Monogatari Series: Second Season
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mugimugi said: VOFAN created the illustrations for all the novels and is the original character designer but that is as far as his work goes for the animation. Akio Watanabe does the character designs for the anime and is the chief animation director as well and likely deserves most of this credit, though in truth the originals come from VOFAN.Takuan_Soho said: I really hope that Nishio sensei took whoever at Shaft did the character design out for some really good and expensive yakitori, because damn who ever designed these characters has made him a fortune. The actual character designer would be the illustrator VOFAN.. And most of the monogatari novels sold about 200k each, he doesn't need sexy illustrations or animations to sell his stuff. Would Nisiosin's work have sold as well without VOFAN? Hard to say, with unknowns a good cover can make all the difference but he was not exactly unknown when he wrote Bakemonogatari. Still, VOFAN's work really sparked the imagination of the readers and I think it would not be the same without it. Both author and artist are geniuses and their works are masterpieces. Nisioisin truly is a literary genius, the way he writes is simply unique. No one writes like he does in any language, in my experience anyway. |
hpulley said: mugimugi said: VOFAN created the illustrations for all the novels and is the original character designer but that is as far as his work goes for the animation. Akio Watanabe does the character designs for the anime and is the chief animation director as well and likely deserves most of this credit, though in truth the originals come from VOFAN.Takuan_Soho said: I really hope that Nishio sensei took whoever at Shaft did the character design out for some really good and expensive yakitori, because damn who ever designed these characters has made him a fortune. The actual character designer would be the illustrator VOFAN.. And most of the monogatari novels sold about 200k each, he doesn't need sexy illustrations or animations to sell his stuff. Would Nisiosin's work have sold as well without VOFAN? Hard to say, with unknowns a good cover can make all the difference but he was not exactly unknown when he wrote Bakemonogatari. Still, VOFAN's work really sparked the imagination of the readers and I think it would not be the same without it. Both author and artist are geniuses and their works are masterpieces. Nisioisin truly is a literary genius, the way he writes is simply unique. No one writes like he does in any language, in my experience anyway. I won't say he's a literary genius, that's just lol. But for sure he's a genius in making unique characters. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| Have you read any of his text in Japanese? The way he uses the language is just brilliant. Say what you want about some of his topics but if you look deeper you will see that there important themes under it all and this is another sign of a good writer, the work can be appreciated on many different levels. |
hpulley said: Nisioisin truly is a literary genius, the way he writes is simply unique. No one writes like he does in any language, in my experience anyway. And I consider that a VERY good thing lol. Also sorry but peoples standards are kind of low for what ought to be considered genius level writing these days and the way the term masterpiece is just tossed around willy nilly makes it kind of useless as well. The guy writes light novels in light novel prose and uses some occasionally subtle wordplay and puns. That's somewhat clever but hardly unique and personally I don't believe the line for genius starts there. Occasionally he churns out a good story arc in something amidst all the extensive fanservice scenes, characters blathering and vaguely nonsensical pun ridden dialogue but his sense of focus is frankly abysmal and he seems aware and vaguely apologetic of it too in some of his afterwords and I can see more than a few areas where there is vast room for improvement in his storytelling. I'm a firm believer in the theory that being unusual in your approach doesn't automatically make you a genius or a good writer, it's simply a choice. I appreciate risk takers, but NisioIsin a genius writer....hell no. |
PeacingOutJul 15, 2013 8:36 AM
| Tough crowd. |
hpulley said: Have you read any of his text in Japanese? The way he uses the language is just brilliant. Say what you want about some of his topics but if you look deeper you will see that there important themes under it all and this is another sign of a good writer, the work can be appreciated on many different levels. I'll have to say you need to read some classics, yes, Japanese classics(actually, nationality doesn't even matter). Works from famous contemporary Japanese writers(not LN) will also work. Some LNs are fun, yes. Some LNs are really good and deep, yes. But alas, Nisioisin is faaaaar from being a literary genius. Puns and meta-humor doesn't make him a genius. I understand his puns, and they are not fun or brilliant(especially when you know Asian literature). And the setting, there's nothing unique(just as other novels from Nisioisin). The plot, most of the monogatari second season are horribly bad with less humors, which is one of his only two strengths(the other being characters). Well, it's your opinion. But that's pretty much the same level of insisting Nasu is the best writer in the world. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| Yes, I've read some Japanese classics and I read non-light Japanese novels as well. I still hold to my opinion, yes just an opinion, about Nisiosin's writing but no one else agrees. That's OK. Your opinion can be different than mine. I don't mind. If you want to let me know your best actual examples of the most brilliant Japanese literature, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Seriously! I am open to good recommendations. I won't even say "No way in hell is that genius level...." I will take it as your opinion. Here, PMs, guestbook, wherever you want to drop your recommendations is fine. |
hpulley said: Yes, I've read some Japanese classics and I read non-light Japanese novels as well. I still hold to my opinion, yes just an opinion, about Nisiosin's writing but no one else agrees. That's OK. Your opinion can be different than mine. I don't mind. If you want to let me know your best actual examples of the most brilliant Japanese literature, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Seriously! I am open to good recommendations. I won't even say "No way in hell is that genius level...." I will take it as your opinion. Here, PMs, guestbook, wherever you want to drop your recommendations is fine. 人間失格. If it's too classic, read any of Haruki Murakami's(I don't like his works, but I admit he writes godly). I think Haruki's will fit better for your taste(no offence). But I guess you already have read them. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| I thought you meant older for classics, 人間失格 isn't that old. Yes, I like Haruki Murakami, not sure what that is supposed to say about my tastes though... I like what I like. |
DawnJ said: I read 人間失格. I read Kawabata. I read Haruki Murakami. I read Kenzaburo Oe. I read Genji Monogatari (ok, modern Japanese translations, not the classic Japanese original) and even Manyoushu. And I agree with hpulley. At least in Bakemonogatari and Katanagatari I think NisiOisiN wrote some of the best works of modern Japanese literature and I would even call them as masterpieces - and I don't use this word lightly. From my view, while Murakami taps into the psyche and gestalt of the middle-aged in Japan, NisiOisiN taps into the psyche and gestalt of the young teens and 20s in Japan.hpulley said: Yes, I've read some Japanese classics and I read non-light Japanese novels as well. I still hold to my opinion, yes just an opinion, about Nisiosin's writing but no one else agrees. That's OK. Your opinion can be different than mine. I don't mind. If you want to let me know your best actual examples of the most brilliant Japanese literature, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Seriously! I am open to good recommendations. I won't even say "No way in hell is that genius level...." I will take it as your opinion. Here, PMs, guestbook, wherever you want to drop your recommendations is fine. 人間失格. If it's too classic, read any of Haruki Murakami's(I don't like his works, but I admit he writes godly). I think Haruki's will fit better for your taste(no offence). But I guess you already have read them. Kaioshin_Sama said: The thing is: This guy actually did NOT write light novels when he wrote Bakemonogatari. Bake was NOT categorized as light novels - I still remember it being simply categorized as "novel" when I checked for it in bookstores; later when light novel got increasing attention the series was then put alongside other LNs. And I would not even call his prose as light novel style. And the wordplay? Unless you know Japanese language I doubt you can fully evaluate how "subtle" or how "clever" some of the wordplay is and how penetrating and insightful it presents. The guy writes light novels in light novel prose and uses some occasionally subtle wordplay and puns. Kaioshin_Sama said: It depends on which novel you are talking about. Some have poorer focus than others. As for storytelling, it also depends on what "improvements" you are talking about. If the "improvements" are just making the storytelling more conventional and "focused" (cutting down the wordplay for example) then I would doubt it is actually an improvement -- perhaps more a way to suit your taste better. but his sense of focus is frankly abysmal and he seems aware and vaguely apologetic of it too in some of his afterwords and I can see more than a few areas where there is vast room for improvement in his storytelling. Kaioshin_Sama said: I won't call him a genius, but I will stick to my belief that Bakemonogatari is itself a masterpiece, even though the other novels in the series may be a bit more uneven in quality.I'm a firm believer in the theory that being unusual in your approach doesn't automatically make you a genius or a good writer, it's simply a choice. I appreciate risk takers, but NisioIsin a genius writer....hell no. |
symbvJul 15, 2013 11:15 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Nice insight to Hanekawa's character, loving the arc so far. Even though the shower scene was nice to the eye, it's funny that it was far from the highlight of the episode, that being either the handshake or Hanekawa's food. These two really make a nice duo (NOT IN THAT WAY YOU PERVERT!), and short-haired Black Hanekawa is IMO even better than the long-haired one. I dunno. Also, nice to have a series where the characters' hair actually grows! That's rare. It could have been a coincidence the first time, but it seems here they really have that. And it's a good thing! |
| I MAY BE MAD, BUT AT LEAST I HAVE SOME DIGNITY ! If you must go deeper... Check this blog. Bakemonogatari 101, a must read for any fan! Attack on Titan: Theory of Lies (HEAVY SPOILERS) |
| Forget the hot shower scene, dat Tiger was cool as f*ck and did Neko jump like 10km up in the air and then jumped on a cloud?! Marzan said: As a bonafide Senjougahara lover I cannot be objective about this episode. I absolutely loved it. From the playful servicey yet remarkably tasteful shower scene, to the meeting face to face with Black Hanekawa. All delivered with her classic sharp dialogue (yet more playfully) and a decalogue of SHAFT face tilts. Her confession of having an Electra complex was an eyeopener too, specially when one thinks of her relationship to her dad in episode 12 of Bakemono. I thought they were pretty distant. I want this in BD. Now! This. Senjougahara <3 |
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Hendra666 said: Go10 said: wonder what the tiger mean by "she saw me, thats all that maters". Great episode. Well, it basically the same as if you are in a jungle, and saw a sleeping tiger, and then he woke up and saw you... you're fucked in the jungle, the wildness jungle, the wildness lion... oh wait... personally am not a fan of fanservicing, therefore am glad there are lots of dialoge, some action (yay!) and a meeting between gahara-san and black hanekawa |
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| Another great episode. |
| Amazing! I am absolutely in love with this series. |
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| About wordplays(if you don't like 'puns'), every single one of ancient literature in chinese characters had them. Using clever wordplays was(and still is) one of the evaluation criteria. The more you know. Sadly I don't care much about them, especially in novels. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| We need more of this and less of Araragi. Hanekawa is a lot of fun to follow. |
I have my own anime blog. It's called Anime Viking. Hope you'll you read it! |
| I like how this is going, but Araragi is my boy, can't leave him out of the fun! |
Marow said: We need more of this and less of Araragi. Hanekawa is a lot of fun to follow. You should listen to BD commentaries then... |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| Dat shower scene. |
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DawnJ said: Really enjoyed the commentaries on the Neko Kuro discs and looking forward to them on Shiro. It's so cute when she "nya"s every 'n' in the commentaries, much easier than reading it that way. I thought it would be cute to read it like that but honestly, it is a bit painful in spots to read entire chapters of not just dialog but all text with the "nyans" and "nyais"... when she is in cat form.Marow said: We need more of this and less of Araragi. Hanekawa is a lot of fun to follow. You should listen to BD commentaries then... |
| Love the dialogue tone of hanekawa and senjougahara ^^ They are seems like singing or something everytime i listem to them speaking! |
| loved this episode, more senjougahara is always good and i really like the way she says 'dakedo.' |
if you disagree with what i say, feel free to comment on my profile. in all likelihood, i won't come back to this thread. |
OMG those two are so dangerously sexy in that shower scene =3 |
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| Compared to the other Animes this season, doesn't Monogatari have a good shot at becoming the best anime this season? |
| Hmm. I'm hearing reports that shows like Gatchaman Crowds, Silver Spoon and Uchouten Kakozu are also being called Anime of the season by many others. How shall we compete? Superior ratings and viewings? |
| silver spoon manga is awesome - the mangaka is the same as from FMA but dont expect a battle anime/manga, it is slice of life, but still good definetly worth reading/watching dunno about the others well, so far the only one who can compete with monogatari is shingeki no kyojin in competition of best anime of this year (if no other great anime is coming in fall/winter) |
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| Seriously, where the bloody hell is mah bro Ararararararagi-kun. I don't care a slighty bit about Hanekawa, but I must admit that as a MAN, I enjoy this fanservice. Damn you, Shaft. That's playing dirty. |
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| Gahara and Black Hanekawa in the shower would've been perfect, but yeah I know. |
Akanezora said: Seriously, where the bloody hell is mah bro Ararararararagi-kun. just wait till episode 5 |
| where is koyomi?? |
| i lack on english but, i want to speak! |
| I really want to see Araragi! :( |
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Akanezora said: Seriously, where the bloody hell is mah bro Ararararararagi-kun. I don't care a slighty bit about Hanekawa, but I must admit that as a MAN, I enjoy this fanservice. Damn you, Shaft. That's playing dirty. Dun worry, once we get to kabukimonogatari, Shinobu and Ararararararagi gets so much more screen time. |
| you misspelled his name |
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LegendsOfSushi said: I really want to see Araragi! :( pikeman1 said: Akanezora said: Seriously, where the bloody hell is mah bro Ararararararagi-kun. just wait till episode 5 .....well, I think I'm going to stop watching it until he appears, because as a WOMAN, I do not enjoy at all this fanservice. |
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Aozumi said: The fan service in this arc should pretty much be done after this next episode. And I assure you, you won't want to miss the last two episodes of the Neko: Shiro......well, I think I'm going to stop watching it until he appears, because as a WOMAN, I do not enjoy at all this fanservice. |
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AlexTheRiot said: Aozumi said: The fan service in this arc should pretty much be done after this next episode. And I assure you, you won't want to miss the last two episodes of the Neko: Shiro......well, I think I'm going to stop watching it until he appears, because as a WOMAN, I do not enjoy at all this fanservice. but if I have to see again what happened in ep two I will drop the anime right away and it will be worst? but if you say the fanservice will stop now I may give it another opportunity.... because yeah, I want to see the Hanekawa-neko version too (- x - after all I pretty much enjoyed the Nekomonogatari ovas when I saw them |
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| Well, it's hard to say how 'bad' it will be because SHAFT definitely embellished the shower scene a bit, but there may or may not be a similar scene next week. It certainly won't be quite as 'playful' though lol. But I would not recommend skipping next week's episode, it will have very crucial plot points involving the abnormalities and leading into the two following episodes. |
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AlexTheRiot said: Well, it's hard to say how 'bad' it will be because SHAFT definitely embellished the shower scene a bit, but there may or may not be a similar scene next week. It certainly won't be quite as 'playful' though lol. But I would not recommend skipping next week's episode, it will have very crucial plot points involving the abnormalities and leading into the two following episodes. I hope not at least D: well.... I'll be praying for Araragi's appearance soon then xD''' -I'm not used to watch this kind of fanservice orz- |
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Aozumi said: Well the later developments of the arc is well worth it, I promise!well.... I'll be praying for Araragi's appearance soon then xD''' -I'm not used to watch this kind of fanservice orz- |
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| uhm.. this ep was totally beyond what i expected. Awesome fan-service and dialogues between Hitagi and Tsubasa. The scene where Hitagi asked various questions to Tsubasa was pretty good. Black Hanekawa with short hair <3 |
My DeviantArt and Pixiv and still waiting patiently for a 3rd season of Spice & Wolf :'| |
| Senjougahara really is perfect. |
AlexTheRiot said: Well, it's hard to say how 'bad' it will be because SHAFT definitely embellished the shower scene a bit, but there may or may not be a similar scene next week. It certainly won't be quite as 'playful' though lol... |
| Once again splendid episode even if there isn't a lot of action right now we get some pretty cool chat looking forward the next ones. |
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| What a nice fanservice episode. Black Hanekawa is no longer as aggressive as in Nekomonogatari. Need some Shinobu :S |
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hpulley said: AlexTheRiot said: Well, it's hard to say how 'bad' it will be because SHAFT definitely embellished the shower scene a bit, but there may or may not be a similar scene next week. It certainly won't be quite as 'playful' though lol... lol me neither, it should be quite the treat. |
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| When thoust morning comes, so thoust shall episode three... Forthwith. |
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