Mini game v.8: Call of Duty Mafia | Game End: Freedom!

lastwhisper31 said:
and even if she is... I feel like role cops are scum aligned most of the time... But then again, why check Riku if she was scum? Lol idk

lastwhisper31 said:
and he claimed after he thought he died... We didn't realize till later that it was a tie... So I don't think he lied

RE1031 said:
@Abhutrash @ScarletCelestial @ironace @DenjaX
I don't recall your exact reasoning for voting logic, but how does the Mason claim change things for you? I'd like to know exactly why you decided to unvote.

osieorb18 said:


What? Are you a rolecop or something?

osieorb18 said:


If she thought miller was a downside to a good role rather than just by itself. It can be used a balancing disadvantage.



I wouldn't make that a def clear, but he's more likely town. It's pretty angleshooty.

abhutrash said:
Btw, I was totally gonna vigil shoot wisp, so its probably best to take my gun away before I shoot errybody xD

abhutrash said:
This might sound like a rich excuse, but I was drunk and got caught up in the momentum. Looking back at logic's posts, I don't think its enough to really justify the D2 lynch. Unvoted after the mason claim so I can reanalyze all that's gone on so far, but I'm hitting a streak of laziness right now.

As for the mason slots, I don't think a Shin/osi scum team would've claimed Masons. The risk of running into another mason claim is just not worth it. I'm pretty comfortable with their roles being true. Alignments becomes a bit trickier. t/t is default and I'd like to believe that is the case. t/s is a possibility I am worried about, considering what Shin said about his role description. It feels a little bastard-y to me, but I think it could fall within the parameters of the setup. If that's the case though, I highly doubt Shin would be the scum in that relationship. It's so weird to call specific attention to the fact that your role says nothing about town confirmation. Only way I could see s/s would be if they had a fake claim listed in the profile, basically telling them that there won't be masons in the game. That would be really annoying.

For this last part of the phase, I'd like to focus on some of the other users. I just need to find the motivation to actually do it. ughhhh

abhutrash said:
Yeah, I really didn't want to claim like that. Damn, alignment-only flip. Oh well

abhutrash said:
@osieorb18 Here you go:
I said this right after the final votecount was posted (#881)

For context tho, the original votecount abu posted had me definitively dead. There was a miscount that I brought up to Abu, which brought it to a tie. Might need to go back and look at it yourself to understand.

Ruu said:


I gave him a hint because I have no right to claim what role riku is without his consent. @riku do you want to claim so people can move on from you into finding the real scum? is not like you are a real threat to mafia tbh so I don't think you will get nk.

Ruu said:


I'm not a cop. Like I said on the original post, it has nothing to do with my role.

osieorb18 said:


The 4-2-2-2 thing versus 4-4-2-1? Or w/e? I vaguely remember glancing at it when I was looking at the lynches.

osieorb18 said:
After clearing up what Mason meant "the definition of a Mason or Monk is that they are confirmed not to be a member of a specific non-Town faction," I'm pretty sure that Abu would consider it to be bastard to do scum Masons.

Also, that last bit is not making me happy.

osieorb18 said:
Yeah... who did you target with vig night 1?

osieorb18 said:
I'm honestly more concerned with Karote so far than Ironace, though I haven't gotten super far (lots of other things coming up). What are your thoughts there, @Ruu?

I agree with Denja on Shinichi and Ruu on Pokeit.

Re Denja's post - Besides, I trust the mod, and if Shinichi was scum, they would have at least implied otherwise one of the two times I asked them.

abhutrash said:
Out of curiousity, do you think its a good idea for me to say?

osieorb18 said:


Given that scum know who they killed, they already know, so it only helps town to tell.

Ruu said:
I feel that Karote is town, I know his posts don't scream town but it's because of that, that I think he is not scum (his carefree actitude, like he doesn't care if he gets scum read...).

To me: Shin | logic/you | iron are the most likely scum based on behaviour/interactions.

Ruu said:


I'm not a cop. Like I said on the original post, it has nothing to do with my role.

abhutrash said:
It matters in that if I still had the bullet, a roleblocker could try stopping it. Also, it changes where I am on the mafia's night kill priority list. But whatever, I'll go ahead and say it:

I didn't shoot anybody last night, and I still have my bullet.

osieorb18 said:


Okay, then. How do you know his role, then? Because without other details, if it's not through your role, it's either:

1. He informed you through his role. (Quite possible)
2. Someone else informed you through their role. (Less likely, but possible)
3. You're guessing but you know he's town because you're scum. (Quite possible)
4. Other. (Unlikely)

And in one of those more likely worlds, you're both scum and we can greatly advance the game for Town by lynching you two.

In any other world, either one of you or both could be scum.

lastwhisper31 said:
WTH does that even mean...

Ruu said:
@riku knows that I know and he decided to tell me. But please ask him, now I feel bad because I basically put him on the spot xD Like I said riku, just claim, it will help with PoE and you are not at risk. Mafia won't kill you after knowing it.

Also why would I defend riku if I were scum? I would be happy to get a mislynch if I were mafia xDD I want to help with the PoE with the info I got.

osieorb18 said:


Okay, then. How do you know his role, then? Because without other details, if it's not through your role, it's either:

1. He informed you through his role. (Quite possible)
2. Someone else informed you through their role. (Less likely, but possible)
3. You're guessing but you know he's town because you're scum. (Quite possible)
4. Other. (Unlikely)

And in one of those more likely worlds, you're both scum and we can greatly advance the game for Town by lynching you two.

In any other world, either one of you or both could be scum.

RE1031 said:
I've seen last use abnormal reasoning to townread people before, so that doesn't bother me in terms of last's alignment. I don't think scum!last would make it a point to tunnel on Ruu for being Ruu. Seems more like he's having fun as town than trying to blend in as scum. Although his theory about pokeit not being town IC is weird. I'll have to see where that goes.

ScarletCelestial said:
I don't doubt my paranoia concerning Shin, but I've decided to drop it for the next few Days since there's no contradiction with available information yet.

osieorb18 said:


Oh, you're one-shot. Okay. I just assumed you were a straight vig.

That's more interesting then. Either:

1. TPR was a killing role. (Possible)
2. Mafia killed one of their own. (Uggh)
3. Two town Vig. (Lolwut)
4. Something else.

Karote said:


I still lowkey think Shin is scum, his defense was so sloppy and bad.
At some point he said to Ruu ''How do you know that I'm fakeclaiming and not just scum mason?'' lol, like how's that supposed to help their case.

osieorb18 said:
So we have:

Osie + Shinichi: Masons
Pokeit: IC Doublevoter

Abhu: Vigilante (Maybe)

I have mixed feelings on Abhu's Vig claim so far. I'll have to see the post myself, though.

Maybe a cop and miller, though given the lack of the former claimed, Riku's claim is more dubious.

Last, Scarlet, and RE are all somewhat townie. Togs wasn't, but you're looking better, @DenjaX.

So that leads to a POE of Ironace/Karote/Ruu/Riku for me, with possible Abhu/Denja.

I'm willing to vote in other places if needed to close out a lynch, but until I see reason to do otherwise, Vote Karote.

osieorb18 said:


@lastwhisper31: Do you seriously believe that Pokeit is not an IC when they're mod-confirmed? Am I really going to have to go through this two games in a row?

Also, if you say a word about an IC Jester...

Ruu said:


1/4 imo. TPR could be a killing role but at the same time, Phraze was the most likely target for N1. I think Mafia killed Phraze and because of that yurkin got killed. Maybe Phraze had something like "if any player visit you at night they will die" or something similar.

Karote said:
Your POE seems logical but why do I take the priority out of them all? Curious.

RE1031 said:
You know, there's been a game on this site with an IC jester xD

Ruu said:


I feel that Karote is town, I know his posts don't scream town but it's because of that, that I think he is not scum (his carefree actitude, like he doesn't care if he gets scum read...).

To me: Shin | logic/you | iron are the most likely scum based on behaviour/interactions.

Ruu said:
It's not that I want to be vague but I feel like riku should be the one claiming. It's not my place. But I do know that his role is pro-town.

Ruu said:
It's not my place.

RE1031 said:
I need to know how you know this. If it's not connected to your role, I don't know how this is possible. If it's based on something you learned off the posts in this thread everyone can see, then you should link it if riku won't confirm. I'll also add that it's very unclear what pro-town roles can be nowadays.

osieorb18 said:


Just to be 100% clear, you didn't learn this by anything illegitimate/illicit, and you didn't learn this through your role, and you're 100% certain?

Ruu said:


Is it obvious? if it's not thanks to my role, then it's because of his ability that I know his role. I didn't find out because of something he said on the thread.

RE1031 said:
So to doubly confirm, how does his miller claim factor into all of this?

Ruu said:


yes, yes and yes.

Ruu said:


it's not related.

riku said:
guys, my other role power was a neighborizer and i chose ruu

osieorb18 said:


Vote: Riku

osieorb18 said:


Vote: Riku

osieorb18 said:


As far as I know, there's no mafia etiquette reason that you can't tell his role if you believe as you said that it provides no particular benefit to scum over town. There could be a role reason, though that would be strange. Well...

@Riku: Partial claims are scummy unless there's a very good reason for them. Outside of miller, do you have anything else to claim?

@Ruu: If @Riku doesn't claim in, say, 8 hours, if you're town, you should probably out what you believe his role to be if he doesn't have a good reason for not claiming. I'll at least be awake before/around deadline and for the rest of the IRL day and we can hash it out at that point.

@Re1031: That might be enough on the Riku claim for the moment until he actually fullclaims or doesn't.

@abhutrash: Maybe shoot whichever of Iron/Karot we don't lynch to give us the extra lynch before scum kills you? Thoughts?

osieorb18 said:


Vote: Riku

Ruu said:
Riku is a Neighborizer and he chose me on N1. The fact that now we are neighbours makes me doubt Shin's claim (and yoour ofc) because having Neighbours + masons on the same games seems odd. is like having 4 conf towns (if we take IC into account).

Ruu said:


lmao are you for real? xD