Some people really hate white people, as of racism is not only towards black people, white people also suffer racism, I hope you all understand that.
Araby said: Negative. One acknowledges that racism exists and the forms of it, while promoting the attitude to diminish the effect of specific racism. You are conflating context.elite-sama said: Ignore and acknowledge are antonyms. Yes you can do both; they are not mutually exclusive. Removing words from vocabulary is like babysitting and censorship. It is surely more mature, however harder, to accept the concept while refuting it in meaning, then to refuse to acknowledge the concept by telling people to shut up. Getting offended by "nigger" does one thing and one thing only: acknowledge the power the other person who said it has over you. |
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mbac said: To summarize, you contradicted what you just said. The reason people become upset by the use of slang words such as 'retard', is because those words literally exist to be used with malicious intent.to summarize - you don't have to get offended by words - what you should be upset about is the intent behind those words elite-sama said: So, this is about "maturity" now? Does "maturity" matter more than effectiveness?It is surely more mature, however harder, to accept the concept while refuting it in meaning, then to refuse to acknowledge the concept by telling people to shut up. Also, you're misconstruing my point. It's not telling people to shut up, it's explaining to them why it is that they might consider shutting up. Getting offended by "nigger" does one thing and one thing only: acknowledge the power the other person who said it has over you. I agree. The part of your approach that has to do with encouraging people to not be offended by the use of certain words is perfectly reasonable.Mod Edit: Double post merged. |
ThangLongOct 24, 2013 11:51 AM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| The day individual discrimination becomes the norm racism will be forever forgotten as there will be no races, everybody will hate everybody else's guts. Araby said: mbac said: To summarize, you contradicted what you just said. The reason people become upset by the use of slang words such as 'retard', is because those words literally exist to be used with malicious intent.to summarize - you don't have to get offended by words - what you should be upset about is the intent behind those words Those words don't exist to be used with malicious intent, what if you are a doctor who needs to tell a parent that his/her child is in fact a retard, does that mean that you're saying it with malicious intent? The meaning and the intent behind the use of a word are always separate. |
AloxamaxOct 23, 2013 9:48 PM
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
| racism against whites doesn't exist [50390242] |
elite-sama said: This is something we agree upon. That said, I can't even phantomize how hard it is to choose the high road on a daily basis, such that it would eventually lose in meaning.Removing words from vocabulary is like babysitting and censorship. It is surely more mature, however harder, to accept the concept while refuting it in meaning, then to refuse to acknowledge the concept by telling people to shut up. Getting offended by "nigger" does one thing and one thing only: acknowledge the power the other person who said it has over you. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
| Seriously, I have no problem with racist jokes, I mean, do black people really get offended by jokes? I never met a black guy who said "Omfg black people jokes keeps me awake during the night they are so terrible im gonna cry" before. And really, white people suffer way more than black people, because the racism we suffer affects our life (racial quotas, and so on). And not to mention there are many white people jokes. I am VERY white, I am whiter than the average people, and I've been called many times "Hey, snow!", "Hey, cloudy!", or things like that. And how many fucks did I give for that jokes? None, I am not butthurt because someone called me "snow". So what is the problem if someone calls you "Slideshow's ending" or "Nightfall"? |
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lupadim said: Please say that you are not serious?And really, white people suffer way more than black people, because the racism we suffer affects our life (racial quotas, and so on). |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
| Man. Must be hard as hell to be white these days. All that racism? Just can't handle it. |
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Wasabi said: IT IS HARD if you are trying to enter a college which got racial quotas. At Brazil, we have many jokes like that. If you got burned a bit by the sun, they say "hey, apply to the college, you might enter with the racial quotas! haha"Man. Must be hard as hell to be white these days. All that racism? Just can't handle it. |
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Aloxamax said: Bolded part of my original post. I was referring to slang use, specifically. 'Retard', the slang term, didn't originate as a compliment and you'd be hard pressed to find someone using it as a compliment now.Araby said: Those words don't exist to be used with malicious intent, what if you are a doctor who needs to tell a parent that his/her child is in fact a retard, does that mean that you're saying it with malicious intent?mbac said: To summarize, you contradicted what you just said. The reason people become upset by the use of slang words such as 'retard', is because those words literally exist to be used with malicious intent.to summarize - you don't have to get offended by words - what you should be upset about is the intent behind those words The meaning and the intent behind the use of a word are always separate. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: Bolded part of my original post. I was referring to slang use, specifically. 'Retard', the slang term, didn't originate as a compliment and you'd be hard pressed to find someone using it as a compliment now. Turning something into a slang doesn't change the meaning of the word, it's just being used according to the intent of the person. That's why I think that what mbac said is atleast partially true, anybody can easily use any word as an insult, compliment or neither and anybody can easily take it as any of the three. If someone says something to you with malicious intent, you should be mad at the intent behind the word(s). You can't deem a word as an insult or compliment because words weren't made to be insults or compliments, they were made to address or describe everything that surrounds us and everything that we are. |
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| Good thing I live in a country where racism isn't really that much of a problem. |
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| Sure white people suffer from racism too. Not nearly on the same level black people do though. In the US at least, black people were slaves that weren't educated. White people were educated since the beginning of the education system. They started out with land, black's didn't. They had to play the "catch up" game when slavery was abolished. Starting from scratch, much later than we did. On top of having to start from scratch, they were still discriminated against for a long time. Much worse than White's. They are still crippled in society, from their past, and because a lot of white people in high power still exist, less black people. Sure we can look at Obama, but look at the big picture man. That's like starting a race to success with White's having 100+ year headstart. Why do I bring this up? Because you're actually bringing up that black people have reserved slots in college - to gain education. The very thing their parents were deprived of. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? You want to get technical, go ahead. I hope you understand though. |
nomanz said: Why do I bring this up? Because you're actually bringing up that black peoplehave reserved slots in college - to gain education. The very thing their parents were deprived of. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? Because giving them advantages is being racist against black race (they get advantages because of their skin color? Great fucking deal having a brown skin color, why would you win advantages because of that?), and not only that, but racism against white (we get less slots at colleges). |
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| I hate all races equally, even my own. I'm racist, all right. But at least I'm EQUALLY racist. |
| Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit. |
| I would still say white people have "the upper hand" and black people are generally more often exposed as victims. Seriously though, what's the meaning of discussing what race have it worse? That's not what should be the main issue. |
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Wasabi said: Man. Must be hard as hell to be white these days. All that racism? Just can't handle it. White people have had the hardest time of all races....everyone knows this. |
| I would really like to see some sources for the original statement. |
DatDanimexicanOct 25, 2013 2:23 PM
| Why did this discussin have to be on an ANIME based site? and what's with the titel?, it seems like you were trying to start a Whites vs Blacks war, you knew full well that people will flock to this forum as soon as they read the titel. If you really wanted to make it a casual discussito you should have done your homework and come up with a way of having this discussion without conflict. It's common sence that all races, beliefs and genders are discriminated against and we all feel that we have got it the worse, so logically people will come to their own's defence. This will then lead to hate, tention and reporting on what should be people sharing and discussing their love of anime with a bit of reality. Was this a discussion or your way of getting negative and defensive feed back from people?. |
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Jigsaw-PZ said: Why did this discussin have to be on an ANIME based site? Not everything has to do with anime on this site. That's why there is casual discussion and current event boards and stuff like that. |
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LevailRenn said: Jigsaw-PZ said: Why did this discussin have to be on an ANIME based site? Not everything has to do with anime on this site. That's why there is casual discussion and current event boards and stuff like that. Yeah i know, am just pissed is all. Just ignor the first bit. |
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JustALEX said: Wasabi said: Man. Must be hard as hell to be white these days. All that racism? Just can't handle it. White people have had the hardest time of all races....everyone knows this. Hey guys, we could all learn a little something from Arrested Development, that it's not easy being white or brown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-PkutG_Q2Q @ 1:10 |
nomanz said: I believe in equal opportunity, not equal standing. For example, I should have the same opportunity, ideally, to become a CEO of Google. What this does not mean is that Fortune 500 companies must give me a higher paying job because I was born poorer than another person.Sure white people suffer from racism too. Not nearly on the same level black people do though. In the US at least, black people were slaves that weren't educated. White people were educated since the beginning of the education system. They started out with land, black's didn't. They had to play the "catch up" game when slavery was abolished. Starting from scratch, much later than we did. On top of having to start from scratch, they were still discriminated against for a long time. Much worse than White's. They are still crippled in society, from their past, and because a lot of white people in high power still exist, less black people. Sure we can look at Obama, but look at the big picture man. That's like starting a race to success with White's having 100+ year headstart. Why do I bring this up? Because you're actually bringing up that black people have reserved slots in college - to gain education. The very thing their parents were deprived of. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? You want to get technical, go ahead. I hope you understand though. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? It's racist. That's what. |
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elite-sama said: nomanz said: I believe in equal opportunity, not equal standing. For example, I should have the same opportunity, ideally, to become a CEO of Google. What this does not mean is that Fortune 500 companies must give me a higher paying job because I was born poorer than another person.Sure white people suffer from racism too. Not nearly on the same level black people do though. In the US at least, black people were slaves that weren't educated. White people were educated since the beginning of the education system. They started out with land, black's didn't. They had to play the "catch up" game when slavery was abolished. Starting from scratch, much later than we did. On top of having to start from scratch, they were still discriminated against for a long time. Much worse than White's. They are still crippled in society, from their past, and because a lot of white people in high power still exist, less black people. Sure we can look at Obama, but look at the big picture man. That's like starting a race to success with White's having 100+ year headstart. Why do I bring this up? Because you're actually bringing up that black people have reserved slots in college - to gain education. The very thing their parents were deprived of. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? You want to get technical, go ahead. I hope you understand though. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? It's racist. That's what. Those placements are needed though because certain groups of people are discriminated against. Maybe you are not quite aware of this, but when going for an interview for a job or something of the sort, the employer may favor the white man over the black man or the normal man over the man with autism, even if the black man/man with autism is much more qualified and is much better suited to the job. That is not racist. It is giving those that would otherwise be discriminated against a chance. |
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Dark_Chaos said: No, it is not addressing inherent bias, but fighting bias with bias, racism with further racism, and fire with fire.elite-sama said: nomanz said: I believe in equal opportunity, not equal standing. For example, I should have the same opportunity, ideally, to become a CEO of Google. What this does not mean is that Fortune 500 companies must give me a higher paying job because I was born poorer than another person.Sure white people suffer from racism too. Not nearly on the same level black people do though. In the US at least, black people were slaves that weren't educated. White people were educated since the beginning of the education system. They started out with land, black's didn't. They had to play the "catch up" game when slavery was abolished. Starting from scratch, much later than we did. On top of having to start from scratch, they were still discriminated against for a long time. Much worse than White's. They are still crippled in society, from their past, and because a lot of white people in high power still exist, less black people. Sure we can look at Obama, but look at the big picture man. That's like starting a race to success with White's having 100+ year headstart. Why do I bring this up? Because you're actually bringing up that black people have reserved slots in college - to gain education. The very thing their parents were deprived of. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? You want to get technical, go ahead. I hope you understand though. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? It's racist. That's what. Those placements are needed though because certain groups of people are discriminated against. Maybe you are not quite aware of this, but when going for an interview for a job or something of the sort, the employer may favor the white man over the black man or the normal man over the man with autism, even if the black man/man with autism is much more qualified and is much better suited to the job. That is not racist. It is giving those that would otherwise be discriminated against a chance. |
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elite-sama said: Dark_Chaos said: No, it is not addressing inherent bias, but fighting bias with bias, racism with further racism, and fire with fire.elite-sama said: nomanz said: I believe in equal opportunity, not equal standing. For example, I should have the same opportunity, ideally, to become a CEO of Google. What this does not mean is that Fortune 500 companies must give me a higher paying job because I was born poorer than another person.Sure white people suffer from racism too. Not nearly on the same level black people do though. In the US at least, black people were slaves that weren't educated. White people were educated since the beginning of the education system. They started out with land, black's didn't. They had to play the "catch up" game when slavery was abolished. Starting from scratch, much later than we did. On top of having to start from scratch, they were still discriminated against for a long time. Much worse than White's. They are still crippled in society, from their past, and because a lot of white people in high power still exist, less black people. Sure we can look at Obama, but look at the big picture man. That's like starting a race to success with White's having 100+ year headstart. Why do I bring this up? Because you're actually bringing up that black people have reserved slots in college - to gain education. The very thing their parents were deprived of. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? You want to get technical, go ahead. I hope you understand though. So what if they get a little advantage now in the education system? It's racist. That's what. Those placements are needed though because certain groups of people are discriminated against. Maybe you are not quite aware of this, but when going for an interview for a job or something of the sort, the employer may favor the white man over the black man or the normal man over the man with autism, even if the black man/man with autism is much more qualified and is much better suited to the job. That is not racist. It is giving those that would otherwise be discriminated against a chance. Perhaps so, but it is fairer than letting the employer decide who gets in and who doesn't, which may be based on bias. It gives those who may previously have not had a chance, the chance. What if I were an employer, and decided that the only employees I wanted were chinese? What if a white man and/or black man comes along with better qualifications than the chinese man, but I still choose the chinese man? What then? What will happen to the white/black men then? |
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Dark_Chaos said: So the rationale here is that institutionalizing racism to fight off potential racism makes it fair, it is therefore good policy.Perhaps so, but it is fairer than letting the employer decide who gets in and who doesn't, which may be based on bias. It gives those who may previously have not had a chance, the chance. What if I were an employer, and decided that the only employees I wanted were chinese? What if a white man and/or black man comes along with better qualifications than the chinese man, but I still choose the chinese man? What then? What will happen to the white/black men then? Like I said to Araby a couple pages back: short sighted. |
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elite-sama said: Dark_Chaos said: So the rationale here is that institutionalizing racism to fight off potential racism makes it fair, it is therefore good policy.Perhaps so, but it is fairer than letting the employer decide who gets in and who doesn't, which may be based on bias. It gives those who may previously have not had a chance, the chance. What if I were an employer, and decided that the only employees I wanted were chinese? What if a white man and/or black man comes along with better qualifications than the chinese man, but I still choose the chinese man? What then? What will happen to the white/black men then? Like I said to Araby a couple pages back: short sighted. I never said it was fair. I said it was fairer than the alternative. There is no fair option, unfortunately. That is something we all have to accept. |
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Dark_Chaos said: I have a better idea: I can choose not to accept racist policies in the name of fairness, but policies which promote fairness without racism.elite-sama said: I never said it was fair. I said it was fairer than the alternative. There is no fair option, unfortunately. That is something we all have to accept.Dark_Chaos said: So the rationale here is that institutionalizing racism to fight off potential racism makes it fair, it is therefore good policy.Perhaps so, but it is fairer than letting the employer decide who gets in and who doesn't, which may be based on bias. It gives those who may previously have not had a chance, the chance. What if I were an employer, and decided that the only employees I wanted were chinese? What if a white man and/or black man comes along with better qualifications than the chinese man, but I still choose the chinese man? What then? What will happen to the white/black men then? Like I said to Araby a couple pages back: short sighted. |
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elite-sama said: Dark_Chaos said: I have a better idea: I can choose not to accept racist policies in the name of fairness, but policies which promote fairness without racism.elite-sama said: I never said it was fair. I said it was fairer than the alternative. There is no fair option, unfortunately. That is something we all have to accept.Dark_Chaos said: So the rationale here is that institutionalizing racism to fight off potential racism makes it fair, it is therefore good policy.Perhaps so, but it is fairer than letting the employer decide who gets in and who doesn't, which may be based on bias. It gives those who may previously have not had a chance, the chance. What if I were an employer, and decided that the only employees I wanted were chinese? What if a white man and/or black man comes along with better qualifications than the chinese man, but I still choose the chinese man? What then? What will happen to the white/black men then? Like I said to Araby a couple pages back: short sighted. But your ideal is more racist than how things currently are. Your ideal could hardly be called "fair". |
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Dark_Chaos said: "Okay" lolBut your ideal is more racist than how things currently are. Your ideal could hardly be called "fair". |
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| I'm against giving privilege to black people because just because their ancestors had a hard time it doesn't necessarily means they are having a hard time too. In the present they aren't living any harder than any other race (I guess?), so why compensate for something that is left on the past? |
Akito_Kinomoto said: Why are people taking this topic seriously? ;_; Outrageous, why not. Are you implying that because a specific user created this particular topic, it is not to be taken seriously? |
Cocaine-guy said: One should not implyAkito_Kinomoto said: Why are people taking this topic seriously? ;_; Outrageous, why not. Are you implying that because a specific user created this particular topic, it is not to be taken seriously? A thought he does not dare speak For that is man's way. --elite-sama |
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elite-sama said: Cocaine-guy said: One should not implyAkito_Kinomoto said: Why are people taking this topic seriously? ;_; Outrageous, why not. Are you implying that because a specific user created this particular topic, it is not to be taken seriously? A thought he does not dare speak For that is man's way. --elite-sama Are you implying that there is no 'woman' way? |
Cocaine-guy said: He has implied naught,elite-sama said: Cocaine-guy said: One should not implyAkito_Kinomoto said: Why are people taking this topic seriously? ;_; Outrageous, why not. Are you implying that because a specific user created this particular topic, it is not to be taken seriously? A thought he does not dare speak For that is man's way. --elite-sama Are you implying that there is no 'woman' way? For elite-sama is Man, His haiku is Word. --elite-sama |
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gstaad said: Don't confuse positive discrimination with racism. The fact that you're male and white means you will never be discriminated against. Count your blessings and shut up. Every race gets discrimination, telling someone that they will never be Judged against for being white is discriminating sort of. |
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elite-sama said: Cocaine-guy said: He has implied naught,elite-sama said: Cocaine-guy said: One should not implyAkito_Kinomoto said: Why are people taking this topic seriously? ;_; Outrageous, why not. Are you implying that because a specific user created this particular topic, it is not to be taken seriously? A thought he does not dare speak For that is man's way. --elite-sama Are you implying that there is no 'woman' way? For elite-sama is Man, His haiku is Word. --elite-sama Are you implying that a haiku is a word, or the haiku is ''word'? |
Cocaine-guy said: His word once spokenelite-sama said: Cocaine-guy said: He has implied naught,elite-sama said: Cocaine-guy said: One should not implyAkito_Kinomoto said: Why are people taking this topic seriously? ;_; Outrageous, why not. Are you implying that because a specific user created this particular topic, it is not to be taken seriously? A thought he does not dare speak For that is man's way. --elite-sama Are you implying that there is no 'woman' way? For elite-sama is Man, His haiku is Word. --elite-sama Are you implying that a haiku is a word, or the haiku is ''word'? shall remain as firm as the Earth beneath his feet. —elite-sama |
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| Too many haikus are up in this bitch, homie Needs some rap, my nig. |
| Never start a discussion about race and racism. It will end in Haikus and people rapping. |
| "Guys are simple creatures. Just by talking to them, they get the wrong idea." - Hachiman Hikigaya |
| I'm always making fun of pretty much every race. Especially white people. They are the most retarded usually. |
8man said: I'm always making fun of pretty much every race. Especially white people. They are the most retarded usually. I'm guessing you're not too fond of yourself? |
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| I'm white and I think this is bs. |
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