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| Wow, I don't even know where to begin...having marathoned the last 8 episodes yesterday and now this today, I must say that my mind has been raped like never before. Mostly in a good way. I thought the first scene was a good indication of what was to come. Disturbing, to say the least. The rest of the first half was absolutely brutal. Misato's death was quite emotional and well done, not overwrought in the slightest. And then, there was Asuka's death. Holy. Shit. I thought Touji's wrecking in episode 18 was bad, but this just completely blows that out of the water. The Evas tearing out her guts and mutilating her, having 10 Lances of Longinus pierce her, and then the disfigured corpse…the most terrifying and gruesome scenes in anime I have ever seen. The second half drops the physical action, but the intensity’s at least the same level. I was ambivalent towards the typical mindfuck scenes, but strangely enough I enjoyed the end. I loved the part when everyone explodes into orange juice, combined with the hilariously inappropriate music. Then again, Evangelion has a habit of using music to create ironic situations, and that’s been done a number of other times in this movie too I think. At the end I was hoping for an ending where everyone could reunite, and at least that was somewhat achieved with the somewhat hopeful and bittersweet ending. Guess Shinji and Asuka are the new Adam and Eve (being not exactly well-versed in the Bible, just about every other reference went way over my head). I suppose if I wanted to see a downright happy ending, I could watch Gurren Lagann again =/ I went into NGE without much background knowledge, and as such I was expecting yet another shounen/mecha series. Bad idea, since NGE is just so far removed from the standard fare mecha show. This is a work of art and a masterpiece, though I was nowhere near prepared for the psychological onslaught. I didn’t fully “get” the show, and probably should’ve watched similar-themed shows before moving on to this one so I could appreciate it more. Oh well, at the very least it demands respect for the huge risks it takes. Overall, around 9.5/10. Hope that Rebuild of Evangelion can top this =) |
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| I really liked this movie , understood most of it ( maybe, I think?) certainly not everything, or maybe misunterstood everything or @.@ ... I'm just gonna wait for the next movies. |
| I will never in a million years understand what I just watched. |
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skip the remaining 3 Evangellion movies The rebuild movies are much better than this garbage |
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| Pretty good. Really confusing. |
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| That was.. sooo weird. o_o But for some reason I enjoyed it more than the series. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| man who created that had to be crazy and psycho, That was the one hell weirdest show i've seen. I can't figure out how to rate it... I think i'm gonna take that as it was view onto crazy mind of pathological murderer with multiple personalities one of them was shinji-kun and they just forgot to mention it in series/movie, who, at the end, still ended up in his own world again. Ok i know im bit exaggerating but this was truly full of psychos :-X |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| I expected some mecha anime, but boy was I wrong. I swear the show and movie just fucked with my mind. My favorite char is definitely Asuka. |
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| This movie made me feel every single emotion available. One of the greatest fucking things I have ever seen. And Asuka's fight scenes are remarkable. |
| my head still hurts |
| Why is Shinji so stupid!!! |
| EoE was EVEN_WORSE than original ending. Well, this movie is a perfect mindfuck. And by "mindfuck" I mean: lots of incoherent, senseless bullshit thrown around, to appeal mindless hordes of plebeians, so they can say "EVA IZ GREAT COZ ITZ A MINDFUCK!!11 IT HAZ LOTZ OF PSYCHOLOGICAL STUFF (the very basics BTW) AND LOTZ OF SYMBOLISM!!!!!!!!!! IF U NO UNDERSTAND IT U MAD!!! (not that mindless plebeian understood it either, but he won't admit it)" +someone got the concept of evolution so fucking wrong that it actually hurts. In the end, whole evangelion plot doesn't hold water. Better even - IT DOESN'T MATTER. "Mindfuck" is all that matters. My guess is - mindfuck is very appealing to otakus/plebeians/pokemanz becouse it screws with their minds. And I bet 99% of said otakus, etc don't take drugs, so they're satisfied with what their favourite medium delivers as a substitute. [*break for dinner*] After seeing NGE and EoE, those who took lsd will probably say "hmmm... I've seen something similar before," those who watch anime for plot/fights/etc and disregard "mindfuck" (me...) will be dissatisfied (if not disgusted) with them (NGE and EoE). |
orzel286Dec 3, 2011 5:36 AM
| It seems funny that, when people dislike something, they always try to insult the fanbase of said thing to somehow justify their dislike. |
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| It was cool, whatever. I prefer the ambiguity of episodes 25+26 as the real ending. No shock value, just Shinji accepting himself. Because it's more important to love one's self before even bothering with what is reality and is life worth living. Though it got tiring to watch slideshow fever, looped animation, and still frames forever for the actual series and the recorded segment of this movie even if it was just to make a point. It was agonizing to watch. Incredibly so. To the point where I wanted out several times but stayed just to finish. I choice I mildly regret, but I'll stand by my first statement. |
| I find that with the endings to both the series and EoE I have needed to step back afterwards to reflect...only then do I begin to really comprehend it. I really liked EoE, it brought more closure than the series' ending did, mostly because it placed a greater emphasis on the other characters (though what did Misato have in store for Shinji when he came back? <shudders>) It was great to see Asuka finally snapping out of her depressed funk to kick some ass. As for the very end, I assume that Shinji and Asuka are meant to be some sort of Adam and Eve symbolism and it appears that their feelings for each other are finally more expressed (Asuka caressing Shinji's cheek) and her "how disgusting" quote shows that her personality has finally returned. As for what happens to Shinji and Asuka? Well I really don't know but they certainly were meant to be together if they both rejected instrumentality. It's certainly a bittersweet ending... |
| The table flip scene was the best scene I've ever seen in anime also ASUKA also he totally jacked off in the beginning |
| ...How am I supposed to rate this? I came upon NGE knowing it was NOT Code Geass but one giant mind rape. I was expecting more of a Bokurano vibe, really. I soon discovered that it was more psychological than depressing, as in a shit load more symbolism and in-depth thinking. If I had known that from the beginning, I would have planned some space inbetween episodes. I just marathoned the entire Neon Genesis Evangelion series, immediately followed by End of Evangelion. I now truly know what it means to be mind raped. I thought I knew before, as if it was just something that left you confused or depressed (like Cat Soup or Ima Soku ni Iru Boku, no big deal), but no, that's not it. That's just minor mind molestation. Some might even say it's the innapropriate flirting between a teacher and his student that never results in physical contact, just awkward conversations. But no. That was a full-on mind fuck. And the result: ...I didn't like it. I didn't dislike it. I really don't know. I think I understand the main jist of it, but there were so many parts, details large and small, that I have multiple theories about or have no clue whatsoever and can't figure out even after reading numerous forums and webpages. I am just really confused and don't know what to make out of it. I had problems with the series's end, so this was a nice conclusion, but while it explained some things, it ruined any chance I thought I had for making sense of this show. ...But it's not that unpleasant. I guess I like that I can speculate on so many different things. I'm given a myriad of thought possiblilities on single subjects from this show, which I've honestly never had after watching anything before. But I still don't know what I think of this show overall. I think it's something I'll have to keep rewatching over the years and pick up more and more things to consider before I really start to understand it. So it's not bad. ?/10 |
| I just want to say that I thought this was awesome but I have no idea how to rate this. |
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| what the fuck did i just watch? |
| I watched this movie awhile ago and loved it! I thought it all brought most everything into light and really was the best conclusion for a show I have ever seen. I think one of the only things that did not make any sense to me in the movie/ show (if anyone could shed light on this for me) exactly what the hell did Comander Ikari want differently than freaking seele. Was he just trying to use the instrumentality project to become god-like so he could form his own future vision? Because he seemes OK with what happened at the end of the movie (everyone bursting into LCL or whatever the essense is called) and that is whate Seele wanted too. So why the big fight and conflict? Anyway it was truly a masterpiece |
| For me there are still things I don't get .. either they were never explained or I simply missed it. May need to read some other discussions regarding NGE. Unlike the series, I enjoyed this a lot more. I also liked the last 2 episodes of the TV series and episode 19 I think, but particularly the first half of the TV series wasn't good imo. Now, how to rate them... this is going to be difficult. |
| I'm a returning Evangelion fan, meaning that I liked the series back then when it came out but only recently (when I'm finally mature) did I finally take the time to truly appreciate and understand the series. So recently I just finished the series, and this is my take: Finished End of Evangelion and I just wanna say I actually thought it was great. It was actually......uplifting, more so than I expected it to be, especially considering how people often talk about it saying that it's just pure mind-screw and depressing nonsense (which I greatly disagree with.) I think what's important to take into account is that a lot of the stuff that happened wasn't even symbolic: EVERYTHING is very literal. It actually revealed all the vital plot details in the end, and finally revealed the reason why only the young children could pilot the Evas: the souls of their mothers reside within the Evas and the connection of the psyche between parent and child is what allows them to function. Nearly everything was finally revealed (the connection between humanity/Angels, Seele's goal etc.), heck the only thing they never mentioned was the whole deal about the Lance of Longinus sealing Adam or Lillith (I had to research the full extent of this and yet it wasn't even that vital to the plot.) Now the only thing I can even nitpick about the whole of Evangelion was Episode 24 as its exposition (through Kaworu's reveal) was too rushed, to the point that it could cause general confusion. Otherwise I thought End of Evangelion was actually straightforward and perfect. Not to mention, it was far more uplifting than people often put it (an indication that one shouldn't always trust what people say and that you should experience them for yourself.) The imagery and psychological concepts was probably the thing that put people off since not everyone is quick to catch on with them, especially with the stylistic presentation of the events that transpired. Asuka finally showed off her prowess despite dying initially, Rei finds peace in realizing that she is actually a reincarnated form of Lillith as well as learning to appreciate her emotions through Shinji and of course Shinji, wow Shinji. For all the depressing things that Evangelion talks about, the final lesson it gives to its main protagonist and its viewers pretty much boils down to this: Learn to appreciate yourself more as well as life in general. 9/10 - Very ethereal yet precise in its explanation. Presents an interesting mythology with the conflict of humans/Angels (Adam/Lillith) as virtually similar beings that co-existed since the beginning of life on Earth. Character development and dialogue-interplay was brilliant. Gives an uplifting message in the end despite all the death and despair throughout the series. Amazing ending to the series, I would argue that it was only hampered down by the fact that Episode 24 of the series should've been divided into two episodes (instead of jam-packing all the info about "the reveal" in one go). |
ronriJan 12, 2013 8:57 PM
| This is Anno saying "fix'd" to the TV series. A masterpiece. Though I'm still thinking about that last scene to this day... |
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| i question why i gave this series another chance. the latter half was confusing as heck. |
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| oh my. i think it's one of the movies that intimidates me - when characters go through such a thorough emotional journey and you see how broken they are, the scars they carry. i did enjoy it though. i wasn't really looking for answers to unanswered questions from the series, and i thought this movie brought me closer to the characters. |
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| I am perfectly fine with the mindfuck imagery of this ending. What I don't like is that characters are decontextualized and their main traits raped for that process, to the point they are more like walking concepts and at times (what the fuck was that Katsuragi portrayal?) totally incoherent. I got disgusted and annoyed at the masturbation scene. Not only because of how unnecessarily graphic it was but because I couldn't see the same Shinji I had known from the series daring to do this. He is an extremely shy and insecure boy, for God's sake. As well as it works for the shock effect you can't have him jerking off in front of the body of a friend, in a familiar environment (the NERV hospital) and probably feeling observed. And it annoys me even more because it is used as an artificial resource to increase the degree of depression and guilt of the character to the point it turns from understandable to overdone and forced. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a character study. The end of Evangelion is just a bunch of high concepts. Saying this is the best ending the series could have is something I can't agree at all with. |
| I'm a biased fanboy, I know. But The End of Evangelion is my favourite film of all time, and in my opinion, an immensely satisfying ending to the series. It's one of the most rewatchable films I can think of; every time I view it, I notice something I didn't before. And it makes you think. The Classified Information files from NGE2 help a lot for the series as a whole ,but there's still so much symbolism and visual metaphors in the film that you can think about it for hours on end without getting bored. Not to mention the animation is gorgeous, and the editing, music, and voice acting are all perfect. Which doesn't mean the film is perfect. I agree that Shinji's masturbation scene was rather forced, and much of 26' could have been better edited, but overall it's still a masterpiece, and an amazing artistic achievement. |
I can't wipe my butt with the shreds of a wedding dress!! |
jal90 said: Neon Genesis Evangelion is a character study. The end of Evangelion is just a bunch of high concepts. Saying this is the best ending the series could have is something I can't agree at all with. While I agree with you to some degree, my reasoning lies in the fact that this ending fully fitted perfectly with the TV series (no not Evangelion as a whole, but the TV series in particular). The masturbation scene was unsettling no doubt, but it accentuated how far Shinji's mental state has truly been reduced for all the suffering he endured. He wasn't unknowingly being perverse or immoral, in fact his own self-awareness and guilt of simply desiring some form of comfort/gratification at such a dire situation was what made it all the more depressing in my eyes. I stand by my view of this film as the perfect ending to the TV series. I always felt that the series and this film represented how far one could push the characters to the brink of despair as well as showcasing the conflict of finding oneself while being caught in such a violent and chaotic world. As complementary piece, I then take the Rebuild films more as a form empowerment to the characters, finally giving and rewarding them what they deserved for so long. |
ronriJul 24, 2012 7:16 AM
| Well, after being mildly disappointed with the TV ending, I watched End of Evangelion. Throughout the first half, I was rather satisfied. Asuka has the most epic death ever and then Shinji gets in Unit 01. Right before it cut to the second half, you could see Unit 01 breaking off all of its restraints and letting out a massive scream as it went into complete berserker mode. I was thinking "Sweet, I finally get to see Unit 01 use it's full power and totally kill everybody out there to avenge Asuka's death." Then, it switches to the second half. Unit 01 does nothing, and gets carried into the sky by the flying Evas. They do some sort of magic AT field trick which makes the area around Unit 01 really shiny and colorful. Then, Rei gets into Adam and takes the form of an earth-sized Rei. Unit 01 was still not doing anything, and Shinji went back to how he was in episodes 25 and 26. Then, everyone on the earth gets their soul carried into a massive black orb, and then Shinji goes through a series of mental trials and then Rei's head gets cut in half and he returns to his human form. Movie ends as he tries to kill Askua while crying on the hellish surface of Earth. The second half came in way to quickly. I was seriously disappointed that Unit 01 didn't go berserk and kill everyone. In a single moment, the series went from epic finale to psycho mind-fuck existentialism like in the ending of the TV series. I would have been just fine with the ending if it didn't happen so abruptly. Also the imagery in the ending would have been much more disturbing if they had actually built up to it instead of bringing it all in at once. I'm seriously disappointed with the ending. |
LarasoJul 25, 2012 1:16 PM
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| another overrated piece of shit have fun wasting your life rewatching this crap and pretend your enjoy it over and over again cheers. |
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flaxman85 said: another overrated piece of shit have fun wasting your life rewatching this crap and pretend your enjoy it over and over again cheers. So much hate in this post I actually lol'd. |
| So...everyone is alive at the end, yeah? There's no more angels to worry about, and the only major problems are the destruction of NERV, and the seas apparently being made of blood now. Yeah. I'm guessing Rei is dead though, right? Considering she's...hardly normal. Anyways, better than the anime ending (since that wasn't really an ending), but it felt a bit rushed in the second half, yeah. I'm surprise Unit 01 couldn't do anything to the other Eva. Who by the way could revive themselves how? |
darkares said: So...everyone is alive at the end, yeah? There's no more angels to worry about, and the only major problems are the destruction of NERV, and the seas apparently being made of blood now. Yeah. I'm guessing Rei is dead though, right? Considering she's...hardly normal. Anyways, better than the anime ending (since that wasn't really an ending), but it felt a bit rushed in the second half, yeah. I'm surprise Unit 01 couldn't do anything to the other Eva. Who by the way could revive themselves how? Yup, pretty much that's how it ends. Glad you enjoyed it, though to address your last question: The Mass-Production Evas had their own in-built S2 Engine, meaning they didn't need the umbilical plugs to power them. It's similar to how Unit-01 later didn't need the plug as well and how it could easily regenerate. Also, the Mass-Production Evas were never really killed, since the only real way to kill an Eva or an Angel is by breaking its core (which Asuka never managed to achieve in her fight against the MP-Evas). Hope that helps! ^_^ |
| Freaking idiots if you can't understand what the film says. I'd consider this film a perfect work of art. |
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| Holy shit. That was absolutely genius. I don't know if the original series was quite at masterpiece level (the first half brings it down and I'd rather pretend the last 2 episodes don't exist), but this? To me, that was absolutely a damn masterpiece. I was a bit confused in the second half, but after reading a little bit up on the episode I think I've got it. Fantastic. It ties up enough threads to satisfy, but also keeps the right things ambiguous to keep people guessing - and evidently, people HAVE been talking about this series ever since it ended. I'm going to be thinking about this series and its ending for weeks, I'm absolutely sure, we'll see beyond that. I salute you, Neon Genesis Evangelion. I've doubted you many times, I've never been convinced enough to give you a try in all my years watching anime, but you proved me fucking wrong. I was stupid for not watching this sooner. A rare 10/10 for End of Evangelion. |
| Wow.. That was.. Weird.. The first half of the movie was quite good, but ever since Ayanami was unificated with Lilith till the very end I was like "Dafuq did I just watch" I definitely like the original ending of evangelion much more. I know that they were low on budget and End of Evangelion is in the intentions of author the real end, but I'd say that in my opinion, author accidentaly did something way much better, than he originally planned. So in my opinion: TV series ending FTW Maybe my problem is, that from the very beginning the whole ocultistic and religious like imaginery didn't really speak to me? I mean for me it was, like the author sat down, got bunch of books (Bible, some Jewish apocrypha ect.), mixed it up in his own way, cut something here, add something there, and tried to link it with mecha and his own life (experiences from depression etc.) I got even his quote: "There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice." I mean.. kinda without-insight action. But hey, when I watched anime I thought: "Let's pretend that I buy it" and then I enjoyed it greatly. Just with this movie it was too much... My mind was blown. Anyway I think, I like the message of this movie. |
| 4/5 |
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