| Why the death of Kirigiri is the best in history. Outside of some sloppy directing in that last part. (I mean how does she end up on her back if she was falling forward?). I think this is shock value done right and it came out of nowhere. This also may be the most fucked up Forbidden Action. She also had the easiest since she just had to kill Makoto and she would be good. Anyway I love this death because it came out of nowhere and made sense art the same time. Since it ties back into the episode title, "You Are My Reason To Die." Also Munakata said he could end up having someone killed. I mean Kirigiri was spitting knowledge throughout the series. She also spoke highly of Makoto. They made it clear those two were tight. I mean some can say there were death flags over her but I moreso see it as this show having balls. So making that her forbidden action was so dirty. I feel we have forgotten about just how fucked up the forbidden action are. This was a harsh reminder. I loved it. I hope they make this death stick unlike the Aoi death which took many for a loop. Anyway I love this death and felt it was a ballsy move. I hope they don't give in. |
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godstriker8 said: my bad dude. That was a huge screw up on my end. I was too excited with the death.Massive spoilers in the title alone. You know it appears on the anime's main page, right? |
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| >Implying Kirigiri's death is not a fake. |
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Cishet said: I hope it's not.........like I am praying it wasn't like Aoi's death.>Implying Kirigiri's death is not a fake. |
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xeco said: There was a little more there to call it a red herring. What is the evidence for this? How she is not laying the way she fell? Her eye has blood coming from it too.Its obvious the death is fake , did you not learn anything after asahina"death"? |
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MasterHavik said: Cishet said: I hope it's not.........like I am praying it wasn't like Aoi's death.>Implying Kirigiri's death is not a fake. Well, Monaca the troll is gone, so I doubt it's fake now. lol xeco said: Its obvious the death is fake , did you not learn anything after asahina"death"? That was due to Monaca's silly self. |
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xeco said: Wait what? Where is this cure W you speak of?MasterHavik said: There was a little more there to call it a red herring. What is the evidence for this? How she is not laying the way she fell? Her eye has blood coming from it too. Did you not see the bottle of cure W laying in the floor? |
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nagitokomaeda_ said: I don't think its a fake death, she triggered her forbbiden action, but we are talking about the Ultimate Detective, there's no way she simply accepted it and gave up on life. Unlike the others, she knew exactly the time her forbbiden action would be triggered, so I think she tried to survive somehow (and its possible that cure W is involved). I think she is still alive but she will die if she doesn't get medical care soon. So I guess that the killing game in Mirai-hen will finish next episode, remember that we still have the conflict in Towa City and the "war" in Jabberwock Island. Towa City conflict is done already, but i do believe Kirigiri is in a time limit now. |
| Most of the viewers expect her death to be fake because of Hina's troll, that's why I'm sceptical. |
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| The shitty thing is its unlikley that theyd reveal kirigiri surviving next episode if she did, if shed dead they might be able to nip the speculation in the bud quickly My bet is she survived. But that leaves me conflicted on how id review the show cause its kind of a cop out but i also really want her to live especially since they gave shippers the biggest bone theyv gotton. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I don't like the theory about cureW at all. I'll be majorly pissed if some bullshit like cureW could save her. As we all know, there was fucking blood coming out of her eye, at least if she survives, let it be something more convincing. Everyone is just in denial. You can't call it good writing if you bring her back without some concrete things. Cure W will definitely not be good writing, why would Seiko, an ultimate pharmacist, not know about or even try cure w with everyone? Kirigiri is dead. If she's alive with bullshit then it's bad writing. |
Rukoudiora said: It will just be retcons. Sometimes in writing a story you gotta do things you know will be unpopular. This is why I chuckle when people get pissy at Undertale's genocide route.I don't like the theory about cureW at all. I'll be majorly pissed if some bullshit like cureW could save her. As we all know, there was fucking blood coming out of her eye, at least if she survives, let it be something more convincing. Everyone is just in denial. You can't call it good writing if you bring her back without some concrete things. Cure W will definitely not be good writing, why would Seiko, an ultimate pharmacist, not know about or even try cure w with everyone? Kirigiri is dead. If she's alive with bullshit then it's bad writing. |
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Rukoudiora said: I don't like the theory about cureW at all. I'll be majorly pissed if some bullshit like cureW could save her. As we all know, there was fucking blood coming out of her eye, at least if she survives, let it be something more convincing. Everyone is just in denial. You can't call it good writing if you bring her back without some concrete things. Cure W will definitely not be good writing, why would Seiko, an ultimate pharmacist, not know about or even try cure w with everyone? Kirigiri is dead. If she's alive with bullshit then it's bad writing. Its not really bad writing, its just ... cliche for the sake of plottwists. The logic with cureW is pretty simple. Seiko used it on Bandai, but it was after he was infected by the poison, so it did not work. Kirigiri however, has the bonus of knowing exactly when she was going to get infected, so she took it in advance. If this actually happened and it was not a troll (I mean she taking the cureW) I see 3 possible outcomes: 1. she is fine and wakes up at the beginning of the next episode - same as hina, and thats why I think this is highly unlikely. 2. she wakes up, but is not fine and the poison is slowly killing her. She hides that and probably with some heroic deed at the end she will die and the show will have kind of a bad ending. 3. she does not wake up, but she is not dead - cureW is doing its job and she will probbaly suffer some damage (which will explain the blood). The team will not check if she is actually alive, cause they are dumb stressed, and leave without her. At the final boss fight ... or whatever ... she will pop up, save the day, and have a 'hey im actually alive' plottwist, and the show will end on a happy note. Number 3 seems the most likely one to me, and it is a cliche ... but not really bad writing. |
Karrwin said: Rukoudiora said: I don't like the theory about cureW at all. I'll be majorly pissed if some bullshit like cureW could save her. As we all know, there was fucking blood coming out of her eye, at least if she survives, let it be something more convincing. Everyone is just in denial. You can't call it good writing if you bring her back without some concrete things. Cure W will definitely not be good writing, why would Seiko, an ultimate pharmacist, not know about or even try cure w with everyone? Kirigiri is dead. If she's alive with bullshit then it's bad writing. Its not really bad writing, its just ... cliche for the sake of plottwists. The logic with cureW is pretty simple. Seiko used it on Bandai, but it was after he was infected by the poison, so it did not work. Kirigiri however, has the bonus of knowing exactly when she was going to get infected, so she took it in advance. If this actually happened and it was not a troll (I mean she taking the cureW) I see 3 possible outcomes: 1. she is fine and wakes up at the beginning of the next episode - same as hina, and thats why I think this is highly unlikely. 2. she wakes up, but is not fine and the poison is slowly killing her. She hides that and probably with some heroic deed at the end she will die and the show will have kind of a bad ending. 3. she does not wake up, but she is not dead - cureW is doing its job and she will probbaly suffer some damage (which will explain the blood). The team will not check if she is actually alive, cause they are dumb stressed, and leave without her. At the final boss fight ... or whatever ... she will pop up, save the day, and have a 'hey im actually alive' plottwist, and the show will end on a happy note. Number 3 seems the most likely one to me, and it is a cliche ... but not really bad writing. I like number 2 and hope it's rather that. I mean I love Kirigiri but I don't want them to bullshit their way out of this one. but How could Kirigiri know it would work before the code if not even Seiko, the ultimate pharmacist knew. Why didn't everyone just drink Cure W at the beginning, Seiko LOVES helping people, she genuinely does, her not telling anyone at all would be either bad writing because it's not in character or it just doesn't work and that's why she never told anyone. If Kirigiri just wanted to try cure w for the sake of just trying then I guess, like you said, a cliche. And if you want to argue that Cure W should be taken some time before the NG code activates then sure, but the thing is it's been only 6 hours since the first death. I'm pretty sure almost all drugs stay in your body for more than 6 hours. I mean, there has been no indication of her taking Cure W either before she fell asleep in the room with everyone. If she didn't take it then, she should have taken it even before that. I guess I was wrong in saying it's bad writing, it's just, why waste time on Kirigiri telling Makoto not to lose hope and bla bla all that things just to retract that statement completely the next episode. That's what I meant when I said bad writing, but yeah it's probably just a cliche. |
Karrwin said: If 2 and 3 happen.......this show is going on my all time favs list for anime.Rukoudiora said: I don't like the theory about cureW at all. I'll be majorly pissed if some bullshit like cureW could save her. As we all know, there was fucking blood coming out of her eye, at least if she survives, let it be something more convincing. Everyone is just in denial. You can't call it good writing if you bring her back without some concrete things. Cure W will definitely not be good writing, why would Seiko, an ultimate pharmacist, not know about or even try cure w with everyone? Kirigiri is dead. If she's alive with bullshit then it's bad writing. Its not really bad writing, its just ... cliche for the sake of plottwists. The logic with cureW is pretty simple. Seiko used it on Bandai, but it was after he was infected by the poison, so it did not work. Kirigiri however, has the bonus of knowing exactly when she was going to get infected, so she took it in advance. If this actually happened and it was not a troll (I mean she taking the cureW) I see 3 possible outcomes: 1. she is fine and wakes up at the beginning of the next episode - same as hina, and thats why I think this is highly unlikely. 2. she wakes up, but is not fine and the poison is slowly killing her. She hides that and probably with some heroic deed at the end she will die and the show will have kind of a bad ending. 3. she does not wake up, but she is not dead - cureW is doing its job and she will probbaly suffer some damage (which will explain the blood). The team will not check if she is actually alive, cause they are dumb stressed, and leave without her. At the final boss fight ... or whatever ... she will pop up, save the day, and have a 'hey im actually alive' plottwist, and the show will end on a happy note. Number 3 seems the most likely one to me, and it is a cliche ... but not really bad writing. |
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| apparently megumi ogata more or less confirmed kirigiri and juzo is dead on her talkshow thing she does after every episode. I still think the cure W bullshit will get pulled but this is a bit more concrete than speculation based off a brief animation snippet that could have an entirely different meaning |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: apparently megumi ogata more or less confirmed kirigiri and juzo is dead on her talkshow thing she does after every episode. I still think the cure W bullshit will get pulled but this is a bit more concrete than speculation based off a brief animation snippet that could have an entirely different meaning Wouldn't it be despair-inducing for the characters in the next episode to notice Cure W, try making Kirigiri drink it, for it to not work, and her staying dead for ever? It would be like answering to the fans theory and vain hope one week later by saying "no, there is no hope for her. You will have to either stick to the hope she let in Naegi's hands or fall into despair now". |
Manecleis said: I had this exact thought and it'd be the most sadistic shit they could possibly pull, but it totally sounds like something kodaka would pull cause he likes fucking with people.JizzyHitler said: apparently megumi ogata more or less confirmed kirigiri and juzo is dead on her talkshow thing she does after every episode. I still think the cure W bullshit will get pulled but this is a bit more concrete than speculation based off a brief animation snippet that could have an entirely different meaning Wouldn't it be despair-inducing for the characters in the next episode to notice Cure W, try making Kirigiri drink it, for it to not work, and her staying dead for ever? It would be like answering to the fans theory and vain hope one week later by saying "no, there is no hope for her. You will have to either stick to the hope she let in Naegi's hands or fall into despair now". |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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| Honestly, Kirigiri is my favorite character of the Danganronpa franchise and I'm at peace with her dying this way if it's real. She had a "beautiful death" in my opinion, and I'm glad it was not over-dramatic like it could have been when killing off one of the main cast. Dying quietly, maybe after she let some last few decisive clues in her notebook for Naegi to save the situation, is very fitting of her character and if I were Kodaka, I wouldn't ruin it with some ridiculous plot twist. |
| i would prefer she stay dead but im still pretty sure shes still alive especially after the death counter is ommitting someone from last ep (I sure as shit dont see juzo surving getting impaled twice, bruned, then left bleeding out for hours) and i probably wont buy shes dead unless we see a flashback of her code activating |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I'll admit when im wrong, kirigiri is indeed dead as shit, the bottle was probably something kishi seiji added just to fuck with people who like to overanalyze things like i do. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Feels good being right:)I'll admit when im wrong, kirigiri is indeed dead as shit, the bottle was probably something kishi seiji added just to fuck with people who like to overanalyze things like i do. |
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| I think it was one of the best twists in the series, but the scene itself was disappointing, the directing and the music didn't fit, it felt as if she was just a minor character. My favorite death is definitely Komaeda's from Danganronpa 2. |
| Her being left out of the death montage in ep 12 is might suspicious. Well lets wait and see on thursday how it turns out. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Her being left out of the death montage in ep 12 is might suspicious. Well lets wait and see on thursday how it turns out. I still have doubts about Kirigiri's death as well but I think it'd be lame if it turns out that she's alive at this point. I mean, for her to suddenly show up is I don't know. If they bring her back just to be with Naegi then this is kind of ridiculous. I think at this point, it'd make more sense for Naegi and Asahina to end up together. I don't really care for romance in this series nor I'm hoping for a romantic resolution but I'm just saying that since Naegi and Asahina have been together the entire series and her being there for him makes me root for her. Well, I don't see it happening but this is just what I think. |
| Juzo > Kirigiri death fite me |
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| Probably after i watch ep 12 with subs, according to chisa's line seems kirigiri gonna be alive :)) |
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HatsumiShinogu said: That would be incredibly tasteless and insulting to alot of the fanbase so definitely not, having a character just go for a back up girl after his main love interest dies is a shitty thing to do to both characters and is a thing that can only work through ways of having significantly more time to develop said romantic subplot a bit after the events of this series. JizzyHitler said: Her being left out of the death montage in ep 12 is might suspicious. Well lets wait and see on thursday how it turns out. I still have doubts about Kirigiri's death as well but I think it'd be lame if it turns out that she's alive at this point. I mean, for her to suddenly show up is I don't know. If they bring her back just to be with Naegi then this is kind of ridiculous. I think at this point, it'd make more sense for Naegi and Asahina to end up together. I don't really care for romance in this series nor I'm hoping for a romantic resolution but I'm just saying that since Naegi and Asahina have been together the entire series and her being there for him makes me root for her. Well, I don't see it happening but this is just what I think. As for her coming back being cheap, im conflicted about that cause on 1 hand they kind of beat our heads in with foreshadowing if those theories wound up being true about cure W as well as the death montage and so forth, on the other hand i do generally dislike fake out deaths, then on another point against her staying dead she did kind of get a shit way to go out despite being the deutarogonist. I think id much rather her be alive since this anime was blatantly made just to be fanservice and having this 1 plotpoint give a more negative/sad context to the first game's ending just feels cheap, like im not saying that sequels cant off characters but when a story is standalone enough that there really is 0 reason for the characters to return cause their story is pretty much done, ie the DR1 cast, it feels kind of shitty to pull something like this. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Would be funny if Aoi died from the bullet wound and Kirigiri survived the poison. |
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| She can't come back until Juzo comes back. |
JizzyHitler said: HatsumiShinogu said: That would be incredibly tasteless and insulting to alot of the fanbase so definitely not, having a character just go for a back up girl after his main love interest dies is a shitty thing to do to both characters and is a thing that can only work through ways of having significantly more time to develop said romantic subplot a bit after the events of this series. I still have doubts about Kirigiri's death as well but I think it'd be lame if it turns out that she's alive at this point. I mean, for her to suddenly show up is I don't know. If they bring her back just to be with Naegi then this is kind of ridiculous. I think at this point, it'd make more sense for Naegi and Asahina to end up together. I don't really care for romance in this series nor I'm hoping for a romantic resolution but I'm just saying that since Naegi and Asahina have been together the entire series and her being there for him makes me root for her. Well, I don't see it happening but this is just what I think. As for her coming back being cheap, im conflicted about that cause on 1 hand they kind of beat our heads in with foreshadowing if those theories wound up being true about cure W as well as the death montage and so forth, on the other hand i do generally dislike fake out deaths, then on another point against her staying dead she did kind of get a shit way to go out despite being the deutarogonist. I think id much rather her be alive since this anime was blatantly made just to be fanservice and having this 1 plotpoint give a more negative/sad context to the first game's ending just feels cheap, like im not saying that sequels cant off characters but when a story is standalone enough that there really is 0 reason for the characters to return cause their story is pretty much done, ie the DR1 cast, it feels kind of shitty to pull something like this. I didn't say that it should happen right away. If Kirigiri is truly dead, then why shouldn't Naegi move on and find someone else? I don't think Naegi would think of romance and love at this point but I was talking about the future. Asahina would make a good partner for him, I'd say. I don't think Naegi ending up with Asahina would be an insult to the fanbase unless they were hardcore Kirigiri fans. Even if Kirigiri was his main love interest, that doesn't mean that he can't fall in love with someone else eventually. Honestly, Kirigiri never interested me and I sometimes wonder what's all the fuss about her. Well, no matter how they're planning to do it, I'd still find Kirigiri coming back to life kind of lame. Her supposed death left an impact on Naegi and it drove him to stick to his beliefs and to never give up. Her suddenly coming back wouldn't have that impact at this point. |
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