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Because even though Ryuuji is rebelling against his mom, he still decides to listen to where she wants him to go? XD. I'm guessing the whole watch thing caught his curiously enough to abide by her wishes. Ok, so he could just go and visit them, ask for help, whatever. And why the hell is taiga running with him? I mean, since yasuko is gone, they have a whole house to live in. |
| All I have to say is... WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!????? Ryuuji is kind of brainless for running away with Taiga. and wtf? they're getting married? :| too impulsive!!! I really like Minorin in this episode though <_< |
zuziako said: Because even though Ryuuji is rebelling against his mom, he still decides to listen to where she wants him to go? XD. I'm guessing the whole watch thing caught his curiously enough to abide by her wishes. Ok, so he could just go and visit them, ask for help, whatever. And why the hell is taiga running with him? I mean, since yasuko is gone, they have a whole house to live in. because lovers do things together. |
Jarmel said: All I'm saying it's a silly argument to make that just because two characters of opposite sex are in the title that they are automatically going to be together romantically. I guess by that logic, people should pretty much know the ending to "Marie & Gali" next season. Ok first off the pairing is IN the title. If that is not one huge giveaway then I don't even know where to begin. Jarmel said: ... So are you saying Taiga's love is based on dependence and abandonment issues? Yeah, that's romantic love... As for her not not being a coward: she said no to Kitamura out of fear, she continued with her inability to tell him she liked him, she did not want to deal with her dad until Ryuuji pretty much guilted her into it. If anything, he likes her because she makes him feel needed, like he thought his mom did (oh, mom issues). I guess these two are just a couple of needy individuals that belong together because no one else will validate those feelings. But all this is not related to the point of my previous post: Men and Women can be just friends. Sure they sometimes get together, but they also don't. Just because a guy does nice things for a friend: like cook, try to make sure they get along with their parents, or try and save their life; it doesn't have to mean he's hitting on her. He could just be a caring person, you know, a friend. |
| I'm at a loss of what to think about this episode. WTF all around. I'm a RxT supporter and even i was like, huh? I'm def reading the rest of the novels after this... hoping that this was better done. And i feel bad for ya-chan but she also somewhat deserved it. Though now Ryuuji you should appologize ok. |
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RaitoTheReaper said: Regardless of the spontaneous actions brought about by all characters, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. It put a giant smile across my face. :) Me too :) I am glad they are getting married. |
| Even tho it was kind of fast paced I really liked this episode. Lots of cute Taiga, Ryuuji and Minorin moments there and some really nice drama, for example when Ryuuji started yelling against his mom. I was like, wtf are you saying dude >_< I can't believe this is ending next episode... I don't want it to end. |
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| I'm bit too old and pragmatic about life to enjoy this turn of events in high-school romantic comedy. This whole school dumping, run away from home and marriage plans are unnecessary exaggeration. |
| Great episode & getting married surprised me really how quick it came to that point but looking forward to the last episode |
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| What a great episode, very trippy and hilarious. Loving it. |
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| I think this episode was even more awesome than episode 23. How Ryu introduced Taiga as his wife.... priceless. >:3 |
De-JaYMar 20, 2009 1:57 PM
| bleh. This episode was pretty bad. Ryuuji and Taiga are so stupid >.< |
| Intense, one more episode to go am gonna cry. ;____; |
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| So in Japan you can't play baseball if you're a girl. Okay... Ryuuji acting quite childish was surprising, but then again it just reminds us that he is, after all, still a teenager. So he and Taiga taking those stupid decisions is certainly cliched but not totally inconsistent. I laugh at the angry mob supporting a Ryuuji x Minori/Ami/anyone (Kitamura? lol) ending in a show called Toradora. Come one, you guys need to take a break, why so serious? Quite enjoyable episode. |
Ximinez said: I'm bit too old and pragmatic about life to enjoy this turn of events in high-school romantic comedy. This whole school dumping, run away from home and marriage plans are unnecessary exaggeration. My thoughts exactly. |
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De-JaY said: But episode 23 was horrible lol. So I guess we are complete opposites on this, I thought 23 was bad and 24 was even worse.I think this episode was even more awesome than episode 23. |
| Loved this episode, it had great humor but also great drama, kind off sucked they interupted the romantic scene in the water xD I really think they won't get married, probably his grandparents tells him a story about his mother and they reconsider, when they get back to school i think ryuji is going to finish school en taiga will just become his girlfriend etc etc, i do hope we get to see some romantic scene's between ryuji and taiga. :D :D I also think they rush the serie a little to much, i have no idea how they are going to end this serie in 22 min. max ?? There are still to many things to come. I think a ova and a movie is going to give us the real ending. ?? Everything will become clear in 1 VERY long week xD |
| Well, I am now very well of how all of the great Fall '08 2 season shows are winding down. Toradora! became too dramatic, but I thought some parts of this episode were great. Everything is finally coming to an end, and T_T @ Ya-chan getting yelled at. Kitamura, Ami, and Kushieda all giving up things for Taiga and Takusa was almost a "lol" moment. Only 1 episode left! |
| ryuuji yelling at his mother like that was awesome. i was really glad he opened her eyes to how childish she was. tho her running away isn't any different unless she is going back to school. |
| That was such a CUTE episode! :D |
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ironchefflip said: Jarmel said: All I'm saying it's a silly argument to make that just because two characters of opposite sex are in the title that they are automatically going to be together romantically. I guess by that logic, people should pretty much know the ending to "Marie & Gali" next season. Ok first off the pairing is IN the title. If that is not one huge giveaway then I don't even know where to begin. Jarmel said: ... So are you saying Taiga's love is based on dependence and abandonment issues? Yeah, that's romantic love... As for her not not being a coward: she said no to Kitamura out of fear, she continued with her inability to tell him she liked him, she did not want to deal with her dad until Ryuuji pretty much guilted her into it. If anything, he likes her because she makes him feel needed, like he thought his mom did (oh, mom issues). I guess these two are just a couple of needy individuals that belong together because no one else will validate those feelings. But all this is not related to the point of my previous post: Men and Women can be just friends. Sure they sometimes get together, but they also don't. Just because a guy does nice things for a friend: like cook, try to make sure they get along with their parents, or try and save their life; it doesn't have to mean he's hitting on her. He could just be a caring person, you know, a friend. i completely agree with you here, i really don't think he understands the point your making. i was hoping for toradora to be a romance where the main 2 didn't end up together. and seriously people stop saying just cause its called toradora means they would end up together. the title doesen't say that AT ALL. |
ani said: juando said: everyone is sad that the season is ending, but hey, next season is looking pretty awesome i'm like 99.99999% sure that there is no second season. unless you mean next season of animes and then i have no idea what to watch myself :) except fma2. yea, i meant spring season |
| @NoteDHero Well it depends on how you look at it but it certainly didn't feel as if he was elated that he was free of his mother's grasp. It seems that he realized he was being a burden to her(the whole working bit was not about him making money but rather not being dependent on her and not forcing her to overextend her self, as it would seem with her getting sick) and decided to run away to make it easier on her. I would say it's closer to self loathing rather than pity. The whole "I wish I had never been born" was also accompanied by that hand grasp of the bridge which seemed to indicate anger or sadness to an extent. I think Taiga kinda jumped the gun but it helped get him out of the funk he was. While I don't think he was contemplating suicide, I certainly think he was getting there since if he was dead Yatsuko wouldn't have to support him, although I don't think it would have gotten that far. Hence his line about her redoing high school(the whole fight might have been his way of telling her to go back to school and worry about herself). I still think he was in a serious funk and the marry me was a snap decision but there were some other emotional issues involved(other than love). AS for the whole running away aspect, indeed he is acting like a child, but I feel it's slightly poetic as I mentioned previously this whole show is pretty much about running away from one''s problems so it fits that the last arc is literally about someone running away. I do think it was supposed to be out of character for Ryuuji, in that the author intentionally planned it like this, as it was always shown for him to be the calm and rational one despite him having problems of his own and bottling away his own emotions. @ironchefflip It's not just the title but all the things along the way. If you missed all the subtle hints then you probably need to rewatch the show. As for the dependence and abandonment issues, to a degree, yes. Not every marriage in the real world is based on some idealistic romance but rather real emotional things. As for Kitamura, I would argue and say no to that. When Kitamura asked her out, it was just another rejection for her. I believe she became interested in him afterwards and had forgot about the whole confession thing. As for her dad, she knew that she probably was going to get hurt depending on past confrontations but did it anyway for Ryuuji's sake. Part of the early premise was that they banded together(once again rewatch the kicking the lightpost scene) since they were outacsts in the class. You're right that men and women can be just friends, this just doesn't happen to be the case. Besides who else is he going to end up with? He spent the most time knowing Taiga while Ami talked in circles around his head and Minorin dodged him for 3/4 of the show. Once again if you don't think Taiga is the best fit for him, fine. He however in his own fictional world disagrees and that is all that matters. |
JarmelMar 20, 2009 4:22 PM
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| They should have made the season 26 episodes and split this into 2 to include an actual CONFESSION in a scene somewhere BEFORE that reckless, random, funny proposal. I froze when Ryuuji screamed that "...and marry me!" I had absolutely no idea what to think. Still, Toradora! serves for good entertainment. Amin and Minorin win this episode. Would've liked to see more snowballing. Hope they at least wrap the show up in a good way. |
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| I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that he was happy to run away. I was saying thay you were blowing things out of proportion by saying that this was a very low point in his life. So low that he was contemplating suicide. Yes, Ryuuji was at a low point, but I don't think it was lower than realizing Taiga liked him or being rejected by Minori. Ryuuji didn't "realize" he was being a burden. After everything that happened on the trip with Taiga, and subsequently "loosing" her so he could have Minori, he started to miss her and look at himself as selfish. He then projected those feelings onto Yasuko, and to feel better about himself he decided to pull a Taiga and try to detach from his mother. Yasuko realized what he was going through, and in her own way (as parents tend to do) she tried to ease his mind with "Seeing you study makes you sparkle." But it was too late. Ryuuji was already quite far in self-pity mode, and Minori's uncalled for confrontaion with Taiga exacerbated everything. So he and Taiga confessed together too early and now they're getting married. You're right. Toradora is about people running away (I like to see it more as people not being honest with themselves), and even though this is an iteration of that theme, it still was way too rushed and totally inconsistent with almost every character. That's why I don't like it. I've said it before. It was clear as daylight that the show was headed toward Taiga/Ryuuji. But they just didn't give enough time to develop the relationship in a proper manner, let alone develop Ryuuji, who has only been reactionary in everyone else's growth. Everything was much too abrupt from the Christmas arc on. All of the great characterization, metaphor, and slow development was thrown out the window. |
Kitcha said: What I'm irritated about is that we actually got a Ryuuji Taiga end. Yes, it was obvious. Yes, it was kind of the sole purpose of the show. But that's why I hate it, I expected at least one relationship plottwist that would shatter the Ryuuji Taiga pairing. I was personally hoping he would somehow get Minori somehow. noteDhero said: But they just didn't give enough time to develop the relationship in a proper manner, let alone develop Ryuuji, who has only been reactionary in everyone else's growth. gotta agree with that one there, there just wasn't enough time. I thought it was random as hell though they they just decided to run off and get married. really wasn't expecting that there. |
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| Uwahahaha! An elopement! I love anime, you hear me? LOVE IT! And you know, if they get married first and never kiss until they do, then they could totally tell their kids,"We had a conservative marriage" and totally take advantage of that xDDDD Of course, that's not about to happen. |
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| Zomg? Yes... definitely zomg. |
| D: it makes me sad to know that amazingly adorable and romantic things like these only happen in anime. 4/5 for me. I agree, the pace was fast but I think if it was any slower, the series would've dragged on for me. Excited for the finale! |
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| So, I bet a lot of people are pissed off by the direction this episode went. I was not one of them. I've always loved the dramatic, and this episode was full of drama. And a bunch of funny moments, too. The Ryuuji/Taiga shipper in me head a heart attack and died. They went to his grandparents! The chocolate! Ryuuji in Kitamura's clothes! MARRIED. OMFG. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ |
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Zelgato said: Ximinez said: I'm bit too old and pragmatic about life to enjoy this turn of events in high-school romantic comedy. This whole school dumping, run away from home and marriage plans are unnecessary exaggeration. My thoughts exactly. And I as well. It's a shame really. I was quite enjoying ToraDora up until episode 23 with that ridiculous intervention scene. The behaviour of these characters has become far too exaggerated for me and the whole marriage turn of events is not helping. |
| This was just unacceptable. Ya-chan is too sweet and innocent for that kind of shit. |
ChanshidoMar 20, 2009 5:39 PM
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| I haven't read the novel yet D: Or at least haven't finished... The english translations are mighty slow... But the ep is awesome xD |
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ironchefflip said: Men and Women can be just friends. Sure they sometimes get together, but they also don't. Just because a guy does nice things for a friend: like cook, try to make sure they get along with their parents, or try and save their life; it doesn't have to mean he's hitting on her. He could just be a caring person, you know, a friend. Wrong. Let me explain something people easily misunderstand and like to call the "friends zone." For guys, this "zone" is like a platter. A girl can easily fall off it. :) They will not be friends with a girl they do not think is attractive on some level, and although the girl may be on their B or C list, if the girl exhibits interest in pursuing a relationship with said guy friend, the guy will gladly take the girl off said platter. :D For girls, the zone is metaphorically a black hole. When girls are friends with a guy (and aren`t actually lying about it) said guys will never ever be able to crawl out of the black hole of friendship. End of story. Seriously. Every relationship of my friends or mine that I`ve witnessed conforms to this pattern. In Toradora, Ryuuji is very obviously attracted to Taiga, and although he puts Minorin on his A list and Taiga on his B list (in his mind), you can see how as Taiga exhibits more affection and interest in him, he takes her out of the "friend zone." For Taiga, ever since her confession to Kitamura it was obvious she was lying when she said Ryuuji was just a friend. She didn`t realize it was a lie until she was about to lose him (many episodes later). Props to Kitamura for picking up on it. I think I felt some disconnect with this episode though, because the characters are acting irrationally, with decisions based solely on emotions, and I can`t identify with that very much (being a very rational person). |
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| First off let me say, whoever was still hoping for anything beyond taigaxryuuji is a moron, im sorry but that hasn't been a valid choice for like 9 episodes, being delusional about whats happening is not the same thing as saying YOU like minorin better. Now my thoughts on this episode. 1. Ryuuji's actions regarding his mother. He said exactly what was happening. And the mother ran away because of it. Ryuuji has to choose his own future to be truely happy, having your mother work herself to death to earn money to send you to college isn't going to make anyone happy. She was so deep into her life's regret that she was willing to be unhappy for Ryuuji, Ryuuji wanted them both to be happy. He had to say what he did to make his mother accept her own life. As he said, she's young still too(most likely 30-34). 2. Marriage? WATDAHFUX?! Just kidding. Seriously, they were basically living together for months and months, they know each other right now better then most couples or even other fiancee's do, since they got to know each others true selves rather then the self you want your partner to see. What was he to say to her? Let's start dating? What would they do? The exact same thing they have been doing, only kissing once in awhile. But they are at the apex of their life, what is going to happen to them? After high school what are they going to do? Go to college? Work? They most likely would end up splitting apart and going their own ways, Ryuuji going to college(or working out of a apartment after argueing with his mom later on). And Taiga probably moving away with her mother or living with Ryuuji(if he had a apartment). He asked her to marry him when he turns 18 so he is bonded with her that nobody can break them apart. In these situations, what would generally happen would them being split apart due to their future paths diverging and them losing their love over it. If they are married then they have to face the future together, be it a better or worse individual future, we won't ever know, but together they can at least try to be happy. 3. Running away? Let's assume they didn't run away. And that Ryuuji's mother didn't run away or change her viewpoint. They would be split up, remember how miserable he was when he didn't see taiga for a little bit, this would be a repeat, only for a longer time, and most likely would just delay one of them running away to see the other and then eloping anyway. But it's obvious why he went to the grandparents, not to run away, but to find out what his mother wanted him to know. IMHO Ryuuji isn't running away anymore, he decided to move on his own path. |
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| The negative comments: -The Ami's house scene was bleh in every aspect. They should have cut Ami and Minori's "conclusions" and introduced them more implicitly, as I'd grown to love toradora for... -As it played out it feels like the side characters were given the short end of the stick after a series that convinced me that the side characters were being well developed without having to waste too much time on poorly structured side/character specific arcs. -Facts were off. Though I don't usually care too much about this... I didn't like the how quickly they helped Ryuuji in his run away scheme. Falling off a bridge and not getting hurt? It looked like a steep fall... etc -Bad execution. It really killed the chemistry and such. -It followed on the momentum from the last episode that I wasn't too fond of. Stance on the show overall: The chances for this series to raise to my #1 are absolutely gone now. In fact, it's impossible for this series to break my top 4. Holding on lightly to that 9 rating, too... Less negative/more positive comments: But I digress, it wasn't that bad. And it did have it's moments... -The way the episode dealt with Ryuuji and taiga's families was great. -The developments of the story was well done. The issue was with execution. And this is a big thing for me because that's what makes 99% of a show. If it's done well it would be appealing no matter how off it was. (Consider onegai teacher). -Minori's confession was decently done (needed more dramatic build up. But I suppose it is reasonable because by this time ryuuji has concluded his analysis of his own feelings). -Ryuuji's Marry Me wasn't out of place either, with accordance to above. If they'd set the atmosphere up a little better I would have said it was even great. It is likely victim to my disgruntled attitude to the episode as a whole. Edit: Added more structure for readability. I need to stop these horrible rambling posts. |
asandariMar 20, 2009 5:55 PM
aranelcharis said: My guess is that you may have guy friends and you're saying this simply to boost your own self-esteem to think they want you in some regard. Either that or you have a very low and stereotypical view of men, probably based on you hanging around immature guys. It is very possible for two attractive, plain, and/or ugly people to just be friends, from both female and male POV. Also with your logic, how do women that are conventionally seen as unattractive, have male friends who agree with the notion that they are unattractive? ironchefflip said: Wrong. Let me explain something people easily misunderstand and like to call the "friends zone." For guys, this "zone" is like a platter. A girl can easily fall off it. :) They will not be friends with a girl they do not think is attractive on some level, and although the girl may be on their B or C list, if the girl exhibits interest in pursuing a relationship with said guy friend, the guy will gladly take the girl off said platter. :DMen and Women can be just friends. Sure they sometimes get together, but they also don't. Just because a guy does nice things for a friend: like cook, try to make sure they get along with their parents, or try and save their life; it doesn't have to mean he's hitting on her. He could just be a caring person, you know, a friend. aranelcharis said: This statement, however, I completely agree (though in this anime, Taiga doesn't adhere to it).For girls, the zone is metaphorically a black hole. When girls are friends with a guy (and aren`t actually lying about it) said guys will never ever be able to crawl out of the black hole of friendship. End of story. Seriously. Every relationship of my friends or mine that I`ve witnessed conforms to this pattern. |
| I loved this episode. And there's only one left. :( It better be epic. |
Jarmel said: ...You're right that men and women can be just friends... Thank you, that's all I wanted to hear. And now to relate it back to where I was going: with the title of the series, "Toradora", there could have been a possibility for them to just be friends throughout the series. So people should not assume that Taiga and Ryuuji were going to end up together solely based on the title of the show. Thus using "look at the title of the show, they were bound to get together" is a silly argument to make. All that other stuff was not my main issue and I was just going along for the sake of arguing. I just wanted to point out that it was not completely inconceivable for Ryuuji to end up with Minorin or Ami. It's the script writer's story, we're just along for the ride. Whether one likes it or not is completely subjective. As I've said before, I liked the journey, just didn't like the end (as it stands with one episode left). |
ironchefflip said: My guess is that you may have guy friends and you're saying this simply to boost your own self-esteem to think they want you in some regard. Either that or you have a very low and stereotypical view of men, probably based on you hanging around immature guys. It is very possible for two attractive, plain, and/or ugly people to just be friends, from both female and male POV. Also with your logic, how do women that are conventionally seen as unattractive, have male friends who agree with the notion that they are unattractive? I don`t have that many guy friends, and the ones I have now aren`t close friends either, because they currently have girlfriends. Before you flip and claim that this fact invalidates what I wrote as well, again, this is going off the relationships of all my friends and family in addition to what I`ve experienced. Also, I think you misunderstand what I mean by "attractive." It has very little to do with being attracted to a person as far as looks go; you automatically connected "attractive" to looks (by your terms "plain" and "ugly"). What I mean by "attractive" includes looks to some extent, but more has to do with personality, character traits, similar interests, and compatible worldviews. ironchefflip said: This statement, however, I completely agree (though in this anime, Taiga doesn't adhere to it). Taiga does adhere to it. Ryuuji was never in Taiga`s friend zone. It took her a long time to realize that he wasn`t, but that`s one of the major plot points. Had to comment on this too: ironchefflip said: It's the script writer's story, we're just along for the ride. This is an anime based on a light novel, so it`s not the script writer`s story, it`s the author`s story. How many adaptations of novels completely change the pairings of the original book? |
aranelcharisMar 20, 2009 6:41 PM
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| I do have to agree with aranelcharis on this topic. Unless the guy is gay, the closer friends you are with a girl the more you want to be with her. The only reason why guys are only friends with other guys is because we don't want to have sex with them. We may not consciously want to be with the girl, but eventually we will, and it's inescapable. It's why harem animes all share a a tone of indecisiveness. Even though the main char makes choices or has preferences, he can't clear decide is because you can't be just friends. Let me ask you girls this, would you let your boyfriend go drinking with his best friend he's know for 15 years, and they are really close. If it's a woman? Chances are no. And chances are they've had sex in the past but they've sorta not continued through it. |
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| EXCELLENT episode! |
| Ahahaha. Oh wow, the pseudopsychology regarding reelationships here is even funnier than Lacanian theory. To the whole "debate" on relationships, a few tips: [citation needed], remember that the onus is on you, stop overgeneralizing, stop committing outrageous logical errors, stop extrapolating from narrow samples, take into account that humans - shocking as it may be - in fact are more than their libido. That'd be a start, at any case. Regarding the episode, it disillusioned me and was alone responsible for the show going from solid ten to very shaky nine (which I suppose should count as an achievement). Luckily I don't have to rant because asandari summed it all up nicely. |
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aranelcharis said: So then if this theory of yours is based solely on your own experiences, you have no ground to make sweeping generalizations of how guys view friendships with girls. So you cannot claim with irrefutable evidence that I am wrong that men and women can be friends. Therefore it can be possible for a platonic friendship to happen regardless of your platter theory.ironchefflip said: My guess is that you may have guy friends and you're saying this simply to boost your own self-esteem to think they want you in some regard. Either that or you have a very low and stereotypical view of men, probably based on you hanging around immature guys. It is very possible for two attractive, plain, and/or ugly people to just be friends, from both female and male POV. Also with your logic, how do women that are conventionally seen as unattractive, have male friends who agree with the notion that they are unattractive? I don`t have that many guy friends, and the ones I have now aren`t close friends either, because they currently have girlfriends. Before you flip and claim that this fact invalidates what I wrote as well, again, this is going off the relationships of all my friends and family in addition to what I`ve experienced. aranelcharis said: And I think you're misunderstanding for where I was going with my question. I agree that men can be friends with women for thing outside of looks, but just because the girl has a good personality doesn't mean they are going on the platter. Maybe the girl is just like one of the guys and that's why they are friends, only.Also, I think you misunderstand what I mean by "attractive." It has very little to do with being attracted to a person as far as looks go; you automatically connected "attractive" to looks (by your terms "plain" and "ugly"). What I mean by "attractive" includes looks to some extent, but more has to do with personality, character traits, similar interests, and compatible worldviews. aranelcharis said: I'm disinclined to agree with you. Can I ask what act(s) symbolizes the start of the friend zone period and the end of "do I like him or not?" period to help clarify it for me? Because nearly half a school year seems like a long time to not think of someone as a friend while hanging out with them while trying to ask out another guy. ironchefflip said: This statement, however, I completely agree (though in this anime, Taiga doesn't adhere to it). Taiga does adhere to it. Ryuuji was never in Taiga`s friend zone. It took her a long time to realize that he wasn`t, but that`s one of the major plot points. aranelcharis said: it's my understanding that the anime doesn't follow the novel verbatim, thus it is an adaptation done by a script writer. I wasn't referring to the pairings; I was actually referring to the way the script writer seemed to have rushed everything this episode to get Taiga and Ryuuji together. Sorry for the juxtaposition of my sentences, I should have hit Enter twice. My earlier posts also state my displeasure with pacing. I'm sure if all the development wasn't done in one episode, it could have been fleshed out better to make more sense.Had to comment on this too: ironchefflip said: It's the script writer's story, we're just along for the ride. This is an anime based on a light novel, so it`s not the script writer`s story, it`s the author`s story. How many adaptations of novels completely change the pairings of the original book? |
ironchefflipMar 20, 2009 7:21 PM
| What the hell kind of episode was this? Seriously, Toradora was my favorite anime this season until now. How dare they interrupt the kiss scene! And then then Ryuuji makes Ya-chan cry and they run away. THEN they tell their friends they are running away and everyone is like. We don't approve, but here is my life savings and the keys to my house. WTF |
cyruz said: What a great episode, very trippy and hilarious. Loving it. Exacty. It was trippy and entertaining to watch. Very much a novelty in anime. And that's why I watch anime. To search for novelty and fun. I just *love* when one person says it's crap, all others follows and it escalates. Sure, it was rushed. But does it deserve an "ending worst than DN" kind of comment? I don't think so. If you want me to name series that was truly disappointing (or those who are bad right from the start), there is more than plenty.It would not be an exaggeration to say that this anime can rank among my top 20. If you think this was crap: 1-certainly you haven't watched enough anime, or 2-you are a very harsh person XD (i.e. you truly hate it for good reasons.. this applies to you noteDhero...XD) 3-everyone else bashes it, it must be crap (bad reason) It just reminds of how, a few months ago, a South Korea actress suicided and it apparently partially due to harsh bashing of her in online forums (sure, that was not the real cause, but may have contributed to it). It brings up the fact of this incredible social phenomenon of online bashing and complaint that I am left baffled with......And seriously, I think people are overreacting over this ironchefflip said: My guess is that you may have guy friends and you're saying this simply to boost your own self-esteem to think they want you in some regard. Either that or you have a very low and stereotypical view of men, probably based on you hanging around immature guys. This is partially the reason why I am writing this. How did this escalate to personal attacks? I am intrigued by this discussion. Does most people like to bash the series, as well as others, because they feel superior? Yes, I guess so, because I am bashing you right now. And do I feel superior? No, I just feel tired and that I have been trolled by the posts (I should be watching anime instead of writing this...I have little time you know...) Now it's my revenge to troll you. *feed* *feed* *feed the heat of discussion* (i.e. *troll* *troll* *troll*) |
wakka9caMar 20, 2009 7:29 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
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