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Sep 24, 2019 8:03 AM

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Not really, there's a lot of things that happen. An awesome character development and different things. Thats why Vinland Saga started as a shounen, but got moved to a seinen.

Sep 24, 2019 8:04 AM

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Thorfinn only keeps living so he can have a fair duel with Askeladd and finally avenge is father. So far that's the point of his character. But to carry a show like this Askeladd takes the lead as the manipulative bastards, Thorkell as the suicidal blockhead and eventually

I have started reading the manga yesterday and I'm in episode 15/16 territory (probably) and there's some interesting dynamics. I think I know what the author wants to do and if that's the case that's great writing.

Sep 24, 2019 1:30 PM

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I agree with tzarye. This season of Vinland is carried by 3 non-leading main characters.
Most love the show.
However, there are many who like Vinland but don't understand why it's held in the highest regard, & a small minority who get bored or feel the show is meandering.
The story doesn't kick into high gear until all 3 characters start affecting the plot. They join the fray 1 at a time with tension increasing upon each entrance. But there are many episodes before all 3 are moving the plot.
The mangaka put a ton of effort into story set up & world-building. And the payoff (in this season as well as future seasons) is made all the better because of it. But it's risky because, depending on your tastes, you may love of it or you may feel that nothing happens & drop in the 1st few episodes.

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Sep 24, 2019 3:42 PM

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The author takes the time to make the world building and develop characters. I don't really feel the same way when I read the manga, but it migt be because there are 2 episodes contains anime original episode and some episodes that just happen in anime, so for some reason the plot is kinda slow comparing to the manga (hell, Thorkell should appear in like episode 7 or 8).

The newest episode actually gives it foreshadow for where it will goes. New important characters like Canute and Thorkell appears instead of Askeladd and his gang, the story is more focusing on saving the prince than Thorfinn's revenge, etc.

I don't really want to spoil the story, but I want to give you where it will goes. It will change from the revenge thing into taking over a kingdom for making the greatest country, the paradise in the world, a world without a war. Askeladd really plays along with the story.

At that point, all of the characters, especially Askeladd and Canute get insane character development. Kinda want to spoil it, but I guess you will regret reading it.

But still, if you expect Thorfinn to be important, this season is not his time. He's just a tool so Askeladd can drive the story goes away. Don't think this story is about Thorfinn who will get his revenge and then done, but think the story will goes smoothly because Askeladd is using Thorfinn.

Sep 24, 2019 5:14 PM

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This next cour will focus more on Prince Canute and less of Thorfinn. A lot of character dynamics and building/development happen here. Hell, even the Priest gets a lot of attention.

So for those who don't like Thorfinn, you'll definitely enjoy this next cour.

Sep 24, 2019 5:36 PM

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You really don't seem to understand Vinland Saga, do ya?

Obviously focus is gonna change later on in the story, it is about the character development, not only for Thorfinn's ideology/personality and his situation with Thors his father, but also people like Thorkell, Askeladd, Canute and their own ideals...

If you're looking for an action packed and fast paced series, this is not it, Vinland Saga is characterization and story structure perfection at its finest.

Sep 25, 2019 3:56 AM

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Well i'll wait and see what happens in the next few episodes, from what I understood so far it is going to get "better" (= better in my subjective opinion) soon, I can only hope for the best. Thanks for your answers.

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Sep 26, 2019 8:10 AM

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tzarye14 said:
Thorfinn only keeps living so he can have a fair duel with Askeladd and finally avenge is father. So far that's the point of his character. But to carry a show like this Askeladd takes the lead as the manipulative bastards, Thorkell as the suicidal blockhead and eventually

I have started reading the manga yesterday and I'm in episode 15/16 territory (probably) and there's some interesting dynamics. I think I know what the author wants to do and if that's the case that's great writing.

Yup. I was right. The prologue is phenomenal and the current arc I'm reading is very promising too. It went more less where I thought it would go and had a lot of surprises along the way.

Sephyros said:
Well i'll wait and see what happens in the next few episodes, from what I understood so far it is going to get "better" (= better in my subjective opinion) soon, I can only hope for the best. Thanks for your answers.

The story and characters has always been great from the beginning but the arcs are very self contained so you need the whole to judge it. I do suggest watching this season 'til the end and then decide. Thorfinn's characters is pretty great but Canute and Askeladd are the MVPs of this 1st season.

Sep 26, 2019 8:46 AM

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So I've only watched a few episodes, but I've been watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Early similar don't you think.

Sep 26, 2019 9:31 AM

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tzarye14 said:

tzarye14 said:
Thorfinn only keeps living so he can have a fair duel with Askeladd and finally avenge is father. So far that's the point of his character. But to carry a show like this Askeladd takes the lead as the manipulative bastards, Thorkell as the suicidal blockhead and eventually

I have started reading the manga yesterday and I'm in episode 15/16 territory (probably) and there's some interesting dynamics. I think I know what the author wants to do and if that's the case that's great writing.

Yup. I was right. The prologue is phenomenal and the current arc I'm reading is very promising too. It went more less where I thought it would go and had a lot of surprises along the way.

Sephyros said:
Well i'll wait and see what happens in the next few episodes, from what I understood so far it is going to get "better" (= better in my subjective opinion) soon, I can only hope for the best. Thanks for your answers.

The story and characters has always been great from the beginning but the arcs are very self contained so you need the whole to judge it. I do suggest watching this season 'til the end and then decide. Thorfinn's characters is pretty great but Canute and Askeladd are the MVPs of this 1st season.

Yeah i agree. IMO, in the prologue up to canute arc, while thorfin is the POV character, in term of overall importance, he is more of a supporting protagonist. The main protagonist in term of importance is Askellad and Canute. Its only later that Thorfinn becomes a "true" protagonist

Sep 27, 2019 9:39 PM

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AppleNHK said:
Not really, there's a lot of things that happen. An awesome character development and different things. Thats why Vinland Saga started as a shounen, but got moved to a seinen.

Bullshit, he moved to monthly magazine because he couldn't maintain weekly schedule. Demographics have nothing with the plot.

Sep 28, 2019 12:45 AM

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bastek66 said:

AppleNHK said:
Not really, there's a lot of things that happen. An awesome character development and different things. Thats why Vinland Saga started as a shounen, but got moved to a seinen.

Bullshit, he moved to monthly magazine because he couldn't maintain weekly schedule. Demographics have nothing with the plot.

The author wanted the manga's art to be more good, that is why he changed it into monthly. When he published it weekly, the drawing isn't as phenomenal as now, but he clearly did a great job. Hell, even in monthly magazine, he still can did a great artwork without any hiatus.

Sep 28, 2019 6:02 AM

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mohrip said:

bastek66 said:

Bullshit, he moved to monthly magazine because he couldn't maintain weekly schedule. Demographics have nothing with the plot.

The author wanted the manga's art to be more good, that is why he changed it into monthly. When he published it weekly, the drawing isn't as phenomenal as now, but he clearly did a great job. Hell, even in monthly magazine, he still can did a great artwork without any hiatus.

Except he did a one issue hiatus few months ago and there wasn't a chapter in May's Afternoon.

Sep 28, 2019 3:40 PM

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bastek66 said:

AppleNHK said:
Not really, there's a lot of things that happen. An awesome character development and different things. Thats why Vinland Saga started as a shounen, but got moved to a seinen.

Demographics have nothing with the plot.

So you can make anime about killing and raping for children from kindergarten?

Sep 28, 2019 7:07 PM

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bastek66 said:

AppleNHK said:
Not really, there's a lot of things that happen. An awesome character development and different things. Thats why Vinland Saga started as a shounen, but got moved to a seinen.

Bullshit, he moved to monthly magazine because he couldn't maintain weekly schedule. Demographics have nothing with the plot.

Publishing & marketing industries don't make money by doing favors. They have a financial incentive to properly market manga. I think it's safe to assume marketing demographics partly depends on the plot, since when publishers sell graphic novels, they're selling story & art. To me, the most reasonable explanation for ceasing publication in magazines teenagers read & begin publishing in magazines adults read would be that teenagers don't like the story & art, while adults do. There are many monthly shounen magazines to move to if the core issue is schedule. The decision to move is fundamentally a business decision, and moving to a monthly seinen makes the most sense if adults buy your product more than teenagers do.

Sep 29, 2019 1:46 AM

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Taito10 said:
So you can make anime about killing and raping for children from kindergarten?

Shounen, shoujo, josei and shoujo are manga demographics. Anime has different ones (for male otaku, for fujos, for kids). TV probably wouldn't air such gorefest but OVA and ONA format exist.

najumobi said:
Publishing & marketing industries don't make money by doing favors. They have a financial incentive to properly market manga. I think it's safe to assume marketing demographics partly depends on the plot, since when publishers sell graphic novels, they're selling story & art. To me, the most reasonable explanation for ceasing publication in magazines teenagers read & begin publishing in magazines adults read would be that teenagers don't like the story & art, while adults do. There are many monthly shounen magazines to move to if the core issue is schedule. The decision to move is fundamentally a business decision, and moving to a monthly seinen makes the most sense if adults buy your product more than teenagers do.

I doubt there are any DEEP meaning behind changing magazine other than wanting more time to draw chapters and Afternoon had free slot for title. Mangaka was probably tired of doing weekly titles since his Planetes were in weekly Morning magazine.

Sep 29, 2019 2:52 AM

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bastek66 said:

najumobi said:
Publishing & marketing industries don't make money by doing favors. They have a financial incentive to properly market manga. I think it's safe to assume marketing demographics partly depends on the plot, since when publishers sell graphic novels, they're selling story & art. To me, the most reasonable explanation for ceasing publication in magazines teenagers read & begin publishing in magazines adults read would be that teenagers don't like the story & art, while adults do. There are many monthly shounen magazines to move to if the core issue is schedule. The decision to move is fundamentally a business decision, and moving to a monthly seinen makes the most sense if adults buy your product more than teenagers do.

I doubt there are any DEEP meaning behind changing magazine other than wanting more time to draw chapters and Afternoon had free slot for title. Mangaka was probably tired of doing weekly titles since his Planetes were in weekly Morning magazine.

Ah gotcha. I didn't consider slot availability constraints or he having greater than usual control over his schedule.

Sep 29, 2019 4:09 AM

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based on the manga... there will be a lot more to come

Sep 30, 2019 1:23 PM

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bastek66 said:

Taito10 said:
So you can make anime about killing and raping for children from kindergarten?

Shounen, shoujo, josei and shoujo are manga demographics. Anime has different ones (for male otaku, for fujos, for kids). TV probably wouldn't air such gorefest but OVA and ONA format exist. .

You are wrong. "Shonen" means "boy" and nothing more. If you are talking about manga then you should say "shonen-manga" and if you talking about anime then "shonen-muke-anime" (similar is Shoujo). Also shonen- manga is intended for boys between the ages of 12 to 18 and Im talking about children from kindergarten so killing and raping probably has 0% chance to be made so demographics can change plot.

Oct 2, 2019 8:40 AM

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Taito10 said:

bastek66 said:

Shounen, shoujo, josei and shoujo are manga demographics. Anime has different ones (for male otaku, for fujos, for kids). TV probably wouldn't air such gorefest but OVA and ONA format exist. .

You are wrong. "Shonen" means "boy" and nothing more. If you are talking about manga then you should say "shonen-manga" and if you talking about anime then "shonen-muke-anime" (similar is Shoujo). Also shonen- manga is intended for boys between the ages of 12 to 18 and Im talking about children from kindergarten so killing and raping probably has 0% chance to be made so demographics can change plot.

Akame ga Kill was serialized in shounen gangan and Bols family was raped and murdered.

Oct 2, 2019 1:48 PM

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bastek66 said:

Taito10 said:

You are wrong. "Shonen" means "boy" and nothing more. If you are talking about manga then you should say "shonen-manga" and if you talking about anime then "shonen-muke-anime" (similar is Shoujo). Also shonen- manga is intended for boys between the ages of 12 to 18 and Im talking about children from kindergarten so killing and raping probably has 0% chance to be made so demographics can change plot.

Akame ga Kill was serialized in shounen gangan and Bols family was raped and murdered.

Doesn't matter. I was talking about kids from kindergarten (age 3-6 years).

Oct 13, 2019 2:01 PM

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Repetitive fells like way to much, but since i dropped it around ep 6 and decide to avoide mainstrems dunno.

Oct 13, 2019 8:43 PM

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[quote=najumobi]

bastek66 said:

najumobi said:
Publishing & marketing industries don't make money by doing favors. They have a financial incentive to properly market manga. I think it's safe to assume marketing demographics partly depends on the plot, since when publishers sell graphic novels, they're selling story & art. To me, the most reasonable explanation for ceasing publication in magazines teenagers read & begin publishing in magazines adults read would be that teenagers don't like the story & art, while adults do. There are many monthly shounen magazines to move to if the core issue is schedule. The decision to move is fundamentally a business decision, and moving to a monthly seinen makes the most sense if adults buy your product more than teenagers do.

I doubt there are any DEEP meaning behind changing magazine other than wanting more time to draw chapters and Afternoon had free slot for title. Mangaka was probably tired of doing weekly titles since his Planetes were in weekly Morning magazine.

I agree with that, I guess Yukimura want more time and tired because get older, and his body can't support weekly schedule

Oct 13, 2019 8:47 PM

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That aspect between Thorfinn and Askalaad is probably my least favorite aspect of the show.

I agree it's repetitive, and I much prefer when they focus on other characters.

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