DarthBuzzKill said: So it's pretty clear that most of us westerners hate CGI. I wonder how Japan feels about this. Because you see these studios continue to do CGI animation when the verdict is people hate it, so why would they bother doing it? Wouldn't it also be more time-consuming and more expensive to do CGI animation as opposed to 2D? The Berserk CGI is pretty bad to be honest, I was okay with Ajin a couple of seasons back but would have proffered 2D. Doesn't really matter if people like it, only if people buy it. And judging by 3D shows of the past few years, they have all sold pretty well. I can't remember any that particularly bombed. So there is a market, and that's all that matters. |
| Western people don't hate CGI, they only hate bad CGI! And CGI in anime is almost always bad (maybe except for Advent Children)... |
ex_necross said: DarthBuzzKill said: So it's pretty clear that most of us westerners hate CGI. I wonder how Japan feels about this. Because you see these studios continue to do CGI animation when the verdict is people hate it, so why would they bother doing it? Wouldn't it also be more time-consuming and more expensive to do CGI animation as opposed to 2D? The Berserk CGI is pretty bad to be honest, I was okay with Ajin a couple of seasons back but would have proffered 2D. Doesn't really matter if people like it, only if people buy it. And judging by 3D shows of the past few years, they have all sold pretty well. I can't remember any that particularly bombed. So there is a market, and that's all that matters. Yeah the same principle applies to non cgi animes.... why put a large budget in an anime If they know people are gonna buy it and watch it regardless? One exampple would be the Onepiece anime. The animation/art is complete SHIT, but Toei doesn't care cuz they know people will still watch it and buy it. Its sad but that's the reality. Anime studios care more about $$ than art. |
JonasTheJay said: Western people don't hate CGI, they only hate bad CGI! And CGI in anime is almost always bad (maybe except for Advent Children)... That's the thing isn't it, when it comes to series with CGI it's always done badly to me but movies like Advent Children or Captain Harlock looked pretty good and was smooth also with the framerate but most of the series I guess just don't have the budget for it? really don't know but it does make it look choppy etc |
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| The thing is , there's good CGI, but like most things, it costs money Most of the CGI in anime is used because it's cheaper than traditional animation as a means to deliver large amounts of relatively unimportant detail that would not be worthwhile otherwise. |
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| 3DCG is cheaper to use than traditional animation. There's some great stuff out there, for example the CG ufotable uses for its Fate adaptations, but that's expensive and goes against the idea many studios have of using CG for cost-cutting in the first place. |
ex_necross said: DarthBuzzKill said: So it's pretty clear that most of us westerners hate CGI. I wonder how Japan feels about this. Because you see these studios continue to do CGI animation when the verdict is people hate it, so why would they bother doing it? Wouldn't it also be more time-consuming and more expensive to do CGI animation as opposed to 2D? The Berserk CGI is pretty bad to be honest, I was okay with Ajin a couple of seasons back but would have proffered 2D. Doesn't really matter if people like it, only if people buy it. And judging by 3D shows of the past few years, they have all sold pretty well. I can't remember any that particularly bombed. So there is a market, and that's all that matters. I thought Ajin sold like shit. I liked it but I'm surprised it's getting a second season. Must be cheap to make the stuff. |
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| I really think people are overreacting to the whole CG thing, its not that bad. |
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| I saw few scenes from episode 1 and the visual does not look bad at all. It does not prevent me from enjoying the anime |
| I really think people are overreacting with the CGI thing..I would've preferred traditional but it's not THAT bad..though the action is extremely slow and if they went the CGI route it would've probably been better to mix it up with traditional and not go full blown CGI till they've had more practice. If people are going to compare it to the likes of disney and square enix cgi ofcourse it's "bad" but compared to other cgi anime it's going in the right direction imo..probably wouldn't be so much of a big deal if berserk wasn't their test subject given its popularity. The "shading" that looks like pencil marks made things easier on the eyes and didn't make it look overly smooth..actually only Guts looked a bit off to me the others were fine as well as the backgrounds. |
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toomi said: The "shading" that looks like pencil marks made things easier on the eyes and didn't make it look overly smooth..actually only Guts looked a bit off to me the others were fine as well as the backgrounds. Funny how subjective these things are...I really dislike the pencil cell shading thing and would have prefered it smooth without it. |
lancer35 said: /toomi said: The "shading" that looks like pencil marks made things easier on the eyes and didn't make it look overly smooth..actually only Guts looked a bit off to me the others were fine as well as the backgrounds. Funny how subjective these things are...I really dislike the pencil cell sha/ding thing and would have prefered it smooth without it. Hm comes down to preference really I guess since the skin didn't have texture or anything I liked what they did with the pencil thing and the movements were less clunky than Ajin from what I remember. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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| I'm used to full 3D CGI anime because of shows like Knights of Sidonia and Ronja. It's something I was against at first, but it's becoming more and more prevalent. The CGI in Berserk didn't bother me as much because of that, but man, it's still VERY low-budget. |
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| The CG isn't really THAT bad but is weird, cause of those exagerated moves and fps having so many up and downs 2d animation fails so many times and yeah, some people complain about 2d but in CG the animation, is just weird and people need to get used to CG IMO |
DarthBuzzKill said: So it's pretty clear that most of us westerners hate CGI. CGI is not the problem. The problems are:
It's still better than Expelled from Paradise. The motions were so unnatural I got sick watching that. |
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| Bad CGI(like this one) DarthBuzzKill said: So it's pretty clear that most of us westerners hate CGI. I wonder how Japan feels about this. Because you see these studios continue to do CGI animation when the verdict is people hate it, so why would they bother doing it? Wouldn't it also be more time-consuming and more expensive to do CGI animation as opposed to 2D? The Berserk CGI is pretty bad to be honest, I was okay with Ajin a couple of seasons back but would have proffered 2D. Bad or decent CGI(like this one) costs less than 2D animation and it's less time consuming, that's why they use it. Good CGI is expensive and rare, cause it only now become a fad consequence of animators being overburden by work and bad wages. Remember the news, of animators choosing suicide? |
ariamachi said: People are just riding the hate train bandwagon. hahaI really think people are overreacting to the whole CG thing, its not that bad. |
zyke said: ariamachi said: Considering that Fate/Zero 2nd Season is in your favorite list, i cant take your comment seriously. The cgi looked like crap.I really think people are overreacting to the whole CG thing, its not that bad. Consider that the two were made by completely different studios and are completely different. Even thier use of CG is different so comparing them is no use. I never said I liked the CG in berserk, I just think people are overreacting, cuz they cant accept change and cant see past the CG. I like that berserk is trying something new, even though its not my ideal choice. |
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| The Berserk movies had CGI and they were great. The CGI in the current tv series is just.. The most budget ass CGI on the planet. |
| altho i'm ok with CG anime, i dislike this new cg but anyway, there are many hardcore weeaboos that just spit on CGI, good or not, like "hurr durr cgi killed anime!" |
DarthBuzzKill said: So it's pretty clear that most of us westerners hate CGI. I wonder how Japan feels about this. Because you see these studios continue to do CGI animation when the verdict is people hate it, so why would they bother doing it? Wouldn't it also be more time-consuming and more expensive to do CGI animation as opposed to 2D? The Berserk CGI is pretty bad to be honest, I was okay with Ajin a couple of seasons back but would have proffered 2D. I can't imagine this Berserk anime being popular in Japan. The CGI and hand drawn stuff looks like complete dog shit. If Japanese people think this is good they're all fucking idiots >:^( |
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