Kill la Kill Episode 17 Discussion

Feb 8, 2014 12:22 PM

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JUST WOW, didn't expect this one, can't really wait for next one! :D

Feb 8, 2014 12:38 PM

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ollythirteen said:
Do you people even know what a twist is?

A twist is something you didn't see coming. Like at all.

It happens and then you look back at the events and find that the clues were there, just well hidden..

Everyone and their mother was speculating about Satsuki betraying Ragyo right from episode 13. The show itself implied it heavily in episode 16 when Satsuki made that face after her mother said she'd be coming to Hounouji Gakuen.

Wow, that's weird, 'cuz, you know, I could have sworn that the last thing you had to say on that subject in the previous episode's thread was how Satsuki's plan was "still irritatingly shrouded in mystery". Odd, right?

So how can what Satsuki did be considered a twist?

Also it's kinda eerie and a little sad that literally every new post about this episode just says the exact same thing older posts said:

"Wow, I expected Satsuki to betray her mum but not like this!"

Well, yeah. It's all in the execution. Many people expected the rebellion, but not how suddenly and openly it was executed, or that Satsuki wanted to annihilate Life Fibers themselves.

"Awesome and bloody! Woah!"

I imagine they're thinking "if that's just Satsuki's declaration of war, what will the actual war be like!?" The fact that Ragyou even managed to live through that makes it all the more astonishing. Before you something like "it would have been more astonishing if she had actually died," she would merely have died as another egotistical dictator back-stabbed by one of her greatest generals. This way, she may die later as a near-invincible demigod, and we may be given the chance to better understand her motivations and see things from her perspective. Not to mention, we are faced with many questions of what's next: If stabbing and crucifying Ragyou won't kill her, what will? What kind of powers does she have? How will Hououmaru assist her? Will the Elite 4 and co. succeed in at least driving back Nui? Who and what exactly is Nui? What's the extent of her power? Will Nudist Beach fight alongside Satsuki, or just let the Kiryuuins exhaust each other? What will Ryuuko do? What importance is there to Mataro being the only one not devoured by clothing? How will Mako be drawn into all this?

I don't know which is worse, the reaching ("Ragyo is Nobunaga and Satsuki is Mitsuhide", "Ragyo looked like Harlequin" "Evangelion!" "Chronos!" "Cutie Honey!") or the shallow replies...

The Nobunaga/Mitsuhide reference isn't all that reaching, given the names of the Elite 4 and the academy, as well as the show's many other references to Japanese culture.

I doubt they were referring to the Joker's sidekick, if that's what you were getting at - or, if they were, they were merely drawing a comparison they didn't really think was intentional - as "harlequin" is an actual word that may be defined as a clown or buffoon.

Again, I have my doubts about whether whoever was making the comparison to Evangelion actually believed it was intentional so much as just noticed some similarities between Life Fibers and Angels/Evangelions, as well as the 'insanity' of each show.

"Chronos"? I've seen noted similarities to Chrono Trigger, but nothing about the Greek titan lord of time or anything else by that name.

Frankly haven't watched Cutie Honey, but I've seen lots of people make that connection, Imaishi apparently directed the first episode of Re: Cutie Honey, and the series makes plenty of other references, so it's probably not too reaching.

Feb 8, 2014 12:40 PM

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Very crazy.
Satsuki go, go.

Feb 8, 2014 12:59 PM

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COVERS= Illuminati confirmed

Feb 8, 2014 1:33 PM

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Epic episode.
Satsuki is so badass.

Feb 8, 2014 1:36 PM

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Someone better pick up that phone... 'Cause I freaking called it since like episode 3!

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Feb 8, 2014 2:14 PM

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I LOVE THIS SHOW GUYS. AND I FUCKING LOVE SATSUKI EVEN MORE.

Feb 8, 2014 2:19 PM

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Tengoku_no_hakai said:
Someone better pick up that phone... 'Cause I freaking called it since like episode 3!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

Feb 8, 2014 3:00 PM

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@ Kokopeli:

That calm reply to my enraged post. The way each point of said post is separated, examined and then replied to, again calmly.

Ma-MASAKA - "Is this the power of the level-headed Kill la Kill fan?!"

Yahari I'm no match for you still. You're like Nui: You just aim for the nexus thread, calmly and effortlessly.

Here's my feeble attempt at a comeback, though:

Satsuki has like two plans then? We still don't know what she wants with Ryuuko (or why she's repeatedly saved her).

I talk a big talk. But it seems the projector powering my blue aura and dragon/tiger background got turned off somehow.

Please don't hurt me.

Feb 8, 2014 3:28 PM

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Ragyo deserved to get stabbed rocking that Whoville-fab dress in public

Feb 8, 2014 3:43 PM

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Tengoku_no_hakai said:
Someone better pick up that phone... 'Cause I freaking called it since like episode 3!

I actually remember you calling it.

Feb 8, 2014 4:12 PM

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I saw the twist coming but no so early on, or so violently. This show is really shaping up, I actually look forward to it every week now!

Feb 8, 2014 4:12 PM

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Fuck. I knew Satsuki was going to rebel against her mother eventually, but I didn't expect it to be like this. Damn, that was a good episode.

Feb 8, 2014 4:40 PM

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What an amazing back stab!
The execution of that 'twist' everyone predicted would happen was really what made it so powerful; that particular scene was animated so well (especially when you compare it with KlK's usual standards in terms of quality) that it totally took me by surprise. Didn't expect that much gruesomeness either, I admit.

OTT betrayal of the year.

PS: I'm usually fine with Mako, but as some others pointed out, she's really been more miss than hit these last episodes. All the pointless interruptions transpired forced comedy. Hope she gets better before the end of the show.

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Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Feb 8, 2014 5:24 PM

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Wow that was one awesome betrayal. Satsuki is awsome.

Feb 8, 2014 6:04 PM

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The little brother had a body-paint suit! That certainly did turn out to be a winning move.

After reading episode threads... as we get "up there" in episodes, it seems others have noticed the same thing I did... that KLK is losing steam. It really should have only been 12 episodes... At this point it seems to be just dragging on without anything comparatively amazing happening.

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Feb 8, 2014 6:17 PM

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@ollythirteen
Hah, okay. Although I constantly disagree with you, I can often see where you're coming from. Higurashi's one of my favorite anime, too, and Claymore's great. Speaking of which, I need to get going on my lists.

Most likely, Satsuki wanted Ryuuko to join her against Ragyou, considering she left those NB cameras around so that Aikuro, Tsumugu and Ryuuko would show up. Inumuta said "this will fill in the final piece of the puzzle".

Digressing from that, upon watching the episode again and seeing those spools of thread, it looks like they are indeed based on the entire rainbow, plus white. The only two colors she's not holding in the preview are red and white, which probably correspond to Ryuuko and herself. I think orange corresponds to Ira; yellow, Nui; green, Uzu; blue, Houka; indigo, Satsuki; and violet, Nonon. I wonder why she'd need to control Nui - another betrayal?

Feb 8, 2014 7:28 PM

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ollythirteen said:
I mean I'm not sure why anyone would invest 17 episodes into a show THEY DON'T TAKE SERIOUSLY unless it had something that compensated for its major weakness in this case the said weakness being an inability to be taken seriously by those watching. My reason is its art style. What's your reason? The action? Couldn't be. The characters then? Probably not.

Maybe because one doesn't have to take a show seriously to enjoy it? Why does one have to have a "reason"? Maybe people watch it because they find it entertaining? And one can find it entertaining without having a reason. Indeed entertainment is often at the expense of reason.

ollythirteen said:
So if you ever say this show is awesome I can assume you don't mean the story? Since you don't seriously, I mean. Jolly good. I assume that when the show is over you'll probably forget all about it? Since you don't take it seriously, I mean. Hmm. An interesting journey into the mind of a Kill la Kill fan.

Let's assume what you wrote is true. Enjoyment is a "now" thing, not a "future" thing. There are plenty of things that I have enjoyed at the time, but probably would not enjoy if I were to watch it today. Entertainment and Enjoyment do not have to be eternal, as long as they provide merely a transient sense of enjoyment that is good enough.

ollythirteen said:
One question, did you find Attack on Titan to be a good anime? I felt that show sucked ass but still watched it to the end just to see if it could save itself. It recovered a bit with the Female Titan Arc but those inappropriately placed flashbacks, man - they were.a bother. (Kinda like how Mako is becoming a bother)

Just to respond to you. No, I did not like AoT, and yes, I thought it sucked. But so what? My tastes differ from other people, I don't assume just because other people have different tastes that they are somehow inferior because they do have such a taste.

Aesthetics are not eternal, but are dependent on the times. Each generation has its own anthem, something that appeals to them specifically because it was important to them at that time and space. KlK is an homage to Japanese shows from the 80's, so of course it would resound to people from that time, at the same time, since tastes did change, there hasn't been a show like KlK since the 80's, so for the succeeding generations it has a sense of novelty. Kids rebel against their parents, but their Kids also rebel, which means they become more similar to their grandparents.

Feb 8, 2014 9:35 PM

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Omfg. I didn't expect that. Satsuki stabbing her mother.

Feb 8, 2014 10:40 PM

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I kinda expected it earlier from reading too many theories but then I went back to not expecting it. So it ended up being unexpected. Overall good episode.

Feb 9, 2014 12:43 AM

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The rebelling against the director at the very end was the highlight of this episode.

Great episode!!!

Feb 9, 2014 1:17 AM

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All of that blood.

Feb 9, 2014 2:33 AM

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Would have been great if she had died there. You know, the name of the series being Kill la Kill and all.
Meh.

Feb 9, 2014 2:38 AM

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kinda anticipated it

Feb 9, 2014 3:51 AM

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Saw this coming a mile away from nearly the beginning of the series but the execution was great.

Feb 9, 2014 4:39 AM

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I dont know if somebody said that, but I think that Ragyo isn't Satsuki's real mother. Maybe she is her stepmother who married in their family after Satsuki's real mother death. Killed her father and taked all of their wealth in her hands, created that clothing company etc..
Maybe I am wrong, but it is clear that Satsuki doesn't respects her mother, but respects father. And where is he anyway? Maybe dead? Killed by Ragyo?

Feb 9, 2014 4:49 AM

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Ho sh1t!
It was expected. Satsuki and her gang had been building up their strategy to overthrow her mother as what I've stated when Nui 1st appeared in this show. Talk about family issues. I'm still wondering though, where did Satsuki's dad got Junketsu? Did he acquired it from Ryuuko's dad? Anyway, looking for to Satsuki X Ryuuko tandem! haha

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Feb 9, 2014 7:29 AM

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Tekakurika said:
I dont know if somebody said that, but I think that Ragyo isn't Satsuki's real mother. Maybe she is her stepmother who married in their family after Satsuki's real mother death. Killed her father and taked all of their wealth in her hands, created that clothing company etc..
Maybe I am wrong, but it is clear that Satsuki doesn't respects her mother, but respects father. And where is he anyway? Maybe dead? Killed by Ragyo?

I doubt it. They're the only two people in the series with dem eyebrows and Satsuki has a very similar similar facial structure to Ragyo except slightly less narrow eyes.
http://i.imgur.com/oOjvRtk.jpg

Also having them pull the not-really-related card would take away from the impact of the scene.

Feb 9, 2014 10:32 AM

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Wow! Just that, wow!

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Feb 9, 2014 11:01 AM

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Takuan_Soho said:

ollythirteen said:
I mean I'm not sure why anyone would invest 17 episodes into a show THEY DON'T TAKE SERIOUSLY unless it had something that compensated for its major weakness in this case the said weakness being an inability to be taken seriously by those watching. My reason is its art style. What's your reason? The action? Couldn't be. The characters then? Probably not.

Maybe because one doesn't have to take a show seriously to enjoy it? Why does one have to have a "reason"? Maybe people watch it because they find it entertaining? And one can find it entertaining without having a reason. Indeed entertainment is often at the expense of reason.

ollythirteen said:
So if you ever say this show is awesome I can assume you don't mean the story? Since you don't seriously, I mean. Jolly good. I assume that when the show is over you'll probably forget all about it? Since you don't take it seriously, I mean. Hmm. An interesting journey into the mind of a Kill la Kill fan.

Let's assume what you wrote is true. Enjoyment is a "now" thing, not a "future" thing. There are plenty of things that I have enjoyed at the time, but probably would not enjoy if I were to watch it today. Entertainment and Enjoyment do not have to be eternal, as long as they provide merely a transient sense of enjoyment that is good enough.

ollythirteen said:
One question, did you find Attack on Titan to be a good anime? I felt that show sucked ass but still watched it to the end just to see if it could save itself. It recovered a bit with the Female Titan Arc but those inappropriately placed flashbacks, man - they were.a bother. (Kinda like how Mako is becoming a bother)

Just to respond to you. No, I did not like AoT, and yes, I thought it sucked. But so what? My tastes differ from other people, I don't assume just because other people have different tastes that they are somehow inferior because they do have such a taste.

Aesthetics are not eternal, but are dependent on the times. Each generation has its own anthem, something that appeals to them specifically because it was important to them at that time and space. KlK is an homage to Japanese shows from the 80's, so of course it would resound to people from that time, at the same time, since tastes did change, there hasn't been a show like KlK since the 80's, so for the succeeding generations it has a sense of novelty. Kids rebel against their parents, but their Kids also rebel, which means they become more similar to their grandparents.

Arara, yet another guy who likes "Kill la Kill" but is level-headed about it.

Makes trolling difficult, ya see (I'm being sarcastic here. I'm not trolling. But because a lot of people have their 'This Show is The Best - Let's Ignore It's Flaws' goggles on any criticism aimed at the show would seem like trolling).

Well as someone who's watched countless ecchi and enjoyed them without taking them seriously, I know. I was just throwing dude's argument back in his face which was that I should just drop "Kill la Kill" since I don't enjoy it.

I was just trying to show that people watch a show for numerous reasons and that in the grand scheme of things, his reason for watching "Kill la Kill" was kind of similar to my reason for watching it i.e. not necessarily because the story was amazing.

Despite the not very well written story (IMO) I'm seeing this baby through to the end because it is just a joy to watch. I love the character design, colours, music and voice acting.

I have no defense for trying to use AoT to mock him though. Or remorse. That show was pretty awful ("Kill la Kill" has the same pacing issues but is infinitely better...how weird it is that I say this show has pacing issues when it goes at break-neck speed...content-issues then).

Feb 9, 2014 11:39 AM

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This was a cool episode, still laughing my ass off on the nudist beach "weapon holder". :D

Feb 9, 2014 11:56 AM

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Now steal her voice Satsuki! You are more deserving of Romi Park's AWESOME voice.

Feb 9, 2014 11:57 AM

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ollythirteen said:
Despite the not very well written story (IMO) I'm seeing this baby through to the end because it is just a joy to watch. I love the character design, colours, music and voice acting.

Actually this show is very well written, for what it is. One can look Wizard Barristers to see how poor writing can make good character designs, colors, music, and voice acting a pain to watch.

Is it perfect? No, but again it is very very good for what it wants to be, an homage to 80's female "empowerment" shows (Cutie Honey and Sukeban Deka - and empowerment is in quotes because it is female empowerment from a very male point of view). Those shows also had their flaws, but they were just so much fun to watch at that time, that one overlooked the flaws. The same is true here. This show is creamy buttery popcorn munching goodness. And in that there hasn't been such a show like this in around 20 years, so why is it surprising that some people are really into it?

Feb 9, 2014 3:51 PM

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Well damn.. Didn't expect Satsuki to go in like that lmfao.

Mataro's quick thinking saved him

Nui pretty much doesn't give a damn

Feb 9, 2014 3:54 PM

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Damn, I KNEW Satsuki was gonna betray her mother, especially after last episode... glad to see she did indeed. Makes me wonder though what will happen from here... from the preview it looks like Ragyo's going to be perfectly fine, which may be good because unless someone new is introduced (like her father maybe) I can't see anyone else being the main villain.

If Ragyo is still alive, I can only imagine we're going to see Satsuki being pummeled next episode, along with everyone else there. I had a feeling that Matarou being nude would come into play... makes me wonder if they're really going to defeat Ragyo next episode, because I have a hard time believing that they made him dodge the bullet like that for no reason. Guess we'll find out next episode... I suspect some crazy shit's about to go down in Kill la Kill.

Feb 9, 2014 5:55 PM

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Anyone know what ost is that playing on ragyo entrance ??? (18:07 - 18:30)

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Feb 9, 2014 7:20 PM

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it's totally unexpected o_O

Feb 9, 2014 7:25 PM

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Shit! Those crazy trolling bastard on /a/ were right!
She really did turn on her mother in the end!

BTW: Ragyo looks like shit in this ep, even before the whole getting crucified thing.

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Feb 9, 2014 7:42 PM

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Not to take ollythirteen's side or anything, but what the show "wants to be" is a character drama.

Feb 9, 2014 7:55 PM

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I didn't expect Satsuki to backstab her mother that quick.

Feb 9, 2014 10:30 PM

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InstaKiller said:
Anyone know what ost is that playing on ragyo entrance ??? (18:07 - 18:30)

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Feb 9, 2014 10:46 PM

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I knew Satsuki was gonna betray her mom, but not in that fashion! The girls have a common enemy for now, but will have very different end goals I suspect.

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Feb 10, 2014 2:38 AM

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Episode 18 preview (untranslated):
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bo2xi_kill-la-kill-ep18-preview-30-sec-ver_creation

Feb 10, 2014 3:07 AM

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A lot of people saying they 'knew' this would happen. I'm not afraid to admit that I did not, and I'm glad I was able to be pleasantly surprised by this twist as it's going to make the show hell of a lot more interesting. The feeling I got from that moment was awesome.

Incredible episode. Ragyo Kiryuin's entrance was magnificent.

Feb 10, 2014 3:56 AM

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SergioSource said:

InstaKiller said:
Anyone know what ost is that playing on ragyo entrance ??? (18:07 - 18:30)

Blumenkranz

thank you.

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Feb 10, 2014 5:59 AM

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ollythirteen said:

Takuan_Soho said:

ollythirteen said:
I mean I'm not sure why anyone would invest 17 episodes into a show THEY DON'T TAKE SERIOUSLY unless it had something that compensated for its major weakness in this case the said weakness being an inability to be taken seriously by those watching. My reason is its art style. What's your reason? The action? Couldn't be. The characters then? Probably not.

Maybe because one doesn't have to take a show seriously to enjoy it? Why does one have to have a "reason"? Maybe people watch it because they find it entertaining? And one can find it entertaining without having a reason. Indeed entertainment is often at the expense of reason.

ollythirteen said:
So if you ever say this show is awesome I can assume you don't mean the story? Since you don't seriously, I mean. Jolly good. I assume that when the show is over you'll probably forget all about it? Since you don't take it seriously, I mean. Hmm. An interesting journey into the mind of a Kill la Kill fan.

Let's assume what you wrote is true. Enjoyment is a "now" thing, not a "future" thing. There are plenty of things that I have enjoyed at the time, but probably would not enjoy if I were to watch it today. Entertainment and Enjoyment do not have to be eternal, as long as they provide merely a transient sense of enjoyment that is good enough.

ollythirteen said:
One question, did you find Attack on Titan to be a good anime? I felt that show sucked ass but still watched it to the end just to see if it could save itself. It recovered a bit with the Female Titan Arc but those inappropriately placed flashbacks, man - they were.a bother. (Kinda like how Mako is becoming a bother)

Just to respond to you. No, I did not like AoT, and yes, I thought it sucked. But so what? My tastes differ from other people, I don't assume just because other people have different tastes that they are somehow inferior because they do have such a taste.

Aesthetics are not eternal, but are dependent on the times. Each generation has its own anthem, something that appeals to them specifically because it was important to them at that time and space. KlK is an homage to Japanese shows from the 80's, so of course it would resound to people from that time, at the same time, since tastes did change, there hasn't been a show like KlK since the 80's, so for the succeeding generations it has a sense of novelty. Kids rebel against their parents, but their Kids also rebel, which means they become more similar to their grandparents.

Arara, yet another guy who likes "Kill la Kill" but is level-headed about it.

Makes trolling difficult, ya see (I'm being sarcastic here. I'm not trolling. But because a lot of people have their 'This Show is The Best - Let's Ignore It's Flaws' goggles on any criticism aimed at the show would seem like trolling).

Well as someone who's watched countless ecchi and enjoyed them without taking them seriously, I know. I was just throwing dude's argument back in his face which was that I should just drop "Kill la Kill" since I don't enjoy it.

I was just trying to show that people watch a show for numerous reasons and that in the grand scheme of things, his reason for watching "Kill la Kill" was kind of similar to my reason for watching it i.e. not necessarily because the story was amazing.

Despite the not very well written story (IMO) I'm seeing this baby through to the end because it is just a joy to watch. I love the character design, colours, music and voice acting.

I have no defense for trying to use AoT to mock him though. Or remorse. That show was pretty awful ("Kill la Kill" has the same pacing issues but is infinitely better...how weird it is that I say this show has pacing issues when it goes at break-neck speed...content-issues then).

you're still trolling these threads? get a hobby or something lol

Feb 10, 2014 6:37 AM

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Takuan_Soho said:

ollythirteen said:
Despite the not very well written story (IMO) I'm seeing this baby through to the end because it is just a joy to watch. I love the character design, colours, music and voice acting.

Actually this show is very well written, for what it is. One can look Wizard Barristers to see how poor writing can make good character designs, colors, music, and voice acting a pain to watch.

Is it perfect? No, but again it is very very good for what it wants to be, an homage to 80's female "empowerment" shows (Cutie Honey and Sukeban Deka - and empowerment is in quotes because it is female empowerment from a very male point of view). Those shows also had their flaws, but they were just so much fun to watch at that time, that one overlooked the flaws. The same is true here. This show is creamy buttery popcorn munching goodness. And in that there hasn't been such a show like this in around 20 years, so why is it surprising that some people are really into it?

For me "Kill la Kill" has been a let down.

I went into the show expecting a "character drama" thinking "Oh, I didn't like Gurren Lagann but the character designs of this show look amazing and apparently this is a character drama. Cartoony design + character drama = awesomeness. Yeah!" and then episode 2 happened and I felt let down.

I listened when people said "Just enjoy it for what it is: a parody;Turn your brain off" and settled in for popcorn entertainment but then episode 6 happened and I felt let down (I actually hate Sanageyama....and after this show his seiyuu).

Feeling let down, I continued to watch anyway and was pleasantly surprised when the show went in an unexpected direction...only to be let down by fake-out after fake-out:

"Holy shit, Nui is the killer! What does this mean for the story?" Still waiting on an answer.

"Holy crap Nui destroyed Senketsu! What does this mean for Ryuuko and her emotional/mental state?!" We get her riding a bike in homage to Kill Bill/FLCL/whatever other pop culture reference (I'm not really a fan of those...pop culture references, I mean, since it's merely a form of pandering).

"Oh shit on a bunny! Ryuuko doesn't want to fight anymore! Tsumugu thinks that a Kamui should be destroyed if it isn't used for fighting - it is on like donkey kong!" And then we get:

Mako - "HMPH!"
BGM - Hallelujah!

And then after some random rant the conflict is suddenly over.

It's literally been like one big not kept promise for me.

On the other hand the developments have been a miss for me, with some some of them seeming almost inconsistent:

The whole thing about Satsuki using the Takarada guy to draw nudist beach out? Holy huh? A few episodes later we find out that Dr Matoi financed nudist beach. So what was the Takarada guy's importance?

"You're wrong, ollythirteen. It was Ryuuko Satsuki used to draw nudist beach out!" Okay then how did Satsuki know that Ryuuko was associated with nudist beach (especially when the data they gathered on Tsumugu showed him trying to kill Ryuuko)? Aikuro? Yeah Satsuki suspected him as she claims in ep 15 but did she know he was associated with Ryuuko like at all?

The whole thing of Satsuki wearing Ryuuko's glove so Ryuuko would come after her? Why would she distribute the rest of senketsu among other students? (people claim Satsuki is trying to make Ryuuko stronger, but the girl was fighting to kill).

How about the fact that the show is set in a school where Satsuki is at the top? Does she even GO to class?

Finally there's the matter of a shit load of stuff happening but it feeling like nothing has happened. This point is a tricky one because this show is not episodic by a long shot but feels pretty episodic. Episode 4, 5, 6 and 7 could have been left out of the show...while at the same time were integral to the story. It's weird. But because most of the happenings lacked punch it makes the continuity seem nothing more than ornament (such as Tsumugu wrecking shit back in episode 5 and him now being a recurring character. Yeah, he served to show that the show's world was bigger than Hounouji Gakuen but more than too many episodes later we are back in Hounouji Gakuen! So "fuck you" says the show to us viewers who notice these things).

Let me repeat that I don't hate this show. Neither do I look down on people who like it. But it has been a slug making it this far in and thinking back on the experience. I was confused by the first few episodes of Steins;Gate but by the end of the first half and with every episode after, I was rewarded for experiencing it.

With "Kill la Kill" I'm still waiting for my reward (you know, besides "good everything else other than story").

Feb 10, 2014 6:39 AM

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