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May 24, 2021 11:53 PM
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zDoug said:
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They even showed it in ep, 4 during flashback, wet hand.

I don't remember having shown all that information during the flashback. Where did you see that?


No, I know this information cause I read LN,

May 24, 2021 11:55 PM
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This episode really highlighted just how much Sayu values her time with Yoshida. To me, it also kind of seemed like Sayu started making moves on Yoshida during the summer festival, though I really hope no romance blooms between the two.
May 25, 2021 12:44 AM

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ZeppeliGo said:
zDoug said:

I don't remember having shown all that information during the flashback. Where did you see that?


No, I know this information cause I read LN,



I thought it was a possible pregnancy.
Can you tell me in which chapter of LN this is more explained?
May 25, 2021 1:04 AM
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zDoug said:
ZeppeliGo said:


No, I know this information cause I read LN,



I thought it was a possible pregnancy.
Can you tell me in which chapter of LN this is more explained?

Of course not pregnancy lol, she was doing it with condom (they even show it at the beginning of ep.3) and would be kinda tard to do it without, since she was doing it just for a roof over her head, and of course no one shoot in her ahaha.
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May 25, 2021 1:24 AM

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This episode compromised everything built up to this point. Yoshida was supposed to be a father figure to Sayu and was adamant about seeing her as a child that needs someone to straighten it up, but putting a yukata on her was enough to do a complete 180 on it and start seeing her as an irreplaceable love interest. I'm not sure what I'm more, disappointed or disturbed. It's only episode 8, I don't want to even think how much worse it can get now.
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May 25, 2021 1:28 AM
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Antanaru said:
This episode compromised everything built up to this point. Yoshida was supposed to be a father figure to Sayu and was adamant about seeing her as a child that needs someone to straighten it up, but putting a yukata on her was enough to do a complete 180 on it and start seeing her as an irreplaceable love interest. I'm not sure what I'm more, disappointed or disturbed. It's only episode 8, I don't want to even think how much worse it can get now.

In LN is not like that, I think they did it in this way just to make it cooler to see, and of course it makes a contrast of what Yoshida always said.. but I think he still think this, we have to wait volume 5 of LN or the last episodes to see if this will become trash or what..
May 25, 2021 1:53 AM

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They were found-out! lolz more drama incoming!
poor Yuzuha she just cried there...poor her.
4/5.


May 25, 2021 2:53 AM

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Why are we still here... Just to suffer.


This episode was incredible, increased the score from 7 to 8, it was so intense, also, feelsbadman about Mishima, looks like she won't win in the end. I have really high expectations for the next episode, this is about to get really intersting.
 



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May 25, 2021 3:02 AM

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Great episode :)
I think now Yoshida will go out with Gotou, some time skip and then when Sayu finished school they will get back together.

That entrance to mall where Sayu met with Yuzuha looked like the rest area on the roof of one of the malls I were in Osaka. Probably it was not.

That festival stall with tori gate in the background with stairs looked like Ueno festival place near the pond. Probably it was not.
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May 25, 2021 3:28 AM
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Yoshida's relationship is way beyond what i imagined but i'm enjoying the rhythm that is happening the important moments are serious, but this brother of sayu really It seems to know a lot of something from the Sayu family.
May 25, 2021 3:28 AM

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This scene>.<(๑♡⌓♡๑)

Next episode : "PAST" We gotta finally witness it(♡ω♡ ) ~♪

This episode : 8/10
May 25, 2021 3:34 AM
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As Mishmina is stalking Yoshida - did she tell Sayu's brother where they lived after being hard-dumped at the Karaoke bar or did he get her address from the manager of the store, as he said he'd return when the manager was in. (end of Ep.7).

Could Mishmina be playing the dirty - get rid of Sayu and then seduce Yoshida while he's feeling low as she knows Gotou will just wait until she feels the time is right....

I wish Vol 4 was translated and Vol 5 (the final volume) isn't out until next week.


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penrhos said:
As Mishmina is stalking Yoshida - did she tell Sayu's brother where they lived after being hard-dumped at the Karaoke bar or did he get her address from the manager of the store, as he said he'd return when the manager was in. (end of Ep.7).

Could Mishmina be playing the dirty - get rid of Sayu and then seduce Yoshida while he's feeling low as she knows Gotou will just wait until she feels the time is right....

I wish Vol 4 was translated and Vol 5 (the final volume) isn't out until next week.




May 25, 2021 5:09 AM

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stupid girl named sayu , selling her body to ugly man i dunno how many guy did she sleeping with , her family is rich but decided to sell her body to lived at stranger house LOL
May 25, 2021 5:44 AM

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I get what the author was trying to do with the emotional build up just before Big Brother pitches up to take Sayu home but...

That really tossed Yoshida's principles straight in the trash can.

And what was with the dumb ass flash backs of his "empty" life before she turned up. That doesn't show he needs HER, it just shows how pathetic he is on his own. Go back to your mommy if you need to be looked after !!

I understand Gotou's intuition now, to an independent mature woman I bet Yoshida must emanate "mummy me" vibes

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May 25, 2021 6:14 AM

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I teared up when Yoshida mused during the fireworks how his life would have been stagnant if Sayu hasn’t appeared in his life & then thought for a moment that she actually disappeared. How much a person can have an impact on your life. They both have changed each other’s lives. Not sure about the romantic vibes tho.......didn’t like that lol

But when Sayu asked him if she should go home, I’d half-expected him to say something along the lines of whatever makes her happy. When he said that yes, he thinks she should go home, man........this man has all my respect.







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May 25, 2021 6:25 AM

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Great episode! Mishima is always speaking facts, yeah it might sound mean, but someone needs to say these mean things. Feel really bad for her when she cried, but we knew she never had a chance, it was either Gotou and Sayu and it looks like it's leaning heavily to Sayu right now.

The ost was fantastic when Sayu and Yoshida were talking after the fireworks. Especially when Yoshida said "you should go home." and then the song just exploded lmao, that was great. That whole summer festival though was foreshadowing that Sayu was gonna go home, though I didn't expect Sayu's brother to literally knock on their door, I thought she was just gonna disappear suddenly. Really looking forward to the next episode, we are finally getting Sayu's backstory.
May 25, 2021 7:48 AM
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I just hope Yoshida doesn't his job for housing jailbait Sayu.
May 25, 2021 7:57 AM

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Decent episode but felt rushed sadly, I feel like they trying to squeeze in as much as they can from the important scenes.

Sayu looking great in that Yukata.
May 25, 2021 7:58 AM

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So there should be no conflict, right? Brother searches all over Japan and finally finds his underage runaway sister who has been living with a strange adult man. The family discusses the traumatic events Sayu has gone through while away and they all reconcile for an emotionally heartwarming finale. That's the happy ending right?
May 25, 2021 8:03 AM

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Yoshida has never been interested in Sayu's home situation and her reasons to leave home. Never even tried to talk to her about it. Now, still knowing nothing, he says to Sayu "ok, go home". Yoshida treats Sayu like a nice pet rather than a human being who has problems to be solved.
May 25, 2021 8:25 AM
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These episode really hilarious.

First, Yuzuha kinda like getting crushed under a ton of rocks seeing them like a pair of sweet couple, in her pov for sure. I doubt that, but i can see why she felt like that. Because its always be like that, you silly. As a result, idk why, but i suddenly laugh in her suffering after those kind of situation. I mean, you just bring a hand to helped her. So why feel regret about that, its make me shake my head and laugh. Poor woman obviously, tho, its still amusing, ngl.

Its not only that. The way, they somehow used the summer festival to depicted the change of Yoshida expression toward the fuckin beautiful Sayu. Its hilarious. Its getting intensed, more than previous teaser. This is the result of all the previous speech and advices from some of the characters, that may come to its fruition. Both person just needed to add the honest words. However, as expected, really, they both still hold it out, until, well, the final chapter releasing for the real.

As how its end with a finest way of finisher. The dude really succeeded to track down Yoshida residence, which is a bad news for them. But a good news for me. Lets fuckin clear her past story!
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May 25, 2021 10:50 AM

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So Sayu had someone following her in the first half episode then suddenly they go out in the freaking festival casually? LMAOOOOOOOOO
May 25, 2021 11:31 AM

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FBI OPEN UP!! also, stop porking my sister.

Yoshida thinking: Damn, should have asked her to be my waifu....
May 25, 2021 12:04 PM
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ZzzZzzzZzzZz the romance plot is so boring, at least next ep seems to be focused on Sayu's past so it should be at least more interesting, even though I dislike her
May 25, 2021 12:17 PM

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Ouh man I’m so much done with shit-talking on Yuzuha getting hyper/loud/noisy..... Those last moments at firework had me in too many thoughts but at last I only have a very big tccccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
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May 25, 2021 1:42 PM

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sayu looked so damn cute in the yukata aaaaa also damn my stomach started hurting when her brother knocked on the door i'm still not ready to unveil her trauma
May 25, 2021 1:48 PM
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now we're going to get into the meat and potatoes of the plot here
May 25, 2021 2:11 PM

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What a let down, was hoping yoshida would confess or some shit. What a boner killer. But damn grown up mami needs to get over dat guy and move on lol.

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I think I might be the only one who laughed at Mishima crying. I found it funny how she get's all in Yoshida's business for no reason and we're supposed to feel sorry for her? She's jealous of a 17 year old.
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The festival was nice. Good development for Sayu and Yoshida.
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May 25, 2021 5:10 PM
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borderliner said:

I get what the author was trying to do with the emotional build up just before Big Brother pitches up to take Sayu home but...

That really tossed Yoshida's principles straight in the trash can.

And what was with the dumb ass flash backs of his "empty" life before she turned up. That doesn't show he needs HER, it just shows how pathetic he is on his own. Go back to your mommy if you need to be looked after !!

I understand Gotou's intuition now, to an independent mature woman I bet Yoshida must emanate "mummy me" vibes



Yes, the character they cut out, his ex girlfriend, said that he was clingy, he even mentioned it in the last episode.

Regardless of what I think about Mishima, Yoshida is totally clueless with her and can't even exchange numbers with an adult. And his behaviour with Gotou has been pretty pathetic as well.

It seems that he feels most comfortable with a needy 17 year old, where he can dictate what is right or not in the world and she will go along with everything he says. Really starting to wonder about him, particularly as he has been shown to be so clueless with other people. I agree, they have made him look extremely weak and quite pathetic.

And it hasn't taken him long to prove that Gotou was right to keep her defences up around him. What he says from week to week clearly doesn't mean anything. And the time that he liked her, when Sayu wasn't there, look at how he viewed that flashback. He was just pining for her because he was lonely and doesn't know how to socialise with people.
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This was the worst route that it could have gone down. They went against what I hoped and teased a romantic relationship between Sayu and Yoshida, only to not go for it at that point and follow through. I hate it when an anime tries to play both sides. Pick a lane and own it.

This episode was so on the nose about pushing those two together too that I probably rolled my eyes at least 5 times while watching.

We’ll see what happens next now that her brother found them, but I doubt it is going to redeem this anime.
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borderliner said:

I get what the author was trying to do with the emotional build up just before Big Brother pitches up to take Sayu home but...

That really tossed Yoshida's principles straight in the trash can.

And what was with the dumb ass flash backs of his "empty" life before she turned up. That doesn't show he needs HER, it just shows how pathetic he is on his own. Go back to your mommy if you need to be looked after !!

I understand Gotou's intuition now, to an independent mature woman I bet Yoshida must emanate "mummy me" vibes


Damn bruh, you explained it perfectly
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this shit has turned pretty wack dude is out here blushing like a child now

even with the jabait it still seems hes totally not being honest and has grown co dependent and is falling for her which is a shame
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Gab5 said:
borderliner said:

I get what the author was trying to do with the emotional build up just before Big Brother pitches up to take Sayu home but...

That really tossed Yoshida's principles straight in the trash can.

And what was with the dumb ass flash backs of his "empty" life before she turned up. That doesn't show he needs HER, it just shows how pathetic he is on his own. Go back to your mommy if you need to be looked after !!

I understand Gotou's intuition now, to an independent mature woman I bet Yoshida must emanate "mummy me" vibes



Yes, the character they cut out, his ex girlfriend, said that he was clingy, he even mentioned it in the last episode.

Regardless of what I think about Mishima, Yoshida is totally clueless with her and can't even exchange numbers with an adult. And his behaviour with Gotou has been pretty pathetic as well.

It seems that he feels most comfortable with a needy 17 year old, where he can dictate what is right or not in the world and she will go along with everything he says. Really starting to wonder about him, particularly as he has been shown to be so clueless with other people. I agree, they have made him look extremely weak and quite pathetic.

And it hasn't taken him long to prove that Gotou was right to keep her defences up around him. What he says from week to week clearly doesn't mean anything. And the time that he liked her, when Sayu wasn't there, look at how he viewed that flashback. He was just pining for her because he was lonely and doesn't know how to socialise with people.


So, I'm in agreement with you both, but I had to mull it over for an extra day because I couldn't pinpoint what bothered me so much, in addition to the hamfisted, cliche moments and dialogue that a lot of us already discussed. Over Yoshida suddenly re-re-realizing that Sayu is pretty? Pretty lame way to forget your supposed principles. I mean, we all are expecting a certain outcome, but... "not like this... not like this." You know what I'm becoming incresingly convinced of, though? And I expect some pushback for this, but... no, no it needs to be said.

Mishima is useless. I know she's some people's favorite, but story-wise the plot (no not that that plot, the actual plot... well, we're talking about Gotou so I guess both plots) would have been better served by replacing Mishima with Gotou at the karaoke joint, and by having Gotou there at the festival as well. The only function Mishima serves is to be the "go for it" viewpoint which is completely nullified by the fact that she has zero shot so who cares. The story never needed Mishima, or her waste of screen time, it needed more Gotou, a far more interesting and integral character. I'm glad the anime did snip Yoshida's ex as well - it didn't need her, either.

And for the Gotou-haters out there, I'm not saying she should have been given more screen time to be an obstacle, but Sayu would legitimately have a lot to learn from her: primarily, the way adult women with their shit together carry themselves. The intangibles that make them alluring over their comparatively awkward younger rivals. There's so many things the story could explore as Sayu, who should feel like she should be on the inside track since she and Yoshida are already living together, still can't quite seem to identify and clear the most important hurdle which is her own immaturity.

Instead we get this herp derp she's hot in a yukata business. It would be fine in a different story, but because this anime started out as something so much more, this left me really disappointed. Again, we all expected the MCs to seriously contemplate their feelings for each other but this was just such a hackneyed way to do it.

I'm going to try to continue to enjoy this anime for what it is, but this episode makes me fearful that it will be added to my "great premise, promising start, flops on the execution midway" list.
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May 26, 2021 12:45 AM
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I have to things fo say about this episode.

The first thing Is that while I feel this episode did a good job at showing the psychological effects of the situation yoshida is in. I also feel like it's kind of a 180 for his character to be psychologically dependent on sayu at this point. But it kind of makes sense if this show only gets one season witch at this point looks like it might be the case.

The second thing is whoever animated that fireworks scene deserves and promotion and a raise. They were gorgeous especially the scene where one reflected off the water. I just hope the show didn't blow its animation budget.

All in all I enjoyed this episode even though the show is leaning more towards a harem ending then a slice of life one.
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Mishima is useless. I know she's some people's favorite, but story-wise the plot (no not that that plot, the actual plot... well, we're talking about Gotou so I guess both plots) would have been better served by replacing Mishima with Gotou at the karaoke joint, and by having Gotou there at the festival as well. The only function Mishima serves is to be the "go for it" viewpoint which is completely nullified by the fact that she has zero shot so who cares. The story never needed Mishima, or her waste of screen time, it needed more Gotou, a far more interesting and integral character. I'm glad the anime did snip Yoshida's ex as well - it didn't need her, either.

And for the Gotou-haters out there, I'm not saying she should have been given more screen time to be an obstacle, but Sayu would legitimately have a lot to learn from her: primarily, the way adult women with their shit together carry themselves. The intangibles that make them alluring over their comparatively awkward younger rivals. There's so many things the story could explore as Sayu, who should feel like she should be on the inside track since she and Yoshida are already living together, still can't quite seem to identify and clear the most important hurdle which is her own immaturity.

I think Gotou was absent so much because they didn't have any idea how to explain Yoshida turning from purely protective Sayu's parent/Onii-san that is also in promised relationship with kind, mature and beautiful woman in his exact type he crushed on for years, to lovestruck guy that can't imagine going back to empty home, because if she appeared more, viewers would remember that even if Yoshida will miss Sayu he will soon be able to cry himself to sleep on Gotou's wonderful pillows and wake up all better.

I agree with Mishima that Gotou has right to and should be inserting herself more in Sayu and Yoshida's life, except not for Mishima's harem race for first place nonsense, but a) because Yoshida *is* criminal after all and even if she decided to trust him after checking out the situation, she keep checking if he doesn't do something dumb in result of e.g. falling in love in his ward and b) as an adult that is also 1)fellow woman and 2)not her crush she can talk with Sayu about stuff Sayu may not be able to talk with Yoshida. Just because Yoshida is the one that let's Sayu live with him doesn't mean other adults that know her situation don't have a responsibility to care for her future and wellbeing.
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Felt bad for Mishima but oh well. Yoshida realising his feelings for Sayu? And ofc her brother comes to take her right at that moment.
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Yes, the character they cut out, his ex girlfriend, said that he was clingy, he even mentioned it in the last episode.

Regardless of what I think about Mishima, Yoshida is totally clueless with her and can't even exchange numbers with an adult. And his behaviour with Gotou has been pretty pathetic as well.

It seems that he feels most comfortable with a needy 17 year old, where he can dictate what is right or not in the world and she will go along with everything he says. Really starting to wonder about him, particularly as he has been shown to be so clueless with other people. I agree, they have made him look extremely weak and quite pathetic.

And it hasn't taken him long to prove that Gotou was right to keep her defences up around him. What he says from week to week clearly doesn't mean anything. And the time that he liked her, when Sayu wasn't there, look at how he viewed that flashback. He was just pining for her because he was lonely and doesn't know how to socialise with people.


So, I'm in agreement with you both, but I had to mull it over for an extra day because I couldn't pinpoint what bothered me so much, in addition to the hamfisted, cliche moments and dialogue that a lot of us already discussed. Over Yoshida suddenly re-re-realizing that Sayu is pretty? Pretty lame way to forget your supposed principles. I mean, we all are expecting a certain outcome, but... "not like this... not like this." You know what I'm becoming incresingly convinced of, though? And I expect some pushback for this, but... no, no it needs to be said.

Mishima is useless. I know she's some people's favorite, but story-wise the plot (no not that that plot, the actual plot... well, we're talking about Gotou so I guess both plots) would have been better served by replacing Mishima with Gotou at the karaoke joint, and by having Gotou there at the festival as well. The only function Mishima serves is to be the "go for it" viewpoint which is completely nullified by the fact that she has zero shot so who cares. The story never needed Mishima, or her waste of screen time, it needed more Gotou, a far more interesting and integral character. I'm glad the anime did snip Yoshida's ex as well - it didn't need her, either.

And for the Gotou-haters out there, I'm not saying she should have been given more screen time to be an obstacle, but Sayu would legitimately have a lot to learn from her: primarily, the way adult women with their shit together carry themselves. The intangibles that make them alluring over their comparatively awkward younger rivals. There's so many things the story could explore as Sayu, who should feel like she should be on the inside track since she and Yoshida are already living together, still can't quite seem to identify and clear the most important hurdle which is her own immaturity.

Instead we get this herp derp she's hot in a yukata business. It would be fine in a different story, but because this anime started out as something so much more, this left me really disappointed. Again, we all expected the MCs to seriously contemplate their feelings for each other but this was just such a hackneyed way to do it.

I'm going to try to continue to enjoy this anime for what it is, but this episode makes me fearful that it will be added to my "great premise, promising start, flops on the execution midway" list.


Spot on, yet again. Hackneyed is a perfect way of putting it. Seeing her in a Yukata made him forget all his principles to the point that Sayu is even noticing it. And she's disappointed when he tells her to go home because she suspects she is lying. I think I will buy Yukatas for all my ex girlfriends that I'm still friends with and see if that changes anything.

And when he says that she is pretty, she responds 'prettier than Gotou?', which, of course, deaf Yoshida doesn't hear. It is surprising that they even remember who Gotou is, considering that we haven't seen her for ages and Mishima has been the one in their face the whole time and they completely ignored her. The other thing that bothered me about that scene is that Sayu has never really given up trying to seduce Yoshida but he is too dense to even see it. When did they go from living together in a platonic way to being able to hold hands and not feel awkward about it? Sayu needed to go through the experience of being happy with herself and happy to be alone. This has never happened. She has just exchanged making deals with random guys in exchange for a place to stay with now becoming romantically entangled with the best of the guys that she met. Hardly show development in her thinking.

First episode, Yoshida had a strong aversion to even considering Sayu in this way, and he was getting drunk while complaining about Gotou and how she had rejected him. He doesn't seem to care now. Didn't take long. Which says that Gotou was right all along.

As for Sayu learning from Gotou, which she should want to, she doesn't seem to care about learning lesson from successful women, even Mishima, she only seems to want to learn from Yoshida. Which is odd, because she clearly sees Gotou as the main rival and yet hasn't tried to understand what someone like Yoshida saw in her. Although, at this point, it is becoming more and more hard believe that Yoshida ever liked Gotou that much anyway. I'm surprised that Sayu hasn't recognised that she is more important to him than Gotou. But, then, it turns out that she is from a wealthy family, so maybe she is a bit spoilt? A few people have become entangled in her situation but the only one she really seems to care about is Yoshida, and maybe Asami.

His flashback of feeling lonely was during the time he was lusting after Gotou, so I assume that he wasn't actually making that much effort because Gotou wasn't presented to him on a plate and willing to do everything for him. It seems as if he was looking for a housewife and didn't really look at other people at all. His dense behaviour with Mishima makes it seem that he doesn't really think about what the other person is doing or thinking and why.
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Phantasy_Starved said:
Gab5 said:


Yes, the character they cut out, his ex girlfriend, said that he was clingy, he even mentioned it in the last episode.

Regardless of what I think about Mishima, Yoshida is totally clueless with her and can't even exchange numbers with an adult. And his behaviour with Gotou has been pretty pathetic as well.

It seems that he feels most comfortable with a needy 17 year old, where he can dictate what is right or not in the world and she will go along with everything he says. Really starting to wonder about him, particularly as he has been shown to be so clueless with other people. I agree, they have made him look extremely weak and quite pathetic.

And it hasn't taken him long to prove that Gotou was right to keep her defences up around him. What he says from week to week clearly doesn't mean anything. And the time that he liked her, when Sayu wasn't there, look at how he viewed that flashback. He was just pining for her because he was lonely and doesn't know how to socialise with people.


So, I'm in agreement with you both, but I had to mull it over for an extra day because I couldn't pinpoint what bothered me so much, in addition to the hamfisted, cliche moments and dialogue that a lot of us already discussed. Over Yoshida suddenly re-re-realizing that Sayu is pretty? Pretty lame way to forget your supposed principles. I mean, we all are expecting a certain outcome, but... "not like this... not like this." You know what I'm becoming incresingly convinced of, though? And I expect some pushback for this, but... no, no it needs to be said.

Mishima is useless. I know she's some people's favorite, but story-wise the plot (no not that that plot, the actual plot... well, we're talking about Gotou so I guess both plots) would have been better served by replacing Mishima with Gotou at the karaoke joint, and by having Gotou there at the festival as well. The only function Mishima serves is to be the "go for it" viewpoint which is completely nullified by the fact that she has zero shot so who cares. The story never needed Mishima, or her waste of screen time, it needed more Gotou, a far more interesting and integral character. I'm glad the anime did snip Yoshida's ex as well - it didn't need her, either.

And for the Gotou-haters out there, I'm not saying she should have been given more screen time to be an obstacle, but Sayu would legitimately have a lot to learn from her: primarily, the way adult women with their shit together carry themselves. The intangibles that make them alluring over their comparatively awkward younger rivals. There's so many things the story could explore as Sayu, who should feel like she should be on the inside track since she and Yoshida are already living together, still can't quite seem to identify and clear the most important hurdle which is her own immaturity.

Instead we get this herp derp she's hot in a yukata business. It would be fine in a different story, but because this anime started out as something so much more, this left me really disappointed. Again, we all expected the MCs to seriously contemplate their feelings for each other but this was just such a hackneyed way to do it.

I'm going to try to continue to enjoy this anime for what it is, but this episode makes me fearful that it will be added to my "great premise, promising start, flops on the execution midway" list.


About Gotou being absent for so long, i'm convinced at this point that this is just another one of those cheap tactics authors use in harem/romance to remove the competition by giving the main girl all the screentime and development and justify the MC choosing her. Gotou had like 5 minutes of screentime in the last 3 episodes, she probably won't appear in the next one either and it's a shame because there are plenty of scene she could fit in but the author is biased. Side characters tend to be forgotten as the series progresses and it sucks because they often tend to be more interesting and compelling.

About Yoshida, i liked him till around ep. 5 but now i'm not sure. His constant blushing like a kid at the festival, indecisiveness and how he fell for Sayu rubs be me wrong way. It's very forced when most of their interactions have been about him lecturing her and Sayu just doing the chores and trying to improve herself slowly. There is no romantic development or chemistry whatsoever, just cliche accidents between them. It seems like you could replace Sayu with any random attractive and vulnerable girl and Yoshida would fall for her because of the codependency, how she keeps him company and cooks/cleans. He has completely forgotten about Gotou's existence too who could fill the emotional void. So much for his love for 5 years, did he ever like Gotou for anything other than her body in the first place?

Lastly, i want to mention how all his colleagues have warned Yoshida about the potential romance, he denies it, swears it won't go that direction, but the funny thing is that it's been 2-3 months and he has done absolutely nothing to try solving the situation. Even asking about her family or any useful information, i would understand avoiding the topic on the first few weeks but it's been months and it doesn't seem to bother him in the slightest that he is doing something illegal for so long. And now he's suddenly like "You should go home", you don't say! I understand he is used to her being around to the point of ignoring his original purpose, but still it's weird...The shows is starting to go downhill real fast,even more so with the faster pacing. From the start i saw it being another cliche and predictable love story between the MC's, but Yoshida's refreshing character gave me some small hope that it won't go the obvious route, but now it feels like such wasted potential.
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That's 2 episodes in a row where nothing happens and Sayu just kinda talks with people for 20 mins.. Like how can this show go from fan service boobs in your face and r*pe for 3 episodes to lukewarm blushy romance as if a completely different show?
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I'm my opinion this episode just seemed a bit weird compared to the other episodes? it just seemed very different and I don't think it was as good as the other eps. But regardless I really am happy that sayu's brother found her, I hope that there aren't any problems with yoshida though. even though this episode was different, it wasn't necessarily less enjoyable, it just seemed odd compared to the first 7 episodes, however this was the first episode that made me excited for the next one!
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Kakuja21 said:

About Gotou being absent for so long, i'm convinced at this point that this is just another one of those cheap tactics authors use in harem/romance to remove the competition by giving the main girl all the screentime and development and justify the MC choosing her. Gotou had like 5 minutes of screentime in the last 3 episodes, she probably won't appear in the next one either and it's a shame because there are plenty of scene she could fit in but the author is biased. Side characters tend to be forgotten as the series progresses and it sucks because they often tend to be more interesting and compelling.

About Yoshida, i liked him till around ep. 5 but now i'm not sure. His constant blushing like a kid at the festival, indecisiveness and how he fell for Sayu rubs be me wrong way. It's very forced when most of their interactions have been about him lecturing her and Sayu just doing the chores and trying to improve herself slowly. There is no romantic development or chemistry whatsoever, just cliche accidents between them. It seems like you could replace Sayu with any random attractive and vulnerable girl and Yoshida would fall for her because of the codependency, how she keeps him company and cooks/cleans. He has completely forgotten about Gotou's existence too who could fill the emotional void. So much for his love for 5 years, did he ever like Gotou for anything other than her body in the first place?

Lastly, i want to mention how all his colleagues have warned Yoshida about the potential romance, he denies it, swears it won't go that direction, but the funny thing is that it's been 2-3 months and he has done absolutely nothing to try solving the situation. Even asking about her family or any useful information, i would understand avoiding the topic on the first few weeks but it's been months and it doesn't seem to bother him in the slightest that he is doing something illegal for so long. And now he's suddenly like "You should go home", you don't say! I understand he is used to her being around to the point of ignoring his original purpose, but still it's weird...The shows is starting to go downhill real fast,even more so with the faster pacing. From the start i saw it being another cliche and predictable love story between the MC's, but Yoshida's refreshing character gave me some small hope that it won't go the obvious route, but now it feels like such wasted potential.


Agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if they top it all off by having her react in some silly and nonsensical way so the author can demonstrate how Sayu is the best choice after all. As you say, too often the side characters are just filler and get dropped as the series progresses.

Agreed again, this plot development makes him look shallow and like a hypocrite. Now, this could be inspired writing if the author is trying to tell us that he isn't such a great guy after all, but that is probably not the case. He is meant to be the same upstanding person we saw at the start, and that just isn't believable. Even his lack of understanding about what Mishima has said to him strikes me as odd. Is he really that dense and incapable of understanding what people are saying to him? The fact that Sayu is his number one now, well that tells me that he really is stuck in his own world and doesn't really think or care about how anyone else feels. Sayu is performing a function for him that makes him feel happy but, as you say, she could be anyone. He hasn't shown any willingness to investigate any further, she is doing his chores and keeping him company, so he doesn't care. Mishima asked her about her goals and whether this has justified the part that others have had to play since she arrived. Yoshida doesn't care about any of this. And now he is caught, at his front door, in his shorts, with her brother looking for her.

Even his 'you should go home' was lacking in conviction, and it is obvious that she is starting to see that, which is why she asked if he wanted her to stay. No sign that they would hold hands at the festival before this episode and there's no sign that she has ever changed from wanting Yoshida to fall for her. But he seems dense to all of it.

Again, totally agree, I was hoping that he would stick to his moral code and send her home happily, but that doesn't seem to be happening now so I wonder what that says about him and the upstanding guy we saw in the first episode. But what have they actually fixed about Sayu's mindset? It just happens that she met a nicer guy than the others, but what has she actually learned?

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So, @Gab5 @Kakuja21 @Ahaxx @borderliner and any other Gotou appreciators:

Is this series salvageable at this point? I think it is, but...

What odds would you give on a "defying expectations" ending of Gotou being the winner with an understanding, if still broken-hearted, Sayu explaining that she now understands what a loving relationship would feel like and that she will find her own Yoshida someday?

And if it went that route, I'm curious as to how many people would be cheering, and how many of you out there would be upset.

Edit: Oh, I guess I never actually answered my own question. Since the ending in the source material isn't even out yet, and original anime endings exist, I don't think the Gotou route is zero, but it's still admittedly unlikely. I give it a 10% shot, you know, I certainly don't get the impression it's headed that way but writers can be clever sometimes. If it did though, I'd be ecstatic to get a story different from the anime norm, and jack my rating up by a few points if I really felt Yoshida's journey to overcome his base temptations.
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Phantasy_Starved said:
So, @Gab5 @Kakuja21 @Ahaxx @borderliner and any other Gotou appreciators:

Is this series salvageable at this point? I think it is, but...

What odds would you give on a "defying expectations" ending of Gotou being the winner with an understanding, if still broken-hearted, Sayu explaining that she now understands what a loving relationship would feel like and that she will find her own Yoshida someday?

And if it went that route, I'm curious as to how many people would be cheering, and how many of you out there would be upset.


I think it is salvageable, but, whatever the outcome, they missed some opportunities to make some reasonable points and maybe focused too much on the drama, Mishima and Yaguchi mainly, when it wasn't needed. At times, it looked liked it was on the verge of making some really interesting points and then dropped the ball, slightly. But it has got a lot of people talking so I wouldn't say it has been bad or anything like that.

I would say the chances of Gotou and Yoshida showing Sayu what a loving relationship is would be around 100-1. This is the type of interesting direction that this show could go in but will revert to the typical romance ending. I hope I am wrong but, with the way that Gotou has gone awol, it would almost be nonsensical if Yoshida and herself were to end up together now. But, hey, Yoshida and Sayu were holding hands, out of the blue, in the last episode, with no awkwardness at all, so maybe Yoshida and Gotou have got closer, off screen, as well? I very much doubt it, though. One thing I have found odd about this show is that Mishima has been able to express her thoughts and feelings throughout but we have no idea what Yoshida is thinking at all. He is only seen to be thinking about one thing, at any time, and that is always related to Sayu. No reaction, or further thought, about Mishima's confession, and no consideration for how Sayu fits in with his stated aim of dating Gotou. He's been pretty one dimensional this whole time. Everyone else seems to be thinking about all the various possibilities and connotations, Yoshida is only shown thinking about Sayu. His work colleague just confessed to him outside the office, barely leaves a mark on him. Not a single reflection on his part about what just happened or what he thinks about it or even how he should approach her in future.

I reckon there will be virtual riot online if it went that way. With the proportion of happy and mortified people being split around 50/50. Which is better than after the first few episodes when most people wanted Gotou burned at the stake. But I think that even Gotou supporters would be shocked if that happened now. Sayu has viewed Gotou as competition throughout the show, that has never changed, so it would probably be seen as a disaster for her if they got together now.
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I'd still like to think Mismina will sneak in and snatch Yoshida from both of them.

She'd be better for him, bubbly, outgoing, she'd drag him out to the cinema, Karaoke, festivals etc. Whereas Gotou is too like Yoshida, they'd end up working, going for lunch and then what, sit at home watching the TV?

It's obvious Yoshida likes the idea of someone to act the housewife for him, even without the sex, He'd be happy for someone to cook miso soup for his breakfast and say "welcome home dear".

I wish they hadn't cut out his relationship with AO as it really nailed down his faults to a tee - He was so dense he turned down the unrequited love of his Sempai at highshool without realising it, even though she was the "love of his life" and they'd had the being responsible conversation after having protected sex (she wanted him to make love to her without using a condom so they could feel closer and he refused out of respect). She even told him over the meal that he was the only love in her life and she'd not dated since they split up, because no-one was like Yoshida..

As Mishmina's stalking him she'll know the instant Sayu goes home - if she makes her move when he's lonely & vulnerable she could get her man 100%.
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@penrhos Hey, I totally respect that. I've fallen for the Genki Girl before (Toradora, Quintuplets)
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I'd still like to think Mismina will sneak in and snatch Yoshida from both of them.

She'd be better for him, bubbly, outgoing, she'd drag him out to the cinema, Karaoke, festivals etc. Whereas Gotou is too like Yoshida, they'd end up working, going for lunch and then what, sit at home watching the TV?

It's obvious Yoshida likes the idea of someone to act the housewife for him, even without the sex, He'd be happy for someone to cook miso soup for his breakfast and say "welcome home dear".

I wish they hadn't cut out his relationship with AO as it really nailed down his faults to a tee - He was so dense he turned down the unrequited love of his Sempai at highshool without realising it, even though she was the "love of his life" and they'd had the being responsible conversation after having protected sex (she wanted him to make love to her without using a condom so they could feel closer and he refused out of respect). She even told him over the meal that he was the only love in her life and she'd not dated since they split up, because no-one was like Yoshida..

As Mishmina's stalking him she'll know the instant Sayu goes home - if she makes her move when he's lonely & vulnerable she could get her man 100%.


That's a good point, Mishima has been shown to have more different interests, Yoshida doing karaoke would be something to see. Gotou can knock back the drinks, but she's not been shown in any other context apart from work.

His ex was an interesting development, his view of what happened and hers were totally different. Although I think she has to take some of the responsibility for that misunderstanding.

But I think that if Yoshida can be caught when he is lonely and vulnerable, he really would be a lightweight. Although, he is showing that maybe he is.
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Phantasy_Starved said:
So, @Gab5 @Kakuja21 @Ahaxx @borderliner and any other Gotou appreciators:

Is this series salvageable at this point? I think it is, but...

What odds would you give on a "defying expectations" ending of Gotou being the winner with an understanding, if still broken-hearted, Sayu explaining that she now understands what a loving relationship would feel like and that she will find her own Yoshida someday?

And if it went that route, I'm curious as to how many people would be cheering, and how many of you out there would be upset.

Edit: Oh, I guess I never actually answered my own question. Since the ending in the source material isn't even out yet, and original anime endings exist, I don't think the Gotou route is zero, but it's still admittedly unlikely. I give it a 10% shot, you know, I certainly don't get the impression it's headed that way but writers can be clever sometimes. If it did though, I'd be ecstatic to get a story different from the anime norm, and jack my rating up by a few points if I really felt Yoshida's journey to overcome his base temptations.
After episode 8 I feel Gotou chances have gone down even more but I still have hope it can happen but I think the LN already revealed who he ended up with but I haven’t looked into it
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Poor Mishima, she can't do anything to make Yoshida have also feelings for her.

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Is anyone else not weirded out that this show is pulling an Usagi Drop? A 27 year old guy is going after a minor... wtf is wrong with this show.


Sorry but this isn't as weird/disgusting as Usagi Drop. In Usagi Drop guy literally raised his waifu since childhood and Sayu is 17 when they met (so she is borderline young adult).

You can still be weirded out by this, if I was in-universe observer then most likely I would be also weirded out, like I had friend who was going out with older guy and age gap was even bigger... but still comparing Higehiro to Usagi Drop is like comparing Domestic Girlfriend to Yosuga no Sora because both technically have incest elements.
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