Fullmetal Alchemist
| Ok, I don't remember that part even though that's one of my favorite scenes. That could have been it. Though he said that there were MANY(his words) dues ex machinas. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Haha, wow. I guess I don't have to answer all of those, I ate too slow. Actually his answers to number 1 and 4 were something I didn't fully know. When was the answer to 1 revealed? I thought he did absorb god, but because of him losing all the souls, he wasn't able to hold it in. Though that would fit if he absorbed some other higher power like you said too. And Alfonse, do you remember any of those dues ex machina moments? It's just some moments when one of the characters are about to die by the hands of the homunculus or someone else when all of a sudden Greed appears, or Ling appears, or Lan Fan appears, or Mustang, etc out of no where, and you just wonder where the hell they come from or how they found the characters. It's not really a big deal seeing as to how many anime (action especially) do it. And at least FMAB doesn't overdo it like Bleach and Naruto do. |
rockbot said: IntroverTurtle said: Haha, wow. I guess I don't have to answer all of those, I ate too slow. Actually his answers to number 1 and 4 were something I didn't fully know. When was the answer to 1 revealed? I thought he did absorb god, but because of him losing all the souls, he wasn't able to hold it in. Though that would fit if he absorbed some other higher power like you said too. And Alfonse, do you remember any of those dues ex machina moments? The answer to #1 was revealed in episode 63 when Father confronted "God." "God" said that Father "coverted the power of what he called God." I think Alfonse thought Hohenhiem's counterattack against Father's nationwide transmutation circle was an deus ex machina because he saw no foreshadowing of it. He mentioned that he didn't pay attention at time so he must've missed the scene where Hohenhiem was planting one of his souls onto the ground in episode 36. Oh, no I saw that. That was actually quite brilliant on Hohenheim's part. |
| Just had this discussion on the Brotherhood board, but I preferred the original for a lot of reasons but to sum it up shortly. Plot- Less cliche, less convenient points where the heroes win or escape, less misplaced and overused humor. Brotherhood was too shounen and placed too much focus on big bad villains and fights while disregarding everything else. Characters- More believable and realistic, the homonculi actually had character and personality. Dialogue is more natural and subtle and less over done then it is in Brotherhood. Music- More variety and in my opinion better then Brotherhood. Art and animation- Both about the same but of course Brotherhood's would be better since it came out several years later. |
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| It's probably because in FMAB people were watching the anime after they read the manga, therefore have the exact same storyline, whereas FMA split off from the manga into a different storyline. |
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| @ OP - the answer lies in this thread. I am one of those who loved the original but did not like Brotherhood, but I don't think I hate it. I just get annoyed and don't want to talk about FMA B BECAUSE before it came out FMA was one of the most praised and highest rated anime shows and was considered a modern classic and a must watch, but unfortunately FMA B shounen fans (and yes I use the term 'shounen fans' in a derogatory sense) almost completely obliterated the status of the original ...wiped it off the map with their "just watch FMA B and forget about the 2003 filler-fest", and their "FMA B should be called ORIGINAL anime, not the 2003 anime, why do 2003 version fans call that ORIGINAL anime, its not based on the manga blah blah" without understanding the basic fact that they are entirely different shows, to the point that I don't consider the original a proper shounen title per se. Anyway, that's my reason for 'hating' FMA: B (by hating I mean I don't want to talk about it at all). Its been some time since I watched either so I can't give a definite opinion, but I recall writing a lot about the two shows, how they differ, and why people make a huge blunder of comparing the two cuz the only similar things are the name of the characters and the basic premise. Thematically, and aesthetically, they are as different as night and day. And when I say the answer lies in the thread, just look at what FMA B fans have posted about the 2003 version. In fact, I would say that the question that you asked is wrong. The question should be, why do FMA B fans 'hate' (I would rather use the word 'decry' or 'vilify') the ORIGINAL anime so much, and why do they insist on shoving their opinions down other people's throat and misleading people new to the franchise by telling them that they should watch Brotherhood first since it is superior in every sense (I have even heard FMA B fans telling people that they should stay away from the 2003 version entirely). This is the sort of advice I would never give on FMA B despite 'hating' it; in fact I would actually recommend it over the ORIGINAL anime in most cases because I have now come to view the latter as appealing to very selective audience (I have FMA B fans to thank for that opinion of mine) |
eyerokOct 15, 2013 10:57 PM
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| FMAB is a great series. But how the fandom accepts FMAB as the lord and savior of anime while shitting on FMA 2003's existence has made me grow an enormous amount of contempt for it that otherwise wouldn't exist. I almost have no desire to watch FMAB again because its flaws will only stand out more to me because of the people shouting "MASTERPIECE", ruining the experience. Hell, typing this out, I'm shocked how much disdain I'm feeling. And seeing other comments falsely sneering over FMA 2003 is only fueling it. |
zacrathedemon5Dec 12, 2014 2:25 AM
obsucuria said: i'm probably very late to the party but the reason why i just loathe and despise fmab is easily all those ppl (and my friends) who told me to "just watch brotherhood bruh, 03 version is shit", altho they haven't seen the original... it's just making me very angry, so much that I dropped brotherhood just out of pure spite So you hate a show because some fans are obnoxious? Lol that doesn't make any sense. Watch it again and ignore the idiots. It's worth watching. |
obsucuria said: Cyborg_Icarus29 said: So you hate a show because some fans are obnoxious? Lol that doesn't make any sense. Watch it again and ignore the idiots. It's worth watching. It's quite possible to hate smth because of the fans, by associating said thing with smth negative. And this was the case with me and fmab. I was also quite bored of the first episode so I just quit there Just ignore the fans and enjoy it, you won't regret it. The first episode is weird and the first 13 episodes or so are a condensed version of the first 26 episodes in the original but the rest is REALLY good. |
| Well, Brotherhood fans are often pretty annoying. A lot of them bash the original series too, so I imagine it being a counter reaction to that. In my experience they often treat the opinion of preferring the original as objectively wrong, which ticks off a lot of fans, myself included. Another reason is probably the pacing. The original is paced slower and is a lot more contemplative than Brotherhood, which has been streamlined closer to standard shounen feel. If you don't like shounen, you probably aren't going to like Brotherhood either. It could leave you feeling like the franchise has betrayed your expectations, I guess? To be frank, personally I completely lost interest in Brotherhood towards the end when they started to prepare for the final confrontation... It became too focused on battles while that's not at all what I liked about the series. We have enough battle shounen anime already... |
| Maybe it’s because FMA:B is a shallow, rushed, cliche shounen adapation with forced comedy (e.g. repetitive Ed short jokes), compared to the more nuanced, gritty, deeper FMA 2003 counterpart. FMA has better character development, much more organic pacing, a better origin story for the homunclui. We spend time getting to develop an attachment with Hughes and Nina, so their deaths actually carry emotional weight. The Lab 5 stuff was poorly handed and rushed into one episode, Greed stuff rushed, Lior rushed, Youswell/Barry the Chopper/Mugiar stuff totally IGNORED, Martel rushed and taken all of the emotion out of it. Nobody would care when Martel died in Brotherhood, she was in 1 episode as a throwaway character. In the original they really gave you a chance to identify and emphasise with her, making her death much more tragic. The villains were better written e.g. the homunculi here were treated like real people with their own motivations, compared to Brotherhood were they were just one dimensional lackeys (Lust, Sloth and Gluttony especially) for Father. The Brotherhood sins development/reason behind their sin was outright spelt to us before their death, whereas in FMA it was far more subtle. Ed isn’t your typical shounen protagonist who doesn’t kills because that’s one of his core principles. FMA Ed is far more human. We see his ideology being properly challenged, Ed gradually having to face the harsh truth of the world (that you don’t always get your way), and we see him gradually shift in personality after Greed’s death. We see Ed’s conflict in having to face Sloth (the mother he created with alchemy) and him shouldering the responsibility in dealing with the weight of his consequences. Alchemy, equivalent exchange, rule of war are much better explored e.g. the show tackles how equivalent exchange is a false ideology e.g. if someone puts in hard work= it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be rewarded (i hope that makes sense) The Philosopher's Stone was supposed to be an important, elusive plot device that even the superhuman Homunculi couldn't create on their own, in Brotherhood they're abundant and cheapened, in every homunculus, hundreds in Central, Kimblee has 2 on hand like they're gumballs. I could go on, but the point is FMA gets unnecessary hate for “not following the manga”, which is ridiculous considering it’s objectively better than FMA:B |
FlexstyleOct 18, 2018 2:37 AM
| Brotherhood is without a doubt better from a writing standpoint. It's weird to hate on the Brotherhood though as that's the intended story by the mangaka. Well to each his/her own. |
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Shoryuuken said: Brotherhood is without a doubt better from a writing standpoint. It's weird to hate on the Brotherhood though as that's the intended story by the mangaka. Well to each his/her own. That's like saying you shouldn't dislike an original movie, a TV show, or anime, because that's how the writers intended it to be. The author of a source material isn't some infallible god who can do no wrong. There are always things that can be improved or done in a different and better way. Just because something is faithful to the source material, doesn't automatically make it good, let alone better. |
| brotherhood is way better than the other one. they skip a bit of the beginning parts which is a little lame, but then its just a vastly superior show. I have to imagine, people who back the original adaptation are just doubling down on their opinion since the majority of people agree brotherhood is better. brotherhood ending is way better than original's ending and in no fashion is father a generic villain. Hes extra complex. |
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Vhailor said: Shoryuuken said: Brotherhood is without a doubt better from a writing standpoint. It's weird to hate on the Brotherhood though as that's the intended story by the mangaka. Well to each his/her own. That's like saying you shouldn't dislike an original movie, a TV show, or anime, because that's how the writers intended it to be. The author of a source material isn't some infallible god who can do no wrong. There are always things that can be improved or done in a different and better way. Just because something is faithful to the source material, doesn't automatically make it good, let alone better. I never said that, that's what you make of it. In my opinion Brotherhood is written in a better and more consistent manner and doesn't revolve about questionable pretentious philosophical plot points, development and dialogue. It's been a while since I've seen both but I do remember the original making me shake my head multiple times, still an enjoyable show though. Brotherhood was simple and straight to the point, which fitted way more with the early tone and premises of the story. Not to say a series can shift atmosphere and tone, but it felt unnatural to me in the original. |
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| Brotherhood is a pretty crappy show imo The first half of the show is utter dogshit, literally comedy every damn scene. I hate the manga and the content FMAB covers from the manga so fucking much. And no, BroHo fans, BroHo didn't rush the beginning because they thought of 03, the beginning was as bad in the manga. Pacing ultra fast, literally no character development, Ed is a fucking cliche shounen anime protagonist, cliche ending, etc etc. The crap Ed spout in BroHo and how much he got away with it was terrible. FMAB took every moment to paint the Brothers in a good light. I could go on and and on |
| Brotherhood is very overrated, that's why. |
RX-782 said: RLinksoul said: Sounds like you still carry some emotional Baggins from it. If Father had the power to stop alchemy, why didn't he do it against ed and every one else? In addition to Hohenheims circle, Scar and the Ishvalans activate another circle that disconnects Father from the alchemists so they are able to get energy directly from the tectonic plates instead of it going through Father. |
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