Little Busters!: Refrain Episode 12 Discussion

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shirayuki75 said:
Did anyone notice how the frames with a tear running down Komari's cheek is almost the same as the one in the first OP? Neato.

Whao
That reminds me, I'm pretty sure they were trying to avoid showing Komari's eyes while she was crying
http://i39.tinypic.com/121vorq.jpg
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http://i44.tinypic.com/15firsz.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/vgu5wn.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/69fkfb.jpg

... which I personally hate because it remind me of this guy
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Dec 23, 2013 1:06 AM

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shirayuki75 said:
Did anyone notice how the frames with a tear running down Komari's cheek is almost the same as the one in the first OP? Neato.

I noticed that too. It's exactly the same.

By the way, what did everyone have with the bus ? It seems normal to me.

Dec 23, 2013 1:35 AM

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damn what an episode.. seriously.. always speechless somehow while watching refrain :'
and.. that accident.. please.. give me a good happy ending!!! :''

Dec 23, 2013 1:48 AM

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koagzero said:

shirayuki75 said:
Did anyone notice how the frames with a tear running down Komari's cheek is almost the same as the one in the first OP? Neato.

Whao
That reminds me, I'm pretty sure they were trying to avoid showing Komari's eyes while she was crying
http://i39.tinypic.com/121vorq.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2quhkbb.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/15firsz.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/vgu5wn.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/69fkfb.jpg

... which I personally hate because it remind me of this guy
http://i39.tinypic.com/2nkuovk.jpg

She is hiding her geass obviously.

Dec 23, 2013 2:36 AM

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RediceRyan said:
Good episode mostly.
It was sad but not as impactful as I think it could have been.

Wow, was I the only one who actually teared up even more than last episode here?

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Dec 23, 2013 3:13 AM

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DaBackpack said:

Gonna spoiler my reply and arguments because I know people don't care to see them

Yeah, some people just look at Little Busters like "The source material was weak anyway, so it's fine if the anime turns out to be weak".
That is honestly the most retarded and ignorant argument I've ever heard in my year on these forums, and I can't help but laugh and ignore it at this point.
Going to watch an adaptation of something that you don't care for and saying "Well, I didn't care in the VN, and I don't care in the anime, so JC Staff is doing a fine job." is beyond hilarious.

When the Key said "Anime adaptations of bishoujo-games used to result in inferior products. In fact I didn’t particularly like them. (Vava cites Kanon’s first anime to which he said: “Please stop making these awful adaptations of our games!” He pleaded.) but now they do not. Anime technology have grown leaps and bounds. In fact now they are able to go beyond the original work." I actually support this idea. It just takes more effort and a better budget than what JC Staff could do for Little Busters.

I love the fact that there are anime-only watchers who love the show, but for the ones who reached the Refrain arc without ever feeling engaged in the story... I just can't understand. It's easy to figure out why they'd rate Angel Beats a 10 and Little Busters a 4, and it's because animation and smoothness in execution of the drama is engaging. Nothing in Little Busters looks like AB episode 10.

Anyway, I'd rather not point out distracting quality and lack of logic in the show to prove my point, because JCfags will still try to defend what they've done just because they came up with a few decent ideas for how to organize the story. Too bad that they couldn't put this same effort you guys praise them for into building up and actually adapting the dramatic scenes from VN.

There hasn't been a single episode of Little Busters where I didn't think "This could be done a lot better."

It's whatever. The VN readers who think JC Staff is doing a great job are either not quite attentive to execution, didn't think the Little Busters VN was good, or are such huge Little Busters fans that they'll enjoy anything related to it.
True fans of the VN's execution and those who can imagine how the transition to anime could've improved are already convinced by my arguments.

The Little Busters anime will be forgotten at this rate, and that's a depressing thin to know. No one wants to watch the most dropped show of 2012/2013 (Little Busters season 1) to try to reach Refrain.

Vladz0rDec 23, 2013 3:25 AM

Dec 23, 2013 3:38 AM

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"True fans" is a load of bullshit.

Wafuu~

Dec 23, 2013 4:14 AM

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hackrabbits said:

RediceRyan said:
Good episode mostly.
It was sad but not as impactful as I think it could have been.

Wow, was I the only one who actually teared up even more than last episode here?

I did tear up these past two episodes, but more at episode 11 :x

Dec 23, 2013 4:30 AM

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@Vlad I'm one of those that is "such a huge fan i will enjoy anything related to little busters", and I think that would be considered more of a true fan than just thinking everything could have been done better >.> well, I agree with your points anyway about how it's not as good as it could be, just putting that little bit of my opinion there.

Dec 23, 2013 4:40 AM

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Mm, I think the words I used were pretty harsh and incorrect.
Also, pls change your signature from Urobunchi Gen to "Gen Urobuchi", since you reversed his first and last name and also mispelled it.

I'd be interested to see how Urobuchi and Shinbo would adapt Little Busters with Shaft. It'd never happen, but it's fun to think about it.

I think I misrepresented "true fans", fans of anything Little Busters, and fans of the story's original execution, but it's a little late to change what I wrote.
It feels like I'm some outcast because I liked Little Busters not just because of its colorful cast and personalities, but because of how believable I felt it was, and just because I don't feel like the adaptation is up to par, people are upset at that fact and like to detract from it with other arguments.

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If Gen Urobuchi adapted it, not only would we get the normal end...the kyousuke episode would have been super psychological and like 3 episodes long.

Dec 23, 2013 4:52 AM

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@Vlad Ahhh okay thanks Vlad, dayum i feel like an idiot now Q.Q google-sensei betrayed me in getting the name right

btw i wasn't intending to sound harsh in my reply either, just in case it seemed that way, I'm not good with wording stuff

now to make this post related to the episode, I think it shows that the girls weren't really that close with the main 5 (at least in the anime) since they weren't sitting with each other, and in the dream world they would have done that? I dunno :3

Dec 23, 2013 4:53 AM

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hyperknees91 said:
If Gen Urobuchi adapted it, not only would we get the normal end...the kyousuke episode would have been super psychological and like 3 episodes long.

I'd imagine it being really shocking and like a Madoka-esque revelation.
He'd definitely at least present characters really interestingly. It would be funny to hear people call it a Madoka clone, though, because Urobuchi + Shaft.

Imagining the headtilts and intense scenes in my head is fun enough, I guess.

smilewolfy said:

btw i wasn't intending to sound harsh in my reply either, just in case it seemed that way, I'm not good with wording stuff

I was referring to my own hostile comments. I write so much shit in these threads, and it just shows that I can't come to one concise opinion about this adaptation. It's impossible for me unless I abandon my knowledge and opinions of the VN.

As for the girls thing, I think I've come up with some new and simple evidence for the LB pre-bus incident thing.
Rin and Riki needed to become stronger, so of course, and Riki wasn't strong because he hadn't helped the girls.
Rin was shy and weak in the real world, and that leads me to believe that she wasn't even close to Komari pre-incident. I'd have to think that they were just classmates, and that a lot of the touchy feely relationships of the dream world that include Rin were to break her out of her shell.

I think that the majority of the Little Busters' friendship was something built up in the dream world. The main 5 wouldn't really have a reason to suddenly expand their ideas...

The one thing, though, is that Riki asks Kyousuke to come up with something fun to do, to which he comes up with the baseball team idea. Riki presumably would've done the same thing in the real world, but I guess Kyousuke wouldn't have the motivation to form the team and bring all the girls in or anything.

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Dec 23, 2013 5:01 AM

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One episode for Kyousuke is enough in my opinion. JC Staff did this one correctly, but I would have done some things differently. Mainly the flashbacks. Instead of using strange picture cuttings with re-used scenes from last season, I would have just made "normal" scenes with Kyousuke point of view. Showing the comedy parts would have been great also, but it couldn't be done with how JC Staff handled those. Less blood would have make it more realistic also.

Dec 23, 2013 5:05 AM

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Vladz0r said:

smilewolfy said:

btw i wasn't intending to sound harsh in my reply either, just in case it seemed that way, I'm not good with wording stuff

I was referring to my own hostile comments. I write so much shit in these threads, and it just shows that I can't come to one concise opinion about this adaptation. It's impossible for me unless I abandon my knowledge and opinions of the VN.

As for the girls thing, I think I've come up with some new and simple evidence for the LB pre-bus incident thing.
Rin and Riki needed to become stronger, so of course, and Riki wasn't strong because he hadn't helped the girls.
Rin was shy and weak in the real world, and that leads me to believe that she wasn't even close to Komari pre-incident. I'd have to think that they were just classmates, and that a lot of the touchy feely relationships of the dream world that include Rin were to break her out of her shell.

I think that the majority of the Little Busters' friendship was something built up in the dream world. The main 5 wouldn't really have a reason to suddenly expand their ideas...

The one thing, though, is that Riki asks Kyousuke to come up with something fun to do, to which he comes up with the baseball team idea. Riki presumably would've done the same thing in the real world, but I guess Kyousuke wouldn't have the motivation to form the team and bring all the girls in or anything.

I'm pretty sure the baseball team didn't exist in the real world. They were all classmates, not friends and Haruka went in their class sometimes because she knew Kurugaya since their first year. Also, I don't think Riki coming up with the baseball thing in Refrain is connected with the real world, it was clear he kept a few memories or "instinct" (can't find the right word, hope you'll get my point anyway) from the previous loops.

Dec 23, 2013 5:11 AM

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Oh yeah, another reason for Haruka to sneak onto the bus would be because Kurugaya was on it. Sasuga Anego!

I was thinking the Riki coming up with baseball part could be an instinct thing, but doesn't it also happen in the first loop? I don't think we can presume that loops have happened before starting the VN, because Kengo only saves Miyuki each time after the first playthrough.

Riki brings it up on the first playthrough (just checked a youtube playthrough).
Man, I almost want to re-read the entire VN from scratch... but muh backlog.

Dec 23, 2013 5:13 AM

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Vladz0r said:
Oh yeah, another reason for Haruka to sneak onto the bus would be because Kurugaya was on it. Sasuga Anego!

I was thinking the Riki coming up with baseball part could be an instinct thing, but doesn't it also happen in the first loop? I don't think we can presume that loops have happened before starting the VN, because Kengo only saves Miyuki each time after the first playthrough.

Riki brings it up on the first playthrough (just checked a youtube playthrough).
Man, I almost want to re-read the entire VN from scratch... but muh backlog.

I want to re-read it again even if the first time was only a few months ago... but I've got so much VNs to read actually...

Riki didn't brings it up. Kyousuke did. Riki just wanted to do something with everyone like when they were kids.

Dec 23, 2013 5:27 AM

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Ol-Hybrius said:

Riki didn't brings it up. Kyousuke did. Riki just wanted to do something with everyone like when they were kids.

I know that.
>The one thing, though, is that Riki asks Kyousuke to come up with something fun to do, to which he (Kyousuke) comes up with the baseball team idea.

I should've changed the "he" to Kyousuke to be more clear there.

Dec 23, 2013 5:38 AM

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Vladz0r said:

Ol-Hybrius said:

Riki didn't brings it up. Kyousuke did. Riki just wanted to do something with everyone like when they were kids.

I know that.
>The one thing, though, is that Riki asks Kyousuke to come up with something fun to do, to which he (Kyousuke) comes up with the baseball team idea.

I should've changed the "he" to Kyousuke to be more clear there.

Kyouske chose baseball as a pretext to gather everyone in the dream world. Pretty sure he just came up with the silly games he used to in the real world. :)

Dec 23, 2013 6:27 AM

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Ol-Hybrius said:
One episode for Kyousuke is enough in my opinion. JC Staff did this one correctly, but I would have done some things differently. Mainly the flashbacks. Instead of using strange picture cuttings with re-used scenes from last season, I would have just made "normal" scenes with Kyousuke point of view. Showing the comedy parts would have been great also, but it couldn't be done with how JC Staff handled those. Less blood would have make it more realistic also.

Couldn't agree more, but a lot of ppl liked the episode (Episode 10) regardless.
How nice it would've been if they did it Anohana style, Kyousuke standing on the baseball field watching the Little Busters play in front of him, rather than watching a movie through a baseball. And the way they reused so many S1 scenes made it look like they were just saving a huge freaking load of budget. That was the one episode I really hated.

In contrast, I think this episode (Episode 12) would be my fav episode in the season, just if you cut off the part where Rin said "Yosh" and smiled like the sun in front of the camera. It broke the mood completely.

And sorry for discussing Episode 10 I couldn't help it, but you guys shouldn't be discussing the VN stuff here either btw :X

Dec 23, 2013 6:45 AM

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In contrast, I think this episode (Episode 12) would be my fav episode in the season, just if you cut off the part where Rin said "Yosh" and smiled like the sun in front of the camera. It broke the mood completely.

Oh man, this scene at the end is just so funny.
http://puu.sh/5VByT
http://puu.sh/5VBzM
It would be great if JC Staff was (VN spoiler)

I was satisfied with Kurugaya smuggling Rin <3

Dec 23, 2013 6:50 AM

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The ending song broke the mood more than Rin optimism to me. Also, her voice sounds kinda weird when she say "I'll save everyone", but maybe it's just me. Quite irrelevant, anyway.

Dec 23, 2013 6:59 AM

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Vladz0r said:
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woooo that would be great. i think ive become a saddist recently.

Vladz0r said:
I was satisfied with Kurugaya smuggling Rin <3

Kurugaya for best girl~ (in this season at least)

Dec 23, 2013 7:32 AM

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Ol-Hybrius said:
One episode for Kyousuke is enough in my opinion. JC Staff did this one correctly, but I would have done some things differently. Mainly the flashbacks. Instead of using strange picture cuttings with re-used scenes from last season, I would have just made "normal" scenes with Kyousuke point of view. Showing the comedy parts would have been great also, but it couldn't be done with how JC Staff handled those. Less blood would have make it more realistic also.

That was not "strange picture cuttings" , it's a hint. There was a door in the blue sky, and it's also a hint. They drop hints here and there, everywhere. However, people tend to see what they want to see, and ignore those what they are not familiar. Human being.

You didn't talk about the door in the blue sky, because you (we?) don't even know what it is.

Dec 23, 2013 7:41 AM

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http://puu.sh/5W5uQ.jpg
Obviously the sky can be seen, but it's still a pretty jagged editing job, intentional or not.

I thought most of the effects were pretty good that episode, though.
http://puu.sh/5W5wT.jpg
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http://puu.sh/5W5yo.jpg
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People just remember the few bad or weaker ones, and the fact that most of the animation this episode was re-used from season 1 left a bad impression on some people who wanted more re-animated scenes.

I would've like to see more expressions and creativity for Kyousuke's character as he unveiled some parts of the Secret. It gets the point across and it's an interesting recap, but it could've been like truly seeing the entire story from his perspective if there was more budget to re-animate the scenes in his perspective. Just because it's not necessary to do for the story to function properly doesn't mean it wouldn't have been great to do.

Dec 23, 2013 9:08 AM

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Mio, Kurugaya. They will be good narrators. Kud is cute always.

Dec 23, 2013 3:48 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks that the series is dragging on a bit? I could barely keep focus this episode as I watched the 3000th goodbye parade from the LBs and co.

The plot twists in the middle of this season won't be enough to make up for the 30 - episode build up. As someone who hasn't read the comics, I'm seriously hoping for one last plot twist to make watching this worthwhile...

Not trolling, just stating my opinion.

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Am I the only one who thinks that the series is dragging on a bit? I could barely keep focus this episode as I watched the 3000th goodbye parade from the LBs and co.

The plot twists in the middle of this season won't be enough to make up for the 30 - episode build up. As someone who hasn't read the comics, I'm seriously hoping for one last plot twist to make watching this worthwhile...

Not trolling, just stating my opinion.

No, there are other people who were actually able to do the same thing as you:
They watched the show, got through all the character development, comedy, thematic messages, character conflicts and characterization, relationship development, and then claim that nothing actually happened but "buildup to a main plot twist".

Statistically, your kind is in the minority http://puu.sh/5WzVg.png

Well, as to how the series can be "dragging on" when there's a fucking bus about to explode that has been mentioned for at least a few episodes now, internal conflicts between Riki trying to go against Kyousuke's will since he has followed him for 30+ episodes, and farewells left to be had between Rin and the girls.

I'm sorry that the show feels like it's dragging on by not just skipping to the finale, but the characters will keep having internal conflicts and keep being developed as they always have. Although, that doesn't seem to be what you're actually here for, since you seem to value the "plot twists" or something, and not the substance that makes up the story.

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Vladz0r said:

guntrix said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the series is dragging on a bit? I could barely keep focus this episode as I watched the 3000th goodbye parade from the LBs and co.

The plot twists in the middle of this season won't be enough to make up for the 30 - episode build up. As someone who hasn't read the comics, I'm seriously hoping for one last plot twist to make watching this worthwhile...

Not trolling, just stating my opinion.

No, there are other people who were actually able to do the same thing as you:
They watched the show, got through all the character development, comedy, thematic messages, character conflicts and characterization, relationship development, and then claim that nothing actually happened but "buildup to a main plot twist".

Statistically, your kind is in the minority http://puu.sh/5WzVg.png

Well, as to how the series can be "dragging on" when there's a fucking bus about to explode that has been mentioned for at least a few episodes now, internal conflicts between Riki trying to go against Kyousuke's will since he has followed him for 30+ episodes, and farewells left to be had between Rin and the girls.

I'm sorry that the show feels like it's dragging on by not just skipping to the finale, but the characters will keep having internal conflicts and keep being developed as they always have. Although, that doesn't seem to be what you're actually here for, since you seem to value the "plot twists" or something, and not the substance that makes up the story.

this 'substance' you talk about... after about 30 episodes of bonding and buildup, all I want is to see some drama or anything that shakes things up for that matter... If I wanted to see a series about friends bonding, I'd have stuck with 'Non Non Biyori' or 'Ano Natsu de Matteru...'

The bus crash has been illustrated for quite a few episodes now, it's not something groundbreaking to say the least... Yes, the refrain has been interesting for the most part but goddam, 38 episodes in and it's finally getting intense with the bus crash.

Again, not trying to bash the show. If there were a prize for character development this show would win it no doubt. However, for a show that had a lot of hype and kept viewers intact during season 1 on the basis that the refrain was gonna be one big mind blow, this isn't exactly up there.

LBs isn't a bad show, don't get me wrong. It's definitely above average. However, for all the hype it got, it has definitely been underwhelming (at least for me). Ask yourself, if you could go back and watch all 38 episodes leading up to this, would you?

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Vladz0r said:

Statistically, your kind is in the minority http://puu.sh/5WzVg.png

This is true but it seems like there's a good amount of people rating this episode 3 and below, unlike the last episode.

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I don't really understand how you wouldn't define the bus incident as "drama to shake things up", but oh well.
The entire crisis with Riki trying to keep his friends but having to let go of Kurugaya, being forced into a relationship with Rin only to have to let her go away due to Kyousuke's plan, being put through a time loop with the dissolution of the Little Busters, having to re-recruit each of the Little Busters, and now having to face the reality that's he's woken up to are just some of the events in this season, but I guess they're not "drama" by your definition.

I'm not really sure what you'd consider to be drama.

And Refrain not being a mindblow has somewhat to do with how it was adapted and how obvious the Secret was, but also to do with how you don't really seem to like any of the bonding and friendship that defines the Little Busters series. Did the idea that losing these friends through the bus incident not ever across to you as a dramatic crisis? I guess it's not drama if you can't relate with the characters, but if Riki existed, I don't think he would define all the shit he's gone through as anything but drama that has shaken up his otherwise normal life.

As for whether I'd watch everything leading up to this, well, I read the visual novel and reread parts multiple times, and watched the anime as well. I enjoyed the characters and their drama, because for some reason, my brain interprets the crises each of the Little Busters characters have as "drama" and not just "bonding."

I personally don't think the show quite lived up to the hype because of JC Staff, but it feels like you don't really see any conflict that the show has presented as anything more than sunshine and butterflies.

guntrix said:

Vladz0r said:

Statistically, your kind is in the minority http://puu.sh/5WzVg.png

This is true but it seems like there's a good amount of people rating this episode 3 and below, unlike the last episode.

This episode was pretty slow, but we've reached a sort of discussion of the series as a whole and what the definition of drama is. He said that this show was all friendship bonding and buildup, and I don't really get that.

So yeah, someone please properly define drama for me, because Webster's Dictionary definition seems to indicate that Little Busters has had drama for at least half of the show's episodes, but they could easily be wrong.

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Vladz0r said:
I don't really understand how you wouldn't define the bus incident as "drama to shake things up", but oh well.
The entire crisis with Riki trying to keep his friends but having to let go of Kurugaya, being forced into a relationship with Rin only to have to let her go away due to Kyousuke's plan, being put through a time loop with the dissolution of the Little Busters, having to re-recruit each of the Little Busters, and now having to face the reality that's he's woken up to are just some of the events in this season, but I guess they're not "drama" by your definition.

I'm not really sure what you'd consider to be drama.

And Refrain not being a mindblow has somewhat to do with how it was adapted and how obvious the Secret was, but also to do with how you don't really seem to like any of the bonding and friendship that defines the Little Busters series. Did the idea that losing these friends through the bus incident not ever across to you as a dramatic crisis? I guess it's not drama if you can't relate with the characters, but if Riki existed, I don't think he would define all the shit he's gone through as anything but drama that has shaken up his otherwise normal life.

As for whether I'd watch everything leading up to this, well, I read the visual novel and reread parts multiple times, and watched the anime as well. I enjoyed the characters and their drama, because for some reason, my brain interprets the crises each of the Little Busters characters have as "drama" and not just "bonding."

I personally don't think the show quite lived up to the hype because of JC Staff, but it feels like you don't really see any conflict that the show has presented as anything more than sunshine and butterflies.

guntrix said:

Vladz0r said:

Statistically, your kind is in the minority http://puu.sh/5WzVg.png

This is true but it seems like there's a good amount of people rating this episode 3 and below, unlike the last episode.

This episode was pretty slow, but we've reached a sort of discussion of the series as a whole and what the definition of drama is. He said that this show was all friendship bonding and buildup, and I don't really get that.

I think you're making my points sound a little extreme.

It's not a bad show. Maybe you're right, maybe I'm underwhelmed because of the producers and their potential (seeing their previous series). It seems like there's a healthy amount of people that agree that this show hasn't lived up to its hype though, some more than others (like me).

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guntrix said:

this 'substance' you talk about... after about 30 episodes of bonding and buildup, all I want is to see some drama or anything that shakes things up for that matter... If I wanted to see a series about friends bonding, I'd have stuck with 'Non Non Biyori' or 'Ano Natsu de Matteru...'

The bus crash has been illustrated for quite a few episodes now, it's not something groundbreaking to say the least... Yes, the refrain has been interesting for the most part but goddam, 38 episodes in and it's finally getting intense with the bus crash.

So, this was an intense episode which is the bus crash episode. Ano Natsu is a romantic comedy, not really a friendship story I think.

guntrix said:

Again, not trying to bash the show. If there were a prize for character development this show would win it no doubt. However, for a show that had a lot of hype and kept viewers intact during season 1 on the basis that the refrain was gonna be one big mind blow, this isn't exactly up there.

LBs isn't a bad show, don't get me wrong. It's definitely above average. However, for all the hype it got, it has definitely been underwhelming (at least for me). Ask yourself, if you could go back and watch all 38 episodes leading up to this, would you?

If you didn't want to watch Season 1 again, (I recommend you to watch it again after Season 2 Episode 13) then you may want to watch Seanson 2 again to find out those things you didn't know yet while watching first time.

If you are really busy then here is a list of Season 1 episodes you may want to watch again: Episode 1, 2, 9, 11, 15, 19, 20, 24, 25, 26.

fauztyDec 23, 2013 5:03 PM

Dec 23, 2013 5:16 PM

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Wow this episode just got straight to the true end :o

hope the Ending is Great

Dec 23, 2013 5:18 PM

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AcezHarfianz said:
Wow this episode just got straight to the true end :o

hope the Ending is Great

Dec 23, 2013 5:38 PM

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guntrix said:
It seems like there's a healthy amount of people that agree that this show hasn't lived up to its hype though, some more than others (like me).

I wonder why.. couldn't be JC's fault, could it? =P

Is anyone else disappointed because today FEELS like a Saturday, but it's actually a Monday? I want to see the final episode and be done with this series. Sad to say it's one I won't be watching again though =/

Dec 23, 2013 5:55 PM

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I never play LBs VN, so I can't say about the endings, but i don't know...
It looks like it will end with Riki and Rin saving everyone, "I will save everyone"...

It just doesn't look right to me, it would look like everything was in vain, I always though that the whole Kyousuke's plan was to make them stronger so they would be able to carry on and overcome this tragedy, wait not only this tragedy but everything in their lives from now and not become strong to save everyone.

I really want a happy ending where everybody lives, but it just doesn't look right. Even though, no doubts I will enjoy the ending, it has been a great series.

Dec 23, 2013 6:47 PM

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guntrix said:

Vladz0r said:

Statistically, your kind is in the minority http://puu.sh/5WzVg.png

This is true but it seems like there's a good amount of people rating this episode 3 and below, unlike the last episode.

I don't think you're a vn reader so... ◉◞౪◟◉
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=709605&show=200#msg27134083

Dec 23, 2013 7:42 PM

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Witnessing dat bus crash and poor Masato and Kengo T_T.
(Slight lol @ Kyosuke being hidden within the bus,before the horrid crash happened.)

Nice to see everyone again,I miss them so much ;__;.

Nice character development for Rin too,thought she was lacking some.Really hope she can figure a way save everyone.

Dec 24, 2013 5:38 AM

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MagicFlier said:

guntrix said:

This is true but it seems like there's a good amount of people rating this episode 3 and below, unlike the last episode.

I don't think you're a vn reader so... ◉◞౪◟◉
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=709605&show=200#msg27134083

This is true. There's no episode in this entire SERIES with as many 1s as this episode, and the hate from VN readers (myself included, I gave it a 1, sup?) with the huge and unexpected changes from the VN resulted in that score.

Luckily, the changes didn't make the episode terrible for anime-only watchers, but I'm sure they'd have felt much more emotion this episode if JC Staff even had the balls that Maeda had (which wasn't much, considering

And my thoughts on how this series is wrapping up (VN/Anime Ending spoilers)

Dec 24, 2013 6:06 AM

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Just waiting on the ass pull that will bring everyone back and the Little Busters to live again once more. Can't wait. :D

Dec 24, 2013 6:16 AM

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destructo22 said:
Just waiting on the ass pull that will bring everyone back and the Little Busters to live again once more. Can't wait. :D

Have you played the VN?
Ore kininarimasu~

It's not really an asspull in the anime, anyway, because the story's been changed in some ways to compensate for the ending it's approaching.
It could've been an asspull if episode 10 didn't exist, but it does, so it isn't.

Vladz0rDec 24, 2013 6:23 AM

Dec 24, 2013 6:49 AM

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Nope, haven't played it. I just know deep down that the ending to come will be glorious.

Dec 24, 2013 7:01 AM

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destructo22 said:
Nope, haven't played it. I just know deep down that the ending to come will be glorious.

I can't help but feel you're being sarcastic, haha. Anyway, I think it'll be taken more as a copout, rather than a contrived asspull. I don't think asspull is the proper word in this case.

Clannad spoiler, LB VN semispoiler:

Vladz0rDec 24, 2013 7:14 AM

Dec 24, 2013 7:57 AM

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Vladz0r said:

MagicFlier said:

guntrix said:

This is true but it seems like there's a good amount of people rating this episode 3 and below, unlike the last episode.

I don't think you're a vn reader so... ◉◞౪◟◉
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=709605&show=200#msg27134083

This is true. There's no episode in this entire SERIES with as many 1s as this episode, and the hate from VN readers (myself included, I gave it a 1, sup?) with the huge and unexpected changes from the VN resulted in that score.

Luckily, the changes didn't make the episode terrible for anime-only watchers, but I'm sure they'd have felt much more emotion this episode if JC Staff even had the balls that Maeda had (which wasn't much, considering

It's understandable that you want to criticize, but making things unexpected is exactly the expected job of a screenplay writer. Essentially it ain't over till it's over. <- a quote from a certain famous baseball player.

I suppose that some hate this episode because this is beyond their imagination. (either in a good way or in a bad way.)

fauztyDec 24, 2013 8:09 AM

Dec 24, 2013 8:27 AM

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fauzty said:

I suppose that some hate this episode because this is beyond their imagination. (either in a good way or in a bad way.)

I was thinking the opposite. It fell exactly within the boundaries of the past few episodes. I thought we were done with the goodbyes and were finally moving on with the plot but I guess I was wrong. On the contrary, maybe this Rin development is necessary for the story to end in a certain way. I don't know, I'm an anime - only viewer.

Dec 24, 2013 9:38 AM

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Vladz0r said:

destructo22 said:
Nope, haven't played it. I just know deep down that the ending to come will be glorious.

I can't help but feel you're being sarcastic, haha. Anyway, I think it'll be taken more as a copout, rather than a contrived asspull. I don't think asspull is the proper word in this case.

Clannad spoiler, LB VN semispoiler:

No sarcasm here. I know how these cartoons work. I'll be crying tears of joy and happiness next week when everyone's alive and holding each other in the real world, I assure you.

Dec 24, 2013 2:47 PM

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