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Mar 28, 2013 12:30 PM
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Hi everyone ! Because of the extensive of 3D CG in anime, a question popped up in my mind - Will anime ever go full 3D CG ? If yes, then when ? Just asking. Have a good day !
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Mar 28, 2013 12:34 PM
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Probably not. Even if it did, it would be about a century or half a century to the future.
Mar 28, 2013 12:36 PM
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Anime is meant to be 2D and it will stay 2D
Mar 28, 2013 12:36 PM
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We already had a show like that this season (Backstage idol). I don't think it'll fully replace traditional animation for a long while though.
Mar 28, 2013 12:38 PM
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I sure as hell hope not. Most CG is terrible, luckily I'm %100 certain that there will never be a point in time where all anime being released will be full CG. I'm not saying though that there will never be a show that is full CG in fact I'm sure there will be one eventually and probably soon like the next ten-twenty years.
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Mar 28, 2013 12:38 PM
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Possibly, but not until it's able to go full cg and still retain the same style and visual appeal that it has already I think.
Mar 28, 2013 12:39 PM
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3D anime is dumb, it's like 3/4 of the hentai you see on pornhub..
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Mar 28, 2013 12:42 PM
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There is already a full 3D CG anime i don't remember it is name but it has robot in it i think.
Mar 28, 2013 12:46 PM
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I hope not.
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bNq said:
We already had a show like that this season (Backstage idol). I don't think it'll fully replace traditional animation for a long while though.

Just saw a bit of that anime. The visuals suck. Actually, I am talking about visuals like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStIV1jRtlM.
Mar 28, 2013 12:57 PM

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Well, I certainly hope not. The art style could change or so, but going 3D is not really a good idea.


Unless of course if the quality of it compares to something like in Advent Children or those animated cutscenes from Kingdom hearts.
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Mar 28, 2013 12:59 PM

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Doesn't this already exist with like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts?
Mar 28, 2013 1:02 PM

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Many 3D CG'd anime can usually be found as movies. Final Fantasy Advent Children being the obvious. There are a few more titles.

As for a completely 3D CG'd TV anime, I can't say I know of any or at least, any that are full CG'd and actually rated high.

Black Rock Shooter (TV) might work... like half of it anyways.
Mar 28, 2013 1:04 PM

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I hope for the love of God that it doesn't.
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Mar 28, 2013 1:05 PM

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Doesn't this already exist with like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts?


The Appleseed franchise as well. I'm sure I've seen glimpses of other stuff that were full CG as well. Can't place a name, though.

Anyway, I have no problem with CG at all really. Yet, I definitely am not all that crazy about full CG from what I've seen from it.
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Mar 28, 2013 1:09 PM

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I hope no. When I see CGed Tiger & Bunny my eyes burn :( Good it's happenes just from time to time.

My heart already hurts after hearing that Disney won't make any 2D movies anymore...
Mar 28, 2013 1:11 PM
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Not at this rate, no. Heck, Japanese animation studios haven't even fully embraced digital hand-drawn animation, most of them are still drawing on paper.
Mar 28, 2013 1:13 PM

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However, now that you've mentioned it, I wonder if anime would go 3D Code Geass too....
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Mar 28, 2013 1:27 PM

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...Advent Children?
I was thinking of that, but I doubt all anime will become that in the future.
Mar 28, 2013 1:29 PM

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MellowJello said:
FauxAzn said:
...Advent Children?
I was thinking of that, but I doubt all anime will become that in the future.


It'd probably be more of a budget problem.
Mar 28, 2013 1:30 PM

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FauxAzn said:
...Advent Children?
Ok its never happening but if all anime became like this, id be ok with it. Advent children's fights were awesome albeit ridiculous

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Mar 28, 2013 1:34 PM

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A lot of anime is already fully CG, just not 3D. Given the style, I can't imagine that'd ever take over, it's usually treated as something aside from "anime" in cases it exists anyway.

Advent Children is seen as a "Japanese computer-animated science fantasy film" rather than a "Japanese anime", both officially and by fans alike, which would keep things like this taking over "anime" as the main style.
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FauxAzn said:
...Advent Children?


Had a budget in the tens of millions, and took several years to make.
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Mar 28, 2013 1:40 PM
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One more thing, why the CGI hate ?
Mar 28, 2013 1:43 PM

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You mean something like this?


as far as I know Toei was planing to do some series this way - Harlock as shown, there was some info on
Saint Seiya movie. Certainly they have money and skills to try it.
Mar 28, 2013 1:56 PM

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I'll leave this here:

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I'll leave this here:


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You mean something like this?


as far as I know Toei was planing to do some series this way - Harlock as shown, there was some info on
Saint Seiya movie. Certainly they have money and skills to try it.

Hell no. I mean something like this -
Mar 28, 2013 2:01 PM

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I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.
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I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.

Yes. But I am not talking about CG like in Advent Children but rather like Berserk movie and the video I posted in my last comment.
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deadjames said:
I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.

Yes. But I am not talking CG like in Advent Children but rather like Berserk movie and the video I posted in my last comment.


You mean cheap CG?
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MellowJello said:
FauxAzn said:
...Advent Children?
I was thinking of that, but I doubt all anime will become that in the future.
I agree. It's going to have a lot of problems as well. I think i'm fine with what we have for now.
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gargS said:
deadjames said:
I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.

Yes. But I am not talking about CG like in Advent Children but rather like Berserk movie and the video I posted in my last comment.


So your real question is "will all anime some day become extremely low budget 3D CG?"

The answer is, again, no.

Also, someone mentioned Oblivion Island. I have to say I actually really liked how well it blended the feel and look of...uh, "anime" with the CG so well. It was nicely done and I didn't mind it one bit. However, it only worked so well because of the art direction and style. I wouldn't want that taking over the industry.
Mar 28, 2013 2:19 PM
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I dont think so, but I think there will be more CG in the future.

Hope not, since i like my anime in 2D.
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Mar 28, 2013 2:20 PM
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Paul said:
gargS said:
deadjames said:
I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.

Yes. But I am not talking CG like in Advent Children but rather like Berserk movie and the video I posted in my last comment.


You mean cheap CG?

Yeah right. But I don't think it looks cheap in any sense unless its done terribly. Yeah sure they use it to save money but it looks pretty good. I wasn't into mecha until I saw CG mecha. Don't you think anime can look much better if the visuals are rendered using CGI ? Just my 2 cents.
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gargS said:
Hi everyone ! Because of the extensive of 3D CG in anime, a question popped up in my mind - Will anime ever go full 3D CG ? If yes, then when ? Just asking. Have a good day !


What does the CG stand for..?

I saw a 3D anime the other day

.hack//the movie

man..it was pretty good

But not the type of 3D that comes out of the screen.. but that would be flippin awesome if it did!
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Ghostony said:
gargS said:
Hi everyone ! Because of the extensive of 3D CG in anime, a question popped up in my mind - Will anime ever go full 3D CG ? If yes, then when ? Just asking. Have a good day !


What does the CG stand for..?

I saw a 3D anime the other day

.hack//the movie

man..it was pretty good

But not the type of 3D that comes out of the screen.. but that would be flippin awesome if it did!


3D isn't 3D as in popping out at you. Anime is 2D, it's flat. A 3D CG anime would have each thing rendered on it's own fully as a 3-dimensional object. It's much more like having an actor and a set, because everything is already created and you just manipulate it to how you want it to be for this or that scene - rather than drawing it again each time.
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I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.

Yes. But I am not talking about CG like in Advent Children but rather like Berserk movie and the video I posted in my last comment.


So your real question is "will all anime some day become extremely low budget 3D CG?"

The answer is, again, no.

Also, someone mentioned Oblivion Island. I have to say I actually really liked how well it blended the feel and look of...uh, "anime" with the CG so well. It was nicely done and I didn't mind it one bit. However, it only worked so well because of the art direction and style. I wouldn't want that taking over the industry.

But then there is always room for improvement. I am looking forward to an age where everything is rendered by CG and yet the artistic values are kept alive. Also, that kind of CG may be cheap but in no sense it looks cheap. Rather it looks really good visually giving a pseudo interpretation of 3D. Even the animation looks more fluid using CG. Don't you think CG is a good idea ?
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Who needs 3D, we get enough of that in real life.
Mar 28, 2013 2:33 PM

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For anime TV series no, for anime movies maybe.
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But then there is always room for improvement. I am looking forward to an age where everything is rendered by CG and yet the artistic values are kept alive. Also, that kind of CG may be cheap but in no sense it looks cheap. Rather it looks really good visually giving a pseudo interpretation of 3D. Even the animation looks more fluid using CG. Don't you think CG is a good idea ?


But this is wrong. The titles you mentioned look fucking terrible in every aspect because of being cheaply made and having a smaller budget, that includes the fact it's not visually appealing and the animation looks godawful.

CG can be done correctly - but only on a VERY LARGE BUDGET. The majority of the anime industry doesn't have that, which is why you only see this in anime films as films get massive budgets in comparison. Even in the case of many of the films, they come out looking hilariously terrible like the Berserk films.
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TallonKarrde23 said:
A lot of anime is already fully CG, just not 3D. Given the style, I can't imagine that'd ever take over, it's usually treated as something aside from "anime" in cases it exists anyway.


Indeed. “CGI” is a broad term which does not only stands for 3D point of view. Modern 2D anime were generally being “computerized” in term of their production method, meaning that they’re quite similar to 2D flash animations since the in-between frames of character’s animation were vectorized and generated using advance software tools. As well as entirely computer generated for backgrounds and objects.

Since we are talking about “3D” in anime I believe there’s already a lot of series using “toon-shading” to disguise and incorporated into most of the action scene.

Check out this Bererk movie. The toon-shading reminded me a lot of 3D Zelda games. XD
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If anime turns full 3d, including the character models I will stop watching new shows LOL
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TallonKarrde23 said:
gargS said:

But then there is always room for improvement. I am looking forward to an age where everything is rendered by CG and yet the artistic values are kept alive. Also, that kind of CG may be cheap but in no sense it looks cheap. Rather it looks really good visually giving a pseudo interpretation of 3D. Even the animation looks more fluid using CG. Don't you think CG is a good idea ?


But this is wrong. The titles you mentioned look fucking terrible in every aspect because of being cheaply made and having a smaller budget, that includes the fact it's not visually appealing and the animation looks godawful.

CG can be done correctly - but only on a VERY LARGE BUDGET. The majority of the anime industry doesn't have that, which is why you only see this in anime films as films get massive budgets in comparison. Even in the case of many of the films, they come out looking hilariously terrible like the Berserk films.

And I thought good CG was cheap. Anyways, nevermind.
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TallonKarrde23 said:
A lot of anime is already fully CG, just not 3D. Given the style, I can't imagine that'd ever take over, it's usually treated as something aside from "anime" in cases it exists anyway.


Indeed. “CGI” is a broad term which does not only stands for 3D point of view. Modern 2D anime were generally being “computerized” in term of their production method, meaning that they’re quite similar to 2D flash animations since the in-between frames of character’s animation were vectorized and generated using advance software tools. As well as entirely computer generated for backgrounds and objects.


Anime is still drawn by hand, and most of the time on paper. In-betweens are also done by hand, which is why there is outsourced work to Korea and China for that sort of grunt work. There are some Flash animators in the anime industry, but they also use Flash to draw traditionally. Background art is also either painted or composited photographs. CGI backgrounds are typically used for sequences with more complex camera movements. Mechanical animation on the other hand is typically CGI these days.
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Two dimensional animation, especially with anime is an aesthetic.

Unless they find a way to emulate 2D in 3D and make it cheaper (I'm not sure if Paperman was cheaper than 2D in the end for those who've seen that pixar animation) it's not going to happen. Even if they could emulate 2D in 3D, it wouldn't matter if it was 3D because it would look the same as 2D. If it didn't look exactly the same, the fans would see to it that 3D anime never saw the light of day again.
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American children's movies all went 3D... It could possibly happen to animu. Bu anime isn't for kids!, you say. Well, there were some drawn films for adults as well in the past, but those are all gone too.

Japanese have different ideals/aesthetics than we do (TO A DEGREE), though so I'm not sure. Depends on how important 2D boobies are I guess.
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American children's movies all went 3D... It could possibly happen to animu. Bu anime isn't for kids!, you say. Well, there were some drawn films for adults as well in the past, but those are all gone too.

Japanese have different ideals/aesthetics than we do (TO A DEGREE), though so I'm not sure. Depends on how important 2D boobies are I guess.


Not all children's movies in the US went that way, only those by Pixar and very few others. Also, just like with anime films that are done entirely as 3D CG - it's EXTREMELY NICHE.

Anime is not one genre or one style aimed at one demographic. When every single non-real TV show becomes done in 3D CG in America, THEN you will have a point. Otherwise, what you just said is literally saying nothing. You said "one tiny very specifically aimed type of movie in the US is done in that fashion a lot" which really has no baring on an ENTIRE AND MASSIVE INDUSTRY.
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gargS said:
deadjames said:
I'm kind of confused, do you mean all anime? Because we already have some full 3D anime now, Advent Children was already mentioned and there's also Vexille, TO, Oblivion Island, and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within to name a few others.

Yes. But I am not talking about CG like in Advent Children but rather like Berserk movie and the video I posted in my last comment.
I'm pretty sure that video is cel shaded and not CGI, but to it's credit that's some of the best goddamn cel shading I've ever seen.
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