What do you think of the dutch laws considering the habit of smoking?
Reasonable - And I am a smoker.
12.7%
20
Not Reasonable - And I am a smoker.
5.7%
9
Reasonable - And I am not a smoker.
67.1%
106
Not Reasonable - And I am not a smoker.
14.6%
23
158 votes
Rpgwiz99 said: Yea my dad works in a hospitial and people on their death bed from cigarates still manage to get their smoke breaks. Truly, human willpower never cease to amaze me. |
| Quite honestly it should depend on what type of public place it is, and not all public places in general. Hospitals (and other health institutions), malls and other "family areas," and other large public institutions I can't think of at the moment should have a ban in place. However; restaurants, bars, and other privately owned places of the like should be allowed to chose for themselves (assuming capitalism is in place). If it ends up hurting them, then it ends up hurting their own sales and that is that. |
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| I find it very unreasonable to ban it from pubs/bars(if the owner allows it), but I can see how you would want to keep it away from "family areas" as stated above. |
| I am a smoker and my country also has that law. The smoking habits did not change. If you want to smoke you just leave the building, smoke and then enter back. It turned quite a natural thing to do. And, even as a smoker, the places feel much cleaner now. |
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ladyxzeus said: And, even as a smoker, the places feel much cleaner now. Because they aren't covered in a thick layer of smoke residue. After my father died of cancer (he was a chain smoker and an alcoholic), we were cleaning his house; we took down the curtains and put them in a bathtub with detergent to clean them. The water turned brown. Dark, dark brown. And it smelled disgusting. He had only lived in that house for about five years. Anytime we removed something that had been hanging on the wall, there was always an outline of where it had been. Everything in the house was covered with a thick layer of residue. And that shit is in your lungs :D |
| I don't necessarily like things being done and enforced via government, but I do think the law is reasonable. It's a pointless habit, people can take it outside very easily, and there are people with health conditions who really have a hard time around smoke. If I lowered my fly and took a leak all over someone, It'd be illegal. Smoking around someone makes you and them smell like shit, and is toxic, so it's not really much different, except it doesn't get you wet, and it's "area of effect" ;). |
| I am undecided about this law. We had it passed in Washington, and I have to say, things feel cleaner and I think it is good for the general public. However, my only problem with it is, I have a problem with the government trying to step in and enforce rules on privately owned businesses. I would imagine that it would be in the best interest of many restaurants at this point in time, to not allow smoking. Especially family type places. Government buildings - no smoking. I think that even smokers would not complain. I for one have no problem with it - mostly because I'm not so much of a dick as to smoke around people who don't like it. I also will not smoke in the vicinity of children. But I do think that if a bar wants to allow smoking, that should be their business. |
lizguana said: But I do think that if a bar wants to allow smoking, that should be their business. But it's a restaurant, like any other, and it presents a danger for the people working there to be around it all the time. I'm against too much government control as well, but I think this is a necessary law. If someone wants to kill themselves on their own property, that's fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to kill me too. |
ScrumYummy said: lizguana said: But I do think that if a bar wants to allow smoking, that should be their business. But it's a restaurant, like any other, and it presents a danger for the people working there to be around it all the time. I'm against too much government control as well, but I think this is a necessary law. If someone wants to kill themselves on their own property, that's fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to kill me too. I totally see your point, and it would be like minded people such as yourself that would create business for a non-smoking establishment. And if the smoking establishment loses business/workers, than they will have to become non smoking. It is in the interest of supply-demand. |
| Laws like that have been put forth here for a while now. My vote: Not Reasonable - And I am a smoker. |
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| Only to some extent but people take the shit overboard at times. |
| A habit like smoking would take all my money, so i'd rather not. Although i don't have any problems with smoking or smokers. |
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| I have no problem with people smoking or putting any substance whatsoever into their own bodies. I do however, have a problem when such habits affect the other people around them. As much as I am against government intervention in a person's life, I feel that this is a necessary law for public places. If the government seeks to regulate smoking or other substance use in a private setting however, I will not agree to that. |
thedarkestandy said: A habit like smoking would take all my money, so i'd rather not. Although i don't have any problems with smoking or smokers. it is expensive but its very relaxing, but avoid it cause it burns paper lije a forest fire... |
| Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. |
| Perelman, martyr |
| I wish they put this law in my country |
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| such biased opinions... |
midori-chan89 said: Now that's a bird absurd and short sighted considering that a lot of people are addicted to it and they started it when it was legal. There's a reason it's hard to quit smoking. It's like banning food for them.I agree, smoking should be banned. 1: I don't smoke. 2: I hate the smell of cigarettes and am annoyed by smokers. 3: I think it should be legal to do in all public places. There are more things that annoy me, I'm annoyed by people talking to loud and enthusiastic, I'm annoyed when people reveal too much of their body, when people make extremely attendant phone calls in public transport. However it are public places. Believe me, needing a smoke and not being able to is a lot harder to go through than some-one smoking near you. My house, my rules however and here no smoking please. But if people can make phone calls on the train then let them smoke, you can ask them to stop and if they don't you rape their daughter. Rpgwiz99 said: And yours isn't? The only reason you want it legal is because you smoke.such biased opinions... |
| Perelman, martyr |
| This had already happened (no smoking in public infrastructure) in France long ago (1st feb. 07 for most place like school, bus, work place, then 1st jan. 08 for all public one like pub or restaurant), and it works well. It might be a bit annoying for smokers I guess but that's still something good for everyone, in my opinion (once smokers got used to it, they had no problem about it anymore, at least the ones I know). |
nihlniisadxhai said: Rpgwiz99 said: And yours isn't? The only reason you want it legal is because you smoke.such biased opinions... and the only reason others want it illigal is because they dont, I mean even you dont smoke but still said this: nihlniisadxhai said: Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. regardless of reasons you agreed that it should be legal... |
Rpgwiz99 said: 'I am not wrong because every-one is wrong in the same way but they are indeed wrong.'and the only reason others want it illigal is because they dont, I mean even you dont smoke but still said this: Rpgwiz99 What you just said is: [quote=nihlniisadxhai said: Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. regardless of reasons you agreed that it should be legal...I also gave some actual arguments, and I'm unbiased, you aren't. And you got into jail too. I got forced institutionalized three times though. \o/ |
| Perelman, martyr |
nihlniisadxhai said: I also gave some actual arguments, and I'm unbiased, you aren't. And you got into jail too. I got forced institutionalized three times though. o/Rpgwiz99 said: 'I am not wrong because every-one is wrong in the same way but they are indeed wrong.'and the only reason others want it illigal is because they dont, I mean even you dont smoke but still said this: Rpgwiz99 What you just said is: [quote=nihlniisadxhai said: Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. regardless of reasons you agreed that it should be legal... wow 3 times, Ive been in about 7-8 for bad behavior growing up too |
Rpgwiz99 said: Difference is that I wasn't a bad boy but simply tossed some hot coffee over a psychiatrist after he didn't get into my elaborate philosophical argument about why the shit he claims is bull.nihlniisadxhai said: Rpgwiz99 said: 'I am not wrong because every-one is wrong in the same way but they are indeed wrong.'and the only reason others want it illigal is because they dont, I mean even you dont smoke but still said this: Rpgwiz99 said: I also gave some actual arguments, and I'm unbiased, you aren't. And you got into jail too. I got forced institutionalized three times though. o/What you just said is: nihlniisadxhai said: Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. regardless of reasons you agreed that it should be legal... wow 3 times, Ive been in about 7-8 for bad behavior growing up too These guys haven't even heard of terms like 'naïve realism', 'argumentum ad populum', 'argumentum ad naturale', 'ex contradictione quodlibet', 'proposition', 'formal system' and so on and they supposedly know what's best for me? |
| Perelman, martyr |
nihlniisadxhai said: Rpgwiz99 said: Difference is that I wasn't a bad boy but simply tossed some hot coffee over a psychiatrist after he didn't get into my elaborate philosophical argument about why the shit he claims is bull.nihlniisadxhai said: Rpgwiz99 said: 'I am not wrong because every-one is wrong in the same way but they are indeed wrong.'and the only reason others want it illigal is because they dont, I mean even you dont smoke but still said this: Rpgwiz99 said: I also gave some actual arguments, and I'm unbiased, you aren't. And you got into jail too. I got forced institutionalized three times though. o/What you just said is: nihlniisadxhai said: Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. regardless of reasons you agreed that it should be legal... wow 3 times, Ive been in about 7-8 for bad behavior growing up too These guys haven't even heard of terms like 'naïve realism', 'argumentum ad populum', 'argumentum ad naturale', 'ex contradictione quodlibet', 'proposition', 'formal system' and so on and they supposedly know what's best for me? hmm, you think tossing hot coffee on something isnt bad? |
Rpgwiz99 said: Not just some-thing, a psychiatrist my kind man.nihlniisadxhai said: Rpgwiz99 said: Difference is that I wasn't a bad boy but simply tossed some hot coffee over a psychiatrist after he didn't get into my elaborate philosophical argument about why the shit he claims is bull.nihlniisadxhai said: Rpgwiz99 said: 'I am not wrong because every-one is wrong in the same way but they are indeed wrong.'and the only reason others want it illigal is because they dont, I mean even you dont smoke but still said this: Rpgwiz99 said: I also gave some actual arguments, and I'm unbiased, you aren't. And you got into jail too. I got forced institutionalized three times though. o/What you just said is: nihlniisadxhai said: Bad idea, stupid people should die sooner. regardless of reasons you agreed that it should be legal... wow 3 times, Ive been in about 7-8 for bad behavior growing up too These guys haven't even heard of terms like 'naïve realism', 'argumentum ad populum', 'argumentum ad naturale', 'ex contradictione quodlibet', 'proposition', 'formal system' and so on and they supposedly know what's best for me? hmm, you think tossing hot coffee on something isnt bad? |
| Perelman, martyr |
Miyako-chan said: Why don't we all have a smoke and get along with each other xD you got the weed, im on my last blunt now... |
| Reasonable, I don't smoke myself. If a smoker smokes in a public place, non-smokers are forced to sit in that smell. Especially if people have to work there. |
| *dig dig* ^^ Not Reasonable - And I am not a smoker. "Smoking kills, to bad its to slow to make it an effective evolution tool* Mod edit: Bumping old threads is highly frowned upon. You have been sent an official warning. |
desolatoDec 12, 2010 2:34 PM
| That's the stupidest law ever created -_- It's been several years since they're trying to forbid smoking in public places in my country too, but it just won't happen. Cigarettes here have always been reeeeally cheap (approximately 2.50 lv or 1.28 Euro/1.06 Pounds). Now they're trying to stop us from smoking by rising the prices, and they'd try to forbid smoking in public places (it will never happen :D we're dogs) So yeah...I'm a smoker, I enjoy smoking and I have no intentions of stoping, neither I think it's wrong (well yeah it's bad and kill, but I don't care -_-) |
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| I don't know how anyone can smoke. It is a disgusting habit and truly one of the worst smells in existence. There is nothing worse then walking around and having some rude person blow a cloud of the foul smelling stuff in your face. If you want to do it, do it somewhere else. I don't need that nasty tar filling my lungs, thank you. It's revolting. So yes. I support this law. |
KipperchaDec 12, 2010 2:31 PM
| The law was made to protect the none smokers. People who get killed by being near smokers. And if a smoker has no common sense and is ignorant to the environment, then he should be punished. Laws are made to prevent senseless people from harming others. |
| I support it. Prevents harm to non-smokers from Passive Smoking as stated by LiarK above me. This limitation is one step of improvement in the health of society. And remember kids, smoking kills. |
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| ^agreed 100% with both of you, I support it as well. |
| I don't like to be near people who smokes. It irritates my nose and it puts my lungs in danger :( |
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| Because it's 2 years old that means it's now invalid...? It's just like all the other threads allowing discussion, just on whether banning smoking is reasonable or not. |
| It's too reasonable, this way, non-smokers won't be hurt by the smoke of the smokers thus retain their health/convenience, and smokers can smoke outside if they would like, I really wish such law would be enforced in my country. |
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| We have the same law in New Zealand. I think it's fair. Edit: Holy crap this thread is old. O_O |
| New York City is not any different from where you live now. |
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| i agree cuz smoke smells horrible and it helps stops spreading second-hand smoke ^^ |
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BigGayLawyer said: the law for that was passed not long ago and i agree i hate when peple smoke in public, several times ive had a problem with being in a room with people smoking and not been able to breath properly and had a panic attack =_= Me too, I am studying in a studio for preparing work bag for my art college studies and any brake we take there is allways this stinky smell and breathless feeling of those smokes of the other students who is with me (Except me, there are also 3 guys and one more who is currently rehabiliting who aren't smoking) |
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