| I always thought it was strange the bigger studios tend to avoid marketing on sex and cute appeal like live service games? Why do you think that is? Is it a conspiracy, or restriction on bigger companies? Do waifus really not sell outside live services? What do you think? I think it is sad Neptunia games gave less fanservice now. Series like Blazblue and Senran Kagura seem dead with no new releases. |
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| I think it's obvious. Their whole business model is gambling to get characters and making them attractive makes them more desirable. |
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| I was always under the assumption that waifus were getting more and more popular in the world of gaming. I mean heck, Dead or Alive is now turning into a full-fledged dating visual novel with its next upcoming game. |
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@Theo1899
Why not put them in normal non live service games then?
Why not put them in normal non live service games then?
| @rohan121 Those game companies try to maintain a more-public friendly image so they've cut down on waifus and hyper-sexualization. I think it's more about where they have guaranteed sales as opposed to live vs non-live service. They're trying to appeal to the current social climate and maybe waifus are seen as problematic or something they dont want to be associated with (gooner culture idk?). This is unbelievably retarded, of course. A game like Street Fighter 6 would have sold even more copies if it had just brought in some more waifus in season 1 as opposed to boring characters they shoehorned into the game (Dee Jay, Honda, Rashid etc). Not that I don't like Honda but Sakura or Poison over Honda is a no-brainer and would have sold way more copies of the game in S1 instead of waiting for season 3 or 4 DLC.. the waifus simply more fun to play anyways. And those later seasons btw will only add four new ppl per year. And there's plenty of more waifus anyways who never get added... it's such a dumb move lol. At least Elenas coming back. I think they are under the assumption that their games will sell no matter without waifu-power or even more sex appeal. They've gotten too comfortable with guaranteed sales and limit their own sales out of some weird statement or belief. Nintendo knows better, the social climate doesn't change their roster at all imo: the karts have all the "Mario girls" (wouldnt really call them waifus lol) and favorites right on the initial roster. Same with Smash including everyone. Other companies not learning from this is baffling. MK1 recently announced a definitive edition so there will be no more seasons or DLC, despite the game selling well and devs claimed they would support the game for YEARS MORE to come. But, it didn't sell enough for WB. I wonder if it would have sold more copies if they just added some sexy costumes like we had in MK9 and Mk10... the games that brought the franchise out of the muck and are the most beloved new gen MKs atm! Or added some more characters and a waifu or two... it had no new ppl except DLC movie characters. And the returning girls in MK11 and MK1 were very bleh.. even uglied up Sonya for some reason. And no new waifus for sure! At least we got a cool updated Nitara playable high level waifu even tho the voice was terrible lol |
| They don't. You just have a narrow view of what a "waifu" is. Not your fault. Not everyone has the gift of seeing past the cuter anime girls to the treasures beyond. |
FanofActionMay 14, 2:49 PM
| Because it is what sells, it just so happens that the diverse non-binary characters of games like Concord didnt sell, but the sexy skin of Sue sold a lot. But worry not, corpos are tired of losing money and are taking notes, they are in for more waifus. Still unsure if this is a good or bad thing, we will see. |
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| Live Service just wants to milk you for your money. Use Tits? Sure. It helps. It's like sitting at a Black Jack Table, where the hot waitress asks if you want another drink, to keep you playing. *Normal* or Single-Player Video Games will sell you Gameplay, a Story or an Idea, rather than an activity that requires you to keep gambling your money away. So they put effort into the Game and not the constant Sales pitch (Most of them anyways) |
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| People are so spoiled these days. Video game culture has always been full of bro pandering fanservice. Tifa Lockhart, Lara Croft, Cammy, Ivy Valentine, even Metroid had Samus in a bikini as a speedrun reward of sorts. I'm pretty sure guys that whine about the lack of fanservice are just desensitized by the sheer deluge of jack-off imagery games had to offer. If blatant comic book boobage like in Xenoblade doesn't do it for you anymore, maybe that's just a you problem. |
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People are so spoiled these days. Video game culture has always been full of bro pandering fanservice. Tifa Lockhart, Lara Croft, Cammy, Ivy Valentine, even Metroid had Samus in a bikini as a speedrun reward of sorts. I'm pretty sure guys that whine about the lack of fanservice are just desensitized by the sheer deluge of jack-off imagery games had to offer. If blatant comic book boobage like in Xenoblade doesn't do it for you anymore, maybe that's just a you problem.
| @MelodyOfMemory XC2 was in 2017. A lot of fanservice is gone in recent games. XC3 nerfed those elements a lot. |
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| Very easily If you're characters aren't fuckable to large audience it won't sell, what do you think needs constant money a game which you pay once and play it, or the game which has updates every 2-4 weeks with new characters on a FTP game so they need to attract someone to pay? It should be a rethoric question, everyone knows the answer. |
| I think they are holding Blazblue to not canibalize the guilty gear franchise. GG "just" had a promo anime and strive launch for switch. Nitroplus is busy with Dolls Nest too. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1839430/Dolls_Nest/ It looks full of waifus. I don't remember who made Senran Kagura. But I would check if they didn't launch another franchise before claiming lack of fanservice. |
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@MelodyOfMemory Hey, remember when guys only made up the audience for video games and only played them to jerk off to video game girls back in the 1990s before we were all "enlightened" and video games had story to them after the USA "rescued" the video game industry? Yeah neither did I.
If the world worked as you think it did, you'd honestly be the heroine of this story. Unfortunately, people have more depth than you give them credit for. Grow up.
If the world worked as you think it did, you'd honestly be the heroine of this story. Unfortunately, people have more depth than you give them credit for. Grow up.
HokutoMumyoZan said: Hey, remember when guys only made up the audience for video games and only played them to jerk off to video game girls back in the 1990s before we were all "enlightened" and video games had story to them after the USA "rescued" the video game industry? Yeah neither did I. Your post makes no sense, though the most impressive part is that you somehow mistake me as someone who would regard the USA as a saviour even though I regard US culture as imperialistic and a bad influence on most of the world. Like, I'm of Asian descent myself. Why do you think I would be someone who subscribes to such a simplistic binary as "Japan bad, USA good?" Also, if guys want to jerk off to video game women, fine by me. Heck, a lot of these women have a good deal of female fans too, Bayonetta being a particularly famous example. I'm just perplexed as to why some guys complain so much about video game fanservice when they can just go to a strip club or search for smut online or use one of the many other avenues that exist to get their jollies. Even games don't just magically disappear because they're from 2017, and there's still a lot of sexy fanart out there, many drawn by women even. |
MelodyOfMemoryMay 14, 11:56 PM
| We may can argue inflation and how far it effects or not on budgets, projects, deadlines. Why I mentioned inflation? It's quite bizarre to me and unclear why some games recently cost over 100 million USD, and the results, the revenues are negative. This which leads to the nature of the contents in such a game, and in there unfortunately, politics has found a land to sit on in the realm of "entertainment". Also, the model of business in games industries unnecessarily switched to a direction that leads to nothing but huge loss. Games industries sit their eyes on the stock markets. Shareholders associated to games industries sort of became the spine, the backbone of games business, or hugely related to to a degree. The games industries as we know it now as I can describe it is a mishmash of shareholders and unneeded politics that invaded entertainment. ESG and DEI. Anita Sarkeesian and her ilk, you can thank them. Also, "artistic creativity" has been thrown in the trash. Freedom of expression of creators being suppressed by the current politics. Video games are arts of their own and they've been sadly murdered by politics. |
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Marketing the female body.
idk, but Marvel Rival chicks GOT DAMN! Especially Cloak and Magik! PAWG!
idk, but Marvel Rival chicks GOT DAMN! Especially Cloak and Magik! PAWG!
| @AmityBlight Marvel Rivals is a Chinese game, if you want to know why that's an exception. |
| I don't know. Atlus makes more money than ever with waifus, but they are the exception rather than the rule. |
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@AmityBlight Marvel Rivals is a Chinese game, if you want to know why that's an exception.
| @JaniSIr many things if not all are being supervised by some authority. I can’t be sure if the government does. Specially when we talk about entertainment industries. The “wokeism” how ever you define it leaves no trace/sign in products such by Chinese. I think the Chinese and the Koreans games DEVs, if they keep going the same pattern(s), you might kiss companies like Capcom, Konami, Square, Namco goodbye. The Western DEVs? Well… they are struggling ever since Battlefield V or prior to that. I dunno. |
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| @ArabianLuffy Good riddance if it be the case. Those company haven't made games I care about in year, Capcom sucks Arc system better, Konami only hits are msg and silent Hill, namco and square LMFAO. @HokutoMumyoZan Not backing Saudi Arabian, SNK it is own by Saudi Arabians now it's the best it's ever been! |
Reply to HokutoMumyoZan
This is why I hate the division of video game fans and anime fans post 2000s. Though I also hate Japan's current anti-"sexy" costume video game design law too.
Play a Capcom or Tecmo game rohan. Open your mind!
Play a Capcom or Tecmo game rohan. Open your mind!
| @HokutoMumyoZan Unfortunately Americans do this as well with their games.. by their own choice! There was this character in WoW Some director at Blizzard was watching footage of the game with his five year old daughter and his kid asks why she is in her swimming clothes. He was embarrassed and ashamed replying with "I... don't know..." then went on to nerf much of the "sexy design" in the game. AKA bikini armor So this all happened because one dad was showing his kid a game for teens and up and couldn't just explain it's how she chooses to dress lol. All over some five year old who wouldn't play anyways and won't care when they get older, and might even think it's cool then. I remember my gf at the time told me she prefers these kinda sexy outfits on characters in moderation and the dad was being a pussy ruining the character designs she grew up with. So even the women he's out to "defend" don't even respect this! And keep in mind later on Blizzard had all these scandals post-Overwatch with some guy named McCree raping interns or something idk (leading to the character name change lmao). |
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@ArabianLuffy Good riddance if it be the case. Those company haven't made games I care about in year, Capcom sucks Arc system better, Konami only hits are msg and silent Hill, namco and square LMFAO.
@HokutoMumyoZan Not backing Saudi Arabian, SNK it is own by Saudi Arabians now it's the best it's ever been!
@HokutoMumyoZan Not backing Saudi Arabian, SNK it is own by Saudi Arabians now it's the best it's ever been!
MissHeed said: @HokutoMumyoZan Not backing Saudi Arabian, SNK it is own by Saudi Arabians now it's the best it's ever been! Yeeeeeeeeah the best its ever been... lmao Modern SNK's KoF slop, terrible matchmaking with repetitive gameplay and mechanics in the last two games (most players can't even tell them apart) and boring COTW with weak sales and adding real people few players like VS Golden age SNK.. KoF XI, KoF XIII, etc SNK has money now which is good but don't say it's the best its ever been with the shit they are putting out compared to the pre-SA days. At least we can expect reliable online with some older golden age games hopefully, I heard they at least fixed up KoF 13 after fucking up its rerelease  |
| @Shishio-kun Please stop smoking crack and just say you hate modern fighting end the discussion. COTW is boring okay sure bud LMFAO. "I want defensive" *puts defensive mechanics in the game* *refuses to buy* Love how people jock kof13 despite the fact it was being called easy when it was new xD omfg. |
MissHeedMay 16, 1:48 PM
| King of Fighters series much like any other series struggles to evolve. I personally stopped playing KoF after 98. Nothing new to me. Even beyond 99, 2000, 2001, etc. I like 97 above all. Certain series I will stick to them as long as it takes, because they're to me better than the rest. - Pro Evolution Soccer 3 - Street Fighter Alpha 3 - King of Fighter 97 - WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain! - WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw (PS2, 2004) |
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rohan121 said: Why not put them in normal non live service games then? Because live service games profit from getting you to keep playing for as long as possible (and throw money at it compulsively after getting desperate with pulls). Most video games profit from you just buying it. Skyrim doesn't profit from you playing it for 1000 hours as opposed to 20 hours. |
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| @AmityBlight Well I was top 200 in Strive at Evo a couple years ago and I was in semi finals at Evo 2007 for another game that year. There were like 3000 more ppl in the Strive tournament than 2007's. So maybe I can adapt despite being "old" lol? Being able to get far in either competition is a sign of adaption. Though you're so dishonest I already know you're gonna expect me to make semis in both to consider it "adapting", which is idiotic when it's two different games and the amount of practice ahead of time makes a big difference. In both comps I still had to overcome a gauntlet of strong players. Never said I hate modern fighting but if a newer one is imo booty cheeks, I'll say. Some games are simply more boring than others or unappealing. COTW is both lol. You can't understand someone having a varying opinion? I always liked the 2010s 2D KoFs and Marvel 3- with MVC3 almost everyone liked it when it came out, you definitely weren't there man :D only a couple MVC2 guys didnt like cuz of Xfactor haha AmityBlight said: even a little amount training can be on the same level outside of the top players Embarrassingly wrong!!! D: @MissHeed I never said "more defensive mechanics please!", but they are welcome. I prefer more player expression. Never said I hated modern fighters, I love SF6, Strive, and a bit of Tekken 8 despite flaws in all these Like the other guy, go ahead and lie making assumptions to be "right" lol. imo COTW is pretty boring compared to something like SF6 or Strive and especially to something like KoF XI. Just a preference... but on Youtube new Strive replays still get 22 times the views, and Strives OLD. And despite more channels streaming COTW its average views are less than half Strives average views on Twitch... you'd think a new game with insane levels of promotion on more channels could pull more average viewers over an old game on less channels but it isn't. COTW was promoted like crazy but is not selling on consoles (doing decent on steam tho), and the SNK CEO even stepped down this week... but BEST ERA EVER, RIGHT?! XD |
Reply to ArabianLuffy
King of Fighters series much like any other series struggles to evolve. I personally stopped playing KoF after 98. Nothing new to me. Even beyond 99, 2000, 2001, etc. I like 97 above all.
Certain series I will stick to them as long as it takes, because they're to me better than the rest.
- Pro Evolution Soccer 3
- Street Fighter Alpha 3
- King of Fighter 97
- WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain!
- WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw (PS2, 2004)
Certain series I will stick to them as long as it takes, because they're to me better than the rest.
- Pro Evolution Soccer 3
- Street Fighter Alpha 3
- King of Fighter 97
- WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain!
- WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw (PS2, 2004)
ArabianLuffy said: King of Fighters series much like any other series struggles to evolve. I personally stopped playing KoF after 98. Nothing new to me. Even beyond 99, 2000, 2001, etc. I like 97 above all. In all honesty many series do not evolve much, you are right. imo the big companies dont want to since it can tank a game's franchise if the new mechanics or characters suck. I guess SF3 was a good example of this. I loved that series even from the start probably more than SF2. But I am pretty sure it's considered a commercial failure compared to S2 and 4, even though SF3 3S is considered the GOAT of fighters. Personally I think with KoF they don't add enough new moves to later games and new mechanics are either really bad or good. XI was a good one imo just the right balance of new/long gone characters with a good tag system. I def prefer the lovely 2D sprites of 2000s/2010s era over the new repetitive 3D models too! There is an art to 3D models. And while I like SF6 DoA and even KoF Max Impact models I just dont care for recent SNK models. My feeling is always like, why play this over others...? |
| @Shishio-kun, as of now, Arc System Works stomps on its competitors like ants. It was a smart move by ASW that GG Strive needs to be different in a better way than the trilogy of Xrd. Released in 2021, and it’s been 4 years no new GG after Strive. Damn… I want CAPCOM vs SNK 3 or Rival Schools to be developed by ASW. |
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@AmityBlight Depends on the game. Strive, MVC3, BBTAG Yes, COTW, SamSho and KOF No way. In Strive only started playing last month after Nette and I meme it to death. I did this after just 5 days of playing  I won tournaments too I don't win real life anymore because I have life now. PSN It girl time!  LMFAO I don't care about old heads XD. I just play the shit for fun. They can keep complaining about patches and how moderate fighting games I am good. "Sol you're all talk" @ArabianLuffy There won't GG strive still going strong. Data leak. |
MissHeedMay 16, 7:58 PM
| @MissHeed I just realized you and amity are both friends and you probably called your buddy in since he posted right after you xD but "you dont care what ppl think" SUUUURE Good job getting celestial honestly, but most of us were celestial day one if we have fundamentals so it's not this brag you think it is. Also, you have to play against the other celestials to really get a gauge of where you are. And your region may be weaker than others and the other floors were easy to bypass. @AmityBlight MVC3 opinion was divided? Yet so many old school players picked it up who werent even into marvel like Tokido, RF, Daigo, and all the old MVC2 players came back like Mike Ross, Wong, Yipes, Fanatiq, Clockwork, and the list goes on?? BRO DO YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT WHAT YOURE SAYING 😭😭😭😭 "Uh um w-w-w-wait now that I am getting owned, I-I wasn't actually talking about you!!!" 😂😂😂😂 No one could refute my points either 😂 GGs!  |
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@Shishio-kun, as of now, Arc System Works stomps on its competitors like ants. It was a smart move by ASW that GG Strive needs to be different in a better way than the trilogy of Xrd. Released in 2021, and it’s been 4 years no new GG after Strive.
Damn… I want CAPCOM vs SNK 3 or Rival Schools to be developed by ASW.
Damn… I want CAPCOM vs SNK 3 or Rival Schools to be developed by ASW.
ArabianLuffy said: Damn… I want CAPCOM vs SNK 3 or Rival Schools to be developed by ASW. lol they are! And I do too, CVS3 is inevitable imo, I just hope it will have a big cast and won't be 2v2 😭😭😭 |
MissHeed said: There won't GG strive still going strong. Ever since GG Strive released in 2021, and I'm waiting for a discount. Not on the standard edition, but the Blazing Edition ($79.99)  |
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rohan121 said:
Why not put them in normal non live service games then?
Why not put them in normal non live service games then?
Because live service games profit from getting you to keep playing for as long as possible (and throw money at it compulsively after getting desperate with pulls).
Most video games profit from you just buying it. Skyrim doesn't profit from you playing it for 1000 hours as opposed to 20 hours.
| @Auron you picked the worst example, I bought that game three times + one dlc lol |
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@Auron you picked the worst example, I bought that game three times + one dlc lol
| @Commit_Crime I bought it once (and Bethesda gave Special Edition for free on Steam), skill issue :P But jokes aside they are greedy for sure lol, it's just not explicitly designed into the game to maximize profit through duration of play. |
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@Commit_Crime
I bought it once (and Bethesda gave Special Edition for free on Steam), skill issue :P
But jokes aside they are greedy for sure lol, it's just not explicitly designed into the game to maximize profit through duration of play.
I bought it once (and Bethesda gave Special Edition for free on Steam), skill issue :P
But jokes aside they are greedy for sure lol, it's just not explicitly designed into the game to maximize profit through duration of play.
| @Auron greedy or not, I love Todd, buying versions of Skyrim was never a waste of money for me, its THE video game |
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| Live-service games have nothing going for them aside from sexy characters in ecchi outfits and situations, and generally bank on their niche—yet very financially devoted—audience to keep the games afloat. |
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