Dr. Stone Episode 17 Discussion

deg said:


obviously since Lillian genes has been pass on to her descendants Ruri and Kohaku

Julianfoxy said:
The fact that people expect answers right away and straight call out ''plot holes'' ''bad writing'' ''shitty show'' ''doesn't make any sense'' if the didn't get one on the go is beyond me.
Many other people actually did this this on the beginning of the show before eating their words later cause the actual got answers after few episodes. Sure am not saying that you shouldn't be questioning about thing but taking the opportunity to shit on the show even tho it not done yet, even tho the manga is not done yet and is nowhere near close to be, you should not start talking shit on it that's just stupid.

SpaceCowboyFin said:
It was a good episode but I can't help but laugh at the idea of 3700 years of inbreeding in a tiny gene pool.

CaioOlive said:
When last episode still left room for the astronauts backstory, I was somehow disappointed. Yeah, I was wrong. This was a very important flashback, yet another solid episode, maybe the best of the second half so far. Seems like Senkuu just gained more motivation. a lot of emotional stuff as well, and it truly explains why do they have so little information about the real world. Having to save their friends as quickly as possible, they must've left useful stuff there, like maps and so on. Also, that couple never came back, so maybe we got another village? The only thing missing for me is why are there only 40 people on the village. Obviously something happened. It's hard to believe that they were only going to have like 2 kids for each couple. Anyways, I think they won't cover it and the next part of the anime will be pretty dope if what I understood right what I read on forums and wikias.

yuukigami said:
A very good episode character-wise and emotion-wise but I just can't get my finger around some aspects of the backstory that simply don't make much sense:

1. The astronauts have intended to land somewhere near South America and ended up missing their target and landed somewhere near an island in the Pacific.. Okay, but why instead of trying their hardest to investigate the situation and find the nearest civilized settlement (town, village) they have simply settled in the same spot and started creating families without finding a place with decent supplies and medicine first? I know it's very difficult to navigate and risky to travel but they would've realized that they would need tools of civilization and especially medicine to survive longer but they obviously didn't even try..

2. The reproduction of the next generations within such a small circle of genes in a completely uncivilized world without any major health issues is also very questionable. I guess the rest of them got extremely lucky to live long enough to have more kids and pass on the knowledge to them before catching infections or whatnot?

3. The third and the biggest question is how did their ancestors manage to reach Japan at some point. This one is beyond strange. It would even make more sense if the first generation, i.e. the astronauts would have managed that at some point within their lives as they had more knowledge and technology at their disposal (which they never bothered to reach or use) for that??

Overall, I really do like this show and don't mean to complain or anything but just can't help thinking about all of this. What do you guys think about these questions? Would there be more explanations later on in the story on how the current state of the village came to be?

sprite-1 said:


Probably couldn't find a voice actress that's both fluent in Japanese and English

N4V1G4T0R said:
This is a sad, but at the same time the most stupid and illogical episode.
Why did the astronauts live on the island and where did those two go by boat?
Senku came to this island on foot from the mainland.
Instead of living in some kind of wards, astronauts could use cars and live in any of the houses and they had a lot of drugs that were in hospitals, but they were dying of pneumonia.

amlg said:


They lived on the island cause they didn't bother to go and try to find mainland until they start to get sick

The 2 people tried to find mainland, but never returned. They either, died in the ocean OR they couldn't find their way back and just decide to stay in another place.

The village senku ends up on isn't the same Island that was shown in the flashback, as can be seen that the island the astronauts lived in was a lot larger and surrounded by ocean.

Which means the astronauts wasn't able to find mainland, thus they couldn't go live in houses or get supplies from hospitals.

But the main downfall was... they didn't bother try to leave the Island until they start to get sick (as can be seen that they only start getting sick after HAVING 2 kids... meaning they spend at least 2+ years on the island... more than enough time for knowledgeable astronauts to build more boats and gather supplies and head out into the ocean to look for mainland. (unless they somehow can't use stars to navigate the sea... like Senku tried to use as maps) (we know they can do it, since if the high school girls from Sounan Desu ka can build rafts that can travel between islands... I am sure astronauts can build an even better raft/ boat)

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So... overall even tho this is a sad episode, but it's still pretty much their own fault they end up in this situation.

CG said:
Retconning much? Now Senkuu and his dad are suddenly not blood related, "due to sudden plot reasons".

SouthRzVa said:
Sorry but the idea of Senkuu counting seconds for millennia still makes me cringe in disbelief every time it's mentioned.

And also, I don't want to be an ass but why would you have kids when you can't secure your own safety first? I mean, it seems the six survivors didn't even try to look for more people outside the island or more importantly, find a civilized settlement (city or small village) with technology and medical supplements.

Meh episode overall. I honestly was expecting more from Byakuya but he just left mostly all the job to Senkuu with the absurd hope that he would eventually wake up someday. And the fact he left a few "survival tips" to be told through stories from generation to generation didn't convince me either. He might have been a great dad, as many people say here but in terms of story progression, he was a quite useless character.

So Tsukasa will reappear in the next episode, uh? Not really pleased with the idea but we'll see...

P.S.: Just wondering but the fact of Senkuu and Byakuya not being blood-related will be of importance for the plot later on in the series? Because for me, it seems to be just an excuse to avoid an "ancient" incest route in case the author develops a romance between Senkuu and Kohaku/Ruri later on.

SenpaiMars-Barz said:


Pretty sure they are blood related....show just said that all the thousands of years of breeding watered them down enough that they could hardly be called related. If you think of it in real world scenarios, a lot of Japanese people are descended from a small gene pool of ancestors since it has remained such a closed off society since its start ages ago. I believe it's a true statistic that theres a 1/4 chance (from what I remember) that any one Japanese person is a cousin to another Japanese person, albeit those ties are probably from many generations ago. So Senku's logic makes sense.....unless you want to believe most of Japan's marriages are incest lol

SouthRzVa said:

Nah, with 3700 years, it's hard to say it's incest if they were blood-related (Senkuu and Kohaku/Ruri). I'm just curious whether that fact would be relevant in the story at some point since it was quite out of nowhere when Byakuya said he wasn't Senkuu's father.

SenpaiMars-Barz said:


Wait.....am I missing something? I don't remember he ever saying he wasn't Senkuu's real father....they're even designed to look similar, I'm pretty sure Byakuya is Senkuu's real father....

SouthRzVa said:

I took the liberty to re-watched the episode and around 11:10, he says him and Senkuu aren't blood-related.

SouthRzVa said:

I took the liberty to re-watched the episode and around 11:10, he says him and Senkuu aren't blood-related.

N4V1G4T0R said:

maybe I was inattentive and mistaken about the island, but they found a boat, which means that somewhere not far away should have been a settlement
and yet they are astronauts, which means scientists
they should have had weapons and medicines from the space capsule and they had to build houses with beds, not tents, and they shouldn't sleep on the ground
in 3 years they could build a ship and go to the mainland, wherever they had everything they need to survive