86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
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| Damn they ended the first arc with a bang. Felt like a season finale. The characters really came to life with such encounters. For a second I saw Esdeath in Lena when she threatened Annete. Truly a devil in the making. Aslo SHin finally freed from all his chains and sorrow. A new life in an unknown world. Btw did anyone hear Call your Name playing at the end scene or is it just me. |
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| it honestly really sucks when I can’t find the appeal in a popular show, like I genuinely want to love this but I just can’t |
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_MushiRock11_ said: When did she gave away her rank though?Now, that was an episode and a half! Incredible stuff, this is the episode of the year for me. Lena not only gave away her rank in the military but also a friendship away to fight with the 86, and boy in what fashion that was! "That's right, Officer Pensor". I am, and so are you." - Legit fire, this. Atmosphere with the rain and the stunning performance from the voice actors, peak quality. And that's how you blackmail |
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Yes, the map is pretty big so, you will be hit by massive spoiler. Please wait for episode 1 or 2 of the 2nd cour to avoid this spoiler. But if you still curious about the map, maybe I can crop the spoiler part and share the non-spoiler part for you. |
| This show is literally blowing my mind. It's actually astonishing the amount of high class symbolism and imagery. I've literally never seen an anime that utilize symbolism to such an extreme degree. Almost every shot is packed with incredible meaning, it's frankly beautiful I feel like a lot of it is going over the head of the usual seasonal watchers. It's sad to see how many people misunderstand this show. |
| So spearhead squandron is like “fuck this shit I’m out!” They’re lucky they got special treatment when all the other 86ers still have to serve under the republic. |
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Cattier said: BetaMaleUltra said: So spearhead squandron is like “fuck this shit I’m out!” They’re lucky they got special treatment when all the other 86ers still have to serve under the republic. No, more like they are sacrificing themselves. They are just following the orders and running to their deaths. Not runnning away for themselves Oh, I misunderstood, forgot the events of the previous episode. Was it explained why they would just send their soldiers to needlessly die? |
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Saygram said: On the other hand, another interesting fact, so if the brain was not damaged, the owner's mind is preserved. I just didn't get this T-1000 effect. When it comes to symbolism, it's over 9000, I hope it will be explained later how it works. The simple explaination is on volume 4 and 5 (so~ super spoiler), so you will need to wait for a pretty long time (probably never, if they decide to stop at 2nd season). |
Cattier said: BetaMaleUltra said: Oh, I misunderstood, forgot the events of the previous episode. Was it explained why they would just send their soldiers to needlessly die? Well for the whole story, we probably have to wake up for the next seasons as the story progresses but as far as it has been disclosed. It's the hate for 86, Racisim, Human experimentation and then getting rid of them. In fact this was the sole purpose of them sending them to the front lines and these guys at spearhead squadron were strong and difficult to die and survived long battles so they were given this mission to finally get rid of them and lena started crying when she realized that she might never see them again. Kinda messed up but that's how it is Ah I gotchu. I think I see where this is going, haven’t read the novels, but there’s a big reveal coming soon isn’t there. |
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Yuvensius said: Saygram said: On the other hand, another interesting fact, so if the brain was not damaged, the owner's mind is preserved. I just didn't get this T-1000 effect. When it comes to symbolism, it's over 9000, I hope it will be explained later how it works. The simple explaination is on volume 4 and 5 (so~ super spoiler), so you will need to wait for a pretty long time (probably never, if they decide to stop at 2nd season). Good to know. I have 7 volumes of LN, need to start reading already(^_^) cause waiting killing me. |
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| Did we watch the same show? theGodde said: so I kinda feel like Shin got a little too much attention and almost overshadowed the other 86. Well, he is the main character, he is the commander, and everyone knows his brother is the Shepherd. The entire squad knew this was personal for him, and they all knew they were going to die anyways. theGodde said: Meanwhile Lena comes back - and what was with those aerial mortars? I'm sure the LN explained it, but to us anime onlys it just happened. Is there some kind of satellite? or are they fired by the ranged artillery all the way from Alba territory? And if Lena is able to fire these mortars then why aren't other commanders using them? No, they are NOT allowed to use the mortars. It was definitely in the show. No Handler has permission to use them. Penrose had to assist in using them with her system. I'm assuming they don't use them because they just want annihilation of the squad. The mission was for them to die, not to be saved. theGodde said: Shin's brother was the driving force of this conflict - it was the connection that made us care whether they won the war Was it? The 86 knew they were gonna die period - but they all decided to keep fighting regardless. Their choice. theGodde said: I really hate this series and this episode did nothing to change that overall fact. Nice. |
littlemitsukiJun 6, 2021 1:12 AM
| Great episode, not my favorite and I wasn't as into it as I wished, but I admit the directing, animation, VA, and music were all absolutely phenomenal. Huge props to the staff for obviously putting so much care into adapting this LN. I'm a bit disappointed the fight was over so quickly - within half an episode - although that's just a personal nitpick. And I couldn't really emotionally connect with anything revolving around Shin and his brother, although re-watching the part with Shin recalling his love for his brother with his face unblurred with the "Avidity" music playing was great. Also neat symbolism with Shin ripping off his scarf from his neck. And Shin's creepy expressions at the beginning were on point lol. Lena blackmailing her ex-friend was pretty intense and showed some nice character development. The latter half was more bittersweet, it kind of felt like an episode finale. Just two more episodes left to go, I heard they're going to be mostly anime-original. Looking forward to seeing how the season will end! |
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| Man, never thought these episode can be so enjoyable like these. Brother mecha fight was awesome. I can't stop rewatching those part nonstop, until i lose my time hardly. And then, with the way Shin blew his brother into pieces, and then the ed theme song played. That's also fuckin sick yo, ngl. Farewell brother, farewell Mayor Milize? Ah, right, it isn't over for them. The girl pov again. Lena successfully launch a little reinforcement by sending those half deactivated fuse rounds to delay the whole Legion marches together with Shin's brother unit. Its surely slap him hard. Lena, confronted Annete with her combined knowledge about Shin (off screen work of her, unfortunately). Devil information always right at the right time, and proved to be effective as a device to helped Spearhead five units left, out of their misery. Good shit. But, the journey isn't end, yet. There's still a lot of Legion awaits them ahead to be destroyed, and its means, going forward until an unknown times, really be their fate. Goodbye, really be a good title on this episode. Well.... |
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aightbet said: Albi-kun said: Ah, yes. The classic "you're too stupid to understand it" shit. What if I told you that maybe it's not me who doesn't understand but it's you who have low standards?! Bruh I ain't gonna lie, especially after this episode. You looking hella stupid rn. You don't even have to like the anime to notice the directing on this episode was absolutely phenomenal. That doesn't make the story good. KneelBeforeMe said: Albi-kun said: LN popularity and production value is pretty much why this anime is as popular as it is. It's nothing special but it looks good and it's well directed. I dont find the story or characters that interesting whatsoever but the production makes it watchable for a seasonal anime.I really don't get the appeal. This is such an average show. Thank you! Finally someone who gets it! Mod edit: merged double post |
BarnaldJun 6, 2021 7:50 AM
Saygram said: Good to know. I have 7 volumes of LN, need to start reading already(^_^) cause waiting killing me. Well, considering the simple explaination is not on some omega level plot twist or some crazy revelation like that, you can keep a low expectation and just expect a simple, decent, and somewhat logical explaination though. |
Leonhart93 said: Albi-kun said: I really don't get the appeal. This is such an average show. AhriTheS3xyFox said: I honestly do not understand why people like this show KneelBeforeMe said: LN popularity and production value is pretty much why this anime is as popular as it is. It's nothing special but it looks good and it's well directed. I dont find the story or characters that interesting whatsoever but the production makes it watchable for a seasonal anime. I don't know how you guys watched this, but ever since the first episode I have been endlessly excited for every episode and every time it gets better and better. The characters, the action even Lena's tiny fidgety gestures while talking to them, all those always make me tingly for the next week. And when the time to finally watch the next episode comes, I try to delay it as much as possible because I don't like how it all just joes by in an instant 😳. And no, I haven't read the LN but I will definitely do it. I already got them on my kindle 😄. The characters are bland as hell. |
ArimaKana said: When did she gave away her rank though? Oh, I assumed she put her military rank in jeopardy by doing what she did to assist the 86 members. My bad, I should have made the statement more tentative. |
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superjordan2001 said: Albi-kun said: Ah, yes. The classic "you're too stupid to understand it" shit. What if I told you that maybe it's not me who doesn't understand but it's you who have low standards?! Just saying dude, you gave Naruto a 10 so uh yea. Naruto may not be perfect, but it's a 100 times better than this. |
LordSozin said: So this is the climax, huh. Pretty underwhelming I would say. I have no emotional attachment watching this series thus far. It's handling its themes lackluster since it's not fully explored. Unless this is your first time experiencing prejudices, race, politics, etc in anime, this anime is nothing special. There are better ones out there and they do a better job with these themes and they were more prevalent in the narrative. Overpraised? Yes. Bad? No. It's just average. That is spot on. I couldn't have said it better. zzshcl said: Albi-kun said: I really don't get the appeal. This is such an average show. The fact your comment is in the episode 9 discussion thread is hilarious If you do not like it, just don't watch it and do not say it aloud because no one cares, period. I'll watch it till the end and give it the rating it deserves. Mod edit: merged double post |
BarnaldJun 6, 2021 7:50 AM
| Oh boy this show delivers. The fight, the tension, the evil Lena, it is not even 10/10 at this point, it is 11 if not 12/10. If that episode didn't advertise the source enough - I doubt there can be anything that changes the mind of that person. |
Neion4ty7 said: bro just stop, you make yourself sound stupider each time you comment. Its making me feel sad for you. I mean, you gave Shield Hero a 9, so I'm not taking that from you. |
| I just finished watching the episode. I'm at loss for words. Really what a chilling yet beautiful and sad episode. Just how can the production get better by episode? Every week I think it can't get any better, it proves me wrong. What a commendable job! Loved every single detail about this episode and enjoyed every second. The Sawano track at the end... I need to applaud that man for creating masterpiece after masterpiece. I cannot wait for the OSTs to come out. I can't even put my thoughts into words to describe how much I loved this episode. It exceeded all of my expectations and more. I hope this gets more attention and popularity in the future because it deserves it. New Lena is my favorite Lena. Last week I was thinking about how if Annette knew that Shin is her childhood friend that got sent to 86, she would break and that really happened sooner than I thought. The trauma was strong in this episode. I don't expect much to happen in the remaining two episodes, but I'm really looking forward to the next season. |
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Albi-kun said: aightbet said: Bruh I ain't gonna lie, especially after this episode. You looking hella stupid rn. You don't even have to like the anime to notice the directing on this episode was absolutely phenomenal. That doesn't make the story good. Liking a story is of course subjective. Just like I find your rating of Naruto being a 10/10 quite funny, I still respect it if that's the type of show you enjoy. I believe this show has explored the theme of forced conscription within a lens of a somewhat WWII type racism to be very well done and explored. The character development of Lena especially in the past 9 episodes was absolutely beautiful and breathtaking. Lena went from a character I was not too fond of in the beginning few episodes to progressively becoming my most loved character in the space of 9, wonderfully directed and presented episodes. The pacing of this story was one of my highlights of this show as well as how engaging it felt to see both alternating perspectives of the lives of Lena and the 86. That being said, it is not my call to make you like a certain show if you do not like it. However, unlike you I do not barrage episode discussions by repeating the same rhetoric over and over in hopes to make other people not like this show. You may discuss your displeasure once, you may discuss it twice, maybe even three times. But continuously arguing with people who actually like the show or bringing this dead topic back to life over and over again is childish. Let people like what they like, you don't have to propagate your hatred to others, you only make yourself look like a troll. |
GGcc78 said: Inferno792 said: They did show the map on her screen. You see the squadron moving into a red colored zone while shes chasing after them. Once they enter it it says signal lost. Yeah, just read about that and that running scene was an anime only. Honestly would've preferred a more grounded reaction from her (which I assume was in the novel?) and the impact would've been much higher. Instead they opted to make it a lot more dramatic when it didn't need to be. Also think that they could've done a better job explaining the geography of the area so we'd understand why they'd lose connection as there seem to be a fair amount of people confused by it. Perhaps it was explained better in the novel, but it could've been better maybe showing us a map on Lena's screen as the 86 were making their camping plans just to make it easier to follow. For something that's had such good direction overall, that scene was fairly confusing. I don't mean that, rather something that would've shown their location with respect to the Republic/where Lena was so it would be clearer. |
| Great action, it 's really cool but I still do not find the story and most of the character (especially the Spearhead squadron) interesting |
| Amazing episode especially the battle between Shin and his brother in the first half. And the OST on that battle was spot on. The 2nd half was also great, Lena transformation from an angel to a devil forcing Annette to help her. "We're going ahead, Major". That was painful... We are now down to the last two episodes of the 1st cour. |
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Neion4ty7 said: theGodde said: so because he's the main character all other characters can be ignored? The brother conflict probably took up about 1/3 of the runtime. There was still plenty of time to give the other characters some kind of development - even if it wasn't relation to Shin. that is not at all the point. There has not been a single mention (ever) of the mortars being used in combat. There is no excuse why a nation would ban the use of effective weaponry during wartime. NOT A SINGLE EXCUSE. This is pure incompetence, and there is nothing wrong with admitting that. Even a dumbass can admit their favourite show is not perfect in every way. the fact that they were sent to the front to die wasn't something we initially knew. All the development has been focused towards Shin's relationship with his brother. The desire to keep living is a motivation, but it is not a driving force. A driving force is a particular motivation or plot point that gives the show a direction or goal to lead up to. Shin's relationship with his brother climaxed in their final confrontation. That is what made it a driving force. Wanting to survive is not a driving force because it has no real direction that it is leading up to. It's just a motivation. A show without a driving force loses steam and tends to become directionless and boring. However there are plenty of potential driving forces that they could choose to progress the story in future episodes. Which is why I said they will probably address this next episode. I like how you snipped out the bit where I said I liked the episode to frame the entire rebuttal and make it seem as if I illogically hated on the show for no reason. (tbf that may not have been your intention but that's how it reads). Almost every single episode I have critiqued this show. You can go back and check previous episode forums. I do not hate this show because it feels bad. I hate this show because I believe many key elements that make up the show's identity are fundamentally flawed. Note to anyone who enjoyed this show: A CODE GEASS OVA WAS RELEASED YEARLY SINCE 2012 CALLED BOUKOKO NO AKITO (AKITO THE EXILED) WHICH COVERS ALL THE KEY ASPECTS OF THIS SHOW INCLUDING: SECONDARY CITIZENS BEING RACIALLY PERSECUTED, MECHS THAT LOOK LIKE SPIDERS AND A FEMALE LEADER WHO COMMANDS A TALENTED MALE ACE. fyi, the LN for 86 started releasing around 2017-2018, just a year after the final OVA was released. So this concept isn't even original. It seems to me that it was directly borrowed off Akito the Exiled since nobody except me and a few other Code Geass devotees actually watched the show (go watch it, it's 100x better than 86). After watching Akito the Exiled, 86 feels like a cheap knockoff. Artillery is behind the minefield. It was shown in the anime while she was talking to her uncle with a diagram as well. They don't use it cause it would literally slow their whole goal of having the 86 die out within 2 years before the legion turn off, arty and minefield are for just in case they die out before the time, and to deter any 86 insurrection. Akito the exile really wasn't better, especially not "100x". it literally has the same "problem" of focusing so much on akito more so than his squadron members that they arent really fleshed out ironically with a much more autistic brother plot but this time without the advantage of a long runtime to flesh characters out later like 86 gets as a LN (though as an anime it has a longer runtime). You and your code geass fanbois really aren't the only people noticing similarities between it and akito and im pretty sure asato herself even mentioned enjoying the show. I don't think i even saw anyone claim that its a completely original setting I commend your attempts to engage with these guys but they are clearly trolling. The only other explanation is they have such poor comprehension skills that you will literally need to go through every episode with diagrams before they get how we got to here from there. Do you want to give that much of your time to someone who is clearly just a hater. |
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| Amazing episode this week. Seeing Lena do that to Annette was one of the most satisfying things I've seen. The wait for season 2 is going to be unbearable. |
| Shin and Rei scene was really heartbreaking but beautiful at the same time. So Lena still joined Annette again but appeared to be harsher than I thought, Shin was really indeed Annette's childhood friend and she abandoned him twice.. and that last scene with Lena running in the street was also incredible, especially thanks to the OST, that "no signal" frame at the end though... they're back to their initial conditions |
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| wow, this easily the best episode so far. i feel as though episode were so short because of how i enjoyed it. This episode clearly mark the moment where Lena doing everything she could do to help them. Risking her own life to sync real-time tactical info using PARA-RAID eye sight sync, risking her own career by doing what the military forbids, and forcing annete to do her bidding i thought last episode will do the over-used trope of "my friend and your acquaintance are same, but we dont know that" for a long time, which many shows used for prolonged drama. but SURPRISE, SURPRISE! Lena actually found out about Shin being annete friend herself, and rather quickly. not only that, she used it as leverage to Annete to help her ensure (remaning) Spearhead squadron safety by any means necessary, for that short time. talk about the devil, because if annete didnt help , she will be wrecked by even stronger guilt. knowing this time the boy he knew will be dead for good if she didnt help. Anyone know what red flower is that? and what it signifies ?? |
| How should I say as novel reader, the combat part somehow not matching my imagination. It ended too fast. Thought there would be more trading between Shin and his brother, showing those liquid hands more actions or alike. The ending scene on second half is what takes too long imo. All those chatters watching Lena running around (3 minutes) can be cut around while also showing some credits perhaps so the ending scene of bird flying can be also shorter. Thus giving more time space for the combat scene and talk between Lena and Annette. |
Albi-kun said: Leonhart93 said: I don't know how you guys watched this, but ever since the first episode I have been endlessly excited for every episode and every time it gets better and better. The characters, the action even Lena's tiny fidgety gestures while talking to them, all those always make me tingly for the next week. And when the time to finally watch the next episode comes, I try to delay it as much as possible because I don't like how it all just joes by in an instant 😳. And no, I haven't read the LN but I will definitely do it. I already got them on my kindle 😄. The characters are bland as hell. I think I know where your mind is going. I have seen someone on this very forum pointing the exact thing out for another episode, but basically there seems to be a group of anime watchers that don't view characters as "interesting" if their personality is not exaggerated in various ways, like giving big speeches about stuff like friendship or how they don't want to be oppressed or burst out in anger or joy at the very simplest stimulus. Or perhaps if they are not the extremely cold types that always pay back 120% of what the others have done to them. Those are not the only interesting types of people. In fact those are so overdone they don't excite me anymore. Look around you, there are plenty of very interesting people that don't have immense outbursts of reaction all the time. |
| This was the best episode of the series so far precisely because the episodes before were boring and uninteresting(To me), and this episode was the same for the most part but is just a slight improvement. It's probably just because I am not that much interested in shows that tackles "heavy" political themes, so it tends to be hit or miss for me. |
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| Never trust the quite ones, love shin going ape shit. Also what's the name of the song during shin crying? |
caprisanJun 6, 2021 5:56 AM
 just wanna feel wanted by someone other than the police 😫 |
| Re-watched it 5 times really, still feeling amazing by how godly everything in this episode. |
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Wdtm86 said: Re-watched it 5 times really, still feeling amazing by how godly everything in this episode. Yup, you get it, I did the same 😉 |
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