| I want to start off with a disclaimer, this is in no way, shape or form supposed to be bait. Furthermore, I myself am neither a liberal (or of any left wing beliefs) nor a alt-righter (or of any right wing beliefs). If anything, I usually try to stay away from both sides, because they seem to lack some mental stability. That said, if need be, I am more tempted to side with those of conservative beliefs, who often seem to fight for more rational goals. I am not trying to take any sides or to say one thing is morally right over the other, I am simply trying to start a debate to get a better understanding of things. We've all seen it in anime, one character likes another but that target of said desire and affection tends to be somewhat.. agressive. A slap here, a punch there, a kick in the brain that magically teleports them into space. You get the drift. However, in many cases there seems to be no apparent consequences for said actions. Moreso, in shows the agressive abuser seems to win, by not only gaining the heart of the victim but having the relationship portrayed in a most romantical light. Other times it's played only for laughs at the expense at one or more characters and there never seems to be an actual need for a more realistic approach on it. The "tsundere" archetype is proeminent in anime, especially nowadays, with many being infatuated with it. And while, at times, it's usually a more cartoony portrayal that might be taken seriously because of the blatant one-dimensional character, there are moments when it seems to be taken to far. There is also the aspect of "yanderes" for example, a cartoony exaggeration of someone highly unstable, capable of killing all those around the victim, including them. While this trope appears to be harder to take seriously because of unreal it often appears to be, the concept does have pretty deep roots in reality. I'm sure there might be other archetypes I'm not currently aware of that fit somewhere within this spectrum, but I chose to mention the most popular two for this discussion. There is another aspect, though I think less common, of violence towards children, either in households or in general, that can be played either for the aforementioned comedic effects or to add a layer of depth to the narrative (or in some cases, just be emotionally manipulative in order to garner a reaction from the audience). My curiosity is, no matter the sex of the "bully"/"target", how do you feel about this? have you seen any anime where consequences are suffered for ill intended actions? Do you consider the industry or community to have any double standards about it? What would you change about this and how? And how do you feel the community handles this? |
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| Because all yanderes are violent free and all tsunderes are violent right? |
| Well I consider domestic violence and such bad in real life but when looking at my favourites all of them have a form of abuse Be it Yuji abusing Shana emotionally in season 3 or Louise abusing Saito for the majority of the show I probably don't mind since I'm a edge lord when it comes to the things I read and watch |
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| 1. Yanderes are the best! So fuck you! And they're not as retarded as the tsunderes and actually knows their love.. 2. Abusive Tsunderes on the other hand are plain shit.. No way you're mentally stable if the only way you can express your love is by hitting the MC! I think the MC should hit the Tsundere back every time they try abusing him.. It's the only way they'll learn that hitting someone won't make them fall in love with you.. And somehow they always end up winning in the end despite being the worst character.. I mean WTF? -_- > My curiosity is, no matter the sex of the "bully"/"target", how do you feel about this? Disgusted.. >have you seen any anime where consequences are suffered for ill intended actions? Almost never. >Do you consider the industry or community to have any double standards about it? Of course.. I see people hating on abusive tsunderes all day long and in the end they still pick Senjougohara ( abusive worst girl from monogatari) in the end?? I'm starting to wander if everyone is just a masochist or do they have legit shit taste.. >What would you change about this and how? Nothing I can do about it.. But if there's anything I could do, I'd make the MC point out all the flaws of the Tsundere in the end when she confesses and straight out reject her for being an abusive bitch.. My heart would find some peace that why.. >And how do you feel the community handles this? Half of them continue to feed the Tsundere rage by buying all the author's bullshit and Tsundere best girl because Tsundere fad.. If people were serious we'd never have tsunderes to begin with.. Disclaimer : Half of this post is sarcastic.. The other half is dead serious |
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Paul said: Because all yanderes are violent free and all tsunderes are violent right? i'm not sure what you mean, but i'm pretty sure you misunderstood what i said. |
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| Well, if it's just played for laughs it's whatever, in my opinion. Now, when it's serious, like in something like Ookami Shoujo, where the guy is pretty douchey in the beginning. There though, it's more something to get over rather than a good thing. |
on Sjo said: I think he was probably replying to my comment.. Paul said: Because all yanderes are violent free and all tsunderes are violent right? i'm not sure what you mean, but i'm pretty sure you misunderstood what i said. @Paul, I didn't say that.. But Yanderes are a lot less likely to be violent with the MC (unless he picks the wrong girl in the end :v) than the abusive Tsunderes.. Aka the special branch of tsunderes who hits MC in every word.. (Refer to : Senjougohara, Hitler Kirino, Chitoge).. They are in no way normal.. |
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Sjo said: Paul said: Because all yanderes are violent free and all tsunderes are violent right? i'm not sure what you mean, but i'm pretty sure you misunderstood what i said. It wasn't towards your post. I don't have any problems with violent girls in anime. To me it's just comedy because that's what it is. But you know, everyone these dayss offended by everything. I can understand disliking it if it clashes with the story like in Shigatsu where the boy is abused as a child but the anime treats it as comedy when the main girl does it. Z-Dante said: I think he was probably replying to my comment.. @Paul, I didn't say that.. But Yanderes are a lot less likely to be violent with the MC (unless he picks the wrong girl in the end :v) than the abusive Tsunderes.. Aka the special branch of tsunderes who hits MC in every word.. (Refer to : Senjougohara, Hitler Kirino, Chitoge).. They are in no way normal.. If you're gonna use the an abusive tsundres as your prime example for tsunderes, then you need to use a proper for yanderes. Picking someone else is the least of the problem for the love interest, cause when it comes to a yandere, they wouldn't even be okay with letting them talk or look at other girls. |
Z-Dante said: This post explain every single shit that i want to say, gud job sir1. Yanderes are the best! So fuck you! And they're not as retarded as the tsunderes and actually knows their love.. 2. Abusive Tsunderes on the other hand are plain shit.. No way you're mentally stable if the only way you can express your love is by hitting the MC! I think the MC should hit the Tsundere back every time they try abusing him.. It's the only way they'll learn that hitting someone won't make them fall in love with you.. And somehow they always end up winning in the end despite being the worst character.. I mean WTF? -_- > My curiosity is, no matter the sex of the "bully"/"target", how do you feel about this? Disgusted.. >have you seen any anime where consequences are suffered for ill intended actions? Almost never. >Do you consider the industry or community to have any double standards about it? Of course.. I see people hating on abusive tsunderes all day long and in the end they still pick Senjougohara ( abusive worst girl from monogatari) in the end?? I'm starting to wander if everyone is just a masochist or do they have legit shit taste.. >What would you change about this and how? Nothing I can do about it.. But if there's anything I could do, I'd make the MC point out all the flaws of the Tsundere in the end when she confesses and straight out reject her for being an abusive bitch.. My heart would find some peace that why.. >And how do you feel the community handles this? Half of them continue to feed the Tsundere rage by buying all the author's bullshit and Tsundere best girl because Tsundere fad.. If people were serious we'd never have tsunderes to begin with.. Disclaimer : Half of this post is sarcastic.. The other half is dead serious |
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| What are you talking about OP, it's totally realistic for a guy to fall for a girl who always beats him. |
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| Tsundere 101 >Gets beaten up for no reason. >The whole running gag about seeing a girl naked are felt the same >Every cliche are way showoff (I mean not all of it) >Most of them are Blondes and Twintails >Relationships are kinda like "Victim and a Culprit thing" Surely I'm not having a great time seeing a fellow man gets more than just hitting up (#THEYDIDNOTHINGWRONG) Honestly My Sarcasms got me. |
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I mean are we really going to say that like, they just shouldn't be in anime? I mean some characters are Kamidere.  100% still enjoyable. She is hurting a pervy character who likes being hurt and likes being controlled.  The entire point of a tsundere for me, is to come to a point of their character development where they break down you know... ? Like they are just harder to melt. Many tsunderes are done wrong and over the top. Moments when the characters notice they are being softer and respond kind. The moments when they are genuinely accepting... even if creepy. That tough exterior is a lot like people in real life... I mean yeah so what if your friends try to say that you are being a stupid jealous bitch. Because honestly is the best policy I think I like this Tsundere best because she isn't the kind that hits... she is the kind that cuts deep with her hurtful words to even her closest friends to try and be self destructive and doesn't even ask for forgiveness. She is just someone who doesn't even know how to love properly and is hurting inside. She thinks she doesn't need anyone but she needs love more than anyone. (show is Wandering Son) |
Energetic-NovaJun 8, 2017 10:17 PM
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 I mean it is what it is but, are you really someone who doesn't even like a Romiko Tsundere?  I mean...as much as Kagome was annoying... at times, I still liked her. Here even doing the famous "idiot" speach she is saying it because Inuyasha almost died... (which yeah happened a lot. that was the plot. not spoiling shit)  |
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| how do you feel about this? So to answer you, it depends how it is done. It can be done very wrong. Or it can be done right. And I really wont know until I see it and since it is animated I do not have as much feeling for "oh this is harmful" because well, nobody was harmed. I don't believe people act by what they see. We see characters straight up murdered all the time in anime. Eh. Don't see people asking for less violence in anime. See them asking for more if anything. have you seen any anime where consequences are suffered for ill intended actions? I have seen anime where Tsudere's suffer for their actions if that is what you are asking. I have also seen ones where they don't. I have seen ones where characters are beat up for no reason for comedic effect (Love Tyrant) where I did actually think it was funny but also ones where I did not- because it was not over the top enough. Do you consider the industry or community to have any double standards about it? No. though possibly yes. People take Tsundere's less seriously than Light Yagami from Death Note. Who was an abuser. He killed even people very close to him. He did not care. There was a TV show that was target for japan's PTA essencially. It was called Miss Machiko. It was actually a children's show though. So I think there is good reason it was targeted. It involved young boys sexually violating their teacher over and over. (not sex but like grabbing her boobs and butt, and panties) all for comedy. Many Japanese said this was their favorite show. A lot of people think this anime is funny too. It is called My little Monster. I personally have not seen it. So I cannot judge. I am planning to watch it.   I mean if people think that is funny, then there can be no double standard that exists. Also if you take a gander at the hentai genre, you will find way more tales where women are raped and brutalized in a completely serious way in which MEN are supposed to wank to. Let us not forget, Tsuderes are also created for men to wank to. They are not made for women to wank to. It is all for men. When Tsunderes appear "for ladies" they are usually tamer and never the same as when they appear in your light novel adaptations. Example: Wandering Son is not wank material so everyone is allowed to actually grow. What would you change about this and how? Make more anime for women is clearly the answer. JK. Honestly, I would just buy more anime I liked. The only way to change anything is to buy more stuff. But heck I already buy two series every year. Trying to convince more people to go legal is difficult. But I always rec anime that I feel handle issues better or even make good use of their time. Just give people what they actually want. And how do you feel the community handles this? Some people are annoying always posting how they hate Tsunderes not even understanding what one is supposed to be, not realizing that maybe they just hate the execution and maybe they should avoid light novel adaptations. Other people are also annoying who seem to give money to these types of anime to the exclusion of all other kinds. But that is their choice to be honest. If you gave your money to anime you liked, you might have more anime you liked. I do want to say some anime frustrate me like Junjo Romantica where there is no progression into a happier relationship. Ranma is much the same way sometimes. But I think I give it more leeway because it is the case of an arranged marriage and she hates all men. Her partner is an equal asshole. |
Energetic-NovaJun 8, 2017 11:11 PM
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| that kind of relationships can go to hell i only care about lovey dovey relationships when the couple understand/help each other |
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| First of all you're making a fucking problem out of something that never was and never will be a problem. What is there to discuss about this ? What is the point of it? Okay now that i have gotten this off my chest. This thread and these replies i have but one word for this. L O L also Anime L O G I C |
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| The few things I commonly hear from tsundere fans are: He/she "developed" the most throughout the series and hence "deserves" the spotlight He/she is the most pretty guy/girl in the series I like my characters a bit fiery, sweet relations are boring And for the authors/creators I guess those are some easy to include things to make the series popular Tsundere development plots are pretty generic, even though the setting for the series might be different the actions and speech pattern of the tsundere hardly vary plus all of them mostly go through the same stages of development. It extremely rare to see tsunderes with some depth who don't physically abuse others and where there is actually some reason for them behaving in such a manner. Most people specially newer/younger anime fans are easily attracted to pretty looking characters as compared to someone with a good personality very unfortunately. If it's purely for comedy purposes and the character doesn't overdo with the physical abuse then honestly I don't mind it, the only time it really bothers me is when they show any sort of romantic development between it really does put me off. Majority of the fans like it and that's why the archtype is thriving but it disgusts me to no end when either fans or the creators themselves show the MC getting close to the person who constantly keeps on abusing him. The only time I may make an exception is when the tsundere is just pretending to be cold due to some bad past experience but does not physically hit the MC and she/he is THE ONLY possible love interest, no baiting on any other possible ships from the creators side what-so-ever. As for double standards, yes I feel that both tsundere fans and the industry have a lot of double standards, they treat the abuse as a way of showing their love and if it gets out of hand then everyone just laughs it off as comedy. I don't think I've ever seen character being shown to suffer ill effects simply because the creators want to sell it of as romance. |
Maou_heikaJun 9, 2017 10:47 AM
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| Is this tsundere trend really that bad it permeates everything or you guys just suck at picking anime? Because I've only seen two following the archetype's path(kind of): Eri Sawatchika (School Rumble) and Taiga Aisaka (Toradora!). And maybe Mary (Hai to Gensou no Grimgar) as well to a certain extent. They were fairly well handled. *plays Yakety Sax* |
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| @le_halfhand_easy yeah is really that bad they are overused and they never lose in harems/love triangles(just from this season eromanga sensei and Rokudenashi have a tsundere as main love interest) and next season we have another disgusting nisekoi rip off tsundere fags cant see how much disgusting and annoying this trope |
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| In shigatsu Kousei's mother used to abuse him, that was shown in a serious way. But the random pointless hitting he got my both the girls were apparently supposed to be funny, which is killing the point. Its rare to find an anime where it is shown seriously, especially abuse from a love interest. The tsundere trope is boring and repetitive, and very annoying. Unless done well, and the tsundere having solid reasons behind her harsh exterior and that she does not hit, its usually terrible and boring. |
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AstZero said: First of all you're making a fucking problem out of something that never was and never will be a problem. What is there to discuss about this ? What is the point of it? Okay now that i have gotten this off my chest. This thread and these replies i have but one word for this. L O L also Anime L O G I C you need to stop being so agressive towrds innocent discussion and leave your frustrations at the door when talking to crowds. you sound very triggered and it's nothing but humorous. le_halfhand_easy said: Is this tsundere trend really that bad it permeates everything or you guys just suck at picking anime? Because I've only seen two following the archetype's path(kind of): Eri Sawatchika (School Rumble) and Taiga Aisaka (Toradora!). And maybe Mary (Hai to Gensou no Grimgar) as well to a certain extent. They were fairly well handled. *plays Yakety Sax* i personally avoid a lot of what seems like generic anime i think i've already told you i don't post bait because i don't see the point in it, yet you keep insisting on it. it's funny because the post is structured in a way that can't possibly be confused, especially since i mentioned i don't take sides. you're either suffering from some form of autism (and i'm not saying it as an insult, i mean it because you seem to be incapable of understanding) or you just enjoy starting shit, which is childish. or perhaps dismissing discussion or someone else's point makes it easier to deal with things you are not comfortable with. Jonouchi-Katsuya said: I mean it is what it is but, are you really someone who doesn't even like a Romiko Tsundere? I mean...as much as Kagome was annoying... at times, I still liked her. Here even doing the famous "idiot" speach she is saying it because Inuyasha almost died... (which yeah happened a lot. that was the plot. not spoiling shit) well, as i said before, i'm not taking any sides in this discussion, i only asked a question. as for personal preference, i love urusei yatsura as a whole. it's so endearing and charming. and lum is lovely, i won't lie. it helps that the comedy in UY is really good. and ranma 1/2 also seems to be very endearing and charming. inuyasha i only watched as a kid, but i was never really that much of a fan. D-ohnuts said: What are you talking about OP, it's totally realistic for a guy to fall for a girl who always beats him. hahahaha well to be fair, i know some dudes who.. Maou_heika said: Tsundere development plots are pretty generic, even though the setting for the series might be different the actions and speech pattern of the tsundere hardly vary plus all of them mostly go through the same stages of development. It extremely rare to see tsunderes with some depth who don't physically abuse others and where there is actually some reason for them behaving in such a manner. Most people specially newer/younger anime fans are easily attracted to pretty looking characters as compared to someone with a good personality very unfortunately. If it's purely for comedy purposes and the character doesn't overdo with the physical abuse then honestly I don't mind it, the only time it really bothers me is when they show any sort of romantic development between it really does put me off. Majority of the fans like it and that's why the archtype is thriving but it disgusts me to no end when either fans or the creators themselves show the MC getting close to the person who constantly keeps on abusing him. The only time I may make an exception is when the tsundere is just pretending to be cold due to some bad past experience but does not physically hit the MC and she/he is THE ONLY possible love interest, no baiting on any other possible ships from the creators side what-so-ever. As for double standards, yes I feel that both tsundere fans and the industry have a lot of double standards, they treat the abuse as a way of showing their love and if it gets out of hand then everyone just laughs it off as comedy. these are very interesting points you are making |
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| @Sjo Please make a specific note of what kind of discussion am I not comfortable with? Also, I am not starting to make a shit out of it, you who dared to touched the shit sparks it... :/ |
| I don't like tsunderes or yanderes. I honestly think most of the time trying to create characters into these tropes restrict fleshing them out more. I'm not that interested going on some crusade against these tropes but I'm not interested in them either. I'd rather prefer we'd get more realistic anime dealing with abuse rather than just playing it for comedy or in some cases looking at you yaoi romantic. There are some manga but they haven't been adapted into anime:/ Don't remember seeing an abusive relationship where husband was the victim of his wife/GF, that wasn't played as a joke or some masochist fantasies. Even in manga I can only remember seeing one case in a BL story What did you eat yesterday. But then again abuse in general is often pushed in to the show as a cheap way to bring some emotion to the audience. Extra points if the victim is a lil child. |
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Sjo said: AstZero said: First of all you're making a fucking problem out of something that never was and never will be a problem. What is there to discuss about this ? What is the point of it? Okay now that i have gotten this off my chest. This thread and these replies i have but one word for this. L O L also Anime L O G I C you need to stop being so agressive towrds innocent discussion and leave your frustrations at the door when talking to crowds. you sound very triggered and it's nothing but humorous. Frustrations? Lol nope. Although the increasing stupidity of recent threads has definetly been an annoyance to me. |
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AstZero said: Sjo said: you need to stop being so agressive towrds innocent discussion and leave your frustrations at the door when talking to crowds. you sound very triggered and it's nothing but humorous. Frustrations? Lol nope. Although the increasing stupidity of recent threads has definetly been an annoyance to me. i wouldn't call anything stupid while having sword art online in my favorites list.. i't alright if you can't have a civilized discussion, but don't bother others. |
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urpoutta said: I don't like tsunderes or yanderes. I honestly think most of the time trying to create characters into these tropes restrict fleshing them out more. I'm not that interested going on some crusade against these tropes but I'm not interested in them either. I'd rather prefer we'd get more realistic anime dealing with abuse rather than just playing it for comedy or in some cases looking at you yaoi romantic. There are some manga but they haven't been adapted into anime:/ Don't remember seeing an abusive relationship where husband was the victim of his wife/GF, that wasn't played as a joke or some masochist fantasies. Even in manga I can only remember seeing one case in a BL story What did you eat yesterday. But then again abuse in general is often pushed in to the show as a cheap way to bring some emotion to the audience. Extra points if the victim is a lil child. a crusade would indeed be pointless. but discussions on the matter can be had. sure, the industry can't be changed, no matter how people view it, but ideas and concepts can still be debated. and yes, unfortunately trying to build characters to fit a certain archetype i feel limits the writer and removes any room for growth. |
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Sjo said: AstZero said: Frustrations? Lol nope. Although the increasing stupidity of recent threads has definetly been an annoyance to me. i wouldn't call anything stupid while having sword art online in my favorites list.. i't alright if you can't have a civilized discussion, but don't bother others. LOL. With this you just proved how stupid you are.Bothering others? Nah not really i just posted my comment that pretty much is the short version of this entire discussion xD. Its others choice if they want to reply to me or not xD. I just hope you ain't one of dem wannabe elitists. If you are ... well i guess we're done here you know you can't aruge with a person who thinks they're the best in something that is completly subjective such as taste xD. That in itself is just incredibly stupid. |
AstZeroJun 9, 2017 3:51 PM
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AstZero said: Sjo said: i wouldn't call anything stupid while having sword art online in my favorites list.. i't alright if you can't have a civilized discussion, but don't bother others. LOL. With this you just proved how stupid you are.Bothering others? Nah not really i just posted my comment that pretty much is the short version of this entire discussion xD. Its others choice if they want to reply to me or not xD. I just hope you ain't one of dem wannabe elitists. If you are ... well i guess we're done here you know you can't aruge with a person who thinks they're the best in something that is completly subjective such as taste xD. That in itself is just incredibly stupid. you've gone terribly offtopic so in case you haven't anything to add to our discussion, i'll leave you with my best regards. cheers! |
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Sjo said: AstZero said: LOL. With this you just proved how stupid you are.Bothering others? Nah not really i just posted my comment that pretty much is the short version of this entire discussion xD. Its others choice if they want to reply to me or not xD. I just hope you ain't one of dem wannabe elitists. If you are ... well i guess we're done here you know you can't aruge with a person who thinks they're the best in something that is completly subjective such as taste xD. That in itself is just incredibly stupid. you've gone terribly offtopic so in case you haven't anything to add to our discussion, i'll leave you with my best regards. cheers! Well you're the one that led the conversation in that way but whatever. Bye. |
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Sjo said: AstZero said: First of all you're making a fucking problem out of something that never was and never will be a problem. What is there to discuss about this ? What is the point of it? Okay now that i have gotten this off my chest. This thread and these replies i have but one word for this. L O L also Anime L O G I C you need to stop being so agressive towrds innocent discussion and leave your frustrations at the door when talking to crowds. you sound very triggered and it's nothing but humorous. le_halfhand_easy said: Is this tsundere trend really that bad it permeates everything or you guys just suck at picking anime? Because I've only seen two following the archetype's path(kind of): Eri Sawatchika (School Rumble) and Taiga Aisaka (Toradora!). And maybe Mary (Hai to Gensou no Grimgar) as well to a certain extent. They were fairly well handled. *plays Yakety Sax* i personally avoid a lot of what seems like generic anime i think i've already told you i don't post bait because i don't see the point in it, yet you keep insisting on it. it's funny because the post is structured in a way that can't possibly be confused, especially since i mentioned i don't take sides. you're either suffering from some form of autism (and i'm not saying it as an insult, i mean it because you seem to be incapable of understanding) or you just enjoy starting shit, which is childish. or perhaps dismissing discussion or someone else's point makes it easier to deal with things you are not comfortable with. Jonouchi-Katsuya said: I mean it is what it is but, are you really someone who doesn't even like a Romiko Tsundere? I mean...as much as Kagome was annoying... at times, I still liked her. Here even doing the famous "idiot" speach she is saying it because Inuyasha almost died... (which yeah happened a lot. that was the plot. not spoiling shit) well, as i said before, i'm not taking any sides in this discussion, i only asked a question. as for personal preference, i love urusei yatsura as a whole. it's so endearing and charming. and lum is lovely, i won't lie. it helps that the comedy in UY is really good. and ranma 1/2 also seems to be very endearing and charming. inuyasha i only watched as a kid, but i was never really that much of a fan. Well that is just it then isn't it? Romiko is the trope starter. What people did with it was more the issue. Romiko's Tsudere trope was fine. It was perfect the way it was. As long as they do become sweeter overtime (or you at least find out why they are such a bitch-see Asuka's Character development and breakdown and how she doesn't get the guy), the relationship develops, that the relationship is endearing to the audience- it isn't so bad. Inuyasha is actually my favorite of the three- though mostly because it ends. XD I think people have forgotten the sweetness. And they have forgotten that it is about "earned trust" over "trust is a given". It is an earned kinda love. Well. mostly. haha. Sometimes you are madly in love for no reason with an idiot. Which is also frustrating. The theory of Tsundere is that they are bitches because they need love. If they are loved, they should be sweet. Asuka is a bitch because she doesn't feel loved. It results in mental breakdowns. Romiko's Tsundere's are good because they show love and caring. |
Energetic-NovaJun 9, 2017 7:28 PM
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| if it's comedy, i treated it as slapstick comedy, if not, then i watch them seriously... is this hard to understand? |
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Jonouchi-Katsuya said: I mean it is what it is but, are you really someone who doesn't even like a Romiko Tsundere? I mean...as much as Kagome was annoying... at times, I still liked her. Here even doing the famous "idiot" speach she is saying it because Inuyasha almost died... (which yeah happened a lot. that was the plot. not spoiling shit) I hate Rumiko Takahashi, and everything she's ever done. Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, and Ranma 1/2 are the 3 worst Anime I've ever seen. |
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Kuma said: if it's comedy, i treated it as slapstick comedy, if not, then i watch them seriously... is this hard to understand? Can it really be slapstick when a dude gets smacked over and over? Sounds pretty sad to me. |
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| My curiosity is, no matter the sex of the "bully"/"target", how do you feel about this? 1. I get why some people find tsunderes cute, I do love male tsunderes too. But I hate female tsunderes as they tend to get more violent. Beating people up just to hide your own embarassment? Sometimes I find it cute sometimes it's outright annoying. The only way for a tsundere pairing to be acceptable for me is, there is "redemption" process where the tsundere realize their mistake and proceed to accept their feeling and apologize/try to redeem themselves before moving to the romantic part of the relationship. 2. I much prefer yandere over tsundere anytime, because even though they are more violent, they are actually true to theirself, they "protect" their subject of obsession in their own twisted way. Plus they are simply way more fun to watch. have you seen any anime where consequences are suffered for ill intended actions? Nope Do you consider the industry or community to have any double standards about it? What would you change about this and how? And how do you feel the community handles this? Not sure, don't care. There is no denying tsundere is still one of the most popular character trope whether I like it or not. They will continue to appear in most anime, and that sucks. I just hope they will make them more like-able by putting more depth into the character and make a "redemption" process before moving to the romantic part. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Kuma said: if it's comedy, i treated it as slapstick comedy, if not, then i watch them seriously... is this hard to understand? Can it really be slapstick when a dude gets smacked over and over? Sounds pretty sad to me. so, it's different as long it's not dude? that's crazy... |
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Kuma said: TheBrainintheJar said: Can it really be slapstick when a dude gets smacked over and over? Sounds pretty sad to me. so, it's different as long it's not dude? that's crazy... It's not. Japanese society favors extremely domestic women, so such a thing can't actually occur with actual Japanese women. Men on the other hand... Testosterone. |
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MortalMelancholy said: It's not. Japanese society favors extremely domestic women, so such a thing can't actually occur with actual Japanese women. Men on the other hand... Testosterone. no, domestic violance is something loathed in society even in japan... the problem is japanese society is extreamly apathy... it change recently however.... http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2012/07/10/issues/japans-battered-men-suffer-abuse-in-silence/ however, the mayority still female http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/04/national/social-issues/learning-stand-domestic-violence-japan/ however my point is not that... it's depend on context, not the character... and violance treated as comedy (which what OP talking about) when the context also comedy... |
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Kuma said: MortalMelancholy said: It's not. Japanese society favors extremely domestic women, so such a thing can't actually occur with actual Japanese women. Men on the other hand... Testosterone. no, domestic violance is something loathed in society even in japan... the problem is japanese society is extreamly apathy... it change recently however.... http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2012/07/10/issues/japans-battered-men-suffer-abuse-in-silence/ however, the mayority still female http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/04/national/social-issues/learning-stand-domestic-violence-japan/ however my point is not that... it's depend on context, not the character... and violance treated as comedy (which what OP talking about) when the context also comedy... Well... I never would've thought that was a thing. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Kuma said: if it's comedy, i treated it as slapstick comedy, if not, then i watch them seriously... is this hard to understand? Can it really be slapstick when a dude gets smacked over and over? Sounds pretty sad to me. Three words: The Three Stooges. ... |
| @Seiya would you like to elaborate? i'm curious why you hate her so much. @TheBrainintheJar i'm with you on this one, toradora was an unpleasant experience. @Kuma (in response to your first reply) i think you're not approaching this the right way. don't take the discussion personally. different people have very different perceptions. as you can clearly tell here. @Shicchi what would say is a good redemption story for a tsundere? |
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Sjo said: @Kuma (in response to your first reply) i think you're not approaching this the right way. don't take the discussion personally. different people have very different perceptions. as you can clearly tell here. i am using my own perspective as example, and asking why people like you don't understand... i mean, slapstick comedy is already traditional form of comedy tool... it's not special to anime in anyways... the main problem with violance in anime is not violance it self... but abused trope surrounding it, which subjective and differ from person to person and has nothing to do with morality or double standard or whatever pretentious excuse try to imply... |
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Kuma said: Sjo said: @Kuma (in response to your first reply) i think you're not approaching this the right way. don't take the discussion personally. different people have very different perceptions. as you can clearly tell here. i am using my own perspective as example, and asking why people like you don't understand... i mean, slapstick comedy is already traditional form of comedy tool... it's not special to anime in anyways... the main problem with violance in anime is not violance it self... but abused trope surrounding it, which subjective and differ from person to person and has nothing to do with morality or double standard or whatever pretentious excuse try to imply... again your logic is heavily flawed, you're assuming you know what's going on in my head, when in fact i presented objective facts and then asked some questions. not to mention i already specified that i'm not taking any sides. the only person misunderstanding here is yourself. maybe not be so deffensive about things, no one's gonna steal your precious generic anime. good day. |
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Sjo said: Kuma said: i am using my own perspective as example, and asking why people like you don't understand... i mean, slapstick comedy is already traditional form of comedy tool... it's not special to anime in anyways... the main problem with violance in anime is not violance it self... but abused trope surrounding it, which subjective and differ from person to person and has nothing to do with morality or double standard or whatever pretentious excuse try to imply... again your logic is heavily flawed, you're assuming you know what's going on in my head, when in fact i presented objective facts and then asked some questions. not to mention i already specified that i'm not taking any sides. the only person misunderstanding here is yourself. maybe not be so deffensive about things, no one's gonna steal your precious generic anime. good day. i don't know what's going on on your head.. i can only comment what you write on here... also, you said "generic"... here lies the problem... genericness... not the violance it self... that's what i try to pointing out... i have no problem with violance in comedic tone it self... and it's normal in anyform of entertainment... |
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Sjo said: @Shicchi what would say is a good redemption story for a tsundere? Hmm anything is good as long as the tsundere apologize, and try her best to make it up to her victim/love interest. Well it won't go as smoothly ofc, they will visibly struggling to overcome their "tsun" but I'd love to see them try. For example: She made their love interest a bento. When giving it to him, instead of "Here you baka! Don't get me wrong! It's not like I purposely made a bento for you, I made the food to many and it's waste if I just throw it away!" shoving/throwing it to his face with a kick to his shin or something, she try to give it to him the normal way like "H-here, a bento for you!" while blushing then run. Or something. Lmao. As long as they say they are sorry, sufferred a great deal of guilt, and show a gradual change in their behavior (as in less in denial, less violent), I think I can grow to like them. Though after that, there has to be a process before they get to the romantic part (if the story intended them to be canon). A process where they are just friends and nothing more. This is their starting line. So something like: - Tsundere crushed hard on MC - Tsundere being "tsun", in denial of her feelings and to hide their embarrassment - Tsundere being hit by guilt and realize their mistake - Tsundere try hard to say sorry and make it up to MC - Tsundere overcome her "tsun" and able to have normal conversation/relationship with MC - Starting line - Proceed to whatever the story want them to (whether it turned out to be one-sided or canon or just friends) All of this without getting rid of her tsundereness. She still sometimes denied feelings/snap at MC out of reflex, but quick to realize their mistake and then apologize soon after. P.S. Forgot to add, it would be very very nice if we also get insight as to why they behave they way they are. An insight to their past/childhood |
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AltoRoark said: TheBrainintheJar said: Can it really be slapstick when a dude gets smacked over and over? Sounds pretty sad to me. Three words: The Three Stooges. ... I'll elaborate: Can it really be slapstick when one person is in an abusive relationship? Is this one smack, or this is a relationship rooted in violence? Sjo said: @Seiya would you like to elaborate? i'm curious why you hate her so much. @TheBrainintheJar i'm with you on this one, toradora was an unpleasant experience. @Kuma (in response to your first reply) i think you're not approaching this the right way. don't take the discussion personally. different people have very different perceptions. as you can clearly tell here. @Shicchi what would say is a good redemption story for a tsundere? I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I have stomach for dark humor. I worship Borderlands, but Borderlands also makes fun of how we're flippant in our violent satire. Dark humor is hard to do right, but Toradora doesn't even try to be dark. Kuma said: TheBrainintheJar said: Can it really be slapstick when a dude gets smacked over and over? Sounds pretty sad to me. so, it's different as long it's not dude? that's crazy... I'm asking where's the slapstick in a relationship rooted in violence. |
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