RobertBobert said: But isn't it possible that Tsukihime is just in a certain period of time when it was not possible? Well no, originally Tsukihime's end was around FSN's beginning. The Remake takes place in the 2010s and so does Fate/ Grand Order, and Fate/Strange Fake(probably). The problem starts from many years ago, possibly during 300 AD since that year has a very notable difference between the two worlds. |
ssjokg said: RobertBobert said: But isn't it possible that Tsukihime is just in a certain period of time when it was not possible? Well no, originally Tsukihime's end was around FSN's beginning. The Remake takes place in the 2010s and so does Fate/ Grand Order, and Fate/Strange Fake(probably). The problem starts from many years ago, possibly during 300 AD since that year has a very notable difference between the two worlds. So, are you suggesting that Tsukihime have the same setting, but taking place in a slightly different world's version than Night? Like FGO and Apocrypha relate to the original visual novel? |
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RobertBobert said: Same setting but there are no grail wars and vampires are a bigger deal.ssjokg said: Well no, originally Tsukihime's end was around FSN's beginning. The Remake takes place in the 2010s and so does Fate/ Grand Order, and Fate/Strange Fake(probably). The problem starts from many years ago, possibly during 300 AD since that year has a very notable difference between the two worlds. So, are you suggesting that Tsukihime have the same setting, but taking place in a slightly different world's version than Night? Like FGO and Apocrypha relate to the original visual novel? It isnt a spin off of Stay Night like FGO and Apocrypha are. |
| Meanwhile the translation for the VN is almost done, many years later... |
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| Ah yes from the original creator of the amazing fate series! |
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ssjokg said: Now, where does Mahoyo take place? Dont think about it. I'm not familiar with Mahoyo's plot at all tbh, but wouldn't it technically be a prequel of sorts to Garden of Sinners? Y'know, since it seems that a younger Touko Aozaki will be a major character in play here. |
| Hope it's not as bad as Fate:UBW and Garden of Sinners |
| I am pretty hyped for this movie. |
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| WOOOOOOOO AOKO GETS HER TIME TO SHINE LETS GOOOOOOOOO |
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| Type Moon and Ufotable. Name a more iconic duo. Remember looking for the VN several years ago and finding nothing. Had completely forgotten about it. |
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| always hyped for any Type-Moon anime |
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trixteruuu_ said: Hmm? Why they didn't include Soujy in this trailer man, he's one of the protagonist of this series, man justice for my guy Sadge Tbh, I prefer male mcs most of the time, so I really hope he plays a big role like he’s supposed to. If not, that’s gonna suck |
Stygian_Prisoner said: ssjokg said: Now, where does Mahoyo take place? Dont think about it. I'm not familiar with Mahoyo's plot at all tbh, but wouldn't it technically be a prequel of sorts to Garden of Sinners? Y'know, since it seems that a younger Touko Aozaki will be a major character in play here. Technically it is a prequel for FSN,Tsukihime and Garden of Sinners. Touko is a runaway and on bad terms with Aoko in all 3 stories(and even in Extra). Touko appears or is mentioned in FSN(depending on the format) and is a secondary mc in Garden, Aoko is important in Tsukihime. |
| When will they finally get a new character designer |
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RobertBobert said: ssjokg said: Well no, originally Tsukihime's end was around FSN's beginning. The Remake takes place in the 2010s and so does Fate/ Grand Order, and Fate/Strange Fake(probably). The problem starts from many years ago, possibly during 300 AD since that year has a very notable difference between the two worlds. So, are you suggesting that Tsukihime have the same setting, but taking place in a slightly different world's version than Night? Like FGO and Apocrypha relate to the original visual novel? long story short is that they were originally a part of the same world but got retconned into different worlds due to lore inconsistencies. think of Fate zero being an alternate universe of FSN due to lore incosnsitency between the two even tho they were considered same world before nasu now, it's split into three type of worlds (technically 2) tsuki worlds: servants cannot be summoned and DAA (dead apostle ancestors) organization exist fate worlds: servants can be summoned and the DAA organization doesn't exists mixed worlds: fate extra, fate strange fake. both exist this has to do with some lore tdibits about the human order being either strong (1) or weakened (2) or in the case of the last one, an anamoly, which is inconsequential to the question at hand. Tsuki used to exist in the same world as fate (cuz that's when FSN was released), then it became its own world, yet both took place around in the same time period (2004) and now with the ''remake'' of tsuki out if the routine is still the same then it take place in 2021. there you go. as for mahoyo, it's deliberately ambigious so it can be both a prequel to KNK and Tsuki. so till part 2 of the VN comes out and clarify things (or not), you can think of it as a prequel for both |
otto-rimuruDec 28, 2021 1:55 AM
otto-rimuru said: RobertBobert said: So, are you suggesting that Tsukihime have the same setting, but taking place in a slightly different world's version than Night? Like FGO and Apocrypha relate to the original visual novel? long story short is that they were originally a part of the same world but got retconned into different worlds due to lore inconsistencies. think of Fate zero being an alternate universe of FSN due to lore incosnsitency between the two even tho they were considered same world before nasu now, it's split into three type of worlds (technically 2) tsuki worlds: servants cannot be summoned and DAA (dead apostle ancestors) organization doesn't exist fate worlds: servants can be summoned and the DAA organization exists mixed worlds: fate extra, fate strange fake. both exist this has to do with some lore tdibits about the human order being either strong (1) or weakened (2) or in the case of the last one, an anamoly, which is inconsequential to the question at hand. Tsuki used to exist in the same world as fate (cuz that's when FSN was released), then it became its own world, yet both took place around in the same time period (2004) and now with the ''remake'' of tsuki out if the routine is still the same then it take place in 2021. there you go. as for mahoyo, it's deliberately ambigious so it can be both a prequel to KNK and Tsuki. so till part 2 of the VN comes out and clarify things (or not), you can think of it as a prequel for both That is, is it actually one franchise, consisting of a bunch of versions of the same world? |
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RobertBobert said: otto-rimuru said: long story short is that they were originally a part of the same world but got retconned into different worlds due to lore inconsistencies. think of Fate zero being an alternate universe of FSN due to lore incosnsitency between the two even tho they were considered same world before nasu now, it's split into three type of worlds (technically 2) tsuki worlds: servants cannot be summoned and DAA (dead apostle ancestors) organization exist fate worlds: servants can be summoned and the DAA organization doesn't exists mixed worlds: fate extra, fate strange fake. both exist this has to do with some lore tdibits about the human order being either strong (1) or weakened (2) or in the case of the last one, an anamoly, which is inconsequential to the question at hand. Tsuki used to exist in the same world as fate (cuz that's when FSN was released), then it became its own world, yet both took place around in the same time period (2004) and now with the ''remake'' of tsuki out if the routine is still the same then it take place in 2021. there you go. as for mahoyo, it's deliberately ambigious so it can be both a prequel to KNK and Tsuki. so till part 2 of the VN comes out and clarify things (or not), you can think of it as a prequel for both That is, is it actually one franchise, consisting of a bunch of versions of the same world? i made a big typo. correction: the DDA organization doesn't exist in the fate worlds, NOT tsuki. but essentially yes |
otto-rimuru said: RobertBobert said: That is, is it actually one franchise, consisting of a bunch of versions of the same world? i made a big typo. correction: the DDA organization doesn't exist in the fate worlds, NOT tsuki. but essentially yes But what's the point? Or is Nasu just combining works with conflicting settings in this way? |
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RobertBobert said: otto-rimuru said: i made a big typo. correction: the DDA organization doesn't exist in the fate worlds, NOT tsuki. but essentially yes But what's the point? Or is Nasu just combining works with conflicting settings in this way? same reason why nasu made fate zero an alternate universe of FSN. it's just nasu splitting worlds from each other for ''lore consistency'' sake despite them being originally a part of the same world . regardless, they are still technically the same world/setting just divergent from each other |
ssjokg said: I assume this is whether Arcueid meets Roa or not? That makes human history has more/less power and therefore in conclusion, affects the ability to summon servants (which is possible in Fate timeline but not in Tsukihime or KnK one)?RobertBobert said: But isn't it possible that Tsukihime is just in a certain period of time when it was not possible? Well no, originally Tsukihime's end was around FSN's beginning. The Remake takes place in the 2010s and so does Fate/ Grand Order, and Fate/Strange Fake(probably). The problem starts from many years ago, possibly during 300 AD since that year has a very notable difference between the two worlds. RobertBobert said: Have you seen uh Steins;Gate? Basically just like whether Mayushii pulls a Metal Upa or not turns it into two different timelines (in which one of them has a large scale war, and the others don't). Or whether Okarin use the time machine to alter Ruka's sex, etc.otto-rimuru said: long story short is that they were originally a part of the same world but got retconned into different worlds due to lore inconsistencies. think of Fate zero being an alternate universe of FSN due to lore incosnsitency between the two even tho they were considered same world before nasu now, it's split into three type of worlds (technically 2) tsuki worlds: servants cannot be summoned and DAA (dead apostle ancestors) organization doesn't exist fate worlds: servants can be summoned and the DAA organization exists mixed worlds: fate extra, fate strange fake. both exist this has to do with some lore tdibits about the human order being either strong (1) or weakened (2) or in the case of the last one, an anamoly, which is inconsequential to the question at hand. Tsuki used to exist in the same world as fate (cuz that's when FSN was released), then it became its own world, yet both took place around in the same time period (2004) and now with the ''remake'' of tsuki out if the routine is still the same then it take place in 2021. there you go. as for mahoyo, it's deliberately ambigious so it can be both a prequel to KNK and Tsuki. so till part 2 of the VN comes out and clarify things (or not), you can think of it as a prequel for both That is, is it actually one franchise, consisting of a bunch of versions of the same world? This one is affects how you can summon servants and have a holy grail war in Fate timeline, and that you can't in Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai timeline. |
DesolatedDec 28, 2021 7:47 AM
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Desolated said: ssjokg said: I assume this is whether Arcueid meets Roa or not? That makes human history has more/less power and therefore in conclusion, affects the ability to summon servants (which is possible in Fate timeline but not in Tsukihime or KnK one)?Well no, originally Tsukihime's end was around FSN's beginning. The Remake takes place in the 2010s and so does Fate/ Grand Order, and Fate/Strange Fake(probably). The problem starts from many years ago, possibly during 300 AD since that year has a very notable difference between the two worlds. I am talking about Zelretch vs Crimson Moon. One difference we know of between the two worlds is that he is turned into a DA by Crimson Moon in Tsukihime worlds while in Fate worlds he becomes immortal through other means. The DAA existed before Roa did anything so it cant be that since the DAA as a organization/classification existed long before he did anything. Arcueid and Roa didnt even exist back in 300 AD. RobertBobert said: Lore.otto-rimuru said: i made a big typo. correction: the DDA organization doesn't exist in the fate worlds, NOT tsuki. but essentially yes But what's the point? Or is Nasu just combining works with conflicting settings in this way? Think of it like Marvel's or DC's different Earth's or universes. Why dont the Avengers exist in X series/timeline? Why is Bruce Wayne's parents alive? That kind of thing. |
ssjokg said: Ah right. And how it makes the human history got weaker I assume is because Zelretch is the wielder of Second Magic, and by him becoming a DAA it turned the DAs, which is considered as antagonistic force for humanity stronger and humanity, losing the second magic wielder, weaker?Desolated said: I assume this is whether Arcueid meets Roa or not? That makes human history has more/less power and therefore in conclusion, affects the ability to summon servants (which is possible in Fate timeline but not in Tsukihime or KnK one)? I am talking about Zelretch vs Crimson Moon. One difference we know of between the two worlds is that he is turned into a DA by Crimson Moon in Tsukihime worlds while in Fate worlds he becomes immortal through other means. The DAA existed before Roa did anything so it cant be that since the DAA as a organization/classification existed long before he did anything. Arcueid and Roa didnt even exist back in 300 AD. RobertBobert said: Lore.But what's the point? Or is Nasu just combining works with conflicting settings in this way? Think of it like Marvel's or DC's different Earth's or universes. Why dont the Avengers exist in X series/timeline? Why is Bruce Wayne's parents alive? That kind of thing. Also while you're at it, is it true that the wielder of the first magic was someone who's born in the day BC turns to AD? I think I've read that before somewhere. |
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Desolated said: ssjokg said: Ah right. And how it makes the human history got weaker I assume is because Zelretch is the wielder of Second Magic, and by him becoming a DAA it turned the DAs, which is considered as antagonistic force for humanity stronger and humanity, losing the second magic wielder, weaker?I am talking about Zelretch vs Crimson Moon. One difference we know of between the two worlds is that he is turned into a DA by Crimson Moon in Tsukihime worlds while in Fate worlds he becomes immortal through other means. The DAA existed before Roa did anything so it cant be that since the DAA as a organization/classification existed long before he did anything. Arcueid and Roa didnt even exist back in 300 AD. Lore. Think of it like Marvel's or DC's different Earth's or universes. Why dont the Avengers exist in X series/timeline? Why is Bruce Wayne's parents alive? That kind of thing. Also while you're at it, is it true that the wielder of the first magic was someone who's born in the day BC turns to AD? I think I've read that before somewhere. We really dont know. DAA are a group but they dont really work together. We dont know what changes Zelretch's condition creates. It could even be something completely different from that. I only mention it because Crimson Moon is involved. The correct line is "Born the night before BC turned AD". Does that mean it is Jesus? Probably. Or since the calendar was changed way later Nasu just means this and not the actual birth of Christ. |
| @Desolated Well, in the Gates, the differences were mainly in the details and it was all within the framework of one work. otto-rimuru said: RobertBobert said: But what's the point? Or is Nasu just combining works with conflicting settings in this way? same reason why nasu made fate zero an alternate universe of FSN. it's just nasu splitting worlds from each other for ''lore consistency'' sake despite them being originally a part of the same world . regardless, they are still technically the same world/setting just divergent from each other For me personally, Zero has always been a prequel to UBW, given that the prequel and adaptation of Rin's route were done in the same style. |
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| if this trully get animated, then theres a hope for tsukihime remake. and hopefully they do saber route too. |
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| I'll always welcome more Type Moon series from Ufotable so I'm excited....All we need now though is a Tsukihime remake and I'm surprised that didn't do that next now that HF is done |
| Knew this would happen some day. I would've loved if it was a show instead but it's possible to make a satisfying movie as well. Hopefully I actually get to read this before the movie comes out. |
| I'm really hyped, Mahoyo is a great story and I believe that Ufotable can do it justice! |
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