Chichi wa Eiyuu, Haha wa Seirei, Musume no Watashi wa Tenseisha. Episode 11 Discussion

This whole "Sins of Your Father" thing is becoming stale, if you ask me. Cursing people who had nothing to do with it except by blood descent is amazingly dull thinking. Ellen, at least, should rise above it.

This whole "Sins of Your Father" thing is becoming stale, if you ask me. Cursing people who had nothing to do with it except by blood descent is amazingly dull thinking. Ellen, at least, should rise above it.

This is spoiler from the manga about the curse.

@Sheol01 I think ppl misunderstood something...

The one cursing the royal family was not the current spirit, but the dead spirit from back then. You can say that the dead spirit of the past still lingers in the royal family lineage. In fact, there's nothing the current spirit (that incl. Ori as well) can do abt it even if they want to.

The thing with Ellen being hostile with the denka... she's not being hostile to him actually, which is why she tried to patiently explain the current situation to him. The main issue is with the king, it doesn't matter if the two decided to be friends or even lovers at this point, as long as the two are keeping contact with each other, the king can always find a way to use their relationship as a weak point/leverage/political hook for his own plot. And that's why even if the prince is innocent, they are forced to keep a distance from him. Ellen didn't blame him, she tried to make him understand that him trying to keep contact with the Vankreift can actually endanger the Vankreift instead.

Abt Ellen and Rafilia, ppl might not remember this, but Rafilia was accepted into the family just right before Ellen and the king's meeting for the 1st time, where the curse took affect and her passing out as the result. Ever since then, she's been recuperating in the spirit world, cut off from the human realm. Ellen just returned to the human realm very recently, and immediately got caught up in the epidemic issue, barely have any time to do anything else. So yeah, Ellen and Rafilia has never got a chance to met each other until then.

Furthermore, abt the king, dude doesn't rly have any other choice either except for keep doubling down on the plot. The royal family is soooo desperate to remove the curse, they are willing to do anything. Since the curse means they're pretty much cut-off from anything spirit related. In a country heavily relying on spirits, this would mean the current royal family barely has any authority. A ruler of a nation, not having authority, that is a source of lots of problems. It's pretty much the same situation as in the past, as Ellen mentioned. The past king just desperate to keep their ppl safe, which at the end of the day actually worked BTW, just with severe consequences. And so does the current king.

The entire situation is just a very unfortunate mess of situation. It's pretty much like a chain of game theory style unfortunate bad blood happening between the two, that just keep pilling up a top each other, that neither of the two can actually do anything abt. That is until someone (usualy a neutral 3rd party) can break the chain for them... or at least until either of the two, or worse both, are checked mate.

I dislike almost everyone in this anime and a good chunk of the problems would be resolved if people just treated each other better and talked to each other.

Sure you almost certainly can't do that with the King (the core issue) but the "heroes" even treat their family like shit.

We'll get Ellen being all "boo-hoo, I think generational hate is a bad thing" in the background episodes but then when she is faced with a character she knows is trying to reach out and cares even if he messes up or doesn't know how, she treats him coldly with all the care of an angry lecture.

Prince is all waif the second he talks to Ellen and won't just express that he cares and wants to be on their side.

It took until a kidnapping for Sauvel to give Rafilia any sort of care or attention then he has the gall to say it was a good thing in the same day they rescued her.

Rovel will sit and watch this happening with his brother fully aware that it's an issue but barely corrects him.

I'm still mad that Aria got all that lecturing about given Sauvel all her love which she said she'd dedicate herself to, then 3 years later we see that she's an alcoholic because her husband basically ignores her and everyone still treats her (and her daughter) like an outsider. Even if they aren't her husband doesn't help her overcome it but just leaves her to day drink while he goes off lives vicariously through Rovel basically acting as if Ellen is his perfect little daughter.

Rafilia and the Prince are the two treated the worst and they are the only two that are actually children.

Now, I could forgive a hell of a lot of this if it was written with more nuance and presented as us following flawed characters trying to be good but making mistakes. However, it's presented so one sided like some characters are holy and perfect.



In another anime, I might agree with you but this one has done too much work putting Ellen as the symbol representing her problems. From her father's abandonment, to the constant comparisons, to her getting kidnapped as a pawn to get at Ellen, she has not experienced anything that suggests Ellen is a positive element for her life. Ellen might as well be the villainess to her and in some series this could've been the case with the same events.

This anime is the most non-isekai isekai ever. You could just remove that tag and nothing would change