Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| Everywhere I read people are hating on Subaru but I like him, root for him and can definitely empathize with him. It's weird seeing people apparently unable to because to me he seems very human. |
| Yes yes he's a 'human' character or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that his mental retardation is frustrating as hell. |
| He's more human then most protagonists I've seen. |
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| I have a love/hate relationship with him. In one hand he acts so stupidly I normally would want to punch him in the face. On the other hand, he is so entertaining and unintentionally hillarious I can't dislike the guy. |
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Hongu said: Yes yes he's a 'human' character or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that his mental retardation is frustrating as hell. what about him is retarded? not agreeing/disagreeing with u, just curious about what u think lol |
| May Betelgeuse correct your impressions of Subaru. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| i'm curious about why ppl see him as so dumb lol like what are some specific actions of his that made ppl think he is the dumbest guy ever? |
| Count me as a fan. I love the guy. |
| Maybe it's the fact that he's more "human" is the reason I don't like him. I don't feel like I can even sympathize with him because despite these situations happening to him, he doesn't seem to be learning from them at all. I find myself wanting to yell at my screen whenever Subaru does something insanely rash and plays into other people's hands -- it's okay to do that in a series but not if it's a recurring trait; it gets annoying and I feel like he's not developing much as a character. It's really quite frustrating. I can't seem to root for a character who isn't displaying very much character development, and that shows characteristics of stupidity that aren't improving. |
UMLAug 1, 2016 12:28 AM
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 WE MUST PROTECT THIS SMILE! |
| It can be frustrating when he doesn't develop and move on, but I'm blaming this on people who behind the making of this anime. They keep reestablishing about Subaru is having a hard time and can't reveal his problems due to his curse over and over again, and that annoys a lot of people. But despite this, I like him. It's not like he's that guy from School Days, I think he means well. Just his sanity is being driven over by the curse. |
ZackharioAug 1, 2016 12:54 AM
| I like him a lot more after the latest episode. He's definitely a very human character. |
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Freestylex said: Everywhere I read people are hating on Subaru but I like him, root for him and can definitely empathize with him. It's weird seeing people apparently unable to because to me he seems very human. Did you not watch this last episode? Subaru is autistic as fuck for rejecting Rem. I use to like him but now I hate him. |
| He's the lowest of low. I like him. He's relatable. |
Haytin said: Did you not watch this last episode? Subaru is autistic as fuck for rejecting Rem. I use to like him but now I hate him. You do realise Subaru has feelings for Emilia, right? It would be "autistic" if he does accept Rem's feelings. After all that effort and dying over and over for Emilia, the show couldn't be anymore clear about Subaru's feelings. |
Freestylex said: Everywhere I read people are hating on Subaru but I like him, root for him and can definitely empathize with him. It's weird seeing people apparently unable to because to me he seems very human. Seriously, I find a lot of people are acting the same cringe worthy way he was acting in episode 13 when he broke down and said he thought Emilia should like him after all he did for her. They're going that he should like Rem after all she did for him... :-/. At least he had the reason of a mental breakdown. These people are just being hypocritical. Its hard to see a lot of the haters comments just because of the cringe lol. And they say they wouldn't act like him XD. People are basically proving that Subaru was acting as human as anyone else with all their hating lol. And unfortunately it appears to be a majority. I love Rem x Subaru because I think they would go well together but you shouldn't fricken hate on the guy for the same thing you were hating on him for a few episodes ago. If anything it took a lot of guts being honest with Rem and I think they still have a chance in the future too. Of love from both sides. Depending on how things progress. Everything he says in this episode are things most people in their entire lives do not realise about themselves and my respect for him went up tenfold. |
| I love him too, Sometimes he mistreat people but that's understandable because of the inhuman things he experienced through. |
| He's a very realistic character to me, despite what people say. For Isekai stories I'm usually used the protagonist either being a Gary Stu with no personality or just a guy who exists for Self Insert. So Subaru was a refreshing change. Of course, there will people who go "why dont u just abuse return by death lol" and it's REALLY aggravating since when was death easy? Then people who try to logic the way out of it saying "Once human brain sees a lot of it you'll become desensitized." Which is true, but they apply that logic to every action he takes. They act like Subaru should just be "oh" and react dully to seeing Rem dying for the first time. Everytime I see Subaru react in horror it's usually via a new situation. You can tell he's getting used to dying, but he doesn't actually like the idea of it. Also, he doesn't wake up screaming anymore like he did when he first returned by death. He's slowly getting more numb to it, but I guess some people expect him to be more null to it like Okabe from Steins;Gate. Which again, I completely understand, but my argument would be that not everyone is the same nor reacts in the same way. And a little personal note. I really enjoy Subaru a lot because usually characters like him are the villians. They're the ones with the flaws who slowly self destruct themselves over time. I can relate to people like that especially but usually in fiction, characters like that also end up having a BAD END. For me, who looks for representation of myself and my ideals/morals in fiction because I can't find any in real life, that kinda sucked. Like it's awesome! Seeing a character with a releate-able struggle and actual flaws that they may or may not created dragging them down to hell. But all they do is get a BAD END and usually the protagonist never has flaws or has flaws that just make them look good in the end. What I'm excited about with Subaru here is that it's going to do an actual "Zero to Hero" story. It's like they're taking a flawed villain and giving him an actual chance to redeem himself unlike other shows where the villain is too late to reform or just refuses. What ticks me off though is that people who see his character and call it "bad writing". I can certainly see why they would say that. Arc 2 Subaru is very different from Arc 3 Subaru. However, for me, someone who has seen the nasty sides of people all my life, I found it very believe-able that this was our same Subaru just in a different situation. I've made so many friends who were like Subaru, all energetic and selfless and all that. However, once they got in a specific situation, some of their flaws came out and some even took a complete 360 in their personality. That's why I don't believe that the writing from Arc 2 to Arc 3 didn't really digress and that Subaru didn't change. I would have if Subaru was put in an extremely similar situation to Arc 2 afterwards and then all of sudden acted so stupid. It would contradict what we saw before. All in all, Subaru is a very interesting character and I'm really curious to see where we go from here. I hope other people will give him a break about the Rem thing. Speaking about the confession. I'd like to note this. You notice how in EP 13 Subaru yelled at Emilia like she owed him something? He died for her so many times. He did so much stuff for her and wanted a reward in a return. Her Love. Her Affection. Anything. And with that the viewers called Subaru a "nice guy" and a dumbass. I'd say they had a good reason. That's not Subaru at his core, but what he did say was kinda nice guy ish. Fast forward to Episode 18. Now the fans are condemning Subaru for giving Rem...an honest answer to her confession? Now I see why some of the critics and actual haters of this show might be turned off more from Re:Zero, some of the fans are...bleh. Anyways, they're saying Subaru doesn't deserve her, that he should love her since she died for him so many times, since she did all this for him. So now..think about that. Ironically, some of the more rage-minded people who are going "FUCK SUBARU" right now are acting just like him from Episode 13. Just because you confess to someone doesn't mean you're entitled to their love. It doesn't matter how much you have done for them, if they don't feel the same way then that's it. I think people are forgetting that other people have feelings and they can't help the way they do. Subaru's has a good reason for loving Emilia and if anyone disagrees I would love to talk about why I think he does. Rem confessed and Subaru gave her an /honest/ answer instead of just shoving the issue under the rug or flat out lying to her. Yes, it was a bit cruel of asking for her help after he rejected her, but it was also cruel of her to go into pain-staking detail about how great their life could have been AFTER Rem rejected Subaru. They both were a little insensitive. That's why they laughed about it since the situation was so weird! Yet, some of the fans don't get that. They're just so mad about their shipping wars and tunnel vision they can't see it. Anyways tldr; subaru is a good character and can in fact be likable |
YuzurynAug 1, 2016 4:58 AM
sadcyborg said: Hongu said: Yes yes he's a 'human' character or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that his mental retardation is frustrating as hell. what about him is retarded? not agreeing/disagreeing with u, just curious about what u think lol Him havinh to die three times to understand what the fuck and his ablity was pretty retarded |
Protect this smile would be better. |
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| I like Subaru as a character because he is incredibly flawed. As pointed out above. |
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| I LOOOOOOOOVE Subaru, it annoys me when I see people hate on him. He is definitely flawed but thats what makes him perfect imo |
gabrielrroiz said: sadcyborg said: what about him is retarded? not agreeing/disagreeing with u, just curious about what u think lol Him havinh to die three times to understand what the fuck and his ablity was pretty retarded Wow lmao I see it completely differently. Think I'll map out what I saw. The first time he died, at night, he "woke up" during the day at the vendor. his wounds were gone so he assumed his "memories" must have been a dream. which is exactly what we would all assume. In no way can we expect him to "figure it out" after the First time. Otherwise, you are expecting way too much lol The second time he died, he "woke up" in the same situation. and to make matters worse, he calls out to the girl he met before, who strangely does not know him at all and is outraged by the name he calls her. confusing him, since she was the one who told him that name. Why doesn't she remember? In no way can we expect him to figure that out yet. and i think that was his first encounter with her since dying together the first time. Repeated events. Speculation. <- Him speculating after dying a second time is dumb? :/ I rly don't see it that way. all of this makes complete sense to me. he is not oblivious to what is happening. he is simply "not sure" of what is happening. there has been so much time between the deaths, it could be written off as a dream. deja vu. premonition. Lastly, his third death was ALMOST INSTANTLY after reviving from the second death. in the alleyway. being stabbed so sudden. therefore, there was extremely little time between death 2 and 3, yet he is suddenly transferred right back to the vendor. in other words, can't be a dream, right? it was still daytime. as soon as he revives, he sits down and notices that his speculation can now be considered fact. he says it to himself. "he is going back in time thru his own death". So, with this mapped out, his understanding of the situation after dying the third time, is extremely Reasonable lol. i rly didn't expect people to think he was dumb because of this. makes total sense to me. |
Freestylex said: Everywhere I read people are hating on Subaru but I like him, root for him and can definitely empathize with him. It's weird seeing people apparently unable to because to me he seems very human. Its understandable if you relate to him for being a normal human, I don't exactly hate him either, but its just really awkward for me whenever he starts taking actions while he clearly has no idea of whats going on and on that note, why the hell isn't he trying to find out why he has been summoned to this weird world, as a normal human, you'd think that kind of thing would get him worked up rather than devoting his entire life to the first pretty girl he meets. I really love the show but i wish he atleast asked himself that question once. |
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| subaru is so human and relateable that's why you'd love him an otaku living his life in his house doing nothing would'nt transform into the best knight we want no kirito |
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When Subaru starrted to genuinely laugh, I almost started crying ;__; Dude deserves a happy ending |
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Hongu said: Yes yes he's a 'human' character or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that his mental retardation is frustrating as hell. So you don't like Subaru? I mean that's fine, but I see you have Kaiji in your favorites. (Great anime and I personally love the dude) but alot of the choices that Kaiji makes can be considered retarded and dumb. |
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| >Tfw people had interest on harem, ecchi show and they can't understand the story :^) OT Subaru is very human and brought to different world... |
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| I don't mind if people hate Subaru but if they hate him because he choose Emilia, I think they are immature. |
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| Subaru has basically fixed the issues this episode (18) that people hated him for before this. Now I think the main reason people are hating on him is because of him choosing Emilia over Rem. I don't think that warrants any rational hate though. Episode 13: > You should love me after all I've done for you! - Subaru to Emilia Majority reaction: "Wtf Subaru is retarded." Episode 18: > "I love Emilia." - Subaru to Rem Majority reaction: "You should love Rem after all she's done for you!” And no, the fact Emilia didn’t remember him doing so much in her case is not a good argument. Even if she did remember and Subaru said that to her, almost all of you would still call him retarded for saying that she was obligated to love him. It’s fine to have a preference and be upset about who he chose but to say that he’s stupid for not choosing Rem because of what she has done is just being ignorant and hypocritical. |
appu1232 said: Subaru has basically fixed the issues this episode (18) that people hated him for before this. Now I think the main reason people are hating on him is because of him choosing Emilia over Rem. I don't think that warrants any rational hate though. Episode 13: > You should love me after all I've done for you! - Subaru to Emilia Majority reaction: "Wtf Subaru is retarded." Episode 18: > "I love Emilia." - Subaru to Rem Majority reaction: "You should love Rem after all she's done for you!” And no, the fact Emilia didn’t remember him doing so much in her case is not a good argument. Even if she did remember and Subaru said that to her, almost all of you would still call him retarded for saying that she was obligated to love him. It’s fine to have a preference and be upset about who he chose but to say that he’s stupid for not choosing Rem because of what she has done is just being ignorant and hypocritical. episode 21 : subaru confess to rem after thinking she is dying and get troll so hard by her hell give my man subaru a harem already |
| @appu1232 i think ppl misunderstand that entire situation. aside from the psychological impact everything he went thru had caused up to that very moment, what he said was not any different than doing a favor for your sibling, then getting in a sudden argument and saying "You should be thankful i'm even helping you!". it's said out of frustration and anger. not bc you truly think they should bow down or feel forever indebted. he did not say that to emilia bc he actually believed she should love him after all he's done lol he was sad and scared and angry and tired. he has died time and time again, and witnessed the ppl he loves die again and again.. when you feel so many emotions at once, you are going to SNAP. and that's exactly what he did. ppl need to dive a little harder into a character's position. We, as humans, have ALL said things we truly do not mean in the heat of the moment. <-- People who deny that, I believe, are lying. and, most people do not want to be judged entirely bc of something they said out of frustration. Pretty crazy to see how differently ppl interpret a character's actions or words also, rem has done a lot for subaru. but most of that was possible bc of the constant repeat caused by subaru's death. he even committed suicide when she was found in her bed, dead. they have all done things for each other. |
sadcyborg said: @appu1232 i think ppl misunderstand that entire situation. aside from the psychological impact everything he went thru had caused up to that very moment, what he said was not any different than doing a favor for your sibling, then getting in a sudden argument and saying "You should be thankful i'm even helping you!". it's said out of frustration and anger. not bc you truly think they should bow down or feel forever indebted. he did not say that to emilia bc he actually believed she should love him after all he's done lol he was sad and scared and angry and tired. he has died time and time again, and witnessed the ppl he loves die again and again.. when you feel so many emotions at once, you are going to SNAP. and that's exactly what he did. ppl need to dive a little harder into a character's position. We, as humans, have ALL said things we truly do not mean in the heat of the moment. <-- People who deny that, I believe, are lying. and, most people do not want to be judged entirely bc of something they said out of frustration. Pretty crazy to see how differently ppl interpret a character's actions or words also, rem has done a lot for subaru. but most of that was possible bc of the constant repeat caused by subaru's death. he even committed suicide when she was found in her bed, dead. they have all done things for each other. Yea, I agree with the fact that it wasn't so much him feeling entitled but rather him being desperate but I was just quoting the general opinion people had of him at that point, even if they were interpreting it wrong. Hell, it's not too wrong to call him stupid even if you did understand what was going on but that's okay because I think that was the purpose. You were supposed to not like Subaru there because he was at his lowest point. I think it will be more rewarding in the long run because of that since he was at his lowest point, he has even more room to climb up to the top and change people's minds. |
appu1232Aug 1, 2016 8:45 AM
| yea i agree @appu1232 i kinda hope that ppl who hate him now, eventually do see him in a different light o: his character seems to be so much more enjoyable when we try to break his actions down and understand why he says and does the things he has. it's like we know what the writers want us to initially think but we can't be fooled lol i've RLY enjoyed this anime |
| I don't hate him. He just drives me insane like a little brother would. I gained some respect for him in the last episode though, since he finally realized stuff. |
| I think he's a character you love to hate. He's bad in a good way. Kind of like Makoto from School Days to some extent It's nice to see someone so humanly flawed rather than a blatant self-insert protag or a gary stu for once |
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| For anyone who hates Subaru, Rem hates you more. |
| I like Subaru because hes a realistic character he has his flaws and that's what i like (although he did reject rem which is quite odd) doesnt mean you should hate him because your ship didnt set sail and if you want characters who have no flaws go watch some cheap mecha harem shiz a lot of them always go for some MC who has no imperfections. |
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| One of the best writen characters I've seen in a while. He has a lot of flaws and he's cringe worthy sometimes, but strangely that only makes me like him even more. Most of the hate comes from the people that can't really think or people that are just so into the typical main characters that Subaru turns somewhat discomfortable to watch, and I kinda understand that, but for me he's amazing. Funny thing is the reasons that makes some people hate him are the same that make other people love him xD |
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