Burguburu said: 4) The magic type of shounen is overused (we have Fairy Tail) i never understood this criticism... that like saying mecha or superheroes, or buff muscle or baseball or samurai is overused... Tuestresfat said: I love people who try to defend this garbage because they can't accept the fact that they have shit taste. well, enlightment me pls... |
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| Asta's voice is enough for me to avoid this show. Also I'm just tired of these "x is overhated/overrated" threads, so much butthurt fanboys and.or obnoxious haters Why do people care so much about other people's opinions? People can like or hate anything they want, it's not rocket science |
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Gintokikachi said: I actually like Asta more than Deku, just loo at my sig :^) Why exactly? Honest question, why do you like Asta more than Deku? My feelings on this show are simple: I read the manga & am entertained by it, I like some of the characters & the action is pretty good but I will not defend this show. It is mediocre trite & deserves to be a punching bag. What pisses me off is the hype. All the bullshit about this being the "New King of Shonen" or the new Naruto. No, just no, this does not deserve to be the King of Shonen, its does not deserve to be a multimedia franchise like Naruto or One Piece. I am okay with this show doing well but fucking Hell will I be fucking pissed if this piece executive crap truly does make it big. There are plenty of Shonen that deserve to make it big, stuff like The Promised Neverland or Dr Stone. Black Clover does not deserve to make it big. |
SlimcoderNov 19, 2017 3:32 AM
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Slimcoder said: I see Asta as an improved Natsu. Both are still pretty boring tbh, but I just can turn off my brain when it comes to Asta. I mean, in the first place, I do not like Boku no Hero and BC at all, so it's like just a consolation prize if anything. I don't find Asta's voice annoying and I am pretty tolerant of dumb and hot tempered characters.Gintokikachi said: I actually like Asta more than Deku, just loo at my sig :^) Why exactly? Honest question, why do you like Asta more than Deku? |
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Gintokikachi said: I see Asta as an improved Natsu. Both are still pretty boring tbh, but I just can turn off my brain when it comes to Asta. I mean, in the first place, I do not like Boku no Hero and BC at all, so it's like just a consolation prize if anything. I don't find Asta's voice annoying and I am pretty tolerant of dumb and hot tempered characters. Eh I understand ya. Me on the other hand I can't stand the little turd. I am so fucking annoyed by idiot heroes & Asta just offends me by how fucking stupid he is. He is my least favorite character in this entire series & yes that includes the classiest assholes who make fun of him. The recent chapter of the manga just highlights how unfit he is for leading man. He is a Goddamn retard in every sense that doesn't involve Yuno. |
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| @Slimcoder Probably. I never said I "liked" him. I just prefer him over Deku for my own reasons. |
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Slimcoder said: What pisses me off is the hype. All the bullshit about this being the "New King of Shonen" or the new Naruto. No, just no, this does not deserve to be the King of Shonen, its does not deserve to be a multimedia franchise like Naruto or One Piece. I am okay with this show doing well but fucking Hell will I be fucking pissed if this piece executive crap truly does make it big. Huh? Isn't that exactly what people do with MHA? Everyone treats it as if it's the pinnacle of shonen manga despite it being just as generic as Black Clover when it started and a watered down version of Naruto in general. There are plenty of Shonen that deserve to make it big, stuff like The Promised Neverland or Dr Stone. Black Clover does not deserve to make it big. That is not up to you to decide. In fact you sound pretty insecure about whether BC makes it big or not. I mean why do you care? Do you buy the weekly shonen magazine each week? |
| Well, when you advertise something as " the next big shounen anime/the next Naruto", and then put out such a cliché anime, of course it will get hate. Asta's VA and the piss poor animation (+ filler) of Pierrot only adds to the flame. ichii_1 said: Doesn't that happen with every manga that gets adapted? Whether it's positive attention or negative. I mean, nobody gave a fuck about Mahoutsukai, but now that it has an anime, it gets praised to the heaven and has everyone's attention.notice how they didn't even care before it got an anime. |
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Reiwoods said: Cause all you need to love a series is a youtuber's seal of approval eh? What kind of BS argument is that? MHA would have a similar score and reception to Black Clover if it was as cliche as you say it is, but it isn't. And being called "new naruto" + superhero mainstream doesn't suddenly cause a drastic shift of opinion regarding an anime.On the other hand, MHA, which is also full of cliche, being loved because some youtubers called it as the "new Naruto" + add the current super hero mainstream too! Don't get me wrong, I like both series, but to me both of them are on the same level too. Also, MHA was called the anti-Naruto, Black Clover is the one being called the new Naruto, not in a good way though. |
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| @Anymusai I planned on properly replying, but then I read the last part of your post and realised that I would be only be wasting my time trying to argue with someone who believes in retarded statements like this: Also, MHA started on 2014 summer before Naruto ended, while BC started on 2015 winter after Naruto ended. Just this can influence the audiance alone. What do you, what kind of reception MHA would get if it was coming out at the same time as BC - aka after the ending of Naruto? The same. Sorry, but no can do. |
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joe_g7 said: @Anymusai I planned on properly replying, but then I read the last part of your post and realised that I would be only be wasting my time trying to argue with someone who believes in retarded statements like this: Also, MHA started on 2014 summer before Naruto ended, while BC started on 2015 winter after Naruto ended. Just this can influence the audiance alone. What do you, what kind of reception MHA would get if it was coming out at the same time as BC - aka after the ending of Naruto? The same. Sorry, but no can do. Yeah there just speaking gibberish at this point. Blind haters & such can never ever give good arguments. Also BC is being officially advertised as the "Next King of Shonen" & similar titles. |
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joe_g7 said: MHA would have a similar score and reception to Black Clover if it was as cliche as you say it is, but it isn't. Hah who are you fooling?  ^ MHA fans say it breaks the shounen mold and has better execution when it uses the shonen trope and yet you get stupid things like that. If this happened in Naruto or Bleach, everyone would be rip it apart. |
Z4k said: joe_g7 said: MHA would have a similar score and reception to Black Clover if it was as cliche as you say it is, but it isn't. Hah who are you fooling? ^ MHA fans say it breaks the shounen mold and has better execution when it uses the shonen trope and yet you get stupid things like that. If this happened in Naruto or Bleach, everyone would be rip it apart. Yes, yes a single arc that ended underwhelming after a bunch of good ones. No series is perfect really, there's always an arc or two that flubs. Everything has its highs & lows after all. |
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| 7 Episodes in and nothing has happened. Asta is annoying as fuck. One of the most obnoxious characters in recent memory. I have found no likable characters as of yet, and the action is lackluster. The show, so far, is pretty darn bad. Especially with all the insane hype it was given. |
Slimcoder said: What pisses me off is the hype. All the bullshit about this being the "New King of Shonen" or the new Naruto. No, just no, this does not deserve to be the King of Shonen, its does not deserve to be a multimedia franchise like Naruto or One Piece. I am okay with this show doing well but fucking Hell will I be fucking pissed if this piece executive crap truly does make it big. There are plenty of Shonen that deserve to make it big, stuff like The Promised Neverland or Dr Stone. Black Clover does not deserve to make it big. who TF said that? in fact, BC sold low, they just barely passing 100K when anime anounced... it's just TOC ratings that's good... FYI, The Promised Neverland does the one that get big. they sold 300K right in their first volume... even Dr.Stone has better first VOl sells breaking 50K... Burguburu said: Kuma said: i never understood this criticism... that like saying mecha or superheroes, or buff muscle or baseball or samurai is overused... Please, we have FT from 2009...then other shounen with the same genre...do you are not tired of the same genre over and over? The others genres are not sense in shounen if they are not popular, soo (samurai theme is not boring to begin or overused, superheores theme didn't impact until BNHA, so another not valid overused here)..... ignorance showing how much superhero stuff produced, heck, the first coded hot blooded battle shounen (nekketsu) has superheroes theme, kinnikuman... _______________________________ okay, i simply being ignorance, but who ever hyped BC? this is much more similiar in toriko or WT if anything... it never sells physical volume that good so they pumped out profit by merchindise sales and TV ratings with long run series rather than being a risky pricy multimedia frenchise... |
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| They could do a really really better job at this series. The stupid intro is pointless. Start by giving the actual story more screen time. |
| I agree, its a lackluster Shounen (and damm the constant screaming from the MC) but is it really worse than stuff like Fairy Tail? Yet BC gets all the hate and people act like its the worst anime ever. |
| I agreed with everything you said. The hate towards the show is beyond ridiculous. I fucking hate MAL sometimes. |
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TheDoggoneGirl said: I agreed with everything you said. The hate towards the show is beyond ridiculous. I fucking hate MAL sometimes. butthurt fanboy much? |
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| Over hated?!! Damn it's been a while since I seen this word associate with a anime. I couldn't care either way, I'm a shonen lover no matter what it is so Black Clover works out so far as a decent one. By episode 25 Maybe the rating will go higher then 4000... |
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| @Halpher Thank you for opening a peaceful discussion, or at least attempting to have one. It is a welcome change from the unjustified rage and hate. We need more open-minded people in this community or so I feel. ShiroiRyu said: If i say i prefer Black Clover to One Piece, i will be hated or not ? :x It's just, i loved Fairy Until until like the 100 last chapters where seriously, it's was bad. I like the art in Black Clover, the female characters (wait for Sister Lion ... XD) and the pace ... I'm not really caring about others opinions but in same time, i want to read them ... Just to know if it's a basic excuse (like someone creating a new account with 0 messages juste to wrote ill about a anime ...) or a real argument. I was going to say the same thing xD I could never get into One Piece, and Naruto too, as much as I tried and wanted. Neither when I was younger, nor as an adult. But that does not make me an advocate or hater for any of these shows. You either enjoy something or you don't. While BlaClo looks like it has been patched with bits and pieces from all sorts of shounen that came way before it, it is still just as fun and enjoyable. The art is clean, the characters are distinct and endearing, the story has enough mystery to keep things going, and the anime managed to fix all the holes left by the rushed manga and its inexperienced mangaka. @Anymusai Thank you for trying to have a reasonable logical argument. I agree with a lot of what you said and it is really a shame to see this community's inability to discuss things in a calm and civil manner. @TheDoggoneGirl Same here. It is really sad and disappointing. Especially when they, in their majority, are not even contributing to the industry in any way. |
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waifu_stealer said: TheDoggoneGirl said: I agreed with everything you said. The hate towards the show is beyond ridiculous. I fucking hate MAL sometimes. butthurt fanboy much? So, when someone find something ridiculous and defended an anime, he's already butthurt? I'm not even a fanboy. Jesus. Lmao. Hater much? |
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TheDoggoneGirl said: So, when someone find something ridiculous and defended an anime, he's already butthurt? I'm not even a fanboy. Jesus. Lmao. Hater much? Its fine if you can defend something as long as you have points but you just said "OH THOSE HATERS HATE EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" |
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Unleashed_SM said: Power of believing is just a way of life. By that logic so are cliche characters. |
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| I would like to say that Black Clover is not such a bad anime. So far I have watched 8 episodes and it is true, the pacing is terribly slow. I looked for some spoilers in later manga chapters and I truly believe there is potential. That fact that I am looking for spoilers is proof that there is redeeming quality in the show. I actually did the same with My Hero Academia. Concerning Asta's VA, I don't think it's unbearable and it's supposed to irritate your ears as characters keep telling the protagonist to shut up with his annoying voice. It's a good job when an actor makes you despise the antagonist, same logic here. I applaud the VA for making Asta so annoying to listen to. Must be very straining to the voice. Then there is the cliché argument. This argument is complete BS for the sole reason that every year, every season you have so many anime with similarities that would allow you to say it's cliché: "hero saves the day", "damsel in distress loves the hero", "power of believing", "you can do it if only you try hard enough"... Guess what: cliché works. The most popular shows are extremely cliché and only a few can fill the niche of successful non-cliché and original anime/manga story. Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist and Liar Game come to mind. Just because it's cliché does not mean it's bad but you might think twice before watching. Don't call it unoriginal anime when it's not supposed to be original, it's obvious. Can't call cliché the common traits that make a shounen manga: a protagonist with potential, hardly the strongest, rivalries, a weakness to overcome, mild stupidity, the desire to become the best for a shallow reason (Naruto, One Piece are good examples: Ninja king for Naruto, Pirate king for One Piece and Wizard king for Black Clover). |
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Halpher said: Black Clover might become the new SAO in terms of being hated. That might be true, but the reasons why BC and SAO are hated are completely different. People hated BC because it's popular even though it has a lot of shounen clichés. Which is the very same reason why most even love the anime. For casual anime watchers, these clichés are fun. Majority of anime fans are casual watchers, so it's normal for these types of shows to be popular. Most people who spends time posting on anime discussion websites aren't exactly casual watchers, so you'll mostly find hate comments towards the anime in websites like MAL. However, SAO was the most loved series in its season. There were hardly any hate towards the series when it's airing, even during the 2nd arc of the first season. People only started openly hating on it because of some youtubers realizing how much easy clicks/views they can get from hating SAO. Of course, the series has its flaws. But these youtubers/reviewers bashed the series like it's the worst thing in the universe, and failed to review the series properly (Their SAO reviews are extremely inconsistent with their other reviews. Loving clichés from other series, but hating it in SAO. etc). This circlejerk to call SAO the worst anime ever appeared years after the first season ended, so most SAO fans who had forgotten why they enjoyed the series even started hating on it after watching their reviews. After all, doesn't matter if it's unknowingly or not, most people tend to adopt others opinions. Hence, there was a time when SAO ratings dropped considerably, YEARS after it aired. If you want a deeper analysis on this, a youtuber by the name ThePedanticRomantic did a pretty good job at it. tl;dr, If you enjoyed an anime, don't let its haters get to you. Because sometimes, people hate on a series for completely BS reasons. It's bad for your heart if you care too much about what the community thinks. |
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waifu_stealer said: TheDoggoneGirl said: So, when someone find something ridiculous and defended an anime, he's already butthurt? I'm not even a fanboy. Jesus. Lmao. Hater much? Its fine if you can defend something as long as you have points but you just said "OH THOSE HATERS HATE EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" I don't remember saying "OH THOSE HATERS HATE EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE". Can you point me to a direction where I made a point just like that? Lmao. Stop. |
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TheDoggoneGirl said: waifu_stealer said: Its fine if you can defend something as long as you have points but you just said "OH THOSE HATERS HATE EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" I don't remember saying "OH THOSE HATERS HATE EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE". Can you point me to a direction where I made a point just like that? Lmao. Stop. TheDoggoneGirl said: hate towards the show is beyond ridiculous. I fucking hate MAL sometimes. I think I proved my point. I'm not saying you can't like the show but you just seem mad about people who don't |
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waifu_stealer said: TheDoggoneGirl said: hate towards the show is beyond ridiculous. I fucking hate MAL sometimes. I think I proved my point. I'm not saying you can't like the show but you just seem mad about people who don't Well, we all know that 90% of the people who are hating on it are because of Asta's seiyuu which is ridiculous. Stop being a prejudice thinking that I'm mad over people who hate the show. Yeah, sure you hate the show, so can you leave me alone now? Lmfao. I'm not even a big fan of the show, and yeah sure Asta's seiyuu's voice grinds my gears, but that's not a good justification to hate on the show. Lmao. |
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TheDoggoneGirl said: waifu_stealer said: I think I proved my point. I'm not saying you can't like the show but you just seem mad about people who don't Well, we all know that 90% of the people who are hating on it are because of Asta's seiyuu which is ridiculous. Stop being a prejudice thinking that I'm mad over people who hate the show. Yeah, sure you hate the show, so can you leave me alone now? Lmfao. I'm not even a big fan of the show, and yeah sure Asta's seiyuu's voice grinds my gears, but that's not a good justification to hate on the show. Lmao. All right so many things wrong with your post. First of all hating Asta's voice is a valid reason to hate on the show imo. Second, I don't completely hate the show, it actually has some potential and I want it to be better. Third, you claim not to be mad about people who don't like the show but look at what you're doing right now. Fourth, you say your not a fan but you gave it a 9 lmao |
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ConstantDenial said: its just the typical hate. idk why people dont hate on SoL anime.theyre all the same. But black clover isnt supposed to be slice of life anime. people just read the manga, expecting something from this, and then disappointed by how shitty the adaptation is.. |
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Anymusai said: Burguburu said: 1) SAO give it a first impression to many in the first episode (unlike BC) then it becomes one the most overrated and generic animes of all the time. MHA first season is only 13 episodes unlike BC that tries so hard to be popular with more than 50 episodes. Also MHA early episodes are low and bit boring but unlike BC when first episodes are so bad that many people drop it. 2) See "1)" with Deku at least is not annoying like Asta. Also flashback of BNHA are more sense that the +10 minutes filler flashbacks of the second episode of BC. 3) Filler/expansions are the same in my opinion. It is not in the manga or have not sense with the plot is filler. Also Filler/expansions ≠good pacing. Many scenes in the anime are boring and/or pointless. 4) Nonsense comparation. 5) Another nonsense comparation. 6) First, the comedy is subjective. Second, nonsense response. 7) Subjetive and nonsense comparation.Your comment have no research with just BC have +120 chapters in the manga with Bleach and Naruto are finished (with more than 600 chapters). Yeah, 'random'?! arcs -.-. 8) -.- 1)SAO was bad at the very beginning thanks to the Garry Stue Kirito, so only the youtubers and the blinded MMORPG fans had that "first impression". The number of episoded mean nothing, Monster has 74 episodes and "one season", it was never "popular" and yet far better than MHA and BC combined. 2)Sure, he just cried the entire first two episodes, he cried so much that even Kaneki would puke from him. Makes more sense? Lol, would you explain why? 3)I can't do anything if you clinging into your "opinion", but "have not sense with the plot"? Explain why, because they didn't make anything nonsese staff, like putting futuristic time travelers or anything. One Piece has barely fillers and yet the pacing is the worst ever, they are not even adapting 1 chapter, only some pages per episode. Also, fillers can be used for good stuff too, like deepening characters and expaning the world. 4)Or simply can't deny the fact. 5)Again, simply can't deny the fact. 6)First, true, yet as I wrotte even the so called "critics" and youtubes praising the comedy. Second, you can't simpy deny anything again so choose to repeat the same "nonsense". 7)Sigh, so then: - Naruto: The "real story" in the Chunnin Exam Arc, aka 34-36 chapters later, and nothing were foreshadowed before. Then the mangaka makes a lot of retcon for the sake to impress the fans. - Bleach: Again, the "real story" begin when Renji and Byakuya comes for Rukia which again are after dozens of chapters. Then after Aizen's defeat random enemies with forced retcons. - MHA: "Story" in nutshell: Midoriya wants to become Pokemon Master because of fanboyism.... then he takes an exam, then fight againts the God Hands/Akatsuki, then Chojin Olympics, then random overhyped "legendary" enemy defeated by three 15 years old kids, then random "trip" only within Japan because there is no life outside japan even in a super hero stuff, Blonde-Sasuke Retrival Arc with a Byakuya Death Vol. 2 starring All Might and "All-Shitty-Marvel-Villains-And-The-Joker-And-Aizen-Combined", then "Green Naruto VS Blonde Sasuke in the Valley Of The Buildings", then another exam arc, then another overhyped legendary enemy being crushed... yeah, totally "no" random arcs. The only subplot that may connect them is the "One For All" ability's mystery (which again has inner demons effects see the tournament arc). In BC we at least has the Elves and their Sefirot and Magic Stones which are all introduced at Chapter 9 already. 1.) Not a good comparison, Monster comeout like +10years ago when the anime community wasnt this large, and the number of episode wasnt really the problem, its the pacing. 2.) i'm not the type that affected by how i hate a character personality so i'll leave this one out. asta is annoying, but thats how he potrayed in the manga 3.) yes, one piece has a worst pacing right now, even without filler, its the expansion you said multiple times, padding out some manga material and stretch it as long as possible, the same thing happening right now with black clover, 8 episodes and only around 6 chapters were adapted, its either because of filler or expanded, either way its not good 4.) i'm agree that "magic shounen is overused" isnt a good reason to hate on this, but you cant deny that this show is too similiar with fairytail, i mean, with those guild thing (black bulls and fairytail both are known as low level/troublesome magic guild), so you can see why a lot of fairytail haters would hate this show for same reason 5.) liking character is objective 6.) comedy is subjective, but admit it, if you have seen some good comedy genre anime, BC comedy especially in these filler/expansion episode is really weak. 7.) i love how shitty your MHA explanation is. Even one piece story would sound shitty if explained with that mindset. There's no such thing as "real story". Every story start at chapter 1. Some story took their time and explaining the world it has (like naruto and bleach from your example) and some story build their world while progressing the story (like MHA and One Piece for example) and those thing you called "random arc" actually lead into some character development. Imo, black clover is the type that build the world at early chapters, so Black clover pace is a bit slower even in the manga, and then they make it even slower for the anime. |
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