Ishura 2nd Season Episode 5 Discussion

A freestyle battle like this where anyone can join the battle at any point (or even any place if you're Mele, I think I'll call his battle intervention a "work from home") reminds me of Fate, but as Fate franchise getting bigger it becomes bounded by its own tradition, but Ishura doesn't have to follow any tradition, and the fact that all Ishura participants are not based on our real world historical figures or folklores makes Ishura very liberated.

I'm a little bit sad that the particle storm doesn't have introduction card, yes he already dead but his story looming over 5 episodes is quite a significant portion.

Been waiting for that episode ever since I read that part, didn't disappoint.

They skipped a scene in the first episode with a young girl getting devoured by the Particle Storm. She met Linaris there who wrapped the wound on her leg in the bandage. But it was unclear that it was Linaris. And the reveal later that her death wasn't useless and in fact it went according to Linaris's plan. And the reason she killed him there, was because she couldn't let his body be examined by Auretia, if they did, her involvement would be revealed. Because right now Auretia believes that the vampires are dead.
They also skipped another point with her attendants talking between each other, surprised that Mele intervened and being upset that Particle Storm didn't end up destroying Auretia and wondered if they should 'draw out Alus the Star Runner" and another said that "based on the Auretia's strength, they need to send someone like Lucunoca the Winter" and the other attendant said that "The Lady's body is too weak, just sending Particle Storm took a huge toll on her body"

They skipped the part where Mestelexil thanked Toroa for not killing Kiyazuna as Toroa had multiple opportunities to do so, and the Old Toroa would've done that, but the New Toroa doesn't want to kill needlessly. And Toroa leaving the Blasting Blade behind, just so he can save Kuuro, goes to show that New Toroa is different, prioritizing lives.

Toroa had beaten Mestelexil, but that was partly because he was in the vicinity of Kiyazuna, and a lot of Mestelexil's weapons will damage Kiyazuna, but still, considering the two are always close, Kiyazuna will always be a hindrance for Mestelexil, unless its a tournament setting.

Also it was pretty obvious that Kiyazuna made Mestelexil, thinking about the Particle Storm. 1)he is immortal 2) has many tools that can beat the Particle Storm.

I liked Kiyazuna's character adaptation. How she is very prideful, doesn't bow down to others, was willing to die just so Toroa doesn't get the sword and then the fact that she did it because Mestelexil's liked it and then even adapted the "Mestelexil found something he wants to do". So far nothing really have been skipped about Kiyazuna and Mestelexil.

I liked this episode, but I would have loved it more if I understood some things about it.
Firstly, why did Kūro try to kill himself?
He says he wanted to use his eyes to save someone. Does he mean someone specific that we don't know yet, or does he mean saving people in general?
If he means someone specific, I guess Clairvoyance is not showing him anything that would harm that person.
I'm not really sure how Clairvoyance works either way. I think it can show him anything as long as it aligns with his (subconscious) desire(?)
So my interpretation is that what he wanted wouldn't happen if he killed Atrazek / he died, but he somehow realised that was not what he really wanted.
What I truly don't get is what made him change his mind and what he would achieve by killing Atrazek / himself.
I would appreciate it if someone could explain that. I feel like something is missing.

Bonus Question: Why did Toroa leave the enchanted sword to save Kūro?
As far as I understand, he finds magic swords to prevent people from killing, like how Alus killed his father with enchanted weapons.
But if that's the case, would he really think it's worth leaving the Blasting Blade to save a random person who was spying him? I don't buy it.
(He may explain to Kūro why he saved him next episode, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.)
((Especially when contrasted with how good that final reveal was!))

@gorkthe134th He didn't try to kill himself. He is a ex member of Obsidian Eyes and he was bathed in a lot of blood once he was there, he wanted to stop bringing harm to others so his clairvoyance got weaker as a result. But it was something he didn't understand himself. If it didn't get weaker, he would continue using it to harm others. Because he would become useless to Auretia as they want to use his Clairvoyance to get rid of its enemies. He understood that eventually he'll become useless to them, probably after he gets rid of the Particle Storm and they'll get rid of him, so he subsconsciously weakened his Clairvoyance.
He also tried to preserve his life more than anything, he didn't want to die.

When it comes to what Clairvoyance is, it's hard to explain, but basically it's all the normal sences but enchanced to an extreme(if you remember from last episode, he could hear Toroa's heartbeat from all the way back). He focuses all of his senses in a particular direction(i.e Toroa/Particle Storm). So it doesn't get misdirected on wind for example. There are also other senses open to him like synesthesia,magnetic forces, sensing heat.


He didn't change his mind, he always wanted to use his ability to the max, he just subconsciously subdued it, he finally understood why that was the case. Also his ability is his identity. I think it was even mentioned in the last episode, how he expressed his fear of losing his ability and becoming like others, if I can provide an analogy, it would be like for us losing the ability to see things, that's what he was losing. Identity crisis, yeah.

I don't blame you or anyone else for not fully understanding this, Kuuro is very confusing, especially in anime with less context. They also skipped some of the points of his character in the anime, like how he always treats Cuneugh with gifts because he was afraid she'd betray him, so to keep her betraying her, he tried to keep her happy, but in the later scene where she said she loves him, was where she was supposed to say "I never really cared about any gifts". Or how Kuuro kept her around because his clairvoyance was weakening, and he couldn't see every threat around him, so he needed an extra pair of eyes.


Old Toroa would never done that, enchanted sword > lives for him, but the New Toroa doesn't want needless killings. He had multiple opportunities to kill Kiyazuna for example. Once he learned that Kuuro was vital in taking down Particle Storm/saving many lives, because if he got into town, the damage would be devastating. He thought his life was worth saving, he sacrificed his sword, because that would let Kiyazuna give up her vehicle, without it, he wouldn't be able to get him to the hospital quick enough. So yeah, lives > enchanted swords for this Toroa.
He won't explain it next episode.

If you got any other questions, ask away.

Been waiting for that episode ever since I read that part, didn't disappoint.

They skipped a scene in the first episode with a young girl getting devoured by the Particle Storm. She met Linaris there who wrapped the wound on her leg in the bandage. But it was unclear that it was Linaris. And the reveal later that her death wasn't useless and in fact it went according to Linaris's plan. And the reason she killed him there, was because she couldn't let his body be examined by Auretia, if they did, her involvement would be revealed. Because right now Auretia believes that the vampires are dead.
They also skipped another point with her attendants talking between each other, surprised that Mele intervened and being upset that Particle Storm didn't end up destroying Auretia and wondered if they should 'draw out Alus the Star Runner" and another said that "based on the Auretia's strength, they need to send someone like Lucunoca the Winter" and the other attendant said that "The Lady's body is too weak, just sending Particle Storm took a huge toll on her body"

They skipped the part where Mestelexil thanked Toroa for not killing Kiyazuna as Toroa had multiple opportunities to do so, and the Old Toroa would've done that, but the New Toroa doesn't want to kill needlessly. And Toroa leaving the Blasting Blade behind, just so he can save Kuuro, goes to show that New Toroa is different, prioritizing lives.

Toroa had beaten Mestelexil, but that was partly because he was in the vicinity of Kiyazuna, and a lot of Mestelexil's weapons will damage Kiyazuna, but still, considering the two are always close, Kiyazuna will always be a hindrance for Mestelexil, unless its a tournament setting.

Also it was pretty obvious that Kiyazuna made Mestelexil, thinking about the Particle Storm. 1)he is immortal 2) has many tools that can beat the Particle Storm.

I liked Kiyazuna's character adaptation. How she is very prideful, doesn't bow down to others, was willing to die just so Toroa doesn't get the sword and then the fact that she did it because Mestelexil's liked it and then even adapted the "Mestelexil found something he wants to do". So far nothing really have been skipped about Kiyazuna and Mestelexil.

@Hirugiku Thank you for taking time to answer my questions.
This is definitely the episode of this series I understood the least about when I first watched.
After rewatching some parts of both this and last episode with a clear mind, I think I got it.
"I'm afraid of dying. I'm afraid of killing. Then why am I still fighting?" - Kūro, last episode.
I think Kūro was conflicted about what he wanted to achieve. He didn't want anyone to die, but also didn't want to die himself.
That's why Clairvoyance was not showing him accurate information; it wasn't showing anything that would cause someone, even himself, to die.
And when he realised that, he knew that he had to make a decision: let Auretia kill him or let Atrazek kill innocent people.
Not even Clairvoyance could find a way to achieve everything he wanted, he was too greedy, sacrifices needed to be made.
In the end, he chose to save innocent people at the expense of his life.
That is something Toroa values a lot as well, he respects someone that would do everything is their power to save innocent lives.
Which is the reason Toroa is willing to give up one of his enchanted weapons if it means someone like Kūro can be saved.
Side Note: Is Kiyazuna really a woman? I thought that was a mistranslation.
Both their appearance and voice seem male to me and I don't think we have any concrete evidence for either case.
(No, I don't count Mestelexil calling them Mom. They don't seem like a reliable source in this case.)

They didn't, but LN mentioned he was on a lake and the water is shallow when she approached him.