| Get fucked lolicons! But seriously...This is sooooo stupid. So, Violent games where you kill humans and shit are OK. But god forbid fictional goddamn characters! It’s the same nonsense as always. |
| Anyone remember Postal 1&2 and the back lash that caused? |
Kuma said: so, it's all happening because Fosta/Sesta taken effect next month, hence why not only steam, but also tumblr, facebook, even craiglist, because they can punished simply because they will associated with the one posting in their platform... https://www.wired.com/story/tumblrs-porn-ban-reveals-controls-we-see-online/ and somehow still blaming on the "libertards" and "SJW" conspiracy, i see.... I really hope someone stops this bullshit legislation. konkelo said: Steam is major game distributor and available in countries where fictional childporn is illegal, they would lose money if other countries governments would decide to ban it for distributing CP. Add also how many see lolicon=pedophilia no big business would want to taint it's own name with it. This choice however isn't a burden for those who would want their underage anime girls because they can still get it other ways legally and no one is thrown in jail in USA for it. And no eroticism and nudity isn't in danger, that's over dramatic. It's unlikely for every country to ban erotic works, you would still be able to release your work over seas and people can get copy from there. During time when violence and sexuality did get attacked and many countries had long lists of banned movies people still were able to watch them and bootleg copies were distributed. Lastly no one is able to track every sexual media that already exist, even The 120 days of sodomy is viewed as important work historically and culturally and has many prints and ebooks you're unable to track down. Well no shit it's obvious it's about proffits but as I and Kuma pointed out it's also about FOSTA SESTA. Also they can lose proffits that way too depending how their users and customers respond. You don't understand. I'm not talking about just government laws. I'm talking about how corporations have more power than people and function like dictatorships not democracy to the point you almost can call it a law of the business. The bigger they are the more power they have. All it takes is either governments, or websites,or shippers, or host servers, or ISPs, or funding methods like PayPal banning something and it's gone from the internet or from existence or at least extremely difficult to find. This doesn't just apply to porn or nudity but can be literally anything. That's why there is a problem. The internet isn't a public owned thing in most places and most of what we all use on it is in some way tied to a private business that at any moment can make any arbitrary decision they want. I'm suggesting pressure should be put on such private industries when they step too far out of line of user/customer interest but also more importantly other channels need to be made that have no ties to any private businesses controlled by the CEO or majority stock holders or what have you but can stand a good chance of surviving along side these private businesses so alternatives can always be available. I haven't used Steam so i have no personal reason for what I say and am speaking of the greater picture. |
traedDec 11, 2018 4:31 PM
| I thought they already did that. It doesn't seem like a coincidence that more companies are doing these things. |
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| Pretty sure most CG hentai games don't contain underage sex anyways. Not like sexiness is being banned. I would hate for that to happen lol. |
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traed said: konkelo said: Steam is major game distributor and available in countries where fictional childporn is illegal, they would lose money if other countries governments would decide to ban it for distributing CP. Add also how many see lolicon=pedophilia no big business would want to taint it's own name with it. This choice however isn't a burden for those who would want their underage anime girls because they can still get it other ways legally and no one is thrown in jail in USA for it. And no eroticism and nudity isn't in danger, that's over dramatic. It's unlikely for every country to ban erotic works, you would still be able to release your work over seas and people can get copy from there. During time when violence and sexuality did get attacked and many countries had long lists of banned movies people still were able to watch them and bootleg copies were distributed. Lastly no one is able to track every sexual media that already exist, even The 120 days of sodomy is viewed as important work historically and culturally and has many prints and ebooks you're unable to track down. Well no shit it's obvious it's about proffits but as I and Kuma pointed out it's also about FOSTA SESTA. Also they can lose proffits that way too depending how their users and customers respond. You don't understand. I'm not talking about just government laws. I'm talking about how corporations have more power than people and function like dictatorships not democracy to the point you almost can call it a law of the business. The bigger they are the more power they have. All it takes is either governments, or websites,or shippers, or host servers, or ISPs, or funding methods like PayPal banning something and it's gone from the internet or from existence or at least extremely difficult to find. This doesn't just apply to porn or nudity but can be literally anything. That's why there is a problem. The internet isn't a public owned thing in most places and most of what we all use on it is in some way tied to a private business that at any moment can make any arbitrary decision they want. I'm suggesting pressure should be put on such private industries when they step too far out of line of user/customer interest but also more importantly other channels need to be made that have no ties to any private businesses controlled by the CEO or majority stock holders or what have you but can stand a good chance of surviving along side these private businesses so alternatives can always be available. I haven't used Steam so i have no personal reason for what I say and am speaking of the greater picture. Yes and I added to what @NthDegree said there being legal basis to why Steam would ban loli, as in if Valve wanted to they could claim they did it to ably to law even if it wasn't their main reason. Still don't see any massive problem that would affect consuming media and say that's over dramatic image you make. No big business could stop me, as an example, starting a comic magazine that would only focus on sex and violence, it would be niche yes but people who actually want and desire such media could get it through different methods from me. Corporations affect many huge issues in World but actually going after erotic works isn't one of them, because sexual media/art has forever existed and still somehow people always find a way to get them despite laws and what mass media controls. |
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konkelo said: traed said: Well no shit it's obvious it's about proffits but as I and Kuma pointed out it's also about FOSTA SESTA. Also they can lose proffits that way too depending how their users and customers respond. You don't understand. I'm not talking about just government laws. I'm talking about how corporations have more power than people and function like dictatorships not democracy to the point you almost can call it a law of the business. The bigger they are the more power they have. All it takes is either governments, or websites,or shippers, or host servers, or ISPs, or funding methods like PayPal banning something and it's gone from the internet or from existence or at least extremely difficult to find. This doesn't just apply to porn or nudity but can be literally anything. That's why there is a problem. The internet isn't a public owned thing in most places and most of what we all use on it is in some way tied to a private business that at any moment can make any arbitrary decision they want. I'm suggesting pressure should be put on such private industries when they step too far out of line of user/customer interest but also more importantly other channels need to be made that have no ties to any private businesses controlled by the CEO or majority stock holders or what have you but can stand a good chance of surviving along side these private businesses so alternatives can always be available. I haven't used Steam so i have no personal reason for what I say and am speaking of the greater picture. Yes and I added to what @NthDegree said there being legal basis to why Steam would ban loli, as in if Valve wanted to they could claim they did it to ably to law even if it wasn't their main reason. Still don't see any massive problem that would affect consuming media and say that's over dramatic image you make. No big business could stop me, as an example, starting a comic magazine that would only focus on sex and violence, it would be niche yes but people who actually want and desire such media could get it through different methods from me. Corporations affect many huge issues in World but actually going after erotic works isn't one of them, because sexual media/art has forever existed and still somehow people always find a way to get them despite laws and what mass media controls. It isn't a reason at all. There isn't really an international internet law. So it's just potential sales loss that's all. FOSTA SESTA isnt so much a US law as it is removal of protections of lawsuit for website owners in cases of human trafficking and has actually caused the opposite effect of it's intent to remove that. You brought up before about sites being blocked in some countries but an easy way around that is if companies simply host content that is not banned on a mirror site to be accessible where their main site is banned. Second best option is split websites into two. I prefer supporting developers and artists more directly though which is part of why I mentioned the need of large public entities that can keep such things convenient and accessible. If you were to go back to a world without the convenience of the internet provides for such things and leave people with in your example magazines that they could only get from you by in person contact. A direct consequence of this limitation of exposure and access is whithering industries and arts. How could a developer or artist have time to make their work if they can't get enough people to financially support them? They just cant. I don't literally mean everything will be totally gone everywhere just it will whither to where it seems that way for the majority of people. |
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traed said: It isn't a reason at all. There isn't really an international internet law. So it's just potential sales loss that's all. FOSTA SESTA isnt so much a US law as it is removal of protections of lawsuit for website owners in cases of human trafficking and has actually caused the opposite effect of it's intent to remove that. You brought up before about sites being blocked in some countries but an easy way around that is if companies simply host content that is not banned on a mirror site to be accessible where their main site is banned. Second best option is split websites into two. I prefer supporting developers and artists more directly though which is part of why I mentioned the need of large public entities that can keep such things convenient and accessible. If you were to go back to a world without the convenience of the internet provides for such things and leave people with in your example magazines that they could only get from you by in person contact. A direct consequence of this limitation of exposure and access is whithering industries and arts. How could a developer or artist have time to make their work if they can't get enough people to financially support them? They just cant. I don't literally mean everything will be totally gone everywhere just it will whither to where it seems that way for the majority of people. Maybe because Steam server has agencies in different nations, beside Steam apparently changed it's user terms 2015 to go with EU laws even tho they're not universal laws by no means. Note I'm not saying Valve's decision is greatest option, it's more just understandable and it's easier to just ban all x games than try to please every customer, and this is a group a business easily can ignore. You're expecting I'd target foreign people or wish to get huge sell. But if I'd try to get my magazine available to people outside my country, I'd either ask for small publishing house or shop. That's how majority indie European comics get outside their own country. Most DVDs I have bought are from independent publisher and quality isn't bad or getting them was any harder. There are quite a lot media that is cheaply made, passion project and didn't have any financial support. Who knows maybe small nations own entertainment production would evolve when USA mass media wouldn't satisfy anymore or accessing foreign media was more strict, if what you say would happen. I'd say only problems are majority of people couldn't appreciate art unless they actually cared to find it themselves and there'd be clear cut of high art and underground art. |
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konkelo said: traed said: It isn't a reason at all. There isn't really an international internet law. So it's just potential sales loss that's all. FOSTA SESTA isnt so much a US law as it is removal of protections of lawsuit for website owners in cases of human trafficking and has actually caused the opposite effect of it's intent to remove that. You brought up before about sites being blocked in some countries but an easy way around that is if companies simply host content that is not banned on a mirror site to be accessible where their main site is banned. Second best option is split websites into two. I prefer supporting developers and artists more directly though which is part of why I mentioned the need of large public entities that can keep such things convenient and accessible. If you were to go back to a world without the convenience of the internet provides for such things and leave people with in your example magazines that they could only get from you by in person contact. A direct consequence of this limitation of exposure and access is whithering industries and arts. How could a developer or artist have time to make their work if they can't get enough people to financially support them? They just cant. I don't literally mean everything will be totally gone everywhere just it will whither to where it seems that way for the majority of people. Maybe because Steam server has agencies in different nations, beside Steam apparently changed it's user terms 2015 to go with EU laws even tho they're not universal laws by no means. Note I'm not saying Valve's decision is greatest option, it's more just understandable and it's easier to just ban all x games than try to please every customer, and this is a group a business easily can ignore. You're expecting I'd target foreign people or wish to get huge sell. But if I'd try to get my magazine available to people outside my country, I'd either ask for small publishing house or shop. That's how majority indie European comics get outside their own country. Most DVDs I have bought are from independent publisher and quality isn't bad or getting them was any harder. There are quite a lot media that is cheaply made, passion project and didn't have any financial support. Who knows maybe small nations own entertainment production would evolve when USA mass media wouldn't satisfy anymore or accessing foreign media was more strict, if what you say would happen. I'd say only problems are majority of people couldn't appreciate art unless they actually cared to find it themselves and there'd be clear cut of high art and underground art. Isn't EU changes mostly just to do with digression of how cookies are used? So again as i pointed out you would have to rely on a small business. Country? Youd be lucky to even have outside the city if you got blacklisted by all the international and national companies of the internet and shipping and payment and so on. Keep in mind some of these businesses are ran by the same people so it's not irrational to be aware of the threat because it really is possible despite how it sounds. |
traed said: Isn't EU changes mostly just to do with digression of how cookies are used? So again as i pointed out you would have to rely on a small business. Country? Youd be lucky to even have outside the city if you got blacklisted by all the international and national companies of the internet and shipping and payment and so on. Keep in mind some of these businesses are ran by the same people so it's not irrational to be aware of the threat because it really is possible despite how it sounds. Not what I read. It apparently made it possible to return the game in 14 days if you played it less than 2 hours as that's EU law for digital items. Not necessarily and small family business are different from corporation monsters like Disney and Google. Majority of local comics and small magazines are either self-printed or from small publishing house, most are sold in so called festivals or just by meeting the person and buying it with cash. Here's the fun thing, if big corporations would be the ones who played moral police that wouldn't stop me from using post or traveling by public transport because those are owned by nation at least here, and in law it's specified every person has right to bank account and even paying through internet, if we'd go like you said and no legal changes would happen. |
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konkelo said: traed said: Isn't EU changes mostly just to do with digression of how cookies are used? So again as i pointed out you would have to rely on a small business. Country? Youd be lucky to even have outside the city if you got blacklisted by all the international and national companies of the internet and shipping and payment and so on. Keep in mind some of these businesses are ran by the same people so it's not irrational to be aware of the threat because it really is possible despite how it sounds. Not what I read. It apparently made it possible to return the game in 14 days if you played it less than 2 hours as that's EU law for digital items. Not necessarily and small family business are different from corporation monsters like Disney and Google. Majority of local comics and small magazines are either self-printed or from small publishing house, most are sold in so called festivals or just by meeting the person and buying it with cash. Here's the fun thing, if big corporations would be the ones who played moral police that wouldn't stop me from using post or traveling by public transport because those are owned by nation at least here, and in law it's specified every person has right to bank account and even paying through internet, if we'd go like you said and no legal changes would happen. That seems like a simple change though and actually benafits customers not inhibits them so I don't see how that relates. Anyway point I was making wasn't about being against companies banning certain things but against private businesses being the largest part of most industries and even sometimes arts. Basically I'm just promoting community and developer/artist run sites and businesses. I know other things do exist just am saying I would like see more options that can really stand against private corporate power and small businesses don't do that enough in the larger scale due to how often they may go out of business or be bought out by bigger companies. I think public ISPs or community co-operative ISPs should exist all over for example. I was using a worst case scenario to help highlight the importance of such things and risks of borderline monopolies not for the sake of doomsaying aside from venting my frustration about what I see happening over past few years. |
traed said: That seems like a simple change though and actually benafits customers not inhibits them so I don't see how that relates. Anyway point I was making wasn't about being against companies banning certain things but against private businesses being the largest part of most industries and even sometimes arts. Basically I'm just promoting community and developer/artist run sites and businesses. I know other things do exist just am saying I would like see more options that can really stand against private corporate power and small businesses don't do that enough in the larger scale due to how often they may go out of business or be bought out by bigger companies. I think public ISPs or community co-operative ISPs should exist all over for example. I was using a worst case scenario to help highlight the importance of such things and risks of borderline monopolies not for the sake of doomsaying aside from venting my frustration about what I see happening over past few years. It related how Steam changed it's own policies to fit laws outside USA, and if the change was good or not is relative here as same way there are people who call this change actually good and isn't in no way hard to manage. Don't worry, when that doomsday comes I'll send you my magazine. Not trying to sound preacher here, but just support small business/independent artist then whenever you're able, like in this case one can go and buy the uncensored version and stop using Steam. I would rather want people and societies weren't so dependent on internet but each to their own. |
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| Next will be "TV Is Banning animes With Young-Looking Characters" |
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--ALEX-- said: Get fucked lolicons! But seriously...This is sooooo stupid. So, Violent games where you kill humans and shit are OK. But god forbid fictional goddamn characters! It’s the same nonsense as always. Goblin Slayer episode 1 should have been the perfect example of that. |
| Must Protect Fictional Characters! >So we shouldn’t kill them? What? No, of course We can KILL fictional characters, in fact we can kill them in the most GRUESOME ways imaginable! >So it’s just the sexualization thing you’re worried about? YES! You goddamn degenerate pedos just wanna fuck real kids! >Maybe some of them ARE pedos...but what’s the harm with fictional characters? I’m sure violent people also play violent video games, right? What? How dare you say that violent video games are played by violent people! There’s nothing wrong about killing fictional characters! It’s just a video game! >But...wait...nope, forget it. |
| Fosta/Sesta: Because freedom is like the cake. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| It's not so much that they are being "moral guardians" as it is they don't want to get in trouble in the future. Can't blame them there. Besides, not supporting that fetish isn't a bad thing. Honestly surprised "sex games" are on steam, anyway. |
| I fail to see how this is a bad thing |
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| So the latest move by Steam wants a dev to censor characters/content in a NON-18+ visual novel that has "no explicit, adult only sexual content". This is after they literally said "we are not the taste police" so rogue employee going ham? |
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--ALEX-- said: Must Protect Fictional Characters! >So we shouldn’t kill them? What? No, of course We can KILL fictional characters, in fact we can kill them in the most GRUESOME ways imaginable! >So it’s just the sexualization thing you’re worried about? YES! You goddamn degenerate pedos just wanna fuck real kids! >Maybe some of them ARE pedos...but what’s the harm with fictional characters? I’m sure violent people also play violent video games, right? What? How dare you say that violent video games are played by violent people! There’s nothing wrong about killing fictional characters! It’s just a video game! >But...wait...nope, forget it. Fictional violence and fictional child porn are not equal. You can see fictional violence in movies and TV, but you certainly wont see fictional child porn in movies and TV. You might consider the two things to be equivalents but the majority of the world don't |
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| yerr good for them bro. lolicons are disgusting freaks |
hotsushikun said: Now Sony and Tumblr censors everything and now Steam, this year of 2018 is getting messed up all the time to the newer generations who wants porn and others. :( Rip lolicon xD no more loli |
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Bobby2Hands said: --ALEX-- said: Must Protect Fictional Characters! >So we shouldn’t kill them? What? No, of course We can KILL fictional characters, in fact we can kill them in the most GRUESOME ways imaginable! >So it’s just the sexualization thing you’re worried about? YES! You goddamn degenerate pedos just wanna fuck real kids! >Maybe some of them ARE pedos...but what’s the harm with fictional characters? I’m sure violent people also play violent video games, right? What? How dare you say that violent video games are played by violent people! There’s nothing wrong about killing fictional characters! It’s just a video game! >But...wait...nope, forget it. Fictional violence and fictional child porn are not equal. You can see fictional violence in movies and TV, but you certainly wont see fictional child porn in movies and TV. You might consider the two things to be equivalents but the majority of the world don't Alex is clearly talking about the purely fictional that is drawings, CGI or writings. When you use real people as actors it stops being purely fictional and has a touch of reality to it so different rules and views can apply. So you're making a false equivalency. |
traed said: Bobby2Hands said: Fictional violence and fictional child porn are not equal. You can see fictional violence in movies and TV, but you certainly wont see fictional child porn in movies and TV. You might consider the two things to be equivalents but the majority of the world don't Alex is clearly talking about the purely fictional that is drawings, CGI or writings. When you use real people as actors it stops being purely fictional and has a touch of reality to it so different rules and views can apply. So you're making a false equivalency. I'm not talking about real actors, I'm talking about animated lolis, I think you misunderstood me. Just because it is animated does not stop it from being simulated child porn. |
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Bobby2Hands said: traed said: Alex is clearly talking about the purely fictional that is drawings, CGI or writings. When you use real people as actors it stops being purely fictional and has a touch of reality to it so different rules and views can apply. So you're making a false equivalency. I'm not talking about real actors, I'm talking about animated lolis, I think you misunderstood me. Just because it is animated does not stop it from being simulated child porn. Oh I guess I did. Still though it's a leap of assumption to say most in the world would consider it not the equivalent. I assume you base this on laws correct? In countries it's legally treated like the real thing is most of the time due to laws meant for the real thing that doesn't acknowledge the existence of fictional depictions so has no exclusion explained so that is a poor indication of opinion and neglects the varied political systems around the world which ranges from representative democratic to dictatorships. Most people probably don't even know such lewd things exist. Heck a lot don't even know hentai and eroge games are a thing then even less know of a niche within it. Even if you were right you were only making an appeal to popular opinion which is a fallasy and at no point did Alex say most people view it polar to what you said. Also it should be noted there are obsenity laws in some countries that ban violent animation and games etc and there exists people strongly against depictions of violence in media especially games and animation to the point they campaign against it. So it's not unreasonable to compair such things. |
Tarot217 said: hey look it's all about sticking it to dem SJWs who control the gaming media so so so clearly ok? Nevermind that the only real reason Valve doesn't listen to SJWs, gamers..et all is because Valve doesn't care about it's platform at all because it makes them money with no real work. You got people defending a literal monopoly just because it hasn't touched their weirdo weeb games yet, and they're blissfully unaware that the entirety of said weeb games are under the mercy of like, one person at Valve. It literally takes one guy at Valve to flip a switch and their beloved "free speech games" would go poof, one guy! Even worse, because Valve is an actual monopoly, there would be truly nothing you can do besides crying on KiA about censorship. So why would you want all your eggs to go in their basket? emm.. it's all happening because sesta/fosta started to enforced... |
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Tarot217 said: Oh great. Literally all it will take to put the people who run this site in jail is to go onto one of those FBI Honeypot CP sites and put a pic in the messaging system and report it and they all go to jail for 20 years. yeah, and all of that has nothing to do with conspiracy theorist you are bullshitting... the law is bipartisan but proposed by republican with overwhelming republican support with also some of democrat for it, in effort to reduce online presence of "moralities disturbance"... SJW also has nothing to do with it... |
KumaDec 28, 2018 1:26 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Good riddance. You should have a real fetish like holding hands and making babies with your kitsune waifu anyways. |
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Soverign said: Good riddance. You should have a real fetish like holding hands and making babies with your kitsune waifu anyways. what about lolibaba kitsune wiafu? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: Soverign said: Good riddance. You should have a real fetish like holding hands and making babies with your kitsune waifu anyways. what about lolibaba kitsune wiafu? That is fine also. She is probably just pettanko or sumthin. |
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i think you miss something, because we do have upcoming anime about it... https://myanimelist.net/anime/38759/Sewayaki_Kitsune_no_Senko-san |
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Kuma said: i think you miss something, because we do have upcoming anime about it... https://myanimelist.net/anime/38759/Sewayaki_Kitsune_no_Senko-san No. No. What I meant is, it doesn't matter if it is a 800 year old kitsune with a slender feminine body or a 300 year old kitsune with sum big ol tiddies, they are all the same on the inside. Wanna get married, play house, and have sum babies. It is their dream. |
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Tarot217 said: hey look it's all about sticking it to dem SJWs who control the gaming media so so so clearly ok? Nevermind that the only real reason Valve doesn't listen to SJWs, gamers..et all is because Valve doesn't care about it's platform at all because it makes them money with no real work. You got people defending a literal monopoly just because it hasn't touched their weirdo weeb games yet, and they're blissfully unaware that the entirety of said weeb games are under the mercy of like, one person at Valve. It literally takes one guy at Valve to flip a switch and their beloved "free speech games" would go poof, one guy! Even worse, because Valve is an actual monopoly, there would be truly nothing you can do besides crying on KiA about censorship. So why would you want all your eggs to go in their basket? Having a monopoly that protects free expression is better than competition that creates a race to the bottom. The latest competition to Steam is Tencent's EpicGames store. I'd rather not have communist China forcing censorship on the industry. |
| Valve: "We are not the taste police" and "We'll only ban stuff if it's illegal or trolling" > proceeds to taste police and bans games that are neither illegal or trolling. Valve: "We'll ban games with young looking characters" > proceeds to ban games like "My Bullied Bride" and all-ages game like "Hello, Good Bye" while leaving up games like "Love's Sweet Garnish". Inconsistent as fuck. How about you just stick to your original statement, Valve? |
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| As someone who dabbles with eroge on Steam, I have some concerns about which games will be affected by it since "child exploration" can be a pretty nebulous and inaccurate term. But as for now, I'm more of less content with it since my eroge collection doesn't go very far beyond HuniePop and Sakura Dungeon for the most part. So as long as I don't have to look through a myriad of sketchy-looking online stores for HuniePop 2 or Valve pulls a Sony and stars going after Neptunia and Senran Kagura (as if ESRB M, PEGI 16 and CERO D mean jack shit these days), I'm good for the time being. |
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| I think steam still has a game where children are killed. Oh yeah, classic fallout games. |
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