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kFYatek said: cleo said: "I want to end this series with the story of DREAM AND HOPE, but I don't know if watchers will accept it that way." Now that's interesting. So Urobuchi wants to give us some happy ending. I hope he manages to do it in some appealing way, because I can't imagine a fitting ending which would be really full of "dream and hope". ...or he's just trolling us again. Food for thought... dreams and hope are things we have when the current situation isn't the best, and we wish that it improves. After all, what the use of having hope on a perfect world? ...Wait a second. If he's talking about hope (for the future) in an ending... than that means... second season? O.o |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."  |
cleo said: Season3 said: Does anyone have a gif of Kyubey eating his discarded self? I want to show it to a friend and freak him out a bit XD Not a gif, but Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzunqqrgy9k Can someone translate this? I think it says something about a prequel?  Thanks. |
kFYatek said: Now that's interesting. So Urobuchi wants to give us some happy ending. I hope he manages to do it in some appealing way, because I can't imagine a fitting ending which would be really full of "dream and hope". ...or he's just trolling us again. I think he's shown that hopes and dreams (wishes) come with a (heavy) prize. As Homura said: there are some things unreachable or unattainable, which you could not trade even your whole life for. So I think that if it'll get a happy ending, it'll cost them. Or the series ends with Prologue im Himmel :P |
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kFYatek said: cleo said: "I want to end this series with the story of DREAM AND HOPE, but I don't know if watchers will accept it that way." Now that's interesting. So Urobuchi wants to give us some happy ending. I hope he manages to do it in some appealing way, because I can't imagine a fitting ending which would be really full of "dream and hope". ...or he's just trolling us again. The well known fact is that Urobuchi has very different understanding from us about what's dream and what's hope. Whenever he writes any scenario, he says he wanted to make happy series (when it is full of sludge and horror, with ending that is depressing is fuck). He is also guy who went into years of slump after writing Saya no Uta, due to his inevitable of only being able to make depressing plot. For instance, like he did in Saya no Uta, he can kill every single person in the earth except Madoka and Homura, and call it 'DREAMS AND HOPE'. So, don't trust him. He says that all the time, yet never true. |
ringoo4 said: kFYatek said: cleo said: "I want to end this series with the story of DREAM AND HOPE, but I don't know if watchers will accept it that way." Now that's interesting. So Urobuchi wants to give us some happy ending. I hope he manages to do it in some appealing way, because I can't imagine a fitting ending which would be really full of "dream and hope". ...or he's just trolling us again. The well known fact is that Urobuchi has very different understanding from us about what's dream and what's hope. Whenever he writes any scenario, he says he wanted to make happy series (when it is full of sludge and horror, with ending that is depressing is fuck). He is also guy who went into years of slump after writing Saya no Uta, due to his inevitable of only being able to make depressing plot. For instance, like he did in Saya no Uta, he can kill every single person in the earth except Madoka and Homura, and call it 'DREAMS AND HOPE'. So, don't trust him. He says that all the time, yet never true. Gosh I loooooovvvvvvveeeeeeeee that guy. |
| i wondered why kyubey asked for help in the 1st episode when he can't even die at the first place. a trick to lure madoka into world of witces/magical girls? |
otakuhime said: i wondered why kyubey asked for help in the 1st episode when he can't even die at the first place. a trick to lure madoka into world of witces/magical girls? That's...a very good observation, I hadn't thought of that. Part of it is answered in ep 9, but yeah, it's about Madoka. |
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otakuhime said: What do you think. He both came in contact with Madoka (and Sayaka as an added bonus) and ensured Homura's intentions were doubted by both them and Mami. Plus as triple whammy this event led to Mami taking them under her wing and almost shoving them down the path of becoming a Mahou Shoujo. In other words, his unneeded cries of help led to Sayaka, Madoka and Mami labeling Homura an enemy and then eventual creation of unrealistic hopes and ideas on Sayaka and Madoka's mind. It was a great move although half of the results came by chance (or presumed chance since Kyubei likely knew both a witch and Mami were nearby).i wondered why kyubey asked for help in the 1st episode when he can't even die at the first place. a trick to lure madoka into world of witces/magical girls? |
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| I totally hate Kyubei by now, if Homura just shoot him down everytime when he comes with a new version of himself he will be dead once. But I hadn't ever expected that Sayaka would become insane as she is now. |
| Wow, powerful episode, QB, what a beeeetch. There's certainly a lot more to Homura than meets the eye, what potential is Madoka housing.... & poor sayaka ): |
| I knew from the moment when they got told that the soul gems were tainted by use of magic that this would happen. Didn't lower the impact though. Freaking mascot demon.... |
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| I did not see that one coming! (*gunfire*... :O ... wut?) I love how Homura-chan randomly has flash grenades and a handgun now. She's my favourite, love her heels and outfit too. |
| I really like Sayaka in this series :< She reminds me of Shion from Higurashi - gone mad and insane because of love :< And I was waiting for something as cool as Higurashi - finally found it ^^ |
| I flinched after seeing Kyubey getting shot. It was a big WTF-just-happened-moment. But then again, WTF is this show? Haha..ha. o_o |
| Episodes just keep best 5/5 quality. Sayaka turning into witch... I had such a theory, just like many others. Homura was so emotional, can't believe it! Kyouko is still my favorite character - her attitude is just like mine so is her understanding of Life. And if Madoka can be somewhere close to "god", than she can either turn into the Devil himself. Perhaps this is what Kyubey is planing. Or perhaps if he is some kind of "god", he want's to have devil on his opposite side. |
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| Holy shitttttttttt, big turn around. Always knew that Kyubei was an evil little bastard, but not that creepy O______O;; |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| I seriously got a little nauseous when Kyubei ate it's "old self" and made those nomming sounds. Creepy indeed. Wasn't sure how I was going to like this series but now I'm definitely intrigued. |
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| Wow this is a very intense and depressing episode. I can't believe Sayaka turned into a witch. |
| Okay, not as terrible as the last two episodes, we finally got an antagonist, and it's QB and we got a cool revelation that Homura is a time traveller. But then, why now? Seems pretty late to me. But seriously, all the characters are emo. being a mahou shoujo doesn't seem to be that bad. of course there will be some danger to it, but right now, being one doesn't seem to be a lot worse than being an actual soldier on a battlefield. it's just girls whining over petty stuff about happiness and sayaka being a fool once more. Overall, I feel that this show's atmosphere is unnecessarily dark as nothing bad has really happened apart from the death of mami. |
| Ugh, I hate Kyubey :( DIE!!! |
| "Incubatore"???? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I lol'ed at that one :D Incubator.... :D:D I find japanese for funny people, especially in anime they amuse me reaaally great! Their stupidness(trying to be cool and original) makes me laugh a lot... |
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Bookworm365 said: Enjyu said: "Incubatore"???? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I lol'ed at that one :D Incubator.... :D:D I find japanese for funny people, especially in anime they amuse me reaaally great! Their stupidness(trying to be cool and original) makes me laugh a lot... No. It is not stupid. You have to keep in mind that we are watching anime via subs, unless you understand Japanese. There were some hints hidden in the names from the start. For exapme "Madoka" means "circle" as a Japanese name witch strangely fits the ending of this anime(And give a sence to Mami's quote) No one predicted the hidden name "Incubator". You can say puns are lame, but the name "Kyubey" was a brilliant mislead as well since the "Kyubey" sound has the vibe of "9:kyu" and they showed a "nine taile" image at the beginning of ep5 to mislead the veiwers. The word Incubator is not misused too. I'm not sure Why you used the word stupid, but anime contains a lot of cultural diffeneces that we can easly miss to capture. Try not to diss things before you fully understand it. And may be you're the one that doesn't understand... And what in the world makes you think you know what I understand and what not... First of all my comment had nothing to do with the other char's names. It was about the name "Incubator" wich I found very amusing. I have my reasons for that, I also have my reasons for using "stupid"... "Try not to diss things before you fully understand it." I'm returning that to you since you're the one that misunderstood. |
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| wow, strawtail dissing >.< anyway the word stupid must be used with caution if you don't want to be misunderstanded in the first place, and if you can't explain it then avoid using it >_> (just a suggestion, you can do as you like) please, let's keep the episode's threads clean :< |
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| I alway's liked this phrase and i think it fits in here. "He who fights monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." — Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil |
| Rewatching the series at the moment, and goddamn this is a brilliant episode. Sayaka's eventual loss of innocence and slow descent into despair is portrayed just so damn well throughout the show, and it's such a touching moment when she breaks completely at the end. Mechablitz said: Okay, not as terrible as the last two episodes, we finally got an antagonist, and it's QB and we got a cool revelation that Homura is a time traveller. But then, why now? Seems pretty late to me. But seriously, all the characters are emo. being a mahou shoujo doesn't seem to be that bad. of course there will be some danger to it, but right now, being one doesn't seem to be a lot worse than being an actual soldier on a battlefield. it's just girls whining over petty stuff about happiness and sayaka being a fool once more. Overall, I feel that this show's atmosphere is unnecessarily dark as nothing bad has really happened apart from the death of mami. Personally I didn't think they were overly emo at all. You don't see 14 year old girls slaughtering each other on the battlefield, and if you did, I'm sure it wouldn't be too different a scenario from the one portrayed in the show. There's a reason that these teenage girls give off the most energy when they transform into witches. Enjyu said: "Incubatore"???? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I lol'ed at that one :D Incubator.... :D:D I find japanese for funny people, especially in anime they amuse me reaaally great! Their stupidness(trying to be cool and original) makes me laugh a lot... His job is to incubate witch eggs (or rather mahou shoujo) to become witches. I thought it was a pretty appropriate name =/ |
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| So...Homura is from the future and cares about Madoka, or is it that if Madoka becomes a magical girl and gets depressed she'll turn into the most powerful witch ever created! Presumably, Homura comes from a future where that happened and she wants to stop it! Also, Sayaka seems to have caught the Anakin Skywalker bug! Oh how the mighty have fallen! |
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| Urg, I hate Kyubey! It just won't die. And it ate itself o.O Finally, its getting interesting. |
| Well this was expected..so Kyubey really was some sort of devil and all the witches we've seen around are MS that lost their sanity (or something along the lines) I'm really curious as to what this monster or whatever Homura was talking about has to do with all of this, considering she is from the future she knows the details pretty well. I hope Sayaka doesn't kill Kyoko as she was with her the moment she turned into a witch :S |
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| I thought Homura's technique was teleportation. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| things are getting heavy! i mean this is just to good, i am watching this anime WAY to fast, going to only watch 1 a day (or at least try to) this is what it must feel like to be a heroin addict. |
| Well, I saw that one coming. Sort of reminded me of Claymore for some reason. Still, my face throughout the whole episode was like :/ then at the end it got like o_o So I guess it was a good one. This is getting interesting. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| Sayaka NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! ;_; Dang, this series knows how to be depressing. So apparently this is one gigantic plot to extend the life of the universe? Not sure I buy that... =P |
| Well things are starting to go to shit. I'm curious as to what QB meant by "you're not from this timeline" Homura = Madoka? |
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| Holy fuck, didn't see that coming. |
| it was decent you cant blame kyuby for doing what he wants |
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| Yeah baby! Everything went fine, for a moment there I was expecting the usual "I am sorry Madoka, I was very mean to you" but, this show delivered when that girl was turned into a witch, hopefully we'll see more dramatic scenes (here's for a Madoka kills Sayaka). |
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| Oh now I remember what this anime reminds me off, Claymore. |
| Oh my goshness... Lots of speculative theories were proved wrong or right in this episode!!! Also *runs around like a madman* Kyuubei has clones/replacements if he dies. That’s not fair!!! Gangler said: Certainly... Not for free at all... Zero sum mechanics are the ones working in this Universe... And everything what Homura do reinforces this idea.Okay, so my thoughts. First, we've established that miracles aren't free. I think that's important. Even if Madoka gets the power to revert Sayaka on her own, there will be a price to pay for it. I imagine that could even have something to do with Homura's remarks. "Why must you always sacrifice yourself?" Likely if Madoka got the power to perform miracles she would do so to help people excessively regardless of personal cost. Partially just to feel useful. Secondly, my first thought with Sayaka was "Sweet crap. So you're undead. Would you get over it?" As I've considered it though it seems to me that it's actually a pretty good depiction of children dealing with matters they're far too young to handle. I mean heck, the love triangle itself would have been devastating at that age characterized by such drama, but couple it with the recent witnessed violent death of a friend, as well as revelations that put her humanity into question creating an existential crisis at an age where one is already freakishly susceptible to identity issues. Well, yeah, she's breaking down. If she was older it wouldn't be such a blow emotionally, and she'd be mature enough to handle such emotions without heading down such a path of self destruction. As is, I think it's interesting watching a somewhat realistic depiction of how someone of that age would deal with such matters. A nice contrast to shows where the magical girl retains all their fun happiness and naive ideals, and even manages to somehow impose them on the world so that everyone comes out happy. Heck yeh! Poor Sayaka really couldn’t handle it... Couldn’t add the age factor into the mix to consider and realise why Sayaka was so devastated before, but now that you mentioned it you’re quite right.... if only... if only... but still we don’t know if Hitomi does actually really likes Kamijou or she’s being manipulated by some force. Yes it is an interesting train of thought... unfortunately I can comment much about the similarities with Nanoha... Haven’t watched it ^^;••• Overall, I think Sayaka is a very fun exploration of this train of thought, I'm not sure what to think about today's revelations for kyuubi. Clearly he's not a being bound to a single physical form. That's not really surprising. I think some people are making too big a deal out of the fact that he ate his own corpse. There's nutrients in there and probably the grief seeds he's eaten as well. Probably not any more significant that taking the nutrients and the seeds back. To me his still a overly logical, amoral and even mechanical being that only does what he’s designed for. Eating his own corpse was shocking so I’m not really surprised of people’s reaction. It was disgusting too... Means Kyuubei when killed decays quickly and goes back to HQ...? Yup feels like the bastard's got lots of puppets having fun around all the world...I suspect that his body hopping might tie itself into the soul gem concept. If his soul is elsewhere, and he's merely controlling a series of puppets, then that fits pretty well. As far as the creation of witches goes, I'm still trying to figure out how this effects my stance on his evil status. His actions have been appearing progressively less noble, so it could be that it just took me longer than some to decide that he was evil. Could be that they've been building up to this revelation as the moment he's revealed to be evil. There's still much we don't know about witches though. I suspect Sayaka's transformation will hold some answers in that department next week. Yes but certainly this whole revelation of him being this guy actually called Incubator weighs the balance against him being good and proves right the Kyuubei is evil theory...Monad said: Looks like that doesn’t it... but I still not so sure about that... In my eyes Kyuubei is still innocent... but he’s looking more guilty with each passing episode... is that his origin... Does Witches created him... or is there even a higher being that controls Kyuubei so Kyuubei creates Witches on it’s behalf? Yes... Wonder which magic created and/or supports him... Oh also that means when he ates the disposed Grief Seed he’s just recycling the remains for another Witches. I’m also wondering that... How can such system be effective... unless more witches means more Kyuubeis.... so more little girls contracted...So Kyubey is the incubator because he creates magical girls that will grow into witches. His plays the role of the incubator for witches. His role is pretty clear now. His an incubator magical machine for the creation of witches. That's why he can't die by just having a body killed. The question is what magic created him and supports him? Are the witches the creators of Kyubey? Did they created him so he can help them create new witches. Also if each magical girls kills more than one witch before she becomes a witch herself, won't their numbers go down?How can such a system be effective? Another question is how can a magical girl become a witch? Sayaka let herself get there because she fell into despair she killed humans and she didn't use that witch egg to clear her soul gem. If a girl doesn't let herself get to that point and feeds her soul gem regularly will she still become a witch? Does the soul gem decay simply with time no matter how much you take care of it? It’s quite clear up to this point... Witches are Fallen MS that fall into despair lose hope and don’t cleanse their Soul Gems... Poor Sayaka.Homura is Madoka's dead sister. Ok I thought maybe she could have had one that doesn't remember. Or probably her mother? It would make perfect sense for her being her mother. She could have wished to become young again as her magical girl wish. A wish that has something to do with time could also explain her ability to manipulate time and why she is relatively powerful since she has similar genes with Madoka as her mother and all. Homura is clearly a Time Traveller now... But I wouldn’t be so sure that she comes from the future... In fact I still consider plausible that she’s someone from the past. Adding an extra possibility is that Homura could be Madoka’s daughter :p Nah that’s quite impossible yet it would be fun if that’s so the caseThat black cat troubles me too. I just can't see how a cat could make a wish though. What is the connection with the cat? My this episode was so full of despair and sadness and revelations...it was obvious that Sayaka would die as we know her somewhere near in the future but I honestly didn’t expect her to ‘die ‘ in this episode... Sayaka is definitely a goner now... Character count is 2 so far! Was fun to see how Sayaka had her ups and downs in this episode... First of all with Madoka at the Bus Stop then when she was spying on Hitomi and Kamijo, and not to forget when Homura almost killed her, then at the train discussing with those guys, then presumably killing them, then there sprawled all over a bench in a subway station and then the short convo she had with Kyoko and finally turning into a damned Witch... Which reminds me...Despair due to a one sided love... man that gotta hurt... poor Sayaka... Well at least looks like that’s her Witch’s form theme... Love, Love triangle and music... Fuuu.... poor Sayaka... Feels like Madoka is one step closer to be a Puella Magi Homura revealed some stuff too... like she has emotions... Just look at the poor thing pleading Madoka to not be deceived by Kyuubei... Breaking down just in front of her, unfortunately Madoka ignored her. Also the reason why she couldn’t get Mami’s ties undone before she was long dead was reinforced in this episode, Kyoko claiming that if someone holds down Homura she can’t use her short Teleportation tech... Still was fun to see how she was able to drop of a Flash Grenade and get off the grip. But man vertainly the most surprising revelation was Kyuubei’s real name and maybe real goal... Produce more and more Witches through either letting familiars grow or Puella Magis falling... Surprised me a lot Homura killing him and then Kyuubei claiming that it’s the Second time she has already killed him... Scary if you wanna ask me... hohohoho quite interesting show i may say.... Signs, Green |
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