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Neverender said: Divine_Glitch said: I think we just become unconscious flow of energy, this isn't FFVII It's a better thoery than anything else I have heard to date. FF7 was a brilliant concept, alot better tha a nihilst idea of 'who cares' at least it is a theory based in scientifc fact of bascia quantum logic. *insert 'BRO' here* ^ that should bring it to a level you can at least grasp ^_^ |
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Divine_Glitch said: Does it really matter what happens to your parts when you die though? As the brain breakd and the consciousness disappear, it's not like we'll be aware of where our little bits go.I think we just become unconscious flow of energy. Sub atomic quasars, quarks perhaps even deeper than that. Perhaps you may even stay conscious, but since consciousness is a brain function I think just random energy flux/flow. |
Baman said: Divine_Glitch said: Does it really matter what happens to your parts when you die though? As the brain breakd and the consciousness disappear, it's not like we'll be aware of where our little bits go.I think we just become unconscious flow of energy. Sub atomic quasars, quarks perhaps even deeper than that. Perhaps you may even stay conscious, but since consciousness is a brain function I think just random energy flux/flow. I'm not saying it does. But, when it comes to theory, this one is just a way of saying o die, but your still a part of the universe, you just wont be conscious, like sleep. There are too many God fearing folk on this site who belive in heaven and hell etc. These are states of mind in a waking consciouness, not a death sleep. The thread the other day about the body exhibiton being banned in france for example. That is what could happen to you after you die, or, you become worm food, or dust. The point is people have such an ego they cant imagine for onesecond that perhaps they are not that special, that there is no great need for a sigular personality to exist at all let alone after this whole life thing is done and dusted. I say, who cares! But, unconscious enery flux/flow sounds easier on the brain/ego. |
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Aeiou said: Your consciousness with cease and you won't know life for eternity and a day. And believe me when I say eternity is a fucking long time. How would you know, you would not be conscious to experience what your linear mind created as time i.e a very long time, so long you mind just says its so long that it could keep counting, but you would not be counting because you would be dead and you would not be a linear being anymore. |
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| I think it's interesting that pretty much all ancient cultures at one point and time, believed in the existence of ghosts. Despite massive cultural differences and insurmountable traveling distances. On a good day, things like this give me an irrational hope. Which is better than a logical despair and waste of life. Which only helps to further fuel my obsession with ghosts and spirituality. |
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| Hey OP, The thread you made is a very controversial one indeed, and can easily be degraded into a cesspool of spam if you don't put thought into it. I understand you have your beliefs when you die, but asking MAL a question like this is bound to start a problem if you don't take the thread serious to begin with. Bold letters, huge/pink font, opening on religion are all things that can cause someone to not take the thread serious. Threads like these get easily corrupted, and fast. I've made a few of these type threads myself so I won't convey my thoughts on the subject here as I'm quite burnout on the whole after death talk in general, but if you'd like to see my thoughts on it: I had this one locked for various reasons. Mostly because dwelling on the inevitable is depressing. This one was another I dug up. |
Divine_Glitch said: Aeiou said: Your consciousness with cease and you won't know life for eternity and a day. And believe me when I say eternity is a fucking long time. How would you know, you would not be conscious to experience what your linear mind created as time i.e a very long time, so long you mind just says its so long that it could keep counting, but you would not be counting because you would be dead and you would not be a linear being anymore. Do you know what eternity means? |
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Rpgwiz said: Hey OP, The thread you made is a very controversial one indeed, and can easily be degraded into a cesspool of spam if you don't put thought into it. I understand you have your beliefs when you die, but asking MAL a question like this is bound to start a problem if you don't take the thread serious to begin with. Bold letters, huge/pink font, opening on religion are all things that can cause someone to not take the thread serious. Threads like these get easily corrupted, and fast. I've made a few of these type threads myself so I won't convey my thoughts on the subject here as I'm quite burnout on the whole after death talk in general, but if you'd like to see my thoughts on it: I had this one locked for various reasons. Mostly because dwelling on the inevitable is depressing. This one was another I dug up. I thought it was interesting reading others opinions on this, I dont see any harm in this thread. If it does turn into spam, then so may be, couldnt care less really. Thanks for your links thou ^^ |
ukonkivi said: The reason why is simple enough. Besides, if they really had existed, we would have lots of proper records of it from every culture, and science would have discovered these ghosts and spirits.I think it's interesting that pretty much all ancient cultures at one point and time, believed in the existence of ghosts. Despite massive cultural differences and insurmountable traveling distances. On a good day, things like this give me an irrational hope. Which is better than a logical despair and waste of life. Which only helps to further fuel my obsession with ghosts and spirituality. |
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Aeiou said: Divine_Glitch said: Aeiou said: Your consciousness with cease and you won't know life for eternity and a day. And believe me when I say eternity is a fucking long time. How would you know, you would not be conscious to experience what your linear mind created as time i.e a very long time, so long you mind just says its so long that it could keep counting, but you would not be counting because you would be dead and you would not be a linear being anymore. Do you know what eternity means? Eterninty is a concept derived from the logical linear mind which counts and creates concepts like time and space, it is unable to comprehend infinty. The actual existance of eternity is a human idea. You do not know what it is, neither do I because neither of us has expreienced it, yet. When you do you wont have a human mind to even create the concept of eternity coupled with the idea of time and you wont be measuring it because you will not have a brain to use as an instument for measuring to know you are experiencing it. As a human you are incable of understanding it. |
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Divine_Glitch said: Eterninty is a concept derived from the logical linear mind which counts and creates concepts like time and space, it is unable to comprehend infinty. The actual existance of eternity is a human idea. You do not know what it is, neither do I because neither of us has expreienced it, yet. When you do you wont have a human mind to even create the concept of eternity coupled with the idea of time and you wont be measuring it because you will not have a brain to use as an instument for measuring to know you are experiencing it. As a human you are incable of understanding it. Cantor would disagree. We do have a rather sufficient rudimentary comprehension of infinite, and transfinite, numbers. Eternity is not such hard a thing to comprehend either; everything that can happen will happen in all possible ways an infinite amount of times. At best one can argue we can't picture it; but then there are quite a lot of things we cannot picture we still comprehend (well, some of us). Say, wave-particle duality. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Divine_Glitch said: Eterninty is a concept derived from the logical linear mind which counts and creates concepts like time and space, it is unable to comprehend infinty. The actual existance of eternity is a human idea. You do not know what it is, neither do I because neither of us has expreienced it, yet. When you do you wont have a human mind to even create the concept of eternity coupled with the idea of time and you wont be measuring it because you will not have a brain to use as an instument for measuring to know you are experiencing it. As a human you are incable of understanding it. Cantor would disagree. We do have a rather sufficient rudimentary comprehension of infinite, and transfinite, numbers. Eternity is not such hard a thing to comprehend either; everything that can happen will happen in all possible ways an infinite amount of times. At best one can argue we can't picture it; but then there are quite a lot of things we cannot picture we still comprehend (well, some of us). Say, wave-particle duality. I see what you are saying, however, it is simply the case of the imagination taking over to form an abstrcat concept for somthing the logical linear mind cannot do. This has to do with left and right brain hemispheres. Even though you have been told or have a rudemnetary idea of the pyramids of giza, without actually being there you cannot comprehend the reality of it. It is simple reality of fact, nothing more. The right brain hemisphere is an abstract thinker, the left is logical linear and holds languange, time models and words. This has so much to do with these things. when you dream your left hemisphere become dormant, the right brain becomes dominant, when you wake the roles are revesed. Some people dream in colour, words, images or nothingness, but there is nothing really going on. That is why people use mind enhancing drugs to increase that activity through certain bio-chemicles, which is why people have visons of time disapearing walls and body melting, because the left linear logic centers have been shut down while you are still awake. At any rate, there is a point where your left side wakes up and time and space get organised into a coherent pattern of recongizability. In death, there is no brain, no form or lack there of, no left or right nothing to even use as a concept no toll, nothing. It is infinite, but even with a drug enduced pycosis of reality to experience a form of infinity it is still not actual close to what eternity and what it is. we will not be present to even realse the passage of time. Nothing. depending on if your more left or right brain orientaited depends on your ability to come up with abstarct ideas of trying to grasp infinity, eternity. Some people can, like shamans concept an idea of what it might feel like or be like and even then The reason why plato was such a genius( even though I know his policies were bad) was because he knew what he did not know even though he knew a lot, which is why he spent his life disproving himself whereas others spend a lifetime trying to prove themselves. Death is a doorway past the consciousness into a realm where the reality of the concept will be made clear, but not on a human level. It is beyond the level of a linear being who exists within a corporial state to be able to understand it. The questions are; '' will consciouness return?'' , '' is consciouness outside of ourselfves, really a perception of what we belive to be within?'' , '' what is eternity, and how will I experience this directly'' these are the questions no man alive can answer. Eternity is like a book on a place you would like to go to know what it is, but untill you actually get on the plane and take the trip it will just be an idea in your mind, with no real basis of actualizing its real form. Dieing is the plane, death is the trip. One day we will all take that journey, im sure we all expect somthing diefferent. |
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Divine_Glitch said: I see what you are saying, however, it is simply the case of the imagination taking over to form an abstrcat concept for somthing the logical linear mind cannot do. This has to do with left and right brain hemispheres. Even though you have been told or have a rudemnetary idea of the pyramids of giza, without actually being there you cannot comprehend the reality of it. It is simple reality of fact, nothing more. The right brain hemisphere is an abstract thinker, the left is logical linear and holds languange, time models and words. This has so much to do with these things. when you dream your left hemisphere become dormant, the right brain becomes dominant, when you wake the roles are revesed. Some people dream in colour, words, images or nothingness, but there is nothing really going on. This is sort of a myth, actually. While different brain centra are asymmetrically divided over the two hemispheres, there is a rather good degree of decentralisation. Also, that would not be imagination I used there. That was mere deduction from premises (time is infinite, events happen in a finite time = infinite events, to do it very sloppily and skipping the proper rigour and formalisation). Logic. To imagine what infinity is like is, on the other hand, not quite possible (mostly since there's really nothing to imagine in itself). We can, however, make a few sweeping claims after a few "granted that..." phrases. The part about sleeping is myth. Divine_Glitch said: In death, there is no brain, no form or lack there of, no left or right nothing to even use as a concept no toll, nothing. It is infinite, but even with a drug enduced pycosis of reality to experience a form of infinity it is still not actual close to what eternity and what it is. we will not be present to even realse the passage of time. Nothing. Nothing cannot be infinite (oh wow that looks ugly). NegExists(Infinite (x)), see? Infinitude is a predicate, existence is a quantificator. And as for the rest... okay? Divine_Glitch said: depending on if your more left or right brain orientaited depends on your ability to come up with abstarct ideas of trying to grasp infinity, eternity. Some people can, like shamans concept an idea of what it might feel like or be like and even then The reason why plato was such a genius( even though I know his policies were bad) was because he knew what he did not know even though he knew a lot, which is why he spent his life disproving himself whereas others spend a lifetime trying to prove themselves. Plato wasn't a genius :< The lad built his arguments mostly like so: PLATO: I hold that there exists an idea of mankind. COUNTERARGUMENT: Nah. PLATO: Yes there is. I said so. COUNTERARGUMENT: Oh wow, that is amazing! You must be right! PLATO: I know! Now I'll explain a wholly hypothetical scenario with this unbased theory! COUNTERARGUMENT: Plato, have sex with me? He was mostly a good writer. Some of his opponents had better arguments than his Socrates mouthpiece. Plato does buckle up in Parmenides, as he destroys his own wacky hypothesis with a barrage of actual counterarguments. One could feel his hopelessness. NOW NEVERMIND. This is not trying to grasp infinity. It is a logical deduction from a few rather simple axioms. Divine_Glitch said: Death is a doorway past the consciousness into a realm where the reality of the concept will be made clear, but not on a human level. It is beyond the level of a linear being who exists within a corporial state to be able to understand it. How about no. The only viable hypothesis is the "I cease to be" one. The most honest one would be "I don't have much of a clue, but if I extrapolate from our given comprehension of neurology and identity, we will not continue to exist after brain death, which would presumably mean utter cessation. Not that there exists a good definition of "I" anyway, if anything, it muct be my body". divine_glitch said: Eternity is like a book on a place you would like to go to know what it is, but untill you actually get on the plane and take the trip it will just be an idea in your mind, with no real basis of actualizing its real form. Dieing is the plane, death is the trip. One day we will all take that journey, im sure we all expect somthing diefferent. I am not talking of experiential knowledge; it's quite (litotes) unlikely to experience it. But the easy hypothesis here is that it is just like any other kind of experiencing of the flow of time. There is no reason to assume otherwise. The only "knowledge" one can have of it is purely hypothetico-deductive. Anything else is mere obscurantism and pseudospiritualism. Sufficient to say, the likelihood is less than the likelihood of Aristotelian physics being proven right after all. I AM SO BORED |
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Baman said: and science would have discovered these ghosts and spirits. Or maybe someday science could discover something similar to ghosts, someday, hopefully. I think it awfully strange that science has yet to discover and prove anything in favor of the existence of ghosts. But I also think it's strange that all these different separated cultures would believe in them. But yeah, I said irrational for a reason. In any case, I can only hope that one day before I die they'll find a way to back up my mind and memory. And can keep my conciousness in a constant stream after my bodies dies. I like my mind, I don't want to ever be brain dead unless I can be transferred out in time. |
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ukonkivi said: It's just like religion really. All humans have the same brain structure, and so, all our societies have taken pretty much the same basic turns and twists. Ghosts, spirits and gods are all invented to serve the same purposes in every society, as explanations of seemingly unexplainable events and answers to those usual question of what happens when we die and the like.But I also think it's strange that all these different separated cultures would believe in them. |
| That's oversimplifying it. Religion, like Christianity, has had all origins you can see spreading as a culture. And people could find all sorts of reasons to explain things, without ghosts. Given the separation and ability for diversity, it's odd how the SAME explanation was found across different cultures instead of several different ones. All cultures shouldn't NATURALLY just come up with ghosts. There ought to be more variation than there is. The lack of cultural variation is a bit odd when it comes to all spirituality in fact. When you look at Christianity, you can look a direct spread and formation a good hypothesis ever since the very beginning of Judaism. And if you look at Hinduism, even as ancient as it is, at least modernly you can figure someone believes in it because of their culture, and make some decent hypothesis as to why Indian spirituality became an organized religion called Hinduism. But the uniformity itself of spirituality, anthropologically, is not an easy one to decipher. I'm not say there isn't some scientific, non-spiritual explanation for it all. I just think it's a complicated area of study trying to piece together and understand why spirituality has formed the way it does. There's no simple explanation. It's much like other heavily not uncovered areas of study, such as consciousness and subatomic physics. Saying people just "needed an explanation" and "didn't have logical means to understand" only solves one of many questions about why people formed a belief in ghosts and such. It's not a proper answer to the whole question. It's a piece of the answer. |
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ukonkivi said: Well, of course, we can't really draw any conclusions just like that.Saying people just "needed an explanation" and "didn't have logical means to understand" only solves one of many questions about why people formed a belief in ghosts and such. It's not a proper answer to the whole question. It's a piece of the answer. Another point though, could be the natural fear of death. And according to Freud's unscientific musings, gods or ancestral spirits would be replacing the role of watcher and protector that ones parents held when one was a child. |
| Well, natural fear of death could be interpreted into all sorts of non-ghostlike means. And replacing the roles of watcher and protector could have been done so, illogically in all sorts of means other than gods and ancestral spirits. I find it rather odd that the natural reaction to being afraid of death and feeling lonely is to make up gods and spirits like ghosts. |
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ukonkivi said: Seems quite plausible to me at least, but who knows.I find it rather odd that the natural reaction to being afraid of death and feeling lonely is to make up gods and spirits like ghosts. Though I can't think of any other reason behind global, cross cultural human similarities other than those based on global human psychological factors. It's like language, every culture has one, and they are all strikingly similar in structure when you consider that they have likely developed completely separated from each other. |
Baman said: Seems quite plausible to me at least, but who knows. Though I can't think of any other reason behind global, cross cultural human similarities other than those based on global human psychological factors. It's like language, every culture has one, and they are all strikingly similar in structure when you consider that they have likely developed completely separated from each other. Well, gods and ghosts are a rather specific concept. One that takes quite a leap to throw out there and imagine. Whereas language could likely just have formed by simply finding that the voice could be used as a tool. And language probably formed by people doing tasks as simple as moaning because they could, and trying to communicate that moan or sound for the object such as a stone tool or animal, and eventually set a standard sound between two people. As time went on, all sorts of standardizations of these sounds grew and ethnic languages formed. For loneliness, fear of death, and lack of explanation for things, in primitive people, however, to naturally be reacted to by coming up with gods and spirits, would reveal much research on the human mind and why it would form such a complicated, although wrong answer, as opposite to other various possibilities, so consecutively. Not meaning to sound spiritual, but it's awfully mysterious. As in, unknown and much to know about. The mind of a person who had never any experience with the cultural idea of ghosts, spirits or gods, coming up with them, would be a fascinating thing to behold and study. Language is an immediate survival need. Spiritiuality is a very removed, lofty abrasion and ghosts are a very specific, unprimitive idea. One could almost say it's genius to come up with the concept of ghosts without any prior cultural experience or knowledge. Whereas language just starts with two people coming to an agreement one what certain moans should mean. |
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michaelfeb16 said: Religion, spirituality, and superstition are often uniform or at least similarly rooted across cultures because of what could be described as convergent evolution for memes. If you use the analogy that a baseless belief is like a virus which infects minds during the vulnerable youth when humans are genetically predisposed to accept what they are told as the truth, it all comes together. This explains why similarities are evident around the world. Such a virus will be in direct competition with other such ideas. Whichever idea best preys upon human hopes and fears would be the most successful in being believed and spread. Human hopes and fears are more or less uniform across cultures, so it follows that similar ideas will be successful around the world. Ah, I'd completely forgotten about memetic viruses. It's a quite interesting theory, and on a side note, it also shows why certain forms of entertainment is especially popular, just look at harem anime for example, it certainly preys on some basic hopes and drives. |
| Oh hey, I've just learned about convergent evolution today in the museum. Though I... vaguely remember what it was now. Besides that, to this topic, I'd say, ignorance is bliss. I simply ignore of what will happen after I die. Even though I still fear death (or maybe I fear the pain before dying, it's hard to tell), I don't want or need an answer to what happens after I die. One might argue that it's human nature to be curious of the unknown, but, I want to actively/consciously ignore that notion as much as I can. It would only leave one depressed, at least, it would to me if I focused on it too much. |
| I was simply saying that not matter what extrpolation or hypothesis there is based within a credimont of fact gained through the understanding of certain incarnations of brain activiity and conscious thought, in reality how we percive and experience evrything is down to localised brain function. I am not going to argue with the activity of the brain since we dont enough about it to be able to make cast solutions to the mechanisms involved, but, in most reasearch there is deffinatly prodomint divisons. take the left or right sided brian challeges, there are many. When brain function slows, decreases or stops so does our ability to percive the world in whatver formulated theory you have come to in you travels among the many books within the library of knowledge. You stop, the sense of self stops, so does all motor finction and cerebral activity. You die. Yes plato was a genius, the people he argued with may have lacked a reasonable plateau from which to stand so there arguments usully were along the lines on 'nah' because that a subordinate way of thinking in a pompus way. You cannot creat an argument so you shrug it off because you know better, but, even if you do you have not figured out an argument yet that has been able to adequatly explain what it is you are thinking. At least he was honest about what he did know. He was an idiot because his social policies were basically flawed, and in a political debate he lost, always. but at least he was not so arogant as to belive that by using a mathematical equation he could solve the probpme of life. Even if you managed at sompoint to cataouge every quasar and quatum movment through sheere stuppdity of effort, what exactly is that knowledge which exists within a coporal rotting shell going to help you with exactly? better to just admit you dont know what the hell your talking about. for me though the conversations between chang tzu and Lao tsu were better, because at least they just argued about how the universe worked and best to use it rather than argue about it obvious existance. I doubt they would have much time to debate with a neitchian or platonic phiopsper because compared them they are but children in a playground. Even though the teaching live on, they are long dead, the thoughts exist but not with the original brain or body of the mind but in the words that were writen down and porved to work. I could not care less about somthing that in reality means nothing to me, I would rather watch a snail on it journey at least I know he would be better company than some of the more popolectual idiots among this site. I am really quite tired of the search for 'God' or the search to becoming a 'God', I certainly could not possibly fathom what will happen to 'Me' the 'I' my 'self' it is of no consequnece sine it has no bearing on how the the universe operates. I am interest in function ad mechanics, but when I die I wont be alive to experience them anymore, the particles of enery that combine to form chemical bonds and mechanical pysyics will just be split up an rearanged into some other form. ^ this last statment is a sweeping reality. Even though as I am now or as any human who is alive today and is present on this planet is capable of vast amounts of potential to creat and destry and use the materials we have, which are the very building blocks of life, to create whatver heaven of hell that they desire within themselves. But when you body is broken down into it's original elements, which you will have no say over when or if it happens, you will not have function mechanical brain activity to know what is going on. As for the arguments of infinity and eternity, well this was the original confusion. No you do not know what infinity is, because you are a finite being in a coporial body, that, even though you can count or extrapolate an idea from you imagination using fact to prove you steps, you do not have the abilty to understand it. Why? because that would mean being able to get you head around the object, since you cannot over think it you cannot grasp it. You are but a hand reaching for a cloud in the sky, it is not in you scope of psooibilty to reach that ever, even though you may trick yourself by holding you finger next to the cloud, you are not touching it you are incaable of reachin that far, because you mind lacks the abilty to do such a task. You are a dolphin who wants to walk, a monkey that wants fire. You are a man that wants to become a God, and I suppose an admirable goal but totally absurd. in death, perhaps not. But no human brain is capable of this. You dont have 15 fingers on each hand, you dont have a triple hemisphere brain, you dont have the abilty to be able to do those things, the way a laymen cannot play but perhaps understands the concept of motzart. Even motzart was not a God. He is also dead. I AM EVEN MOAR BORD THAN U! |
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ukonkivi said: Most likely, the worst case scenario. Nonexistence.:< A possibility I'd prefer not to think about because it wastes my few precious life. Whereas thinking about ghosts and hell is totally enjoyable. I don't think that's the WORST existance. At least there would no longer be any suffering. It could be HELL/PURGATORY. I think you'll be given what you deserve. You act good in this life, good things happen afterwards. Your bad, bad things. |
michaelfeb16 said: Pewdie said: I dont mean to your body, but to your mind. It's hard to imagine whats its going to be like after we die. I'm pretty sure death is going to be a lot like before we were born, I guess.. My dream however is that all my ancestors will be waiting for me in heaven like its at the airport. ^^ What is your idea of life after death? You speak of the mind as if it is separate from the body. Considering that the mind is simply our term for the collection of our conscious thoughts and desires, it follows that it ceases to exist once the brain decomposes upon death. good answer |
SeeSayLeki said: I don't think that's the WORST existance. At least there would no longer be any suffering. I would rather be suffering than not exist. |
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ukonkivi said: Most likely, the best case scenario. Nonexistence.:< fixed This might seem wierd but I believe that the concious mind is in the way of true happiness. Everytime I watch anime, sitcoms or whatever I kinda disconnect my mind from the surrounding and in that state I can relax from stress and stuff. I'm pretty sure that most of us here like to sleep, and it's just another way to disconnect / relax from the surrounding. I think death is like an eternal, dreamless sleep, except that you won't be afraid of not waking up because, you can't be! Sounds kinda depressing, eh? Still it's seems kinda rewarding |
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Snoppdraken said: ukonkivi said: Most likely, the best case scenario. Nonexistence.:< fixed No. Put it back. |
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Snoppdraken said: This might seem wierd but I believe that the concious mind is in the way of true happiness. Contradiction. Happiness is a conscious state. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Snoppdraken said: This might seem wierd but I believe that the concious mind is in the way of true happiness. Contradiction. Happiness is a conscious state. Haha true, but I see it as happiness = a state where you're not bothered by negative emotions and such, you might not agree with me in this though... Anyways, the whole idea of an afterlife is built upon the idea of a soul and mind which I think only is bullshit... those terms have never been proved nor does they fill any needed parts (outside of the afterlife-idea). I believe that the cavity inside your chest and your heart is what people see as soul and the electrical impulses as mind. We can today trace negative emotions inside people's brains and thus also know that they disappear with all the other brain activitieis when we die. |
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havelock said: ?soul |
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