The Ghost in the Shell
| I hear what you are saying. When the internet was a new concept that the general public was finally able to wrap their heads around and start using, the allure of what was once merely "Sci fi/sci possible" was appealing. IS A BIG PART OF WHY SO much entertainment of the genre was all ove the place in the 1980s & 1990s. But people rarely have the true awareness to appreciate or recognize the signifigance of the era they dwell in, or the great movers and shakers of history from said itme periods. As we get closer to the years of all these big franchises, though GiTS takes place from 2029 onwards, like many other sci fi shows and franchises, the real world is still behind a good amount of what made said franchises so iconic. Yet the appeal is still there, I believe, lurking in the not so digital "domains" of our brains :P. Still though, this feels like another remake, and will likely have some retcons as so many things have retconned parts of its own stories and elements in recent years across media left and right. It all seems to be just for the sake of celebraitng Ghost in the Shells 30th anniversary, but as you basically pointed out...its just no that big a deal anymore. And once that crummy live action adaptation was out on theatres years ago, the proof of how little impact the franchise had anymore was all too sadly apparant for all. But whom knows, maybe this new iteration will actuall be enjoyable for most. We shall see. BE well ^<^ |
| Science saru's stuff don't have mainstream appeal the same way the 1995 movie and SAC did. Also imo the 1995 film and SAC also no longer have mainstream appeal as the tastes have shifted so I doubt we'll be seeing a huge revival of interest in the franchise even though it still carries name recognition. |
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Osamunau said: My personal opinion, this new adaptation will most likely be a completely fine, maybe even gre sci-fi anime, but it just won't set the world on fire like 90s movie, or early 2000s SAC series, because those kind of came when Internet was just becoming to be a thing, and had sort of mystery to it too... Matrix, Serial Experiments Lain, even Digimon, there was just something about Internet around that era. But maybe in current era of 2020s, and how popular is something like Black Mirror series, maybe something could be done with this new series, IMO. AnchientProphet2 said: I hear what you are saying. When the internet was a new concept that the general public was finally able to wrap their heads around and start using, the allure of what was once merely "Sci fi/sci possible" was appealing. IS A BIG PART OF WHY SO much entertainment of the genre was all ove the place in the 1980s & 1990s. I think something can be said for how we're in a new era of technological understanding where stuff like the mere existence of the internet isn't new anymore but there are now a new and similarly complex set of questions about digital technology (including such things as artificial intelligence, impacts on people's lifestyles and social development, political dimensions such as misinformation/disinformation, data privacy, etc.) that are relevant nowadays. It'd certainly be interesting if the remake/reboot/re-whatever addresses some of these questions. (Though this does remind me that I need to watch the original!) There are a number of other anime works that touch on these elements to varying extents. .hack// is a prominent example, though its origins are also a little dated. More recent examples, albeit less prominent, include Fractale, Harmony, and Beatless. I'm likely neglecting many others, in naming just ones I'm personally familiar with. It's interesting to see how different series explore these questions. |
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Osamunau said:
My personal opinion, this new adaptation will most likely be a completely fine, maybe even gre sci-fi anime, but it just won't set the world on fire like 90s movie, or early 2000s SAC series, because those kind of came when Internet was just becoming to be a thing, and had sort of mystery to it too...
Matrix, Serial Experiments Lain, even Digimon, there was just something about Internet around that era.
But maybe in current era of 2020s, and how popular is something like Black Mirror series, maybe something could be done with this new series, IMO.
My personal opinion, this new adaptation will most likely be a completely fine, maybe even gre sci-fi anime, but it just won't set the world on fire like 90s movie, or early 2000s SAC series, because those kind of came when Internet was just becoming to be a thing, and had sort of mystery to it too...
Matrix, Serial Experiments Lain, even Digimon, there was just something about Internet around that era.
But maybe in current era of 2020s, and how popular is something like Black Mirror series, maybe something could be done with this new series, IMO.
AnchientProphet2 said:
I hear what you are saying. When the internet was a new concept that the general public was finally able to wrap their heads around and start using, the allure of what was once merely "Sci fi/sci possible" was appealing. IS A BIG PART OF WHY SO much entertainment of the genre was all ove the place in the 1980s & 1990s.
I hear what you are saying. When the internet was a new concept that the general public was finally able to wrap their heads around and start using, the allure of what was once merely "Sci fi/sci possible" was appealing. IS A BIG PART OF WHY SO much entertainment of the genre was all ove the place in the 1980s & 1990s.
I think something can be said for how we're in a new era of technological understanding where stuff like the mere existence of the internet isn't new anymore but there are now a new and similarly complex set of questions about digital technology (including such things as artificial intelligence, impacts on people's lifestyles and social development, political dimensions such as misinformation/disinformation, data privacy, etc.) that are relevant nowadays.
It'd certainly be interesting if the remake/reboot/re-whatever addresses some of these questions. (Though this does remind me that I need to watch the original!)
There are a number of other anime works that touch on these elements to varying extents. .hack// is a prominent example, though its origins are also a little dated. More recent examples, albeit less prominent, include Fractale, Harmony, and Beatless. I'm likely neglecting many others, in naming just ones I'm personally familiar with. It's interesting to see how different series explore these questions.
| @GlennMagusHarvey At this point, seeing what is left to achieve that as once mere science fiction, if achievable at all, is gonna be the real trick Autonomous robots walking around, when? Flying cars and similar tech, when? Full dive stuff, etc etc, space travel, etc. Honestly...It can all take its sweet time. Maybe by the 2030s or later things will pickup with real cybernetics and androids/gynoids etc. :P |
| personally I lost interest in the shows because they felt more like every other detective show and not like the movie(s) at all. So if this is closer to that Im hyped. If not I will ignore it. |
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personally I lost interest in the shows because they felt more like every other detective show and not like the movie(s) at all. So if this is closer to that Im hyped. If not I will ignore it.
| @Comander-07 So you're in to disappointment land. It'll probably be a faithful manga adaptation. |
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@Comander-07 So you're in to disappointment land. It'll probably be a faithful manga adaptation.
| @fudish123 shame then. GITS is so popular because of the movie, and the movie is so good because its not boring detective work. Never understood why the shows failed to understand that. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
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@fudish123 shame then. GITS is so popular because of the movie, and the movie is so good because its not boring detective work. Never understood why the shows failed to understand that.
| @Comander-07 OR maybe you are the one who failed to understand what GITS is really about. |
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@fudish123 shame then. GITS is so popular because of the movie, and the movie is so good because its not boring detective work. Never understood why the shows failed to understand that.
| @Comander-07 The movie is something unique on its own. The manga is very comedic and light hearted, unlike the SAC series that has the typical 00s edgy tone to it. I suggest you to read the manga, it's like 3 volumes anyway. |
| Hopefully it's gonna be more like the original movie and focus on philosophical themes. |
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| The only anime so far that actually reflects Masamune Shirow's artstyle is a little obscure ONA called W-Tails Cat: A Strange Presence, and as you might have guessed it's pornographic and it's adapted from his Greaseberries series. I don't expect the newly announced Gits anime to get a similar negative reaction as the recent 3D one as long as it remains 2D (since that's all what gits fans are asking for), but it's important to keep in mind that the 1995 movie and the 2004 movie and the 2015 movie and the 2002/2013 TV series are visions of the different directors that directed them and not Shirow's, namely Mamoru Oshii who toned down the nudity and cranked up the philosophical themes by taking Shirow's characters as a reference point and molding them into his own vision. Also, we did see the Major's actual personality in the Ghost in the Shell PS1 video games cutscenes which is very accurate to her original manga counterpart. Thus, in an odd way the next Gits anime will be the first authentic anime adaptation of the source material right down to the constant casual female character nudity as Masamune Shirow has always envisioned and intended. |
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Hopefully it's gonna be more like the original movie and focus on philosophical themes.
| @Zarutaku No, i don't think so. This is a faithful manga adaptation so expect more nudity and less philosophy. The philosophy was mostly the addition of Mamoru Oshii and the other directors who made the gits non-manga media. |
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@Zarutaku No, i don't think so. This is a faithful manga adaptation so expect more nudity and less philosophy.
The philosophy was mostly the addition of Mamoru Oshii and the other directors who made the gits non-manga media.
The philosophy was mostly the addition of Mamoru Oshii and the other directors who made the gits non-manga media.
tchitchouan said: expect more nudity Sounds even better 😏 |
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tchitchouan said:
expect more nudity
expect more nudity
Sounds even better 😏
| @Zarutaku If i were to guess how the anime will turn out, i think it'll resemble like the ghost in the shell PS1 cutscenes but more cleaned up and HD. |
tchitchouan said: If i were to guess how the anime will turn out, i think it'll resemble like the ghost in the shell PS1 cutscenes but more cleaned up and HD. Looks good, certainly better than the SaC style imo, though it kinda lacks the badass vibes of the '95 movie design. |
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tchitchouan said:
If i were to guess how the anime will turn out, i think it'll resemble like the ghost in the shell PS1 cutscenes but more cleaned up and HD.
If i were to guess how the anime will turn out, i think it'll resemble like the ghost in the shell PS1 cutscenes but more cleaned up and HD.
Looks good, certainly better than the SaC style imo, though it kinda lacks the badass vibes of the '95 movie design.
| @Zarutaku yeah the badassness was all mamoru oshii's work, the original vision of masamune shirow's manga is very goofy and comedic. |
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personally I lost interest in the shows because they felt more like every other detective show and not like the movie(s) at all. So if this is closer to that Im hyped. If not I will ignore it.
| @Comander-07 GitS: SAC is much closer to manga in spirit, meanwhile Mamoru Oshii's movie is pseudo-intellectual, bible-quoting pile of garbage. It doesn't really have any characters, no social commentary. All there is to it, is three cool action scenes and a question of "what is the difference between human and machine?". Based on the poster to this new anime, it might actually try to faithfully adapt the manga for once, which I fully welcome. |
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@Comander-07 GitS: SAC is much closer to manga in spirit, meanwhile Mamoru Oshii's movie is pseudo-intellectual, bible-quoting pile of garbage.
It doesn't really have any characters, no social commentary. All there is to it, is three cool action scenes and a question of "what is the difference between human and machine?".
Based on the poster to this new anime, it might actually try to faithfully adapt the manga for once, which I fully welcome.
It doesn't really have any characters, no social commentary. All there is to it, is three cool action scenes and a question of "what is the difference between human and machine?".
Based on the poster to this new anime, it might actually try to faithfully adapt the manga for once, which I fully welcome.
| @JohnDowson I know, thats why I dont like SAC either. I dont watch GITS for police stuff. For a 2h movie you dont need more, maybe thats all GITS needs to be. |
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@Comander-07 GitS: SAC is much closer to manga in spirit, meanwhile Mamoru Oshii's movie is pseudo-intellectual, bible-quoting pile of garbage.
It doesn't really have any characters, no social commentary. All there is to it, is three cool action scenes and a question of "what is the difference between human and machine?".
Based on the poster to this new anime, it might actually try to faithfully adapt the manga for once, which I fully welcome.
It doesn't really have any characters, no social commentary. All there is to it, is three cool action scenes and a question of "what is the difference between human and machine?".
Based on the poster to this new anime, it might actually try to faithfully adapt the manga for once, which I fully welcome.
| @JohnDowson I bet to differ on the movie, it's not because you don't like it that it doesn't have academic value (long story short: it does, but it's a movie, not a paper). |
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@JohnDowson I bet to differ on the movie, it's not because you don't like it that it doesn't have academic value (long story short: it does, but it's a movie, not a paper).
| @fudish123 It certainly does have merit as a piece of visual media, it's just that the writing is extremely underwhelming. |
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@Zarutaku If i were to guess how the anime will turn out, i think it'll resemble like the ghost in the shell PS1 cutscenes but more cleaned up and HD.
| @tchitchouan damn this is great very similar to the manga art style |
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@fudish123
It certainly does have merit as a piece of visual media, it's just that the writing is extremely underwhelming.
It certainly does have merit as a piece of visual media, it's just that the writing is extremely underwhelming.
| @JohnDowson It's all up to personal taste. As a philosophy undergraduate student, I find many similarities in GITS to René Descartes' "Meditations on First Philosophy", regarding Kusanagi's struggle on her being human or not, we can draw from René's book on the res cogitans (mind) and res extensa(body) conflict that he develops and somewhat solves many chapters later. |
| it's hilarious how so many people here still defend that garbage 1995 oshii movie that destroyed ghost in the shell, probably they never read the manga which the movie is loosely based on. |
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it's hilarious how so many people here still defend that garbage 1995 oshii movie that destroyed ghost in the shell, probably they never read the manga which the movie is loosely based on.
| @Catalano I beg to differ, although it's way different than the source material, is by no means garbage. Get over your personal taste, buddy. Your belly button is not the standart measure for stuff. |
| I liked the movie but I actually prefer SAC. I liked Arise but find it less fluid than SAC. I really like how streamlined SAC is, merging a good story with interesting takes on the characters. I don't really know what to expect from this reboot. I'll give it a shot but I can't really imagine being really seduced. |
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@Zarutaku If i were to guess how the anime will turn out, i think it'll resemble like the ghost in the shell PS1 cutscenes but more cleaned up and HD.
| @tchitchouan that is expensive asf, either it will be significantly simplified or they will use 3d cgi/neural networks. |
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