| http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23/skorea-nkorea-fires-artillery-island/ North Korea firing shells at South Korea. Worldwide shitstorm pending. |
llxwarbirdxll said: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23/skorea-nkorea-fires-artillery-island/ North Korea firing shells at South Korea. Worldwide shitstorm pending. Holy shit! It's WW3! You beat me to that one, was going to post it. I got a different source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 |
| Oh yes how cool I just printed out that article for my Global Studies class tomorrow. How interesting that it should pop up here. teehee I would like to keep my eye on this and see how it plays out. But killing can't be good. Ah~ the pebble dropped into the lake is creating ripples. |
Jirkaflt said: Something to do with a drill of South Korea and having sent a letter to protest it. I wonder what was the reason of Norths attack. Safierwolf said: Oh joy, I wonder how it will affect my humanities and political classes now?Oh yes how cool I just printed out that article for my Global Studies class tomorrow. |
| The Koreans really need to get this crap over with already... |
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Jirkaflt said: I wonder what was the reason of Norths attack. They are North Korea, this is what they do. No reason needed. |
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Whoomp said: Jirkaflt said: I wonder what was the reason of Norths attack. They are North Korea, this is what they do. No reason needed. The reason may probably be this: |
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KyuuAL said: WTH? If anything as I said like the news said, it has to do with a letter of protest to stop South Korean drills that was ignored apparently.Whoomp said: Jirkaflt said: I wonder what was the reason of Norths attack. They are North Korea, this is what they do. No reason needed. The reason may probably be this: |
| North Korea is just jealous of all the idol groups South Korea produced. |
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| http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/9218848.stm And of course, the blame game begins. Hopefully everything comes under control. |
MasnoonNov 23, 2010 3:44 AM
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Jirkaflt said: Thanks for link, Masnoon! "South Korea says it was conducting a military drill in the area before North Korea fired, Reuters reports." So... some North military officer wanted to be active in his boring day and strikes "back". That's what I see :) No problem! Haha, well, kids need to play around with their shiny toys now and then, you know - 1135: Daniel Butler tweets: "North Korea is like a spoilt child. You can issue empty threats of retaliation all you want but it won't learn." |
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Jirkaflt said: North Korea's hereditary dictators are just plain nuts, but having 25 million people thinking you're god will do that to you. Word of South Korea's "defiance" against the The Great God-King Kim Jong-il probably somehow got through the government's control over the the media. Of course Kim Jong had to retaliate because otherwise he wouldn't be all-powerful and then the North Koreans might question why they have no rights.I wonder what was the reason of Norths attack. Basically, it's all about keeping the dictator's image and ego up and the population's down. |
Mootae said: I just hope China and the USA don't meddle too much in this, I'm scared that if those 2 face off again in Korea it'll be a full out war in which the whole world will suffer. USA is a little preoccupied right now and doing what you are mentioning would be spreading it thin, but it still doesn't mean it can't happen. |
| Just blow up north Korea already. |
prismheart said: It does not matter whether it happens or not but it matters what can happen and the worst is nuclear. The best if diplomatic ways solve it. At the worst of all WW3 and nuclear problems.Mootae said: I just hope China and the USA don't meddle too much in this, I'm scared that if those 2 face off again in Korea it'll be a full out war in which the whole world will suffer. USA is a little preoccupied right now and doing what you are mentioning would be spreading it thin, but it still doesn't mean it can't happen. |
| Oh, wow. Just heard the news. A very interesting turn of events, but I don't think it'll lead to anything serious (I hope). |
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Onibokusu said: I'm surprised people even care. Nothing wrong with that. |
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| North Korea isn't strong enough for a war right now really..They obviously aren't even stable, or a slightly civil 'country' anymore. China would not even help them in a war. lol I can't believe they are trying to claim South Korea attacked them first..umm hello..there are tons of US soldiers all over South Korea, even at the border - I'm sure someone would have noticed them "attacking" North Korea and would have their face all over the news by now...-___- |
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Yumekichi11 said: prismheart said: It does not matter whether it happens or not but it matters what can happen and the worst is nuclear. The best if diplomatic ways solve it. At the worst of all WW3 and nuclear problems.Mootae said: I just hope China and the USA don't meddle too much in this, I'm scared that if those 2 face off again in Korea it'll be a full out war in which the whole world will suffer. USA is a little preoccupied right now and doing what you are mentioning would be spreading it thin, but it still doesn't mean it can't happen. Worst is nuclear war. Then the world will officially end because of all the gamma radiation. Even vip's won't escape that in underground facilities. |
| They should just settle it in a game of Mahjong, The Legend of Koizumi style. |
prismheart said: Thing is here in North America we will be fine until the winds brings in the radiation. In the end we will all die out of perhaps nuclear winter where there will be no sun. Worst is nuclear war. Then the world will officially end because of all the gamma radiation. Even vip's won't escape that in underground facilities. Jjoy said: I would not say that considering USA intelligence failed to know what exactly do they have in their arsenal since dealing in shady arms business.North Korea isn't strong enough for a war right now really |
| Shenangians is probably a good word to describe this. I can see why DPRK would want to show it's military "prowess" to its citizens in the wake of the commencement of a handover of power - but if they continue along this path - sinking a navy ship, bombing civilian populated areas, etc - South Korea will respond with force and if all out war commences not even China will be able to help them, North Korea would be over-run in days. |
Yumekichi11 said: prismheart said: Thing is here in North America we will be fine until the winds brings in the radiation. In the end we will all die out of perhaps nuclear winter where there will be no sun. Worst is nuclear war. Then the world will officially end because of all the gamma radiation. Even vip's won't escape that in underground facilities. Jjoy said: I would not say that considering USA intelligence failed to know what exactly do they have in their arsenal since dealing in shady arms business.North Korea isn't strong enough for a war right now really It doesn't really matter what they have honestly..N.Korea attempting to start a war now would result in North Korea against multiple armies, which would include China most likely. They wouldn't even be able to act fast enough if they ever became a real threat to any other country besides S. Korea. Although this "attack" may seem random and reckless to your average news-viewer who doesn't live in S.Korea or really keep up with their BS with N.Korea it wasn't really that random >.< N.Korea isn't that stupid. |
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Jjoy said: Well, what do we know, the US might be in on it.I can't believe they are trying to claim South Korea attacked them first..umm hello..there are tons of US soldiers all over South Korea, even at the border - I'm sure someone would have noticed them "attacking" North Korea and would have their face all over the news by now...-___- Either way, there's likely two possible outcomes; The situation blows over and North Korea go back to it's delusional circle-jerking, or it continues to escalate and the South together with pretty much everyone steamroll the North. Obviously, there's no way China would get involved in a military conflict over this. North Korea is most assuredly on it's own. |
Wasabi said: North Korea is just jealous of all the idol groups South Korea produced. this could be true ;D |
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Mootae said: Jjoy said: North Korea isn't strong enough for a war right now really..They obviously aren't even stable, or a slightly civil 'country' anymore. China would not even help them in a war. lol FIrst of all, they are quite stable. Indoctrinated and under a dictatorship, but there has been no news from North Korea about any civil unrest. Next to that, they have the 4th biggest army in the world. After China, USA and India. Also China will meddle in any course of action from foreign countries due to Korea being a brotherly communistic nation to China, they have no need for democracy in a neighbouring country, it's too close to home and it will give a wrong impression on their own population. It's just crazy that 1 small country like that has such power over world balance. Ummm North Korea's army being large clearly does nothing for them considering they are basically China's bitch. North Korea has a much larger army than Turkey, that really doesn't make them stronger in any aspect really..other than size. In a war I'd much prefer to be up against a larger group of idiots, being ruled by half dead idiot. Also N.Korea being stable and no longer civil is just a matter of opinion. I lived in S.Korea long enough to form a decent opinion of a country that makes constant threats to my country. >_> |
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Mootae said: No news of civil unrest does not mean it's stable. Really, since when did we get such news from N. Korea in the first place? The fact that protesters and civil unrest is met with harsh action would naturally only serve to invoke hidden resentment and fear in the populace, but there's a breaking point for stuff like that in the end. On the contrary, military action might even be an attempt to draw the people's attention away from civil unrest and incite patriotism against their enemies.FIrst of all, they are quite stable. Indoctrinated and under a dictatorship, but there has been no news from North Korea about any civil unrest. Next to that, they have the 4th biggest army in the world. After China, USA and India. Also China will meddle in any course of action from foreign countries due to Korea being a brotherly communistic nation to China, they have no need for democracy in a neighbouring country, it's too close to home and it will give a wrong impression on their own population. Besides, the army size doesn't matter much, if worst comes to worst, the Us will be sure to intervene, and I'm sure they'll steamroll the North without too much trouble. And again, why would China risk their steadily advancing position in the world community to help N. Korea? At the very best they might supply them with weapons in true Cold War style, but there's hardly any reason for them to go into direct action when it will invariably send them against the US. No one would gain anything from that. |
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Mootae said: But stability because of a brutal regime isn't very stable in the end. If the regime starts to wobble, which it most definitely will when they get trashed by everyone, the people will take the opportunity to join in the chaos rather than defiantly fight till the last man. And even if the populace is thoroughly indoctrinated, they'll surely see reason when they are finally exposed to the real world and realize the lies of the regime.For this reason exactly it's stable. People are indoctrinated with patriotism against a common enemy (USA/South Korea/whatever country they hate), meaning there is no will in the country to overthrow the current leadership. We might not agree with the human rights or the way it's done, but was there ever any news about rebellion in North Korea since 1950-60~? I just disagree with this one, but hey that's my opinion. :-) Numerical superiority only goes so far in the end. And if the US gets in on the action, that superiority will be evened out.Besides, we're most likely talking a army with a lot of people being more or less forcefully drafted, and unless the indoctrination is truly top notch (Which I'd say is rather unlikely), the morale won't be that high at all. If worst comes to worst, the US will most assuredly attempt surgical strikes to destroy the chain of command, at which point low morale will see to the soldiers surrendering one by one. And if the situation ends with chaos and civil unrest, morale is sure to drop even further if the troops are forced to fight civilian rebels. And then there's the consideration of equipment, North Korea is already depending a lot on humanitarian aid, so it is unlikely that they'll have state of the art weaponry for their entire army, unless China supplies them. Imagine this. What would the USA do if China would invade Mexico? In this matter I don't think China would sit still and let the USA do their business in, what's to them, an allied nation. That's a completely different situation though. Mexico isn't a "rogue state" that has done it's utmost to piss off the international community in recent years, so if anyone attacked it, the attacker would likely be seen as the aggressor to the world, and any intervention would be justified.North Korea doesn't have this benefit though, and China knows this. China might still by stubborn and even childish in relation to human rights (Like how they started whining at Norway because that Chinese rebel dude got the Nobel prize), but they're still a growing international force that would have a lot to lose by being labeled as a "bad guy". Any direct conflict between it and the US would also be catastrophic for both parts, and no one has anything to gain from it. besides, the old tradition of defense of allied satellite states has slowly decreased since the World Wars and the Cold War, so there's no way we'll get a repeat of WWI's ridiculous chain of alliances and war declarations. There's just too much at risk and too little to gain. If worst comes to worst, China will probably be more likely to join the international community and send their own forces in to suppress North Korea and thereby securing it as a satellite state rather than supporting it in a full scale war against everyone. Now, of course, I'm not a master strategist, and I don't have all info on the situation, but this is what seems most logical to me. |
BamanNov 23, 2010 8:34 AM
| Well what do expect when NK is ruled by a dumbass, please Kim Jung Il pass your rule to your son as you promised. |
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| Not good not good. It makes me curious as to why they are attacking them in the first place. Darn communists. :( |
| this isnt anything new, the north koreans allways b doin this dum shit, and thers defintly gonna b no WW3 or nuclear madness like many think . first north korea dont have nukes they are only working on certain things, and if they did theyd blow up on the lounching pad cuz there shitmade. it would take exactly 2 days to turn north korea into a mcdonalds with a parking lot if any nation acctualy wanted to take action aginst them. |
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Yumekichi11 said: prismheart said: Thing is here in North America we will be fine until the winds brings in the radiation. In the end we will all die out of perhaps nuclear winter where there will be no sun. Worst is nuclear war. Then the world will officially end because of all the gamma radiation. Even vip's won't escape that in underground facilities. We wouldn't last until the wind brings it here because once one nuke hits in one place, nukes will hit everywhere. It's mutually assured destruction. Also, we don't really know what goes in North Korea. They could just be lying about everything within their country and they can keep their own people from knowing what goes in the real world. |
Mootae said: I just hope China and the USA don't meddle too much in this, I'm scared that if those 2 face off again in Korea it'll be a full out war in which the whole world will suffer. agreed, but its probably already to late for that... lets just hope that both countries decide that this isn't in their best interests and quit while their ahead ( ya right...) |
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Mootae said: I just hope China and the USA don't meddle too much in this, I'm scared that if those 2 face off again in Korea it'll be a full out war in which the whole world will suffer. I hope the U.S stays very far away from this nonsense... I'm tired of seeing the U.S as the world police.....FUCK THE WORLD!!! Let Korea figure this out, Let the Middle East figure their shit out, and let's bring the troops home, no more war means no more wasteful spending. Maybe we can get our economy back in shape, and stop worrying what every country is doing. |
alexcampos said: Let Korea figure this out, Let the Middle East figure their shit out, and let's bring the troops home, no more war means no more wasteful spending. The Middle East will just destroy themselves if they were left to their devices. Also, no more war does not mean an end to wasteful spending, do you understand most wasteful spending goes to unnecessary weapons tests in peacetime and to politicians, lobbyists, corporate CEOs, and special interests pockets and assets. |
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alexcampos said: I'm thankful that other people posted links to RELIABLE and TRUST WORTHY news sites, the last place I would ever go for my news is FAUX NEWS... *eye roll* Hm, I'm interested to see how this plays out. |
Yukiteru said: alexcampos said: I'm thankful that other people posted links to RELIABLE and TRUST WORTHY news sites, the last place I would ever go for my news is FAUX NEWS... *eye roll* Oh noes, we have a FIXED NEWS sympathizer.... anyways on to more important stuff Hoppy said: The Middle East will just destroy themselves if they were left to their devices. Then why doesn't EUROPE help out, how come the U.S which is MUCH further away have to do all the dirty work while Europe (which is right there) does little or nothing, honestly at this point if they want to kill each other and destroy their countries....LET THEM, we should have NEVER been involved in the first place. Hoppy said: Also, no more war does not mean an end to wasteful spending, do you understand most wasteful spending goes to unnecessary weapons tests in peacetime and to politicians, lobbyists, corporate CEOs, and special interests pockets and assets. OK, but I still don't think it would match the billions of unnecessary dollars not to mention the THOUSANDS of American Lives that is being lost there. |
Jjoy said: Although this "attack" may seem random and reckless to your average news-viewer who doesn't live in S.Korea or really keep up with their BS with N.Korea it wasn't really that random >.< N.Korea isn't that stupid. This made me lol. Yukiteru said: alexcampos said: I'm thankful that other people posted links to RELIABLE and TRUST WORTHY news sites, the last place I would ever go for my news is FAUX NEWS... *eye roll* Hm, I'm interested to see how this plays out. Well he is right. |
alexcampos said: Then why doesn't EUROPE help out, how come the U.S which is MUCH further away have to do all the dirty work while Europe (which is right there) does little or nothing, honestly at this point if they want to kill each other and destroy their countries....LET THEM, we should have NEVER been involved in the first place. I can give you a reason why my nation, Sweden, do not do any of this dirty work; It's because we're (supposedly) neutral. Also our military is like teeny-tiny compared to let's say the US of A (I know that doesn't really say much, but Sweden is not a military force to be reckoned with). Also: "Then why doesn't EUROPE help out, how come the U.S which is MUCH further away have to do all the dirty work while Europe (which is right there) [...]" I really don't know what you're talking about here. "Right there" is rather vague, and I'm quite sure you don't mean that Europe is positioned in Asia. |
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Colonel_Mustard said: I really don't know what you're talking about here. "Right there" is rather vague, and I'm quite sure you don't mean that Europe is positioned in Asia. Ok, I'll clear it up: U.S to Afghanistan -------(about 7,000 miles) (and the whole fucking ATLANTIC Ocean in between) Germany to Afghanistan -------(about 3,000 miles) Sweden to Afghanistan --------(about 2,900 miles) Europe is closer that's what I obviously meant.... |
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alexcampos said: Colonel_Mustard said: I really don't know what you're talking about here. "Right there" is rather vague, and I'm quite sure you don't mean that Europe is positioned in Asia. Ok, I'll clear it up: U.S to Afghanistan -------(about 7,000 miles) (and the whole fucking ATLANTIC Ocean in between) Germany to Afghanistan -------(about 3,000 miles) Sweden to Afghanistan --------(about 2,900 miles) Europe is closer that's what I obviously meant.... Germany has 4,341 troops stationed in Afghanistan. Sweden has about 500 troops stationed in Afghanistan. Just because the U.S. sent 90,000 troops to Afghanistan doesn't mean that they're alone there. Next you'll tell me the U.S. single-handily won WWII. |
alexcampos said: Colonel_Mustard said: I really don't know what you're talking about here. "Right there" is rather vague, and I'm quite sure you don't mean that Europe is positioned in Asia. Ok, I'll clear it up: U.S to Afghanistan -------(about 7,000 miles) (and the whole fucking ATLANTIC Ocean in between) Germany to Afghanistan -------(about 3,000 miles) Sweden to Afghanistan --------(about 2,900 miles) Europe is closer that's what I obviously meant.... ... But Sweden does have troops stationed in Afghanistan. As do many other European countries. alexcampos said: Hoppy said: The Middle East will just destroy themselves if they were left to their devices. Then why doesn't EUROPE help out, how come the U.S which is MUCH further away have to do all the dirty work while Europe (which is right there) does little or nothing, honestly at this point if they want to kill each other and destroy their countries....LET THEM, we should have NEVER been involved in the first place. Because the United States is acting out of self-interest, does not have the slightest desire to see the Middle East straightened out in any way except one they dictate, and because the very largest amount of the problems there are in parto r whole caused or perpetuated by the United States? Moreover, only they have a military, economy and political clout necessary to involve themselves as deeply and often as they do in everything? That's aside from that other countries do, too, act in self interest and mess the Middle East up even more, they're just not as good at it. But for one simple example which has had and will have tremendous impact: the 1953 coup in Iran, which the British had very much to do with as well. prismheart said: Worst is nuclear war. Then the world will officially end because of all the gamma radiation. Even vip's won't escape that in underground facilities. North Korea has, at the very most unlikely worst, ten nukes. That is not even remotely enough to cause nuclear winter, end the world with radiation, or anything. Since 1945 the United States alone blew up 1 123 nuclear bombs ("only" 206 above ground). The USSR managed to do about equally much. A mere ten cannot possibly measure up to any significant difference from what those thousands managed; even if we imagine the US retaliates with twice the strength. These nuclear tests were all very destructive. It'll be horrendous and awful, but a Korean nuclear war does not have the remote capacity to blow up the world. |
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