and google translate is subbing rather than dubbing for your little knowledge Except it isn't google translate is actually more accureate than dubbing :D Stopped reading.Really Eyesore. |
| At start when i switched to subs i had a bit of problems since i have to translate subs in my head and i had to more focused on reading then watching but after like 5-6 anime in got used to it now i read them as they were in my native language.I think you should watch dubs anyway if you prefer them but after you watched a couple of sub'd ones to see. |
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2_Steps_Ahead said: Itermin8rX said: Katsumi96 said: If someone just wants to watch dub i don't see a reason for making excuses, they can just come out and say "I don't really like sub". It's their own personal preference. Basically this. And even though dub haters will come out blaming you for not watching sub. Then you can call them an idiot and ignore them. I don't think that someones insults should change an individuals personal preferences. |
no_good_name said: same handful of english VA's voicing every single character. Thats a pretty dumb reason. I can spot out Miyano Mamo in a lot anime yet I don't see anyone getting sick of him. same VAs =/= Bad VAs Same with Jun Fukuyama, and he did a crappy job with Yata Misaki from [K] and English sounds exactly the same. |
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Itermin8rX said: no_good_name said: same handful of english VA's voicing every single character. Thats a pretty dumb reason. I can spot out Miyano Mamo in a lot anime yet I don't see anyone getting sick of him. same VAs =/= Bad VAs Same with Jun Fukuyama, and he did a crappy job with Yata Misaki from [K] and English sounds exactly the same. At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. |
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no_good_name said: At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. Yeah that's because they have people to hire in the first place. Who the fuck wants to become a VA in America? |
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no_good_name said: Itermin8rX said: no_good_name said: same handful of english VA's voicing every single character. Thats a pretty dumb reason. I can spot out Miyano Mamo in a lot anime yet I don't see anyone getting sick of him. same VAs =/= Bad VAs Same with Jun Fukuyama, and he did a crappy job with Yata Misaki from [K] and English sounds exactly the same. At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. Because it takes a long time to get a business, y'know? Sentai Filworks sucked absolute shit at first but now their dubs are in the average-fine level. JP has been in the anime business like forever now, so no duh. |
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wzrd said: no_good_name said: At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. Yeah that's because they have people to hire in the first place. Who the fuck wants to become a VA in America? Got to any anime con in the west that has a q&a session with an english VA and i guarantee you that half that questions will be about how to break into the industry and become a VA, many are interested but never get a chance because the companies only want the "good" VA's. |
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wzrd said: no_good_name said: At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. Yeah that's because they have people to hire in the first place. Who the fuck wants to become a VA in America? John DiMaggio is pretty good |
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Itermin8rX said: no_good_name said: Itermin8rX said: no_good_name said: same handful of english VA's voicing every single character. Thats a pretty dumb reason. I can spot out Miyano Mamo in a lot anime yet I don't see anyone getting sick of him. same VAs =/= Bad VAs Same with Jun Fukuyama, and he did a crappy job with Yata Misaki from [K] and English sounds exactly the same. At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. Because it takes a long time to get a business, y'know? Sentai Filworks sucked absolute shit at first but now their dubs are in the average-fine level. JP has been in the anime business like forever now, so no duh. Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. |
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gamer2710 said: Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. still not as bad as Animax's dubs and it's not like they're aniplex, they wont charge you another thousand or something |
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gamer2710 said: Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. Lol cause Clannad dub kinda sucked balls. |
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gamer2710 said: Itermin8rX said: no_good_name said: Itermin8rX said: no_good_name said: same handful of english VA's voicing every single character. Thats a pretty dumb reason. I can spot out Miyano Mamo in a lot anime yet I don't see anyone getting sick of him. same VAs =/= Bad VAs Same with Jun Fukuyama, and he did a crappy job with Yata Misaki from [K] and English sounds exactly the same. At least the japanese do this strange thing where they use more then 10 people to voice their leads and they also do this strange thing where they hire new people to VA. Because it takes a long time to get a business, y'know? Sentai Filworks sucked absolute shit at first but now their dubs are in the average-fine level. JP has been in the anime business like forever now, so no duh. Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. Which is really saying something, because the Clannad dub was pretty bad. |
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Itermin8rX said: Sentai charge more than Funimation for a greatly inferior product with a shitty English dub. Funi's dubs are only crap 40% of the time compared to Sentai's 90%. But if you're looking for good dubs, Aniplex licensed shows are usually the best bet since they put a lot of money into their shows. Madoka, Durarara and the recent SAO dub are all fantasticgamer2710 said: Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. still not as bad as Animax's dubs and it's not like they're aniplex, they wont charge you another thousand or something |
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| Thought this was going to be an interesting discussion, but go figure it turned into a fight about subs and dubs. On topic, I think its a fine excuse to say I don't want to read the subs, but if someone were to say they can't keep up with the sub then chances are they're probably BSing and are just too used to English to listen to another language. In the end, who really cares what other people prefer, sticking to dubs only really does limit what you can/can't watch so its their loss. imo most dubs are horrible and will make my ears explode |
TassadarV said: Thought this was going to be an interesting discussion, but go figure it turned into a fight about subs and dubs. On topic, I think its a fine excuse to say I don't want to read the subs, but if someone were to say they can't keep up with the sub then chances are they're probably BSing and are just too used to English to listen to another language. In the end, who really cares what other people prefer, sticking to dubs only really does limit what you can/can't watch so its their loss. imo most dubs are horrible and will make my ears explode Pretty much. If you seriously can't manage to "keep up" with subtitles you probably havent read very much in your life. (I mean if you have dyslexia or similar it's one thing but) I think it's a quite laughable excuse. |
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2_Steps_Ahead said: Lol this is trueOh irony because most of you are hypocrite for watching illegal fansubs and yet you have time to complain about inferior quality(?) of dubs. I generally watch a bit off both I just watched black lagoon 3 dubbed and I have to say it one of the best dubbed I have seen |
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| Eh. "I can't read subs while watching" is a legitimate reason. Just because you manage to minimize this problem by being/becoming a fast enough reader doesn't make this problem non-existent at all. Anime is mostly a visual medium and when you are forced to watch at one point of the screen you may be missing stuff the author wants you to notice. What is more relevant in the first two minutes of The Tatami Galaxy, Watashi's full-speed monologue or the highly creative visual accompaniment? Both. On the other hand, this only belongs to the major subs vs dubs discussion thread that I always try to avoid. So goodbye. |
jnw93 said: 2_Steps_Ahead said: Lol this is trueOh irony because most of you are hypocrite for watching illegal fansubs and yet you have time to complain about inferior quality(?) of dubs. I generally watch a bit off both I just watched black lagoon 3 dubbed and I have to say it one of the best dubbed I have seen Black lagoon has a 3rd season? |
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SaberKurisu said: Itermin8rX said: Sentai charge more than Funimation for a greatly inferior product with a shitty English dub. Funi's dubs are only crap 40% of the time compared to Sentai's 90%. But if you're looking for good dubs, Aniplex licensed shows are usually the best bet since they put a lot of money into their shows. Madoka, Durarara and the recent SAO dub are all fantasticgamer2710 said: Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. still not as bad as Animax's dubs and it's not like they're aniplex, they wont charge you another thousand or something Madoka dub was fine, Drrr!! dub was fucking awesome and SAO dub was meh. However they add so many extra stuff, so that explains the price. And their subs are pretty good too. |
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| Another reason why a lot of people like the eng dub more is because English may not be there 1st language so it is easier to listen than to read. So when people say "I can't read the subs while watching" it is legitimate at times. no_good_name said: the ova episodes 'black Lagoon: Roberta's Blood Trail'jnw93 said: 2_Steps_Ahead said: Lol this is trueOh irony because most of you are hypocrite for watching illegal fansubs and yet you have time to complain about inferior quality(?) of dubs. I generally watch a bit off both I just watched black lagoon 3 dubbed and I have to say it one of the best dubbed I have seen Black lagoon has a 3rd season? |
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| It...well, depends actually on the person. I prefer subs over dubs myself,because I like listening to any TV show, anime in its native language. =) Dubs sometimes sounds weird as well. xD |
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Vishnu_Karthik said: Ouch bro.2_Steps_Ahead said: Butthurt level:Sonic fanboyStopped reading.Really Eyesore. |
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Vishnu_Karthik said: jal90 said: How's that a legitimate reason ?? Unless you're also ready to admit that you can't basically keep up with anything (which is embarrassing) this is just a pathetic copout method to discredit the original material.Eh."I can't read subs while watching" is a legitimate reason. Original =/= good tea was originally made in china without teabags, oh no! I'm making fun of the chinese by imitating the British instead! better stop using teabags and using fancy cups |
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jnw93 said: Another reason why a lot of people like the eng dub more is because English may not be there 1st language so it is easier to listen than to read. So when people say "I can't read the subs while watching" it is legitimate at times. You are honestly the first person I know that said that. English is not my first language and I think it's easier to read than to hear it, well English as a whole is a pretty easy language. I even watch US TV shows with Eng subs, I just did that yesterday with Breaking Bad, I guess it became something natural to me since I'm used to it and I like it. I honestly can't comprehend why someone wouldn't be able to keep up with subs, most of them are at normal speed, I think that's just lazy. I even think that keeping up with Bakemonogatari's and Tatmi galaxy's dialogue is not that hard. Lunaza said: I prefer dubs, because not only is it easier to watch, I can pay more attention to the animation and what's going on. I think that when people say they can't read the subs it means that they either can't read fast enough or can't read and pay attention to the rest of the anime at the same time. You can pay attention to everything while reading subs. After a while you learn to do that without even noticing. |
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Itermin8rX said: It's better than Sentai's track record. Clannad was crap, Angel Beats was shit and Penguindrum was an abortion. Plus unlike Aniplex the subs usually aren't that great either. Especially Penguindrum's dubtitles.SaberKurisu said: Itermin8rX said: Sentai charge more than Funimation for a greatly inferior product with a shitty English dub. Funi's dubs are only crap 40% of the time compared to Sentai's 90%. But if you're looking for good dubs, Aniplex licensed shows are usually the best bet since they put a lot of money into their shows. Madoka, Durarara and the recent SAO dub are all fantasticgamer2710 said: Then: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad Now: http://myanimelist.net/anime/12445/Tasogare_Otome_x_Amnesia http://myanimelist.net/anime/12467/Nazo_no_Kanojo_X http://myanimelist.net/anime/10213/Maji_de_Watashi_ni_Koi_Shinasai They got worse. still not as bad as Animax's dubs and it's not like they're aniplex, they wont charge you another thousand or something Madoka dub was fine, Drrr!! dub was fucking awesome and SAO dub was meh. However they add so many extra stuff, so that explains the price. And their subs are pretty good too. While we don't get the super special awesome collector's pack, the good thing about being Australian is that we get the stuff that matters without having our wallets suffer. |
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| Why would I care? I don't care if someone watches anime using subs or dubs so why would I care about their excuses. |
| Depends on the person, it's not really a wrong answer if they can't. Now if someone says "no one can enjoy anime subbed because they're too busy reading the whole time", that's obviously going to be wrong. |
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| For Tatami Galaxy I'll allow it. |
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tsudman said: I suppose im different then loljnw93 said: Another reason why a lot of people like the eng dub more is because English may not be there 1st language so it is easier to listen than to read. So when people say "I can't read the subs while watching" it is legitimate at times. You are honestly the first person I know that said that. English is not my first language and I think it's easier to read than to hear it, well English as a whole is a pretty easy language. I even watch US TV shows with Eng subs, I just did that yesterday with Breaking Bad, I guess it became something natural to me since I'm used to it and I like it. I honestly can't comprehend why someone wouldn't be able to keep up with subs, most of them are at normal speed, I think that's just lazy. I even think that keeping up with Bakemonogatari's and Tatmi galaxy's dialogue is not that hard. If was was to learn a new language Id much rather listen than read the text I guess it just comes down to preference. I would most likely learn Japanese and I start watching the shows RAW it must be 100x better than dubs or sub |
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| It's easier to follow when you can understand what they're saying without the need of text. Sometimes I'll watch Anime half-asleep and won't feel like following Personally, it just sounds like Japanese VA's all sound alike. As if the entire dubbing process in Japan is made up of 5 people. Not to discredit it or anything, that's just how I hear. I'll do both whenever the time rises. But you can never use subs to replace Dan Green. |
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Vishnu_Karthik said: jal90 said: How's that a legitimate reason ?? Unless you're also ready to admit that you can't basically keep up with anything (which is embarrassing) this is just a pathetic copout method to discredit the original material.Eh."I can't read subs while watching" is a legitimate reason. For being such a sub defender, your reading skills are pretty lacking. I am not trying to discredit the original material, in fact I would like you to show me where I ever attempted to do so; unless you believe that one can only bring this reason if you are a hardcore dub defender. This is exactly why I prefer to avoid this debate. It is set up in a way that the positions can only veer to extremes. If I defend a particular reason as valid in a certain context, I'm defending the whole set of arguments and therefore I'm a dub/sub fan. Fuck that. Oh, and a sub is not original material. Masaaki Yuasa didn't make the subtitles himself, therefore, they are an added element. |
jal90 said: Vishnu_Karthik said: jal90 said: How's that a legitimate reason ?? Unless you're also ready to admit that you can't basically keep up with anything (which is embarrassing) this is just a pathetic copout method to discredit the original material.Eh."I can't read subs while watching" is a legitimate reason. For being such a sub defender, your reading skills are pretty lacking. I am not trying to discredit the original material, in fact I would like you to show me where I ever attempted to do so; unless you believe that one can only bring this reason if you are a hardcore dub defender. This is exactly why I prefer to avoid this debate. It is set up in a way that the positions can only veer to extremes. If I defend a particular reason as valid in a certain context, I'm defending the whole set of arguments and therefore I'm a dub/sub fan. Fuck that. <3 |
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| I take it only few of you guys speak Japanese. RAW > SUB & DUB |
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Jyupita said: I take it only few of you guys speak Japanese. RAW > SUB & DUB Goes for the kill |
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Vishnu_Karthik said: jal90 said: Ha ha no it is a pathetic excuse not legitimate on any grounds unless if the person is physically challenged.For being such a sub defender, your reading skills are pretty lacking. If you don't want a certain topic to be discussed, then don't create the topic. Write a blog post about it and enjoy your own circlejerk. You don't need to be physically challenged to acknowledge that you have limits regarding everything. You are probably challenged if you believe otherwise. Vishnu_Karthik said: jal90 said: I never said you did.I am not trying to discredit the original material You implied it. Because apparently anybody who ever uses this argument is a mentally challenged individual or a hardcore dub defender. Since I believe it's too rough to call me mentally challenged in our first online meeting, I assume I'm a hardcore dub defender for you. Vishnu_Karthik said: The whole argument :- "I don't have to read in the bottom of screen to know what's going so dub is better" Your whole argument: "What are you, a retard?" Wait what, this is not an argument. Vishnu_Karthik said: IS NOT A valid excuse no matter how you put it. Read above. Vishnu_Karthik said: jal90 said: Maybe but its still closer and more faithful to the original than Dubbing which goes through hellish editing and localization B.SOh, and a sub is not original material. Masaaki Yuasa didn't make the subtitles himself, therefore, they are an added element. I think the word you are looking for is translation. And as far as I know a dub and a sub hold the same potential to mistranslate because the text can be the same in whatever format. |
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| jal90, I admire your patience and some of your points are quite laudable, but I think you're fighting for a lost cause here. OP is what I like to call a "little green alien", he literally can't comprehend your logic. |
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| didn't read other posts. there is no fucking excuse unless you suffer from a learning disability like dyslexia |
| "Humans are incapable of multi-tasking, so how am I supposed to enjoy my anime when I'm too busy reading subs?" is a stupid and illegitimate reason. Why? Because humans are capable of multi-tasking. I don't care if you can't read the subs, at least don't make shit up to justify it. |
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