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Dec 4, 2017 1:25 PM
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That went about as well as I thought it did. Because biased forums are biased. I'm hoping this forum will be unbiased and can actually help me. Then again maybe not. I don't care either way so I'm going to try here regardless. So... this little show... 'My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic' has been going on for 7 seasons now with an 8th upcoming. Back when the show first started... I liked it believe it or not. I really did. But... things have changed. The question is... why have they changed? Well... I'll be getting into that as well. In a way. I mean... I liked this show. I'm not even joking. I did. For about 5 seasons. Then... things changed. There are pretty much 6 main issues I have with the show right now. Each one factoring into my decision to either stay or leave in their own, unique, individual way. I'll go through them one by one. The first 3 reasons are basically the same though honestly. The so-called 'redeemed' characters. Those being, of course, Starlight Glimmer, Trixie, and Discord. But are they redeemed? Truly? To me... they aren't. In any way whatsoever. 1. First let's talk about the obvious ones. First up is Starlight Glimmer. This character was a decent and legitimate villain. De-facto dictatorship. You don't see that all that often. So I applauded it. Until the S5 finale. Her reasoning for what she did was the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard of in my entire life honestly. She did all that because she lost a friend? Wow. Just wow. Go look the freaking friend up. Or... here's an option... make new friends. Then there was the redemption itself. Which I would call the Baron Corbin of redemption's. In other words... it was freaking dumpster fire. Unbelievably rushed, made no sense whatsoever, and just horrible in general. This idiot practically committed a crime. Messing with the time-space continuum is, to me, worse then murder. Yet she was forgiven as if nothing happened and everyone of the characters pretends that it didn't happen and never happened. No. Just no. There should have been a punishment. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. End of freaking story. She committed a crime and deserved a punishment. Don't believe me? Has anyone else gotten away with a dictatorship scot free and forgiven as if it never happened? The answer here should be obvious. Research dictatorships in history if you don't believe me. The common sense answer is NO. DICTATORS AREN'T FORGIVEN AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED. Another thing... I'll admit there's one thing that is consistently being proven when it comes to Starlight. Which is the fact that she has absolutely no common sense whatsoever. Another thing she had done, which no one has ever been forgiven for and acted as if it never happened, is using mind control. She did that to her so-called 'friends' and got off scot-free as if it didn't happen. Has anyone else that has used mind control gotten away with it and treated as if it never happened? Again... the answer is blatantly obvious and common sense. Starlight is on a high horse and needs to be taken down several pegs. She's OP and honestly, somewhat of a Mary-Stu if you ask me. I don't care how much the shows claims she studied magic. Twilight studied longer and, therefore, should be more powerful and had freaking Celestia as a teacher and we're just supposed to believe that Starlight self-taught her OP-ness? Yeah I don't think so. 2. Next... it's the worst of the worst if you ask me. Trixie. This character... is just... NO. JUST NO. Does this character actually have any redeeming factors? Another question with an obvious answer. Which is NO. NO SHE DOESN'T. Trixie is an ego-maniacal, self-absorbed, egotistical, holier-than-thou *****. I'm sorry but she just is. Not only that... she takes every opportunity she has to annoy Twilight. THAT IS NOT A CHARACTER TRAIT. IT'S A CHARACTER FLAW AND A MAJOR ONE AT THAT. Has she, or Starlight for that matter, actually done anything to show that they have changed? To me... the haven't. At all. In any way whatsoever. Chrysalis doesn't really count because she captured all of the Mane 6 and Princesses (which I still don't understand how she did that) and apparently the writers choose these un-redeemed assholes instead of the 'Slice of Life' characters which should have been the characters to save them instead if you ask me. But I'll get into the writers later. But to finish Trixie off once and for all... she's an egotistical ***** who thinks she deserves everything when all she really deserves is a Superman Punch to the face. She's the Kevin Owens of this show NOT THE ROMAN REIGNS OF THE SHOW SO INCORRECT ON SO MANY LEVELS. 3. Next let's talk about Discord. There's really nothing for me to say about here though. He's not redeemed either. All this jerk has proven is that he also takes every opportunity he has to annoy the characters whenever he gets the chance. AGAIN NOT A CHARACTER TRAIT A CHARACTER FLAW AND A MAJOR ONE. You know what Discord has proven? That he only cares about Fluttershy and that's it. He clearly could care less about anyone else other than himself. No only that, he should have been turned back to stone when he betrayed everyone when he worked for Tirek. Yet no. Once again, forgiven as if he did nothing wrong and everyone acts like it didn't happen. This ******* has lost his chance at redemption honestly. He should have been turned back to stone and really needs to be turned back to stone. But will he? Our wonderful writers at work once again... 1, 2, & 3 Addendum: You know what I think my main problem is? That these characters in question (Starlight, Trixie, and Discord) aren't actually struggling with what they've done. I mean... if these characters were actually consistently struggling and/or being haunted with what they've done... then maybe, just maybe I'd be more willing to accept it. But they aren't, haven't been, and seemingly never will be. Because this show is acting as if everything they've done never happened. Which may be the worst and most horrendous part of all this. I think that's my main issue. 4. Let's talk about the writers of the show now. They used to be good. But now? NOT ANYMORE. I don't know what happened to them but they seem to have lost use of their brains and their common sense as well. As I've been thinking about this... some of the fault most likely lies with the writers/show runners/whatever you want to call them. They seem to be getting talentless hacks who have consistently proven that either a) they're hypocrites (Fame and Misfortune) who attack their own fandom for complaining about complaining yet they continue to shove things down our throats and expect us to just like and accept them b) they didn't actually take the extra mile and do actual research on the show. As in, oh I don't know, watching all the other episodes before they actually started writing them themselves? I mean, even I go the extra mile when I write fanfiction on media and I don't even consider myself a writer. Something else that should have been flat out common sense. I even did this back when I was true fan of this show/series and wrote an insane crossover fanfiction with this and a bunch of other media (anime, video games, other cartoons, etc.) When I wasn't sure about something, I took the time to do research and look it up to make sure I knew what I was doing and what I was talking about. Yet these so-called 'writers/show runners/whatever' didn't seem to do that at all and just started writing as if they knew what they were doing when they continue to prove that they don't and are flat out hypocrites. They should have watched all the previous episodes so they had a basic idea of what the show was doing, where it was going, and what to do when they started writing. Yet they didn't, clearly haven't, and seemingly never will. It's too little to late at this point to do that. But still. In other words, some of the blame for the direction of this show and why it's beginning to shove things down our throats may actually lie with the current talentless hack writers/show runners/whatever. Plus... let's not forget that the current writers have basically confirmed themselves to be nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Don't believe me? Fame and Misfortune would like a word with you, where the writers practically attacked their own freaking fandom that pretty much cause their shows popularity in the first place. Hypocritical much? Yes. Yes it is. Especially when you shove horrible, half thought out redemptions down our throats and just expect us to like them and except them and then expect us to like said so-called 'redeemed' character. LOL. I DON'T THINK SO. The writers are at fault for all this BS as well. 5. Next... let's talk about the brony fandom itself. It was decent at first. Not so much anymore now is it? Practically every so-called 'fan' of this show/series on practically every so-called 'fan forum' I've been on has the same BS expectations from me that the talentless hack writers do. Which is, of course, expecting me to like all this BS being shoved down my throat and just accept it and like it as if it's THE GREATEST THING EVER when it clearly ISN'T and seemingly HASN'T for quite a long time now. Practically everyone wants me to like Starlight Glimmer and act like she's redeemed. NO. Practically everyone wants me to like Trixie and act like she's redeemed. GOD NO. Practically everyone wants me to like Discord and act like he's redeemed. YEAH I DON'T THINK SO. Yet what happens when I don't and I have this clearly controversial opinion that I have? Everyone nags and *****es at me. Constantly. They act as if my opinion is crap, I have no reason to have it, and I should change it immediately. As if I should 'fall in line' with everyone else? Guess what that is? Here it is again everyone!! De-facto dictatorship. Your not supposed to be the 'same' as everyone else. Your supposed to be unique. Yourself. Different. Out of line. Not 'fall in line' Apparently the brony fandom didn't get this memo. Must have been lost. Or ignored. I'm guessing ignored. I refuse to 'fall in line'. End of story. 6. Now let's talk about the rumors of Chrysalis getting a redemption in Season 8. NO. JUST NO. I'm not even going to list the reasons why. There are just too many and it would make this even longer. What is the reason for this? Because I fail to see one. At all. In any way whatsoever. Notice a pattern yet? Let me spell it out for you. I'm sick of the redemption's. Especially when they are half-thought out, half-assed, horrible dumpster fires like the ones I already mentioned have been. I'm fairly sure this one would be no different. I just can't take the redemption's anymore. I really can't. If Chrysalis is redeemed I don't think I'll even care how it's done. I'LL QUIT. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. END OF STORY. Because there is absolutely no reason to do this in any way whatsoever. This is my main concern with staying. I don't want to take the risk of having to go through yet another half-thought out, half-assed dumpster fire so-called 'redemption.' You want to know how to do a redemption? FINE. Go watch Season 2 of The Lion Guard. You see what they are doing with Makuu? Even though I don't fully consider him redeemed (at least not yet) THAT'S HOW YOU DO A REDEMPTION not the half-thought out, half-assed horrible dumbster fires the talentless hack hypocritical so-called 'writers' are doing. To summarize... These are my main problems with this show. TL;DR: Starlight is a idiot with absolutely no common sense whatsoever that has clearly learned nothing. Trixie is an egotistical, ego-maniacal, holier-than-though ***** who has clearly learned nothing. Discord is a jerk who has clearly learned nothing. The so-called 'redeemed' characters aren't struggling with what they have done at all. The writers are hypocritical talentless hacks. The brony fandom is expecting me to 'fall in line' and accept and like all this BS being shoved down my throat and has becoming incredibly toxic. Chrysalis DOES NOT, SHOULD NOT, and CAN NOT be redeemed in any way whatsoever. I'm hoping for some unbiased opinions and help here in helping me decide what to do because I honestly can't take this anymore. In other words... this show has become a Dumpster Fire. |
I like what everyone hates and hate what everyone likes. So I'm controversial. I guess. |
Dec 4, 2017 2:32 PM
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I mean i get that you are really passionate abut mlp, but be honest with me here for a sec, do you really not think that you might be overthinking this way more than you should. Its still a show aimed at young girls and its ok that you enjoy it but come on dont you have not anything better to do, i'm not even trying to be mean. |
Dec 4, 2017 3:28 PM
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Huh. Well, I don't really watch MLP but you seem to have put a lot of effort into this post so I'd hate for it to go to waste. I also hate when villains get redeemed with little to no consequence. It's especially bad when another villain who might not have been as bad might get the short end of the stick just because of who the writers want to give a villain one with out completely thinking it through. |
(Translator's Note: "nico nico nii" means "SHINY DAYS in My Pocket") nico nico nii. |
Dec 4, 2017 3:36 PM
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Wow... Can we be friends? You obviously care about this show a lot, and even though I haven't watched My Little Pony since it's first two seasons back in the day, I know where your pain is coming from. I used to like the show a lot when it was hot. I have a friend who still loves MLP and her favorite couple is Discord x Fluttershy, so when I heard Discord was a good guy now, I was really happy. I'm shocked to hear he's still been misbehaving. Maybe something big's going to happen in Equestria now that all these reformed villains are getting together. The way you feel about MLP is how I feel about Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic used to be a great series. The adventure games had a perfect story, a perfect soundtrack, and perfect voice actors, and as that changed over the course of time, I began to like Sonic less and less until now where I don't even consider myself a fan at all. And it's sad when that happens because I can go back and look at versions of Sonic I really liked and I get upset because I still remember who Sonic was supposed to be and I hate what they've done to him now. Unfortunately, if MLP keeps going down this road, that may happen to you. But don't feel too bad. If you leave MLP for a while, maybe you'll find something else you really like. For me, the only thing that could replace Sonic was JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, but Sonic still has a permanent place in my heart that can never be forgotten. You're not a bad person for having a unique opinion. In fact, sticking up for what you believe makes you stronger than most. You should feel proud of yourself for being an individual. Don't let the collectivist agenda get you, baby. Peace. |
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Dec 4, 2017 4:17 PM
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The question you should be asking yourself is why you care so much about a show for five-year-old girls when you yourself are almost thirty years old |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 4, 2017 7:24 PM
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Dec 4, 2017 9:54 PM
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Dec 4, 2017 9:58 PM
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Dec 5, 2017 1:32 PM
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Pantemic said: I mean i get that you are really passionate abut mlp, but be honest with me here for a sec, do you really not think that you might be overthinking this way more than you should. Its still a show aimed at young girls and its ok that you enjoy it but come on dont you have not anything better to do, i'm not even trying to be mean. I'm sick of the BS. I'm trying to get UNBIASED help on what I should do. That's all. peh-soh-nah said: Huh. Well, I don't really watch MLP but you seem to have put a lot of effort into this post so I'd hate for it to go to waste. I also hate when villains get redeemed with little to no consequence. It's especially bad when another villain who might not have been as bad might get the short end of the stick just because of who the writers want to give a villain one with out completely thinking it through. Someone with common sense!! THANK GOD!! _Poochyena_ said: Wow... Can we be friends? You obviously care about this show a lot, and even though I haven't watched My Little Pony since it's first two seasons back in the day, I know where your pain is coming from. I used to like the show a lot when it was hot. I have a friend who still loves MLP and her favorite couple is Discord x Fluttershy, so when I heard Discord was a good guy now, I was really happy. I'm shocked to hear he's still been misbehaving. Maybe something big's going to happen in Equestria now that all these reformed villains are getting together. The way you feel about MLP is how I feel about Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic used to be a great series. The adventure games had a perfect story, a perfect soundtrack, and perfect voice actors, and as that changed over the course of time, I began to like Sonic less and less until now where I don't even consider myself a fan at all. And it's sad when that happens because I can go back and look at versions of Sonic I really liked and I get upset because I still remember who Sonic was supposed to be and I hate what they've done to him now. Unfortunately, if MLP keeps going down this road, that may happen to you. But don't feel too bad. If you leave MLP for a while, maybe you'll find something else you really like. For me, the only thing that could replace Sonic was JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, but Sonic still has a permanent place in my heart that can never be forgotten. You're not a bad person for having a unique opinion. In fact, sticking up for what you believe makes you stronger than most. You should feel proud of yourself for being an individual. Don't let the collectivist agenda get you, baby. Peace. Thanks for that. Honestly... I still like Sonic. Though I stick with the games mostly. Comic_Sans said: The question you should be asking yourself is why you care so much about a show for five-year-old girls when you yourself are almost thirty years old I suppose that's true. But I'm not sure if I should take this as an insult or not. I kind of am honestly. Nico- said: fucking die barneyfags Not sure what the point of this is honestly. SpadesofAce said: tl;dr. I don't know anything about My Little Pony because I never watched it. So I'll refrain from criticizing the show. The only good thing to come out of the fandom was probably the shed.mov parody video. I've heard of that but didn't watch it. As for @Ivoria and @Cameriera posts... I don't get the point of those either. All I'm trying to do is get UNBIASED opinions and suggestions on what I should do. |
I like what everyone hates and hate what everyone likes. So I'm controversial. I guess. |
Dec 5, 2017 2:33 PM
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Take a break bro. Like don't get me wrong. I understand you're passionate and think about this to a long extent but from my experience taking a step back and going to other fandoms or enjoying other things for a period of time is not only healthy but gives you new perspective. I did that with anime for almost 5 years and now I love the medium and fanbase more than I ever did. I have little knowledge on MLP. I watched the first season on binge ages ago and the series in itself is good but I also know that a lot of things are different about the production then it was in s1 and the fanbase has influenced the creators in one way or another. So things were bound to change and indeed become a dumpster fire. |
Dec 6, 2017 5:43 AM
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My comment meant that I think this is pretty ridiculous. As far as children's shows go, MLP is pretty good. But that's the thing -- it's a children's show. The demographic is girls no older than 11. And that's all fine and good, I'm not criticizing it for that, but that means it's simple, as it should be. The writing is not meant to be analyzed. That's just not what it's designed for. Doing so is silly and a waste of time. |
Dec 6, 2017 1:47 PM
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Stripesu said: Take a break bro. Like don't get me wrong. I understand you're passionate and think about this to a long extent but from my experience taking a step back and going to other fandoms or enjoying other things for a period of time is not only healthy but gives you new perspective. I did that with anime for almost 5 years and now I love the medium and fanbase more than I ever did. I have little knowledge on MLP. I watched the first season on binge ages ago and the series in itself is good but I also know that a lot of things are different about the production then it was in s1 and the fanbase has influenced the creators in one way or another. So things were bound to change and indeed become a dumpster fire. Thanks for the suggestion. Though I really don't feel a 'break' will make me feel any different than I do currently. Ivoria said: My comment meant that I think this is pretty ridiculous. As far as children's shows go, MLP is pretty good. But that's the thing -- it's a children's show. The demographic is girls no older than 11. And that's all fine and good, I'm not criticizing it for that, but that means it's simple, as it should be. The writing is not meant to be analyzed. That's just not what it's designed for. Doing so is silly and a waste of time. Maybe so but it reached people outside of it's so called 'target demographic' and started the 'brony fandom' in general. Therefore, that doesn't make it immune to criticism about it or it's writers or other things. I used to like it. I really did. Until they started doing half thought out, half-assed so-called 'redemption's' that really weren't redemption's AT ALL and then started shoving these characters down my throat seemingly expecting me to like them and accept that they are 'redeemed' HA HA. NO. |
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Dec 6, 2017 10:16 PM
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@Dubs4life That was me walking into the conversation. But okay you want real talk here it is. I used to be a part of the Pegasisters fandom... Ew. But yes and honestly I liked the show because it was just a cute friendship show where I could be a part of a group and practice drawing... the amount of mlp oc's I have hidden away is insane. Anyway: The whole redemption theme is something shows do a lot when they are for a younger audience. And because the main theme of this show is friendship conquers all that means that friendship must be the deciding factor in majority of things. With characters that get lots of attention writers tend to bring them back but you can't bring back a villain to be the same boring villain. So you redeem them. The thing is that because it is a demographic of little kids the writers don'y have to really have more but the main characters forgiving and forgetting for the redemption to be complete. Honestly it is a bit strange that you analyzed the show like a philosophical show. As for excepting the characters they will prob keep shoving them down your throat so you gotta decide if you care more about the positives or negatives and decide on your own. Idk. to the people who wrote it, it is prob crap because they didn't try. Once an audience is hooked most keep watching no matter how bad it gets... hence your predicament. |
Dec 8, 2017 1:44 PM
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Cameriera said: @Dubs4life That was me walking into the conversation. But okay you want real talk here it is. I used to be a part of the Pegasisters fandom... Ew. But yes and honestly I liked the show because it was just a cute friendship show where I could be a part of a group and practice drawing... the amount of mlp oc's I have hidden away is insane. Anyway: The whole redemption theme is something shows do a lot when they are for a younger audience. And because the main theme of this show is friendship conquers all that means that friendship must be the deciding factor in majority of things. With characters that get lots of attention writers tend to bring them back but you can't bring back a villain to be the same boring villain. So you redeem them. The thing is that because it is a demographic of little kids the writers don'y have to really have more but the main characters forgiving and forgetting for the redemption to be complete. Honestly it is a bit strange that you analyzed the show like a philosophical show. As for excepting the characters they will prob keep shoving them down your throat so you gotta decide if you care more about the positives or negatives and decide on your own. Idk. to the people who wrote it, it is prob crap because they didn't try. Once an audience is hooked most keep watching no matter how bad it gets... hence your predicament. I suppose, in a way, your right. That really doesn't make me feel any better though. I LOATH not finishing what I start too so that makes my situation worse. But I just don't think I can take the BS anymore. I really can't. It's made even worse by practically EVERY FUCKING BRONY acting like I should swallow all this BS and act as if it's the most delicious thing I've ever tasted, when in actuality, it's the most worst tasting concoction ever created. Then... when I don't... they bash me as if I don't have the right to feel the way I do and then act as if I should change my thinking IMMEDIATELY. In other words... 'fall in line' THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME DE-FACTO DICTATORSHIP THAT THE OP MARY-SUE WAS DOING. I'm not sure what happened. I really don't. The fandom used to be better than this. But something changed. What that is... I wish I knew. But I suppose it doesn't matter because it HAS changed, and really, it's changed for the worse. The fandom has become too toxic to the point where if you hate certain characters it's like your a SCOURGE in the fandom. Which is pretty much how I've been treated by other bronies and other MLP: FiM forums pretty much. It makes me want to throw myself out a window or something. Regardless... yeah I probably should leave. |
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