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Oct 3, 2008 12:04 PM
#1
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This would make a great love/comedy anime. I didn't think that Saber would go all by herself to face the other servant. I guess that servants have their own will after all. Enough marathoning for today. My head aches. |
Dec 11, 2008 10:46 PM
#2
Dec 20, 2008 2:32 AM
#3
Yay for harem ! Nice episode, Tohsaka is cuuuuute. Also, I didn't expect that from Saber. |
Apr 28, 2009 7:08 AM
#4
Shirou is really too damn trusting... That shinji guy is obviously plotting something. More servants are introduced, getting interesting next episode. And I don't think you people should call this a harem. Its degrading the show. This is definitely not a harem, its the same as calling clannad a harem. Theres a friggin difference. |
Apr 28, 2009 8:17 AM
#5
halberdiers said: And I don't think you people should call this a harem. Its degrading the show. This is definitely not a harem, its the same as calling clannad a harem. Theres a friggin difference. It's a show with strong harem elements. So it's a harem. |
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Jun 5, 2009 1:59 PM
#8
Rider.. Apparently, the blood-thirst Shinji tricked Shirow to join him as a team to defeat Tohsaka Rin, claiming that he didn't kill anybody or forced Rider to devour the souls of his classmates. However, Shirow isn't as foolish as he appears. Shirow chooses to refuse the alliance and instead, inform Rin of it. In the end, Tohsaka Rin brought her bag and decided to live with Shirow along with Saber. However, Fuji-nee and Sakura are not happy at the sight of Shirow living with two ladies, especially that one of them is Tohsaka Rin. Nonetheless, Rin easily defeated Fuji-nee in terms of explanation, going on about hotel expenses and her home renovations.. Sakura seems suspicious, however.. I am guessing that she is one of the masters, considering that Shinji was one. Perhaps, Sakura's servant is the Gilgamesh guy or possibly somebody else. Based on Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Codes, the only one who hasn't appeared would be the guy in gold armor. Or maybe, its actually Lancer as that his master never appeared. However, it wouldn't make any sense that Sakura tried to kill Shirow since she likes him or maybe, what she truly likes is the Holy Grail and those command spells imprinted onto Shirow's hand which enables him to hand out absolute orders to Saber. Saber Saber is going to disobey Shirow for the first or is this the second time? She will be charging over to Ryuudouji to fight Assassin and Castor all by herself when Rin and Shirow go to sleep. Archer, on the other hand is responsible for scouting the area as a safety measure which means he won't care if Saber goes off to battle or die. |
Jun 9, 2009 6:20 AM
#9
halberdiers said: Well the turn of events are pointing stronger towards a harem, but I definitely didn't expect Saber to go off and make that decision on her own, but its good because all we've seen for a while is Emiya running around and not doing much, at least now we get to see more Saber.Shirou is really too damn trusting... That shinji guy is obviously plotting something. More servants are introduced, getting interesting next episode. And I don't think you people should call this a harem. Its degrading the show. This is definitely not a harem, its the same as calling clannad a harem. Theres a friggin difference. |
Sep 26, 2009 11:59 AM
#10
Heck yeh!! this got more interesting... S Shinji is Sakura's bro?? Oh I didn't knew that... Well I guess that brings Sakura closer to the Holy Grail War... and to the fact that she could be a Master... Yet Shinji tells Shirou she hasn't been raised as a Master/Sorceror/Magician.... First of all.. I dunno what Shinji is plotting... But heck if that Emiya prick somehow agrees to team up with Shinji or do something for Shinji then I'll teltransport myself into the anime and kill Shirou on my own.... He's still useless and stupid in this episode... I totally agree with Saber.... What you're waiting for? Not shedding a dorp of blood in this ruthless War... not Chance dude... Poor saber... I can't understand why she actually disobeyed Shirou this time... I guess she has reached the point where you think you're boss is useless you hate him and you wanna do something he told to not do...Thou she's not disobeying him... He actually told her to go by herself!!! WOW next epi will be really interesting :D Signs, Green |
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Sep 29, 2009 2:20 PM
#11
lol that reminded me of Elfen Lied when everyone starts moving in. Hmm so there are 7 masters and servants: Emiya and Saber, Rin and Archer, ? and Lancer, Von whatsername and Berserker, Shinji and Rider, Witch lady and ?, possible student and ?. Interesting to see how their stories and fights will pan out as the series continues ^_^ |
Oct 19, 2009 2:54 PM
#12
Oct 20, 2009 5:06 PM
#13
Emiya is sooo useless and powerless, bleh XP |
Nov 8, 2009 9:22 PM
#14
Nov 28, 2009 1:43 AM
#15
Good episode, kind of interesting that Saber appears to be taking things into her own hands. |
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Jan 22, 2010 9:01 PM
#16
Feb 18, 2010 1:40 AM
#17
So Saber decides to take the initiative....I'm assuming something will go wrong. Also, I was a little surprised Tohsaka moved in...isn't she just going to make it harder for herself when she has to fight Emiya?...Well I'm sure there will be some plot twists later on. |
Sep 20, 2010 8:55 AM
#18
saxophone15 said: So Saber decides to take the initiative....I'm assuming something will go wrong. Also, I was a little surprised Tohsaka moved in...isn't she just going to make it harder for herself when she has to fight Emiya?...Well I'm sure there will be some plot twists later on. I guess she kinda likes him... But I don't think it will be a big deal for her to try and kill Shirou. She's really cold when she wants too. But what I liked was Saber taking matters into her own hands. It's gonna be interesting next episode. I'm just glad that I still don't have much work at school so I can watch 5 or 6 in a row. I'm really liking this. |
Dec 20, 2010 7:46 PM
#19
Well, I guess I can't stop watching now after that ending. The Servant with the katana looks pretty badass. Nice that Saber decides to act against Shirou's orders, though I suppose that's very fitting, considering how many times he's gone against her advice. However I don't see this fight ending very well for her =/ It was also pretty funny how Rin just decided to move in with Shirou. Being the logical person that she is, though, shouldn't she have seen that she's just making it more difficult for later, when she inevitably has to fight him? Oh well, emotion does trump reason. |
Feb 10, 2011 10:09 AM
#20
Will Saber pull off this stunt behind her master?? Now i want to know what Saber's plan are when she gets a hold of the holy grail... |
Sep 13, 2011 2:04 PM
#21
Pretty stupid idea that Shirou goes to Shinji`s house when Shinji`s servant tried to kill him previously. Well, Shirou going to Shinji`s house and rider trying to kill him were from different routes in VN, so I guess I can let that one slip. |
Oct 31, 2011 6:30 PM
#22
Tsukaji said: Pretty stupid idea that Shirou goes to Shinji`s house when Shinji`s servant tried to kill him previously. Well, Shirou going to Shinji`s house and rider trying to kill him were from different routes in VN, so I guess I can let that one slip. Which makes this all the more stupid. What the fuck was Deen thinking? Do they want Shirou to look like a complete idiot or something. Looking at these forums...I guess they are succeeding. Still a pretty decent episode, though Shirou cautioning Saber to not "jump the gun" is laughably ironic given his actions. |
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Mar 31, 2012 6:38 PM
#23
lol im sensing the love now. Rin moving in woah... wutta development. i still dont trust that shinji is a good guy. Also why are ppl so stubborn in this anime. like this time its not emiya but saber.. |
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May 7, 2012 4:27 AM
#24
Ok, first we have the worst protagonist in the story. Now the anime becomes a fucking harem? I am about to drop this shit The characters in this anime are the dumbest ever |
Jun 29, 2012 11:15 AM
#25
Shiro just gets more and more annoying doesnt he.... I love how Rin just moved in and came up with a reason why as quick as she did. I really like her as a character. Sakura still annoys me and im starting to think she has a bigger part in this story then she comes off as. Either she really has something against Tohsaka or she just doesn't want Shiro around other girls. But her brother doesn't like Tohsaka either so there has to be a connection I really love how Saber disobeyed Shiro and went on her own, that was really brave of her. I understand Shiro doesn't want anyone to get hurt but if he doesnt go on offense he will be in defense forever and sooner or later his defense will crumble. i agree with Saber that they need to take the initiative. |
Jul 1, 2012 5:29 PM
#26
Huh, I have to say, I can't really agree with the majority here. I found it pretty wisely from Shirou to not attack the Ryuudou temple without knowing anything about the enemy. But no, Saber just has to be THAT stupid to disobey and run defiantly to a battle while not fully recovered. Seriously, that move wasn't brave, it was pretty dumb and so far I really can't understand why she's so popular. I do understand that Shirou shouldn't be so dismissive about her fighting, but I somehow get the feeling that you don't understand his character, like, at all. That guy is protective and in all honesty, can you blame him after what he'd gone through ten years ago? He doesn't want anyone to die anymore - ever heard of survival guilt? Anyway, I'm kinda sad that I dislike Saber, because I thought she would wind up as a favorite character of mine... Oh well. |
Aug 22, 2012 6:34 AM
#27
Saber is being pretty dumb. To me, it seems like Rider might be teaming up with the temple person to take them out and telling Shiro of the location so they run into their trap. But that is just a possibility. |
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Dec 4, 2012 6:57 AM
#28
Feb 17, 2013 12:34 AM
#29
Mar 4, 2013 11:59 PM
#30
Apr 24, 2013 11:49 PM
#31
Yuufa-san said: Huh, I have to say, I can't really agree with the majority here. I found it pretty wisely from Shirou to not attack the Ryuudou temple without knowing anything about the enemy. But no, Saber just has to be THAT stupid to disobey and run defiantly to a battle while not fully recovered. Seriously, that move wasn't brave, it was pretty dumb and so far I really can't understand why she's so popular. I do understand that Shirou shouldn't be so dismissive about her fighting, but I somehow get the feeling that you don't understand his character, like, at all. That guy is protective and in all honesty, can you blame him after what he'd gone through ten years ago? He doesn't want anyone to die anymore - ever heard of survival guilt? Anyway, I'm kinda sad that I dislike Saber, because I thought she would wind up as a favorite character of mine... Oh well. Uhm, being kind hearted is different from being naive, if you do know. Shiro went through hell and still being as naive as an infant, he learned nothing in his 15 years of living, hmm? Another thing I realised, he trusts women far more easily than men, sexist much? Or just the part of bad writing, to make him the so-good-guy-who-attracts-bishoujo, the kind of guy like Kirito who people hated so much with passion? He trusts Tohsaka far too easily, but still kept his guard up around that other guy, he's weak against women, that's for sure, that's one attribute I won't like.. As for people who said that Saber was stupid, well she just wanted to make her master's safety the priority, so she went on to do some information gathering, because her master is such a stupid dumb naive piece of useless junk that only know how to bring more trouble for other and try to be considerate but actually the did the opposite without knowing.. Shiro said something like not wanting to sacrifice anyone, but he has to come up with a plan, right? Not sitting still to let other people take his life, stupidity has no cure. Does he really believe that other people are as kind as him, after all he went through when he was younger? Sigh I heard the VN was better but I never played a VN before, not sure if I should continue watching this or play the VN before going into Fate Zero.. |
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Apr 25, 2013 2:40 AM
#32
Natsu12345 said: Yuufa-san said: Huh, I have to say, I can't really agree with the majority here. I found it pretty wisely from Shirou to not attack the Ryuudou temple without knowing anything about the enemy. But no, Saber just has to be THAT stupid to disobey and run defiantly to a battle while not fully recovered. Seriously, that move wasn't brave, it was pretty dumb and so far I really can't understand why she's so popular. I do understand that Shirou shouldn't be so dismissive about her fighting, but I somehow get the feeling that you don't understand his character, like, at all. That guy is protective and in all honesty, can you blame him after what he'd gone through ten years ago? He doesn't want anyone to die anymore - ever heard of survival guilt? Anyway, I'm kinda sad that I dislike Saber, because I thought she would wind up as a favorite character of mine... Oh well. Uhm, being kind hearted is different from being naive, if you do know. Shiro went through hell and still being as naive as an infant, he learned nothing in his 15 years of living, hmm? Another thing I realised, he trusts women far more easily than men, sexist much? Or just the part of bad writing, to make him the so-good-guy-who-attracts-bishoujo, the kind of guy like Kirito who people hated so much with passion? He trusts Tohsaka far too easily, but still kept his guard up around that other guy, he's weak against women, that's for sure, that's one attribute I won't like.. As for people who said that Saber was stupid, well she just wanted to make her master's safety the priority, so she went on to do some information gathering, because her master is such a stupid dumb naive piece of useless junk that only know how to bring more trouble for other and try to be considerate but actually the did the opposite without knowing.. Shiro said something like not wanting to sacrifice anyone, but he has to come up with a plan, right? Not sitting still to let other people take his life, stupidity has no cure. Does he really believe that other people are as kind as him, after all he went through when he was younger? Sigh I heard the VN was better but I never played a VN before, not sure if I should continue watching this or play the VN before going into Fate Zero.. Shirou learned ALOT in 15 years. Even Shirou knows he cant save everyone.. Then why does he still try? Because he is like Kiritsugu in a way. Kiritusugu also knows his ideal is impossible, yet tries for it because he finds it BEAUTIFUL, or something worth trying for. And Shirou has the same attitude. Its explained clearly in the UBW route of the VN.Its not like he trust 'women' easily. Seriously, where did you get that idea? Shirou likes Tohsaka in a way and Tohsaka knew Shirou from start. Its in the HF story. So him trusting Tohsaka isnt actually stupid. In fact, Saber herself says it- Its a WISE decision to ally with Tohsaka because she is a type of person who has an attitude of not keeping anything in debt AND she is powerful and CAN and DOES teach Shirou the magic. Saber doesnt prioritize Info. Gathering THAT much. She wants to defeat Servants actually. Also, If Shirou went there, he would have been teleported away from Saber to Caster inside the temple while Assassin stops Saber( This is from the Bad End in VN which shows what if Shirou and Saber would have attacked and went into the trap) No, he doesnt believes everyone is kind.THATS the reason why he's fighting the war in the first place. Shirou KNOWS what can happen if Grail falls in bad hands more than anyone else. But he doesnt want to sacrifice innocent people( Saber can increase her power by sucking other people's mana. Thats a plan, but this involves innocent people).Shirou isnt useless. Its just that he cant transfer magic properly. But his power is kickass. Remember something- Shirou's house has an EXCELLENT boundary field. In fact, Rin herself said- Shirou's house is an excellent strategic place. Thus Shirou wants to not go into offense. And Shirou himself dont want to kill innocent people. Yet Shirou IS ready to kill( With Shinji and Kotomine). Read the VN. Its ALOT better than the FSN anime and is equal to Fate Zero. The anime isnt a good adaptation. |
Apr 25, 2013 3:00 AM
#33
Natsu12345 said: Yuufa-san said: Huh, I have to say, I can't really agree with the majority here. I found it pretty wisely from Shirou to not attack the Ryuudou temple without knowing anything about the enemy. But no, Saber just has to be THAT stupid to disobey and run defiantly to a battle while not fully recovered. Seriously, that move wasn't brave, it was pretty dumb and so far I really can't understand why she's so popular. I do understand that Shirou shouldn't be so dismissive about her fighting, but I somehow get the feeling that you don't understand his character, like, at all. That guy is protective and in all honesty, can you blame him after what he'd gone through ten years ago? He doesn't want anyone to die anymore - ever heard of survival guilt? Anyway, I'm kinda sad that I dislike Saber, because I thought she would wind up as a favorite character of mine... Oh well. Uhm, being kind hearted is different from being naive, if you do know. Shiro went through hell and still being as naive as an infant, he learned nothing in his 15 years of living, hmm? Another thing I realised, he trusts women far more easily than men, sexist much? Or just the part of bad writing, to make him the so-good-guy-who-attracts-bishoujo, the kind of guy like Kirito who people hated so much with passion? He trusts Tohsaka far too easily, but still kept his guard up around that other guy, he's weak against women, that's for sure, that's one attribute I won't like.. As for people who said that Saber was stupid, well she just wanted to make her master's safety the priority, so she went on to do some information gathering, because her master is such a stupid dumb naive piece of useless junk that only know how to bring more trouble for other and try to be considerate but actually the did the opposite without knowing.. Shiro said something like not wanting to sacrifice anyone, but he has to come up with a plan, right? Not sitting still to let other people take his life, stupidity has no cure. Does he really believe that other people are as kind as him, after all he went through when he was younger? Sigh I heard the VN was better but I never played a VN before, not sure if I should continue watching this or play the VN before going into Fate Zero.. People should start to distrust people because they were victims of a massive fire that they dont even know if it was an accident?Seems reasonable. Also the logic of boy+girls=bad writing...Seems legit. He is friends with Issei someone who he trusts but he has nothing to do with the war or at least thats how it is supposed to be,since in the VN he kills you if you ask him about the temple and the woman(Caster) that lives there You also forget how he still trusts and is even friends with one of the biggest piece of shit anime chars in anime history, Shinji who most definitely isnt a female.And lets see about Rin:She is a far better Master that can at any time KILL him but instead she chooses to go out of her way in order to help him.Why wouldnt he trust her? Who is the other guy?Kotomine?YEah...every char keeps his guard around that guy and Rin doesnt like him either yet Shirou should be in good terms to satisfy your preference? Saber someone with more experience in wars and even a Holy grail war,instead of sitting down with him and discussing a plan goes on her own.Seems pretty ok. Shirou, with the exception of his projection, is just another normal guy with no idea about magi or wars.Surely he should be able to come up with a good plan...I mean what is stopping him? If Saber wanted to make sure about his safety she should have stayed by his side.There is no logic in her action when,except Assassin and Caster there are another 4 normal Servants going around. |
Jun 13, 2013 4:24 AM
#34
lol XD rin now living in shiro house... shiro is so funny when trying to talk to rin :3 damn this tsundere girl is giving me more moe this time :3 |
Jul 21, 2013 6:43 PM
#35
Haha, Shirou is looking more and more like a harem king with every episode. |
Feb 2, 2014 1:58 AM
#36
God damn, I mean Shirou is becoming a male gigolo. All those girls in one house. I hope this doesn't turn into one of those half assed shitty harems. Best harem I saw so far was Negima! and Negima!? But this? I really hope the future episodes improve, otherwise I'll just end up reading the visual novel. Fate/Zero, or so I've heard, is a hell of a lot better anyways. |
Feb 2, 2014 2:50 AM
#37
ItsukiKoizumi said: otherwise I'll just end up reading the visual novel. Fate/Zero, or so I've heard, is a hell of a lot better anyways. Stop right now and go read it. |
Feb 3, 2014 2:44 PM
#38
Kirishiro-chan said: God damn, I mean Shirou is becoming a male gigolo. All those girls in one house. I hope this doesn't turn into one of those half assed shitty harems. Best harem I saw so far was Negima! and Negima!? But this? I really hope the future episodes improve, otherwise I'll just end up reading the visual novel. Fate/Zero, or so I've heard, is a hell of a lot better anyways. Lol I found it funny that you had nothing but good things to say for all the previous ep's but did a 180 this ep. Don't worry, if you were enjoying it up until this point it'l get good again soon. |
Feb 3, 2014 9:36 PM
#39
Stanfoo said: Then go shit again.Kirishiro-chan said: God damn, I mean Shirou is becoming a male gigolo. All those girls in one house. I hope this doesn't turn into one of those half assed shitty harems. Best harem I saw so far was Negima! and Negima!? But this? I really hope the future episodes improve, otherwise I'll just end up reading the visual novel. Fate/Zero, or so I've heard, is a hell of a lot better anyways. Lol I found it funny that you had nothing but good things to say for all the previous ep's but did a 180 this ep. Don't worry, if you were enjoying it up until this point it'l get good again soon. |
Feb 3, 2014 11:29 PM
#40
Stanfoo said: Kirishiro-chan said: God damn, I mean Shirou is becoming a male gigolo. All those girls in one house. I hope this doesn't turn into one of those half assed shitty harems. Best harem I saw so far was Negima! and Negima!? But this? I really hope the future episodes improve, otherwise I'll just end up reading the visual novel. Fate/Zero, or so I've heard, is a hell of a lot better anyways. Lol I found it funny that you had nothing but good things to say for all the previous ep's but did a 180 this ep. Don't worry, if you were enjoying it up until this point it'l get good again soon. Spoiler: it NEVER gets good. |
May 14, 2014 9:54 AM
#42
I wonder if shirou actually trust this guys answer about the missing girl since he does say hes iffy about his so called friend.I guess saber isint one for plans and waiting to long since rin and shirou actually made a good point.Its the enimies base why would you blindly charge in with no plan what so ever.It was funny how sakura just snapped back when rin tried to throw her out though rins explanation to taiga made sense so wonder why she didint say that to sakura in the first place.Anime still has my attention cant wait for next episode. |
Sep 9, 2014 5:54 PM
#43
What Rin said is contradicting to what Caster said in F/Z. Rin said that the servants usually come with similar traits/personality of their master but Gille de Rais, the Caster-class servant in F/Z said that he only had masters (except the last one) that didn't like seeing him killing people. It's a bit confusing, maybe Gille de Rais was only "unlucky". Fate/Stay night is not that bad, I don't see why people complain so much. Obviously F/Z was way better but we have to take in count that F/SN is 6 years older too. btw is this called "stay night" cuz everyone sleeps in the main character's house? *trollface* |
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Sep 10, 2014 6:39 AM
#44
Did you watch the dub?Because FZ Caster never mentioned other Masters to Ryuunosuke. |
Sep 10, 2014 7:15 AM
#45
ssjokg said: He did say he was lucky to have such an understanding master but other than that, I don't think he did either.Did you watch the dub?Because FZ Caster never mentioned other Masters to Ryuunosuke. |
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Sep 10, 2014 7:28 AM
#46
AnarchicSloth said: Thats what I mean.Heroic Spirits dont retain their memories of previous wars anyway.ssjokg said: He did say he was lucky to have such an understanding master but other than that, I don't think he did either.Did you watch the dub?Because FZ Caster never mentioned other Masters to Ryuunosuke. |
Sep 10, 2014 8:58 AM
#47
b1GZZ said: What Rin said is contradicting to what Caster said in F/Z. Rin said that the servants usually come with similar traits/personality of their master but Gille de Rais, the Caster-class servant in F/Z said that he only had masters (except the last one) that didn't like seeing him killing people. It's a bit confusing, maybe Gille de Rais was only "unlucky". Fate/Stay night is not that bad, I don't see why people complain so much. Obviously F/Z was way better but we have to take in count that F/SN is 6 years older too. btw is this called "stay night" cuz everyone sleeps in the main character's house? *trollface* F/0 Caster never talked about other masters. It is bad compared to source material, which is miles above Fate/Zero. Its like watching Uwe Boll movie. Also nope, FSN is one year older. FSN visual novel came out in 2005, first volume of fate/zero light novel came out in 2006. ssjokg said: AnarchicSloth said: Thats what I mean.Heroic Spirits dont retain their memories of previous wars anyway.ssjokg said: Did you watch the dub?Because FZ Caster never mentioned other Masters to Ryuunosuke. ^this, unless you are certain servants. |
Sep 10, 2014 9:02 AM
#48
Pretty sure he means the anime when he says 6 years. |
Sep 10, 2014 9:07 AM
#49
ssjokg said: Pretty sure he means the anime when he says 6 years. which could excuse animation quality(except that there are shows in 2006 that look miles better), but not storyline quality. |
Feb 18, 2015 3:18 AM
#50
lol poor Sakura, she just wants to spend some time with Shirou alone ^^ Rider is actually a good person, she just seems to have a shitty master :/ Rin decides to live with Shirou and doesn't even listen to his complains xD Oh Saber decides to ignore her master's orders, bad Saber! Next episode some fighting and some nice Rider scenes it seems <3 |
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