| Ambient sounds and chirping birds often playing in the background, muted colors inside the city, toned down voice acting, mostly realistic facial expressions, highly detailed art and backgrounds, detailed character designs that always stay on model, always present shading, almost weirdly detailed cloth animation, constant use of film-like angles, etc. Chainsaw Man almost feels like an animated live-action show rather than an "anime" at some times. The CSM director Ryu Nakayama has stated that he wants to make CSM realistic like a live-action show. Is Mappa going too far with this approach or do you think all of this is fine? |
| Hell Yeah!! Psycho Goku back after a long ba.... break |
| I don't even get what they even mean or what you guys mean by this "realistic approach". CSM even in it's comedy bits were never that over the top. The over analysis of how they adapted the Power Makima interactions I am going to be honest was so insanely nitpicky. It's not like FMA where you get chibi jokes or that many off model faces in the first place. They are putting in more slow SOL bits but that again scenes like that were in the manga (I was quite fond of those). They have also expanded on fights as well too. CSM has plenty of goofy moments which are still here but it was always a series artistically when it came to the human characters pretty grounded for the most part. |
BilboBaggins365Nov 1, 2022 8:56 PM
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| Nah this much is fine, CSM is a perfect Action Manga to choose for this more 'realistic' approach. -CSM's character design is a lot more realistic than your average anime character, No human with oversized eyes or overly spiky hair, They have a proper nose and dressed like a normal people would: a casual clothing and/or just an office suit with shirt underneath it, no special 'Uniform' like your typical battle shonen like JJK and KnY for example. -There's no weird goofy faces just a normal faces in comedy sequences. -MC doesn't have your typical anime MC's goal like becoming Hokage Number 1 hero and shit, he's just a guy trying to have a better life. This is one of the best anime adaptation in recent years, of course it can be improved but you can't have a perfect adaptation every anime adaptation will have flaw one way or another. |
Jfs_Nov 1, 2022 9:25 PM
| Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
| Is this... a joke? I saw "detailed character designs that always stay on model" and my face dropped. This has to be satire. Some sequences feel so stiff, like Aki walks like a damn robot. Not to mention that the characters still look very different. Only Makima and Power has consistent drawing, but Aki and Denji's face looked really funny in some scenes. I really love the direction of the show and the different camera angles and changing points of view. The music, background, that hint of realism too, but there are so many scenes where it feels like the characters are out of place. |
| I sometimes forget to finish my sentences. |
| My boi Psycho Goku is back. |
| Psycho Goku is back with her stupid question |
Psycho_Goku said: Ambient sounds and chirping birds often playing in the background, muted colors inside the city, toned down voice acting, mostly realistic facial expressions, highly detailed art and backgrounds, detailed character designs that always stay on model, always present shading, almost weirdly detailed cloth animation, constant use of film-like angles, etc. Chainsaw Man almost feels like an animated live-action show rather than an "anime" at some times. The CSM director Ryu Nakayama has stated that he wants to make CSM realistic like a live-action show. Is Mappa going too far with this approach or do you think all of this is fine? it's not the only anime to be that realistic. Every Kyoani anime is similar or better in being realistic |
| https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ [WATCH THIS^^^] |
| With all due respect. It's a generic animation, with one dimensional characters in dead body's. They feel like wax doll's. |
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| I think i'm enjoying it, this approach might be a hit or miss depending on the episode but the latest one was virtually perfect in every aspect (the amount of character acting makes it so pleasing to watch) so i'm willing to stay optimistic. |
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| It's a series about a guy who turns into a chainsaw monster thing. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| it's not even that realistic, they just adapted the manga, cutting the meme faces doesn't make an anime realistic but it will sure impress some fanboys |
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ep 4 was a legit with good animation and he finally touched themπ΅π€ππβ¨β¨it has become my favourite anime |
| The main thing that bothers me about it is the Animation, is that it looks obvious that they used rotoscoping technique (filming someone, then drawing over the film frame by frame). It looks uncanny for an anime. They won't admit it and pretend it's just 3D CGI, but 3D character animations don't look that fluid and detailed between keyframes, except if you use motion capture... which is a modern version of rotoscoping, and still gives an uncanny result. (If you let the computer automatically generate in-between keyframes animation, it won't look that realistic) A great example of 3D models turned into 2D characters is Guilty Gear. Arc System Works has mastered the mix of 3D characters turned into anime, with Guilty Gear. And they purposely skipped a lot of frames, to make it look like less fluid, as hand-drawn animation skips frames and has imperfections. Not to mention how they used a lot of shape deforming for the quick movements, which was also a brillant effect. It's all 3D and shaders but actually looks like hand drawn animation with all the "flaws" of 2D animation, that gives it its charm. It has a soul. I'm not impressed with CSM animation, it looks lazy, soulless, and mostly computer generated or captured. I hope this is not the future of animation. Miyazaki would rolled over his grave if he saw that |
Radical_OrionNov 2, 2022 2:14 AM
dtg75 said: There is no rotoscoping. dtg75 said: There is no rotoscoping. You work at MAPPA? No. So you don't know. I don't know either. But it looks like rotoscoping/motion capture. The Big Lewoski segment screams rotoscoping lol Same for other movie references like Reservoir Dogs, it's not just inspiration... I have enough experience in 3D and art to see that they sought for the least effort/cheapest ways. People are impressed by cheap tricks... |
zarrapha said: There's no way you think everything is rotoscoped Where did I used the word "everything"? oO This is why we can't have a conversation here, already going extreme! I gave examples of sequences that look like rotoscoping, the Hollywood movies references in the opening in particular. I need to rewatch the episode to remember the other weird sequences I noticed. Rotoscoping or not. My point is that some animations and expressions look too fluid and detailed for an anime style design, to the point it falls into the uncanny valley. Reference video as you showed is mandatory for all animators, and that's not what I'm pointing out. The result of the example you've shown still looks creative, imperfect and human-made. Some frames and dynamics are simplified. What bothers me in some CSM sequences, is that it looks too real and detailed. Hand-made or not, it doesn't suit well to see anime characters (or any cartoon) move too realistically, it's uncanny. This is why studios like Pixar have animators, instead of just using motion capture even though they could afford it Also, some CSM facial expressions/animations look way too fluid, yet rigid at the same time. This is not anime-like, this is weird. You can feel the 3D limitations, while 2D allows you to deform/distort/exagerate elements Sorry for pointing that out, maybe there are some good ideas and intentions in that whole experiment, but it's clearly not fully mastered yet, I have a personal preference for the regular hand drawn animation so I have the right to have a negative opinion about CSM adaptation. It's not like I come here without any argument just to say "it sucks". It's just my opinion. My opinion is not supreme (unless you want it to be) |
| for me it is correct, you do not have to look for 5 legs to the cat!!! kekeke |
| God-tier thread. Genuinely one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. And I'm not even trying to be ironic, making a bait thread that's actually entertaining is actually not that easy. |
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| I have thought about what this anime would've looked like in a less realistic, more expressive, more "rubbery" animation style. I tried to imagine CSM made by Trigger. But at the same time, I'm enjoying how this anime looks a lot as is, so I don't care. I wouldn't change anything. |
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