends up either dying from a future antagonist or ends up being an ally for the future arcs.
-A lot of the episodes cut the opening and ending for more story dialogue, leading to poor pacing.
-Misaka's arrival to Russia serves no purpose to the plot and doesn't do anything on the last few episodes, cutting the endings for no reason at all.
-It was cool for Shiage Hamazura to be one of the main characters, but I don't think he actually did anything to help the other protagonists in the story.
-Accelerator was somehow caught after gaining angel wings.
-Final episode doesn't show Index biting Touma at the end (This may sound silly, but I find this tradition as that's how the first 2 seasons ended once the arcs is over).
-Aleister Crowley is still being teased with no interaction between him and Touma.

4/10 This could have been a 5 because of the opening and ending songs from Maon Kurosaki and Yuka Iguchi. But I can't as the poor directing keeps cutting them out for pointless plot. J.C. Staff used to good back in the day as the first two seasons were still enjoyable. What the hell happened?

I will edit this post if I remember anything else.

Also, Nurguburu is deleting comments and silencing anyone speaking the truth of this show. If you are reading this, good luck deleting this one. This one isn't on your profile.

This is list is really...strange.
1.Index is even more ignored in the actual novel, this might have to do with the fact that it may have been designed to change names but Editor thought they should just keep it the same
2.You actually see Uiharu running away, it’s in the background
3.I wouldn’t really say backstory, although they did indeed cut the part where that little girl looks into BLOCK’s past, you really don’t see member’s past at all
4.Indeed, although Acqua was thrown into the water and his ability is all about that
6. Accel manga/anime has a completely different storyline, that wouldn’t work
7.it wasn’t cut, it’s the exact same as the novel, that’s one of the few scenes that’s 1:1
8.Well that’s not really true, only really for the magic side characters although I don’t really see how this is a negative
9.they cut opening and ending so they can pace better, they’re forced to adapt many volumes in a single season and could only get two extra episodes even though they begged for it
10. In this case, they tried(note tried) to let you know Misaka was doing her own stuff, since they didn’t have enough time to cover it. But she ain’t exactly supposed to be making too huge of movement here, and there’s a reason for that
11.Well I don’t know how this is a negative, although he and accelerator met several times
12.They probably should’ve cut it back a bit more, in the novel he’s just on a hilltop collapsed after he flew into the energy and caused the explosion, then he gets captured, but there’s still a cut in time between then.
13.This is actually a very good thing, infact because of that scene in season 1 somethings aren’t explained which bites the anime crew in the ass later down the line
14.Thats just apart of the mystery..

Apr 7, 2019 8:21 AM

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Accelerator evolved.

Still, what a shit season that was. Complete mess. 3/10 at best.

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Apr 7, 2019 8:30 AM

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Tiau said:

ssjokg said:
>Everything I said was in the anime.

First of all barely 20% of what you said was there, my good sir, who tries to save this abomination.

And second, it means nothing if the anime has that info but communicates it in an absolute incoherent way for 26 episodes.

Tell me how is it that people DONT GET SHIT from the anime but suddenly they get it after reading a few sentences posted in the forums?

And they arent head on haters, lest say ,like in Fate threads. They really wonder what was the point of 90% of those characters and their actions.

Losing tension or failing in spectacular animation is one thing, but failing at even attempting to make other understand, no, FOLLOW, what is going on for 26 episodes is just crazy..or the work of a third rate hack.

Please, you can be upset what about whatever it is you want, but literally everything I said
>Acqua and pope not wanting to kill Touma(he literally spared and gave him a chance)
>Acqua and pope focusing on the hand instead of Touma himself because that was the entire excuse in season 2 and beginning of season 3
>Acqua having a past with Villian who he left to protect on the outside
>Acqua returning to protect Villian
>Acqua feeling like the weak shouldn’t be involved(literally the entire process of his fight with Kanzaki is them arguing this)
>Acqua becoming more used to fighting alongside people he found weak throughout the arc

All of this was in the anime, I however did not include other aspects about Acqua the anime did not cover.
Like I said, you can be mad if you want but at least be rational about it

>Acqua and pope not wanting to kill Touma(he literally spared and gave him a chance)

S2 ends with them making him their enemy/.Meanwhile people in their high ranks tried to kill him or many other others even before Terra's bullshit. Never was it explained why this Pope is so against it.Never was ANYTHING explained about Acqua in all teh fucking arcs he appeared.

>Acqua and pope focusing on the hand instead of Touma himself because that was the entire excuse in season 2 and beginning of season 3

See above.It isnt just the hand.Was it EVER explained WHY they shouldnt bother with his life while they clearly dont shy away from killing many people. Was Biagio like Terra, if yes why did the Pope allow him to do anything?

>Acqua having a past with Villian who he left to protect on the outside

You mean the minute flashback they showed that never really stuck with people?

>Acqua returning to protect Villian

Literally out of nowhere.Just like most of EVERYTHING happening in 26 eps.

>Acqua feeling like the weak shouldn’t be involved(literally the entire process of his fight with Kanzaki is them arguing this)

While he is directly involving the weak, torturing them mentally and physically, while brutally injuring a kid and putting the burden on THEM to deliver his arm.

>Acqua becoming more used to fighting alongside people he found weak throughout the arc

Ever explained why he had to develop like that?

>I however did not include other aspects about Acqua the anime did not cover.

Yes like anything explained how anything that happened around him happens.

AND THIS SHIT IS ONLY JUST ABOUT ACQUA.

Dude you STILL dont realize it.

A series shouldnt only show some stuff just to make transition between scenes possible.It should make it coherent and easy to understand. Toaru Index 3 is like a paragraph you read again and again trying to understand what the hell the author is trying to convey. Not because it has a difficult meaning or is a hard mystery but because the author simply isnt capable to convey what he wants....and in this case IF they wanted to convey anything.

Apr 7, 2019 9:39 AM

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ssjokg said:

YizelTro said:
okay fellas, tell me, what and where did the anime did wrong? cause i know it, that the execution was pretty bad. maybe the director got confused because of so much character to focus on in this season ? but im freaking sure the light novel is much better than this even tho i didnt read it. well, it was a pretty fun ride, but the way the executed it, presented it, feels kinda weird.and for the animation, well, i kinda agree that the animation feels to stiff but they just cant do anythin with it, thats probably their limit. doesnt have enough budget. still, they made a mistake. if so many fans are looking forward with it, why not just save as many budget as possible even if it tooks so many years to get the budget where you wanted it to be ? i have a mixed fellings towards this season, pretty fun but disappointing at the same time.

really hope they didnt do the same thing towards railgun season 3 at least cause that one is the one that im most looking foward to rather than index season 3

Characters have no depth.None. Even the old ones, that are supposed to be changing from the start arent explored.

Why is Accel sto fixated on being the worst now?Wasnt he supposed to make a turn in season 2?Well, the anime left out WHY he "suddenly" wants to be a first class villain.This makes him just throw out edgy quotes almost in all eps he is in.Only eps he doesnt are the last two of the series.

Hamazura?Remember him from Season 2?Well no he is a joke that just is protected by the series plot armor.Dont get me wrong he IS supposed to be a joke in the novels especially around the girls of ITEM but he also shows that he is capable to do his job.In the anime it feels so random.

Touma is the same except from his inner conflict about lying to Index, there isnt much they could change there.Actually here he feels more like the LN character than the previous seasons.He looks smarter.BUT that seems like out of nowhere since the last two downplayed it.

And those are the 3 MCs.

All of s3 had incoherent transitions that even people that dont know shit about directing and scriptwriting would immediately recognize as a mess.

Exposition dropped so much that stuff just happens now.

Animation is a joke.Is it so hard to animate a guy walking away?

Basic lore stuff are ignored.
Touma is supposed to be powerless but suddenly he sends people across the city, has punch power ups, and even his sermons dont really mean anything since we DONT explore the antagonists.

Vento's reasons in s2 may sound retarded, and they are, but that was the point.She was a nutjob after her brother's death "by science" and wanted to take revenge to ease her mind.

What was Fiamma's goal and why?
Why did the Pope change?

Carissa's reasons ere explained but the rest of her arc was bad and her loss was more of an asspull than the climax of the season.

What was Lola's reason for making Styil fight Index's Jonh Pen mode?

I could go on but whatever.

As a fan the only good things I could find were the two OPs.

welp shit. so this series became bad because of the directing, script writing and animating basically. which means the light novel is still good isnt it ?

Apr 7, 2019 9:58 AM

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Tiau said:

Please, you can be upset what about whatever it is you want, but literally everything I said
>Acqua and pope not wanting to kill Touma(he literally spared and gave him a chance)
>Acqua and pope focusing on the hand instead of Touma himself because that was the entire excuse in season 2 and beginning of season 3
>Acqua having a past with Villian who he left to protect on the outside
>Acqua returning to protect Villian
>Acqua feeling like the weak shouldn’t be involved(literally the entire process of his fight with Kanzaki is them arguing this)
>Acqua becoming more used to fighting alongside people he found weak throughout the arc

All of this was in the anime, I however did not include other aspects about Acqua the anime did not cover.
Like I said, you can be mad if you want but at least be rational about it

>Acqua and pope not wanting to kill Touma(he literally spared and gave him a chance)

S2 ends with them making him their enemy/.Meanwhile people in their high ranks tried to kill him or many other others even before Terra's bullshit. Never was it explained why this Pope is so against it.Never was ANYTHING explained about Acqua in all teh fucking arcs he appeared.

>Acqua and pope focusing on the hand instead of Touma himself because that was the entire excuse in season 2 and beginning of season 3

See above.It isnt just the hand.Was it EVER explained WHY they shouldnt bother with his life while they clearly dont shy away from killing many people. Was Biagio like Terra, if yes why did the Pope allow him to do anything?

>Acqua having a past with Villian who he left to protect on the outside

You mean the minute flashback they showed that never really stuck with people?

>Acqua returning to protect Villian

Literally out of nowhere.Just like most of EVERYTHING happening in 26 eps.

>Acqua feeling like the weak shouldn’t be involved(literally the entire process of his fight with Kanzaki is them arguing this)

While he is directly involving the weak, torturing them mentally and physically, while brutally injuring a kid and putting the burden on THEM to deliver his arm.

>Acqua becoming more used to fighting alongside people he found weak throughout the arc

Ever explained why he had to develop like that?

>I however did not include other aspects about Acqua the anime did not cover.

Yes like anything explained how anything that happened around him happens.

AND THIS SHIT IS ONLY JUST ABOUT ACQUA.

Dude you STILL dont realize it.

A series shouldnt only show some stuff just to make transition between scenes possible.It should make it coherent and easy to understand. Toaru Index 3 is like a paragraph you read again and again trying to understand what the hell the author is trying to convey. Not because it has a difficult meaning or is a hard mystery but because the author simply isnt capable to convey what he wants....and in this case IF they wanted to convey anything.

>See above.It isnt just the hand.Was it EVER explained WHY they shouldnt bother with his life while they clearly dont shy away from killing many people. Was Biagio like Terra, if yes why did the Pope allow him to do anything?
Biagio was just assigned to oversee the queen's fleet and modify it as ordered, as for the man himself he's just a typical zealot and probably one of the worst developed characters in the series, Terra on the other hand went above and beyond that by targeting his own people.
As for the Pope allowing anyone to do anything, I dunno if you forgot but even in season 2 Vento literally forced him to label Touma as a heretic so she had a excuse to attack Academy City.

>S2 ends with them making him their enemy/.Meanwhile people in their high ranks tried to kill him or many other others even before Terra's bullshit. Never was it explained why this Pope is so against it.Never was ANYTHING explained about Acqua in all teh fucking arcs he appeared.
What are you talking about? The only people who actively sought out Touma was Vento, they might've tried to fight him(and only Biagio and Agnese actively tried to kill him on their own personal terms) but they weren't trying to chase him down. He just got involved in whatever they had planned otherwise, hell even Lidvia and Oriana plan only consisted of converting everyone in Academy City, not hurting them.

>>Acqua having a past with Villian who he left to protect on the outside

>You mean the minute flashback they showed that never really stuck with people?

Nice to see you concede there, like I said it was in the anime, as I was using entirely material presented by the anime.

>Acqua returning to protect Villian

>>Literally out of nowhere.Just like most of EVERYTHING happening in 26 eps.

Say what you want about that scene, but it was actually pretty well done like a fantasy book, I really have no complaints there.

>Acqua feeling like the weak shouldn’t be involved(literally the entire process of his fight with Kanzaki is them arguing this)

>While he is directly involving the weak, torturing them mentally and physically, while brutally injuring a kid and putting the burden on THEM to deliver his arm.

That's got nothing to do with him not wanting to rely on anyone weaker than him though.

>Acqua becoming more used to fighting alongside people he found weak throughout the arc

>>Ever explained why he had to develop like that?

You mean him being supported by and even saved by people who he considered weak? Or being beaten by Kanzaki supported by those very same people? It's all there my man.

As for the rest of your post, you really sound like someone who actually just wants to be angry, honestly I'd take Razorhat's word over yours, especially since he actually bothered to sit there and reread the novel each and every episode and point out what was kept and what wasn't and even he said it isn't nearly as bad as folks like you are implying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/toarumajutsunoindex/comments/b9rrji/index_3_episode_26_discussion_finale/ek7sha5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

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I dont care what some guy on reddit has to say while ATTEMPTING to excuse this poor job at animating ANYTHING from a linear Light novel.

I dont want to be angry, I did my best to excuse EVERYTHING in this travesty before the BR arc and here we are now.26 eps of pure incompetence.That is what makes me angry.

And again, since your fanboy mind doesnt get it.Just having something onscreen means nothing if you cant tell the freaking audience WHY it s there, why it is happening and how affects people.

If you didnt notice except from LN readers NOBODY has any idea what was going on and no rereading of the LN from some guy is changing that.

@YizelTro

At the very least I can promise you that the novels make sense.

Apr 7, 2019 11:18 AM

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I dont care what some guy on reddit has to say while ATTEMPTING to excuse this poor job at animating ANYTHING from a linear Light novel.
.

It's more like he gives a better breakdown than you ever could, judging by the way you act really, he didn't excuse anything either.

I stand by the opinion that Terra, Acqua, DRAGON and about half of UK wasn't bad at all. WW3 also was pretty well done

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If it was "pretty well done",no, if it was "not bad at all" then the forum would praise it or at least give a pass on its flaws.

In case you missed it, that isnt what is happening and it isnt the audience's fault.

Apr 7, 2019 11:56 AM

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ssjokg said:
If it was "pretty well done",no, if it was "not bad at all" then the forum would praise it or at least give a pass on its flaws.

In case you missed it, that isnt what is happening and it isnt the audience's fault.

As for the people in this forum, you do know the polls for each thread also exist? Let's not pretend like its a overwhelmingly negative opinion here.
People with negative opinions(like yourself) are generally more likely to comment than positive ones that's for sure.

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There is also the anime rank, YT comments, discords, general anime discussion forum, reviews....so many places where this series is talked about.But lets focus on the anonymous ep poll where almost half of it this it is just ok and worse.

Yeah great argument there.

Also no, people comment whether they like it or not.So many series have posts from people that love them or find them decent.So that argument is bullshit.

Apr 7, 2019 12:21 PM

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ssjokg said:
There is also the anime rank, YT comments, discords, general anime discussion forum, reviews....so many places where this series is talked about.But lets focus on the anonymous ep poll where almost half of it this it is just ok and worse.

Yeah great argument there.

Also no, people comment whether they like it or not.So many series have posts from people that love them or find them decent.So that argument is bullshit.

Having posts from people that like them does not equal having posts from everyone that likes them.
You're the one that used the argument about this thread and forum specifically, so yeah I'm not sure why you're upset I used the same exact argument as you here?
>Anime rank
On this website? I mean I guess?
>Discords
On the Index discord they loved this episode though, but I guess you aren't there
>General anime discussion forums
So places like reddit again? I mean theres people that loved it and people that didn't, hell Reddit's polls for each episode isn't even overwhelmingly negative(infact they're mostly positive), same with places like animesuki too

>reviews
The only review I saw outside of this website is the guy who's reviewing the english dub, his scores are rarely in the low rankings though.

But hey, you're free to think as you want, I mean opinions are opinions in the end.

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Does Touma really need to punch you to break that illusion of yours, that this series is in any way good?

But fine.Keep believing that this is even okay.

Apr 7, 2019 12:41 PM

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ssjokg said:
Does Touma really need to punch you to break that illusion of yours, that this series is in any way good?

But fine.Keep believing that this is even okay.

Touma would probably break yours for thinking people can't have opposing opinions.

Apr 7, 2019 12:55 PM

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After long wait, this series turned out to be a disappointment. Things went downhill since Terra death(why he couldn't use his skill to defend from the pillar?). Because heavy focus on Hamazura, I think this anime can be called Toaru Hamazura instead. Level 5 failed to kill Level 0(without any skill unlike Touma) multiple times was really questionable, lucky Hamazura because the power of main character saved him until the end.

I like Index's previous season fight but the most of the fights were really boring, especially the last one. In the middle of last fight, the fight scene keeps switching to other scenes and random Stiyl Vs Index fight scene popped out for few seconds really disrupted the flow.
Touma now can even regenerate his arm out of nowhere, so he's not human or just unknown regenerative skill?
Because it's been long time, I don't remember when and why he got amnesia.. The anime should have made few flashback for that.

Another thing that I don't like is they changed the Imagine Breaker's sound effect. It was really distinctive loud like something snapped but now it's changed to something like Team Fortress' death sound effect

I hope the upcoming Accelerator and Railgun won't be a trainwreck as well.

Apr 7, 2019 2:48 PM

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I was really looking foward to Index III. And I got utterly disappointed in it. Absolute mess.
I am giving it 3/10 because of good music.

Apr 7, 2019 3:49 PM

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@Tiau @ssjokg Well that conversation sure was a whirlwind to read lmao. I must say that I agree with ssjokg more in terms of opinion, maybe not in terms of tactics though, since Tiau has been pretty kind to me and willing to try and explain stuff even though I kept pressing him, which I appreciate. So I'll try to explain which parts of ssjokg's argument I agree with, but without the aggressiveness (although I completely understand the anger towards this season.... trust me, I feel it too).

Again, just so everyone's clear, I have only seen the animes and have not read the novels.

When Tiau said that he was only mentioning stuff about Acqua which appeared in the anime, and was not having to reference at all from the novels, I know that something still didn't sit quite right with me. I knew that Tiau was telling the truth, of course, but it still didn't seem like that was an adequate defense of the show. But I think that ssjokg put it well when they said that just being on screen isn't good enough if the audience doesn't know why it's there or what is happening. And I think that makes sense, because for much of Acqua's "development" or "flashback" screentime, I did't find myself doing a lot of "oh so THAT'S why things are the way they are!" Instead, I found myself going "huh? what's going on now?" So it didn't really matter that the stuff was there, if it was difficult to follow or understand.

I also think that ssjokg hit upon some of my other points about things seeming to just kinda.... happen for no reason, or for very poorly explained reasons. Yes, maybe there are brief explanations given here and there, but it's difficult to digest each one individually when you're trying to digest 30 all at once, which is something this series is sadly known for.

And the fact that Acqua didn't want to kill Touma, but instead just take his arm, doesn't change anything. He gave him a chance to capitulate and cut off his own arm? Oh how nice and virtuous of him! Lmao. Of course, if Touma didn't cut off his own arm, Acqua would have still taken it by force.... So yeah, I'm not letting Acqua off the hook just because he "only wanted Touma's arm, not to actually kill him, and he did give Touma a chance to do it himself...." No. He was going to seriously maim Touma one way or another. Plenty of other characters, who also did not wish to see the world go to war, still tried to do the right thing and protect Touma, rather than trying to hurt him. So Acqua has no excuses.

And, at least going by what I see here, the overwhelming majority (Like I'd say 90-95%) of people hated this season, for many similar reasons. Folks who didn't read the novels are nearly universally clueless as to what on earth was even going on, and even a fair number of those who DID read the novels are still kinda scratching their heads. Plus, I'm not the only one who completely forgot about some stuff that happened in the last two seasons which are now suddenly important again, thus adding to the confusion. It seems like several people here are in the same boat, even though that's admittingly not entirely the anime's fault, but still. If events are important enough, you should make sure that they actually stick with the audience through and through. No one looks at the Sisters and forgets why they're there, for example.

Anyway, that was mostly me just adding my two cents to that whole discussion. My only real complaint still, regarding Acqua (since Tiau has kindly cleared most other stuff up for me), is where in the anime did it show his reasoning for deciding to no longer want Touma's arm? I pretty well understand his motivation for wanting it in the first place, and I pretty well understand his motivation(s) once he became virtuous again. But what confuses me is WHERE, WHY, AND WHEN did his motivation(s) change? THAT is the part I still don't get. I get the before and the after. But what happened DURING that made him decide to not just sever Touma's arm the next time he saw him, which I think was in Britain? Was it just convenience because he thought that Touma could stop Carissa? But even then, why didn't he resume his quest to maim Touma right after Carissa was stopped? This is what I don't get. Of course, now with WW3 over, it makes little sense for Acqua to continue the hunt for Touma, I know that. But I'm talking before that point.

Apr 7, 2019 9:38 PM

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while watching this series i dont even remember what made me so hooked up with the novel in this particular arc

Apr 7, 2019 9:47 PM

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Anyway, that was mostly me just adding my two cents to that whole discussion. My only real complaint still, regarding Acqua (since Tiau has kindly cleared most other stuff up for me), is where in the anime did it show his reasoning for deciding to no longer want Touma's arm? I pretty well understand his motivation for wanting it in the first place, and I pretty well understand his motivation(s) once he became virtuous again. But what confuses me is WHERE, WHY, AND WHEN did his motivation(s) change? THAT is the part I still don't get. I get the before and the after. But what happened DURING that made him decide to not just sever Touma's arm the next time he saw him, which I think was in Britain? Was it just convenience because he thought that Touma could stop Carissa? But even then, why didn't he resume his quest to maim Touma right after Carissa was stopped? This is what I don't get. Of course, now with WW3 over, it makes little sense for Acqua to continue the hunt for Touma, I know that. But I'm talking before that point.

Hmm, Acqua stopped going along with that when Fiamma attacked the Pope, if I recall the anime kept the part where he told Vento who popped up after the fact and he told her about England(although she didn't actually go). At that point Acqua in the novel seemed to be already aware of Fiamma's betrayal even when Vento should've been the first time it was mentioned to him iirc(although if I recall, this exchange was not in the anime either), so I guess he heard the news just like Laura and Stiyl did where the Pope got badly injured by the attack or he called the pope back since they were in contact the entire time, at that point its futile to try and prevent a war that's going to be inevitable, so no reason to go after Touma's arm since Fiamma is going all out regardless of using Touma as an excuse or not, whether the Pope wants him to or not(not like anyone but Acqua listened to him in the first place in the GRS).

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
"they're saving the best for WW3 arc " ~ best joke in 2018/2019

"Don't worry, they're just saving up for season 3!"
"Don't worry, they're just saving up for Battle Royale!"
"Don't worry, they're just saving up for NT!"
Some people just never learn.

Apr 7, 2019 11:16 PM

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Tiau said:

Hmm, Acqua stopped going along with that when Fiamma attacked the Pope, if I recall the anime kept the part where he told Vento who popped up after the fact and he told her about England(although she didn't actually go). At that point Acqua in the novel seemed to be already aware of Fiamma's betrayal even when Vento should've been the first time it was mentioned to him iirc(although if I recall, this exchange was not in the anime either), so I guess he heard the news just like Laura and Stiyl did where the Pope got badly injured by the attack or he called the pope back since they were in contact the entire time, at that point its futile to try and prevent a war that's going to be inevitable, so no reason to go after Touma's arm since Fiamma is going all out regardless of using Touma as an excuse or not, whether the Pope wants him to or not(not like anyone but Acqua listened to him in the first place in the GRS).

Okay, I think that makes some sense. Thanks.

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Adome said:

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
"they're saving the best for WW3 arc " ~ best joke in 2018/2019

"Don't worry, they're just saving up for season 3!"
"Don't worry, they're just saving up for Battle Royale!"
"Don't worry, they're just saving up for NT!"
Some people just never learn.

"Dont worry the series was good"

Apr 8, 2019 8:01 AM

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Oh lol Twitter literally went chaos after Index III ended, a lot of Toaru fans (Both Japan and western) just went to Nishikiori's Twitter account to keep trashtalk about him and Index III overall.

Apr 8, 2019 8:13 AM

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MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Oh lol Twitter literally went chaos after Index III ended, a lot of Toaru fans (Both Japan and western) just went to Nishikiori's Twitter account to keep trashtalk about him and Index III overall.

I don't know what people hope to accomplish here, both the ones thanking him and the ones hating on the guy.
That being said, there was a bunch on the toaru project twitter excited for NT adaptation though.
Personally I'm pretty neutral either way, but I think NT is a guarantee.

Apr 8, 2019 8:34 AM

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Tiau said:

MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Oh lol Twitter literally went chaos after Index III ended, a lot of Toaru fans (Both Japan and western) just went to Nishikiori's Twitter account to keep trashtalk about him and Index III overall.

I don't know what people hope to accomplish here, both the ones thanking him and the ones hating on the guy.
That being said, there was a bunch on the toaru project twitter excited for NT adaptation though.
Personally I'm pretty neutral either way, but I think NT is a guarantee.

Well I'm glad for that there is a adaptation for this series but it looks like NT isn't going to happen. I don't think we should ignored of how this series was handle. I mean look what happened with TG:Re 2 Season. I don't know with this rating to me, looks like its not going to get a sequel which I find ok because the light novel is better. The director and team along with the production team should be ashamed with themselves of what they did. No hopes for any new JC Staff projects if it's an action genre because they had plenty of time with action series before but don't expect JC Staff to do better because they used this series for practise like a story draft. It's going to be worse for the team if they keep doing this and they already ruin the previous shows. Anyone hoping for NT who did this season are hoping for the worst anime adaptation.

Apr 8, 2019 8:44 AM

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KiLLZONE15JYU said:

Tiau said:

I don't know what people hope to accomplish here, both the ones thanking him and the ones hating on the guy.
That being said, there was a bunch on the toaru project twitter excited for NT adaptation though.
Personally I'm pretty neutral either way, but I think NT is a guarantee.

Well I'm glad for that there is a adaptation for this series but it looks like NT isn't going to happen. I don't think we should ignored of how this series was handle. I mean look what happened with TG:Re 2 Season. I don't know with this rating to me, looks like its not going to get a sequel which I find ok because the light novel is better. The director and team along with the production team should be ashamed with themselves of what they did. No hopes for any new JC Staff projects if it's an action genre because they had plenty of time with action series before but don't expect JC Staff to do better because they used this series for practise like a story draft. It's going to be worse for the team if they keep doing this and they already ruin the previous shows. Anyone hoping for NT who did this season are hoping for the worst anime adaptation.

The problem is more the production team than the studio afterall, since JC Staff themselves asked for more episodes, they even had stuff like maybe doing WW3 as a movie and ending the season a arc shorter.
But of course, Kadokawa doesn't really care about all that.

Apr 8, 2019 8:54 AM

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MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Oh lol Twitter literally went chaos after Index III ended, a lot of Toaru fans (Both Japan and western) just went to Nishikiori's Twitter account to keep trashtalk about him and Index III overall.

well that's good , at least the studio or whoever is responsible for the anime staff know that the fans don't like him that much and maybe they'll change him if there will be another season

Apr 8, 2019 9:19 AM

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Tiau said:

KiLLZONE15JYU said:

Well I'm glad for that there is a adaptation for this series but it looks like NT isn't going to happen. I don't think we should ignored of how this series was handle. I mean look what happened with TG:Re 2 Season. I don't know with this rating to me, looks like its not going to get a sequel which I find ok because the light novel is better. The director and team along with the production team should be ashamed with themselves of what they did. No hopes for any new JC Staff projects if it's an action genre because they had plenty of time with action series before but don't expect JC Staff to do better because they used this series for practise like a story draft. It's going to be worse for the team if they keep doing this and they already ruin the previous shows. Anyone hoping for NT who did this season are hoping for the worst anime adaptation.

The problem is more the production team than the studio afterall, since JC Staff themselves asked for more episodes, they even had stuff like maybe doing WW3 as a movie and ending the season a arc shorter.
But of course, Kadokawa doesn't really care about all that.

Yeah people in industry's can be stupid as apes.

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well even with all the problems with this season i still liked it at least the final arc the most

but other than that im just waiting on the new season of railgun to come out all ready as its my fave out of the 3 index series

none the less i will be checking out the Accelerator series when it comes out since looks like it'll be coming out before new season of railgun

but also as for the original index i mean a season 4 would be nice especially with how they ended things they're just saying they wanna make another season but we'll see what they do and how long it'll take this time

"one step at a time"

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Not a single recap after 8 years
26 episodes and multiple skipped OP/ED and the pacing is still all over the place
BGM is non existent
Introduced a bunch of new characters that has no build up

Director obviously had no business touching Index.

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