| Yeah there's some unnecessary melodrama here and there, well that's be to expected from Yuri. But to be fair, still Citrus manages to make it interesting. Not to mention that literally 90% of the complaints are about an unimportant subject that is muh sexual assault |
AbusaeedMar 26, 2018 12:49 AM
| It does. The art and animation are subpar, and the plot is way too melodramatic. It also over-uses convenient chance encounters all the time. |
FFS you are watching a Yuri anime |
Yuri doen't need to be melodramatic. All it needs to do is be steamy fun for the watchers. |
CondemneDio said: It does. The art and animation are subpar, and the plot is way too melodramatic. It also over-uses convenient chance encounters all the time. Citrus felt weak with poor characters and mediocre plot that got worse overtime. Started to watch just for the memes and liked it in the beginning, but somehow it just turned out to be trash tbh. |
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Abusaeed said: Yeah there's some unnecessary melodrama here and there More like the unnecessary melodrama is like everywhere in that anime. |
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| It's so bad that it hurts. I haven't watched the rest of it (I will soon) but damn was I let down really hard. I bit when people were saying that it's the best Yuri manga they've read, which is honestly below average. The story and circumstances literally came out from one of those cheap cellphone novels. Honestly can't find anything good about it. >sisters >daughter of a president of a school >more circumstances that makes it even more stupid I don't really mind those unless they're actually done properly, which they aren't; lol. Just as worse as Netsuzou TRap but with good animation this time. |
You know what the most Ironic thing is with this statement? You admit all its faults that people are giving it negative ratings for but have to justify it with a Genre type :.D . I felt it was decent the last episode ended better than I thought it would and might have to change it from a 6 to a 7. I do have to say with all the hype everyone gave it, it was very overrated by the manga community. |
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| The melodrama is not the issue. I like melodrama. I don't like it because it's icky as hell. The romance feels forced. It feels like it was made to appeal to the male gaze. |
QcK_Dagger_HeaT said: You know what the most Ironic thing is with this statement? You admit all its faults that people are giving it negative ratings for but have to justify it with a Genre type :.D . I mean it's like people rating SoL shows low with the excuse that "Nothing big happens in this show at all!" |
steponmeazula said: The melodrama is not the issue. I like melodrama. I don't like it because it's icky as hell. The romance feels forced. It feels like it was made to appeal to the male gaze. It's because generally Yuri is targeted towards Straight males just like Yaoi is targeted towards Straight females. Not that there is anything wrong with it. |
| Update: after episode 10 it deserves all the negative votes even more. The plot is literal shit. |
CondemneDio said: Yuri doen't need to be melodramatic. All it needs to do is be steamy fun for the watchers. Melodrama is the core of Yuri as a genre though. |
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Abusaeed said: steponmeazula said: The melodrama is not the issue. I like melodrama. I don't like it because it's icky as hell. The romance feels forced. It feels like it was made to appeal to the male gaze. It's because generally Yuri is targeted towards Straight males just like Yaoi is targeted towards Straight females. Not that there is anything wrong with it. Wrong. Yuri originally, was created towards a female demographic just like yaoi. |
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Energetic-Nova said: CondemneDio said: Yuri doen't need to be melodramatic. All it needs to do is be steamy fun for the watchers. Melodrama is the core of Yuri as a genre though. And if it is, then 1) it should change or 2) not all of them should have melodrama. |
CondemneDio said: And if it is, then 1) it should change or 2) not all of them should have melodrama. There is nothing objectively wrong with romance/yuri shows being melodramatic. What you're saying is basically the equivalent of complaining about violence in your average battle shounen. |
Abusaeed said: CondemneDio said: And if it is, then 1) it should change or 2) not all of them should have melodrama. There is nothing objectively wrong with romance/yuri shows being melodramatic. What you're saying is basically the equivalent of complaining about violence in your average battle shounen. False equilevancy. Battle shounen -> battle = violence Yuri -> sex/romance between girls = romance romance =/= melodrama |
CondemneDio said: Abusaeed said: There is nothing objectively wrong with romance/yuri shows being melodramatic. What you're saying is basically the equivalent of complaining about violence in your average battle shounen. False equilevancy. Battle shounen -> battle = violence Yuri -> sex/romance between girls = romance romance =/= melodrama But relationships are inherently dramatic |
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Energetic-Nova said: CondemneDio said: False equilevancy. Battle shounen -> battle = violence Yuri -> sex/romance between girls = romance romance =/= melodrama But relationships are inherently dramatic Not necessarily. The right amount of it makes a relationship realistic, plausible, whatever you like to call it. The amount this show has is through the roof, and makes the show far worse. |
CondemneDio said: Not necessarily. The right amount of it makes a relationship realistic, plausible, whatever you like to call it. The amount this show has is through the roof, and makes the show far worse. Go watch Oniisama e. Then you will know my drama threshold. |
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Energetic-Nova said: CondemneDio said: Not necessarily. The right amount of it makes a relationship realistic, plausible, whatever you like to call it. The amount this show has is through the roof, and makes the show far worse. Go watch Oniisama e. Then you will know my drama threshold. I take it that it has far more, so I'll pass :D |
CondemneDio said: Not necessarily. The right amount of it makes a relationship realistic, plausible, whatever you like to call it. The amount this show has is through the roof, and makes the show far worse. I agree with Condemne if a show always stuck to its genre "cliches" per se than we wouldn't have masterpieces such as Madoka Magica. Also Drama and Melodrama are not the same thing and building an argument around melodrama and drama being the same thing is ignorance. The staple of Yuri shows is drama, not melodrama. If you don't know and can't understand the difference heres a link. https://www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/drama-vs-melodrama-can-you-tell/ Romance animes have to have drama to advance a plot which is a good thing. However, when it's overly dramatic that the original plot point becomes overshadowed and or lost by the drama this is not a good thing. Also when you have drama for the sake of drama and not to advance plot this is also bad. |
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CondemneDio said: I take it that it has far more, so I'll pass :D Well it is a shojo. Lol. And when we do incest, it is never this fake stepsibling thing. |
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QcK_Dagger_HeaT said: All original Yuri were melodrama not drama. And I doubt that citrus is melodrama. Madoka Magica is pretty bad .CondemneDio said: Not necessarily. The right amount of it makes a relationship realistic, plausible, whatever you like to call it. The amount this show has is through the roof, and makes the show far worse. I agree with Condemne if a show always stuck to its genre "cliches" per se than we wouldn't have masterpieces such as Madoka Magica. Also Drama and Melodrama are not the same thing and building an argument around melodrama and drama being the same thing is ignorance. The staple of Yuri shows is drama, not melodrama. If you don't know and can't understand the difference heres a link. https://www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/drama-vs-melodrama-can-you-tell/ Romance animes have to have drama to advance a plot which is a good thing. Have however when its overly dramatic that the original plot point becomes overshadowed by the drama this is not a good thing. |
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Energetic-Nova said: QcK_Dagger_HeaT said: All original Yuri were melodrama not drama. And I doubt that citrus is melodrama. Madoka Magica is pretty bad .I agree with Condemne if a show always stuck to its genre "cliches" per se than we wouldn't have masterpieces such as Madoka Magica. Also Drama and Melodrama are not the same thing and building an argument around melodrama and drama being the same thing is ignorance. The staple of Yuri shows is drama, not melodrama. If you don't know and can't understand the difference heres a link. https://www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/drama-vs-melodrama-can-you-tell/ Romance animes have to have drama to advance a plot which is a good thing. Have however when its overly dramatic that the original plot point becomes overshadowed by the drama this is not a good thing. FOR REAL both those statements are blaspheme. A. Madoka makes this anime look like Trash if comparing side by side. Japan ranked it #3 as the best anime of all time. This can't even hold an average rating of 7 :.D. Second, no one can sit here with a straight face and argue that Citrus is not melodrama. From that article "The last thing an author wants is for his work to be labeled melodramatic—because it means his story has stepped over the bounds of realistic conflict and tension into the realm of the sensationalized and overwrought." Let's examine an example. Each time the plot comes to a standstill and or one plot point finalizes in this anime the author writes in a new character that falls in love with one of the two MC's. This happens Three! times in twelve episodes now that's just an overused tactic. One thing I can give the author props for is Matsuri and Himeko were well written and they had history and backstory with the MC's so I can pardon those. Then we have Sara who is a random character who just magically falls in love in their first sudden encounter and doesn't even give a good reason originally for being head over heels in love other than love at first sight. I mean come on no melodrama here obviously LOL. Look if you like melodrama I can't knock you for your preferences because that's an opinion. However, you also can't refute facts like there is melodrama here to justify your bias. You could also at least acknowledge others opinions for why they give something a negative rating without being in denial about it. Don't be a fanboy ;) . That is why this anime is rated so negatively though going back to the original topic. |
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QcK_Dagger_HeaT said: Energetic-Nova said: All original Yuri were melodrama not drama. And I doubt that citrus is melodrama. Madoka Magica is pretty bad . FOR REAL both those statements are blaspheme. A. Madoka makes this anime look like Trash if comparing side by side. Japan ranked it #3 as the best anime of all time. This can't even hold an average rating of 7 :.D. Second, no one can sit here with a straight face and argue that Citrus is not melodrama. From that article "The last thing an author wants is for his work to be labeled melodramatic—because it means his story has stepped over the bounds of realistic conflict and tension into the realm of the sensationalized and overwrought." Let's examine an example. Each time the plot comes to a standstill and or one plot point finalizes in this anime the author writes in a new character that falls in love with one of the two MC's. This happens Three! times in twelve episodes now that's just an overused tactic. One thing I can give the author props for is Matsuri and Himeko were well written and they had history and backstory with the MC's so I can pardon those. Then we have Sara who is a random character who just magically falls in love in their first sudden encounter and doesn't even give a good reason originally for being head over heels in love other than love at first sight. I mean come on no melodrama here obviously LOL. Look if you like melodrama I can't knock you for your preferences because that's an opinion. However, you also can't refute facts like there is melodrama here to justify your bias. You could also at least acknowledge others opinions for why they give something a negative rating without being in denial about it. Don't be a fanboy ;) . That is why this anime is rated so negatively though going back to the original topic. 1. I haven't seen Citrus. 2. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a fantastic Melodrama. "a sensational dramatic piece with exaggerated characters and exciting events intended to appeal to the emotions." http://www.filmsite.org/melodramafilms.html "Melodrama Films are a sub-type of drama films, characterized by a plot to appeal to the heightened emotions of the audience. Melodrama, a combination of drama and melos (music), literally means "play with music." The themes of dramas, the oldest literary and stage art form, were exaggerated within melodramas, and the liberal use of music often enhanced their emotional plots. Often, film studies criticism used the term 'melodrama' pejoratively to connote an unrealistic, pathos-filled, campy tale of romance or domestic situations with stereotypical characters (often including a central female character) that would directly appeal to feminine audiences. The sub-genre is typically looked down upon by critics and elitists." "Melodramatic plots with heart-tugging (literally tear-jerking), emotional plots (requiring multiple hankies) usually emphasize sensational situations or crises of human emotion, failed romance or friendship, strained familial situations, tragedy, illness, loss (the death of a child or spouse), neuroses, or emotional and physical hardships within everyday life. Victims, couples, virtuous and heroic characters or suffering protagonists (usually heroines) in melodramas are presented with tremendous social pressures, threats, repression, fears, improbable events or difficulties with friends, community, work, lovers, or family. The melodramatic format allows the character(s) to work through their difficulties or surmount the problems with resolute endurance, sacrificial acts, and steadfast bravery." There are good ones and bad ones. It is hard to get the balance right. Another example of a Melodrama is Rose of Versailles. |
Energetic-NovaMar 27, 2018 1:02 PM
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Energetic-Nova said: QcK_Dagger_HeaT said: FOR REAL both those statements are blaspheme. A. Madoka makes this anime look like Trash if comparing side by side. Japan ranked it #3 as the best anime of all time. This can't even hold an average rating of 7 :.D. Second, no one can sit here with a straight face and argue that Citrus is not melodrama. From that article "The last thing an author wants is for his work to be labeled melodramatic—because it means his story has stepped over the bounds of realistic conflict and tension into the realm of the sensationalized and overwrought." Let's examine an example. Each time the plot comes to a standstill and or one plot point finalizes in this anime the author writes in a new character that falls in love with one of the two MC's. This happens Three! times in twelve episodes now that's just an overused tactic. One thing I can give the author props for is Matsuri and Himeko were well written and they had history and backstory with the MC's so I can pardon those. Then we have Sara who is a random character who just magically falls in love in their first sudden encounter and doesn't even give a good reason originally for being head over heels in love other than love at first sight. I mean come on no melodrama here obviously LOL. Look if you like melodrama I can't knock you for your preferences because that's an opinion. However, you also can't refute facts like there is melodrama here to justify your bias. You could also at least acknowledge others opinions for why they give something a negative rating without being in denial about it. Don't be a fanboy ;) . That is why this anime is rated so negatively though going back to the original topic. 1. I haven't seen Citrus. 2. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a fantastic Melodrama. "a sensational dramatic piece with exaggerated characters and exciting events intended to appeal to the emotions." http://www.filmsite.org/melodramafilms.html "Melodrama Films are a sub-type of drama films, characterized by a plot to appeal to the heightened emotions of the audience. Melodrama, a combination of drama and melos (music), literally means "play with music." The themes of dramas, the oldest literary and stage art form, were exaggerated within melodramas, and the liberal use of music often enhanced their emotional plots. Often, film studies criticism used the term 'melodrama' pejoratively to connote an unrealistic, pathos-filled, campy tale of romance or domestic situations with stereotypical characters (often including a central female character) that would directly appeal to feminine audiences. The sub-genre is typically looked down upon by critics and elitists." "Melodramatic plots with heart-tugging (literally tear-jerking), emotional plots (requiring multiple hankies) usually emphasize sensational situations or crises of human emotion, failed romance or friendship, strained familial situations, tragedy, illness, loss (the death of a child or spouse), neuroses, or emotional and physical hardships within everyday life. Victims, couples, virtuous and heroic characters or suffering protagonists (usually heroines) in melodramas are presented with tremendous social pressures, threats, repression, fears, improbable events or difficulties with friends, community, work, lovers, or family. The melodramatic format allows the character(s) to work through their difficulties or surmount the problems with resolute endurance, sacrificial acts, and steadfast bravery." There are good ones and bad ones. It is hard to get the balance right. Another example of a Melodrama is Rose of Versailles. You are right and wrong at the same time. Your use and my use of melodrama are different uses the same as a word having two different definitions. In early film music dramas were called Melodramas it was a genre type just like action. However as time passed the word has evolved in the english language thanks mainly to the acedamiea world. "It is also a problem that definitions of melodrama within the film industry have changed over time so that in some ways, melodrama now means the opposite to what it once meant" https://itpworld.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/what-is-melodrama/ Old school melodramas pretty much fit into the classification of musicals today although not all do. Also, modern films such as Chicago fit into the old category of Melodrama and were well done. You were right on the origin of the word as well as Greek play defined the Musical drama as Melodrama. However, almost all the films that were classified as Melodramas do not have the modern definition of Melodrama in them. Even http://www.dictionary.com/browse/melodrama recognizes both definitions in the English Language see Def. 1 & 3. While there are good and bad movies in the Melodrama category. If a form of art contains Melodrama it is often disliked by a mass majority of an audience because it can make the characters hard to identify with and create other issues of detachment as well. |
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| was a fun watch idk where all the hate comes from and what sort of high expecations people have of a yuri anime lol |
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| Its by no means the worst show, but the overabundance of smut really brought it down. 6/10 for me. |
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| Even if you don't like Yuri it's at least as good as any 7+ rated slice of life, so there's clearly shenanigans going on. Can't help that. But if we ignore the SJWs and self-hating fujoshi in the West, we can see the anime has been massively popular in Japan and Google data shows a massive spike in season 2 interest towards the end of the series: https://www.inquisitr.com/4832670/citrus-season-2-release-date-citrus-anime-spoilers-yuzu-mei-yuri-citrus-manga-saburouta/ Let em hate, it's not going anywhere :P |
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MyWayHighWay said: I can pretty much guarantee that most of the lower scores are only because of having some non-consensual sexual encounters that are NOT played for straight up eroticism or comedy but instead as they are, uncomfortable or confusing. And yet that is exactly a bad reason to down vote, because this stuff is context and character sensitive. Yeah I can see a large number people gave this show 1/10 just because of the first episode |
| Let them hate it all they want, Its not like their opinion is the only possible one. I just hope that it will sell well in Japan |
| I pretty much dropped it after ep 2 or 3 but decided yesterday to give it a go again . Despite a bit of forced romance/ unsolicited sexual acts which I genuinely think are only for sensational purposes, also coz perhaps the genre deems it, most of the other acts and sequences are quite genuine imo and push the narrative at a reasonable pace.(Don't think till now there's any unnecessarily overly dramatic scene) Currently at ep 6 where the 'daddy issue' conflict in their romance has just seemingly resolved/satisfyingly dealt with for the moment atleast. The plot till now is fairly simple but again what matters to me is the execution. And it has been quite promising to me till now.A new pink haired character has just appeared so we have another variable now after Momokino so I hope the 2nd half adds more so to the narrative. |
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Based said: But 6.98 is basically a 7/10. Nothing really wrong with that 🤔 I meant the top rated reviews |
Lunafleurette said: People can have opinions I'm just saying theirs is wrong in this particular case |
Abusaeed said: Lunafleurette said: People can have opinions I'm just saying theirs is wrong in this particular case Who are you to decide that an o p i n i o n is wrong? |
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| I couldn't get through more than one episode and I generally am okay watching garbage. |
| He's the opinion police. You should respect his authority. |
code said: He's the opinion police. You should respect his authority. Seems legit, oh my god I'm so sorry all our opinions are wrong in the face of OP's let's all bow down to it now. |
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Based said: Ah, should've just said that. Well, those reviewers gave their overall thoughts on the series. I mean, people are entitled to their opinions right? In the face of the opinion police, our opinions are null and void, can't you tell? |
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