Why are people so triggered by tits?

Paul said:

He's not on the wrong track, if we were talking about boobs in general.

I personally find the comments that talk about big boobs lacking realism as a reason to be silly. That's like implying anime is realistic in the first place.

bokami said:
will you complain when the male cast have big D

alias08 said:
What would you do If anime started to throw man asses, bulges and and abs in your face? Of course you wouldn't complain right? Well the same goes for big tits.

lazypigz said:
Is it just me or are there a lot of people that just complain and complain when tit's get a little too big?

lazypigz said:
Like for real why are people so triggered just because Mayuri's boobies got bigger in S;G0,, or people hatin on re:zero because rems boobies are a bit exposed, or why is Steam tryna ban out my anime shit on steam?

lazypigz said:
And then there's the people who complain about HS DxD because of fanservice or smthin idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RHYZED said:
I guess people dont complain about the tits - they complain the reasons behind it I think.

Like why did the creator animate it like that? Seems like the creator put more effort into the tits instead of workin on a good plot or other things that are clearly some mistakes.

I dont think people complain the existence of big Anime tits in general.

Phendrus said:
I don't see many people complaining unless they get ridiculously large. Personally, I think that when they get really big they look bloated - like the woman has some sort of inflammatory disease or something. I don't like looking at disease.

lazypigz said:
And then there's the people who complain about HS DxD because of fanservice or smthin idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lazypigz said:
But noooo they have to watch the show. THEN hate on it.

Can't understand why people do shit they don't like though haha

Syniruh said:

You know, when you start a show, you don't know if it's going to be bad or not. You have to watch it to know, it's kind of the point.. And they just give their opinion, just like you are doing right now, there's nothing wrong with it.

LalatinaDarkness said:
Guess people have not watched old school anime where the nipples were not censored.

thefreeloader said:
Because it is not safe for work duuuuuuuuh

SpungySquash said:
When they're unrealistic, I guess people get triggered by it?


I don't get triggered by it, but I do like them being a more, believable and proportioned size rather than being watermelons.


I like my flat chested lolis.

lazypigz said:
Like honestly if you think you're not gonna like a show then don't click into it? It's like saying some kid is hating on Logan Paul so he does some petty shit and go dislike all his vids or smthin (not tryna defend this cuck here but u get the point)

Contable said:


how did you know? i kept it hidden for 3 years

ZionPulse said:
People don't like what they can't have.

lazypigz said:
But noooo they have to watch the show. THEN hate on it.

Can't understand why people do shit they don't like though haha

Phendrus said:


If you know what you're getting yourself into and choose to subject yourself to it anyway, that's your own fault.

So, yeah. I get what you're saying now.

Unrelated: You have impeccable taste in waifus.

sekai- said:

it's not that it's not realistic, it's just gross and grotesque to have people looking like this:

_Senpai said:
If there's something busty in your anime
Who you gonna call? (boob-busters)
If there's something popping
And it looks too lewd
Who you gonna call? (boob-busters)

I ain't afraid of no OPPAI
I ain't afraid of no OPPAI

code said:
Why are people so interested in cartoon tits?

TibetanJazz666 said:
It's just in really poor taste and shows the kind of demographic they're going for.

I don't have any problem with fanservice if it's tasteful and not the focus of the scene, but you've got anime like Eromanga Sensei where literally every shot of the main girl by herself is at a pervy angle. That kind of stuff is absolutely trashy and is proof the anime has little else going for it so it's trying to garner an audience by saying "look, we've got hot girls! watch this!" Making the female character's boobs stupidly large and exposed is a part of this, especially when it adds nothing worthwhile to the character.

Manaban said:

Eh, idk. Tastefulness is pretty relative, for one, and for two I don't really think it needs to be tasteful to be sexy or funny or enthralling, etc etc. I'm not exactly a proponent of this tastefulness thing or the idea that it should be mature and refined, it's fuckin' ecchi, I kind of think it might actively be worse if took a different approach to it more in-line with these values and reduce a lot of the appeal it currently has in order for these kinds of products to appeal to people who don't actually want these sorts of things to begin with, they want something else kind of removed from it.

Like, I'll never forget it, but if this is what people mean when they want tasteful sex appeal, then count me out and give me the bombastic, unashamed, "immature" approach of something like TLR ten times out of ten instead :P

Also, hey, nothing wrong with going for a certain demographic of fans who want a certain type of content. Just as much of a fan as anybody else, regardless of how you see what I'm a fan of, and having works that appeal to me in this sense is pretty goddamn nice.

TibetanJazz666 said:
I don't believe there's anything like "broadening the appeal", by adding elements you alienate and include different groups of people (maybe not in directly proportional ways). Explicit and unnecessary ecchi alienates me, (1)because it's a sign of how much they're willing to dumb down whatever they're making for the sake of attention. It shows the attitude a studio has and at the end of the day, above all, having random boobs jiggling for no good reason in the middle of anything is not my thing. (2)If that's what you want then watch something with the ecchi tag or just some god damn porn haha.

Hakaminah said:
Because flat is justice, duh.

But yeah, there are many anime girls with too big size and it can be quite disturbing actually (if done wrong), like this for example

ecchiharemgeek said:


Why does every have a hate boner for best girl

Tennouji said:


Here you go, OP. This completely sums it up.

Manaban said:


(1)Not really. People can actually want these scenes and shots to be a part of their creation and such, it isn't just some inherent attention-whoring or anything of that nature and it's kind of incredibly presumptive and neglectful to the simple fact that, yes, there are people who want to create and draw sexy things and that they can do so in a work without it being the main thing. Simply treating it as attention-whoring or a lack of creative integrity is, well, neglectful to that simple fact and it's kind of being incredibly presumptive. The reason they don't do so in entirely ecchi-oriented works is, well, maybe they just don't want their creation to be as much and instead would rather it be something else and they just pop that in there a bit all the same.

Sure, probability would dictate that there's been cases where it's been used as a crutch and in this cynical fashion people so often ascribe to it on an inherent level like this, but that's...really, really reductive to why it might exist and just seems to be jumping towards the most negative possible conclusion as opposed to being able to look at the whole spectrum and try to find where a specific work lies on that. Never liked that much.

(2)The other thing is that containing it to ecchi is never going to happen because ecchi itself operates alongside those same parameters of including it on top of existing works and the line between "ecchi anime" and "anime with fanservice" isn't so much how they approach it, but rather how much they prioritize it in the work in question. It's not a genre, it's a content tag that is meant to display and communicate the idea that it features these things prominently and little else.

Like, I'm sorry, I understand that you may not like seeing it outside of the tag, but there's nothing that can be done about that without compromising what creators are allowed to put in their work or simply removing the fanservice aspect of it and making it more rooted in a thematic, more closed-off since, which is flipping it into a different kind of series entirely in of itself that doesn't emphasize the sort of sexualization of characters that it displays through the base that it's going on top of, but instead makes it an integral element that everything actually is revolving around, i.e. no longer fanservice ecchi but just straight flipping the approach that people like about these things on its head to be something else entirely. It's the way it functions, at the end of the day the vast majority of ecchi-oriented works are still just fanservice, it just emphasizes its place as a fanservice oriented work much more than others. People have argued for this idea of segregating it to ecchi series pretty much exclusively but whenever I've tried to explain that it isn't so simple and won't really work like that, same stuff I've said here more or less, they just get irritated or something and try to make strange appeals to consensus like "well most people want it like that" even though that's irrelevant to the issue at hand and why it isn't really able to function like so, so please don't do that.

TibetanJazz666 said:
1) Yes exactly, and if they do it in a fashion that is "tasteful" then they can go for it. My main point here is that to include something for the sake of including something rather than doing it with good reason is pretty stupid and self indulgent to the point of unlike-ability. Lets be honest here, you can talk all you like about artistic integrity but the fact of the matter is that the vast, vast majority of ecchi is there to please a fanbase who are in it for the two large "plots". If you can name some exceptions then go ahead, but that's all they are - exceptions - and even then they'd be better and taken more seriously if they didn't include these elements. The only exception I can think off the top of my head is Kill la Kill, where the nudity actually is a bit part of the themes and plot in which case it's okay, however even there there are certain scenes which really push it. As I said, I'm not against nudity in anime completely or even no fanservice, but for the love of god it's pretty obvious to everyone by now that it's just being abused as a "creative tool".

TibetanJazz666 said:
but for the love of god it's pretty obvious to everyone by now that it's just being abused as a "creative tool".

ecchiharemgeek said:


Why does every have a hate boner for best girl

Manaban said:

If you're opting to interpret the concept of artistic integrity and freedom of expression as being anything more than "just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't automatically mean it shouldn't be included" then you're ascribing an idea to me that I just can't uphold. I'm saying that you should make better arguments against the inclusion of these elements other than just tastefulness or how comfortable it makes you if you want it to be eradicated outside of a certain sect of programming because it comes across as incredibly arrogant to think that your personal feelings should dictate what is or isn't allowed to be displayed.

Also, a point I think you're missing out on is that simply because it's tied into an overarching narrative about said theme doesn't suddenly mean that it's only existing to please an audience. Things aren't so black and white to where either "it's tied into a narrative and deals with it as a theme" or "it's trying to cash into an audience." Again, this was a major point I was trying to communicate - there are people who like these things the way they are and wish to create them themselves. Having a vision of how something should be and creating it like so is still having integrity, and just because it's used as a form of fanservice in execution doesn't necessarily mean that it's being used to cash-in on an audience and little else. That's just ascribing a degree of cynicism to how people can create a type of work that you can't get into, and seemingly don't understand, as funny as that sounds in terms of pretentiousness since there's not really much *to* get. If you've paid attention to ecchi series, you'd generally be able to see the formula they use - take this character, give them a personality and showcase that, and sexualize them. Sometimes there's different settings and different plots, but those are almost rarely used outside of supplementing this aspect instead of the inverse that you seem to be pushing for with the KLK type thing. It's the same sort of thing as reading a swimsuit mag or something, but instead of having this long, boring interview off to the side of the pictures it's being put into animation and demonstrating these things in co-existence with one another. It's literally just context-oriented sexualization of characters. And what I'm arguing against there is the idea that people only create these things to capitalize on an audience, obviously the audience is taken into consideration to some degree but I fail to see how that's a problem with anything nor exclusive to ecchi series in the slightest, and treating it as if that's the only thing being taken into consideration is kind of asinine. There are people who wish to draw and make sexy things. That is not rare, it isn't even uncommon. If you reduce this kind of cycle to "either it doesn't use this formula and uses it as a theme or it is cheap pandering that's just made to exploit a low-tier audience" that you're kind of implying here then the fault lies on your own sense of being reductive and narrowing things down to something that you wish to see and think rather than taking the whole playing field into any kind of consideration.

And no, it isn't obvious to me that it's being abused as a "creative tool" whenever the arguments people convinced of as much tend to function in the way that you're doing so here, it's literally just seeing and then projecting creative intent since you can't fathom the idea that anybody would actually want to make and create these types of series in earnest - I've said it before, when you look at the details of the drawings and all of the ways they push fanservice and try to elude censorship problems in Japan in the TLR manga, and when they responded by only turning these elements up and pushing the envelope further after the BPO tried to hit his series and remove it from shelves in Tokyo, I'm convinced that somebody like Yabuki Kentarou is as dedicated to his craft as somebody like Yuasa Masaki is, just the latter is easier to accept for people who have a pre-established idea of how something can and should be created with a sense of drive and passion to it. That's all it sounds like to me, and I know it doesn't sound nice, but I don't really have any evidence to the contrary and the way you're approaching this as being completely black and white in terms of why people create stuff is only kind of reinforcing the existing issues with this sentiment on a whole - especially when you casually toss in Argumentum ad populum fallacies like this to try to support your claim here:

EcchiGodMamsterP said:
@TibetanJazz666

adding something for the sake of adding it is called freedom of expression

that is the power of fiction, you can do w/e the fuck you want with it... saying "this should never be done this way" even when its not fucking real is pretty much destroying the only means we have to make something the way we want it

some people just like random sexy shots, for some people the idea of "daring" to throw something sexy in random is more enticing than seeing it somewhere where its expected


and going against "societal norms" is how you make something creative or different or even inspire others, which is part of the reason people find anime so unique, especially westerners


idk why there has to be a double standard when its something sexual or perverted, but this idea that sexy is somehow "cheap" is so fucking stupid... when its our human nature to want to see that stuff, theres no reason to look at that as shameful, the only reason we do is because some idiots in the past decided it was bad and poisoned future generations with that mentality

TibetanJazz666 said:
You too seem to be giving businesses too much credit.

Stop thinking that artists are the people who control what gets published, especially in anime. That kind of thinking will only set you up for disappointment.

Sexuality is cheap in the sense that it's an easy way to garner audiences. It's not inherently wrong or anything but I personally don't like it when something completely unrelated is taking up the majority of the screen half of the time, and I start thinking especially cynical thoughts in this case because of just how easily sexuality increases audience in anime.

lazypigz said:

i also don't understand are when people get triggered by tiddies that are just a tad bigger

EcchiGodMamsterP said:


what is wrong with using human nature/instinct to gain an audience? that is done all the time and everywhere, why is it all of a sudden a bad thing to people when its sexual especially, perverted?

TibetanJazz666 said:
B

Because it's completely unrelated to whatever is going on. It's not essential or artistic, it's just a lazy add-on which holds no relevant weight and is only there in an attempt to dilute whatever the point of the show it for the purpose of making more money. (Depends on the series of course but I'm talking about a standard anime which doesn't have ecchi as one of it's genres or the subject matter has nothing to do with this, etc.)